how many of you were sexually abused as children?
>>35542081Not me, I wasn't groped until I was 15
>>35542081a girl grabbed my ass when I was 13, and a guy catcalled me at 15, but other than that no nothing.
>>35542081i think the fact that it's most but not all kinda begs the question of whether the issue is being approached backwardsmaybe it's not assaults causing false dysphoria, but dysphoric little weirdo kids getting flagged by abusers as easier targets (in the same way gay and autistic kids get targeted more)
>>35542081i got raped by my foster brother when i was 13 for a few months
>>35542081I was sexuall assaulted when I was 10 but it was because I was targeted due to my feminine appearance / mannerisms and lack of ability to fight back. The boy who did it later raped a child as an adult.
>>35542081Why do smoothbrains on tumblr or reddit or wherever you're from always assume that correlation and causation are the same thing?
>>35542103>dysphoric little weirdo kids getting flagged by abusers as easier targetsthis is what i thought, too.if you have a normal heterosexual development, being abused once shouldn't cause homosexuality, rather a greater aversion to homosexuality.
Obligatory >correlation is not always proof of causationUntil you provide a psychological mechanism that explains both how sexually abused boys become attracted to men and how some men who were sexually abused come out straight, and also some data for this, then we'll have to abstain from assumptions that you absolutely want to push.
>>35542113were you already gay/transgender before that abuse taking place?
>>35542117were you already gay before the assault?
>>35542128i'm not assuming that. i'm just wondering in how far it may be a causation.
>>35542156I was definetly effeminate, but it was pre-sexual. I am bisexual today. I was reading twilight at the time and I think I felt something towards the romantic fantasy at the time, best I've got for you in terms of it already being there.
>>35542136i can personally vouch for this actually. was abused from 4-5 and like, despite being v into men was always too scared to date them, then when i was trying to rep fear of becoming more of a sexual assault target was like one of the ways i maintained reppingliterally did the opposite of turning me gay and trans lol
>>35542081I wasn't. When I came out to my mother, she instantly jumped to the conclusion my dad must have though. I assume she just wanted it to be real so she had a socially acceptable excuse to divorce him.I told her she was stupid for jumping to that conclusion - she is still married to him despite constantly complaining and putting him down like she clearly hates him
>>35542081no, no physical abuse either. after i knew i was a tranny i got psychologically brutalized by a pooner for a short while but that's it, really. i don't know why i'm like this, really. since i was a boy something just felt off then it clicked when puberty started to accelerate. ended up transitioning at 18 after two years of repping in pure agony
>>35542148yea i was only into guys like all the crushes id had had been on guys. had no idea how sex would work between guys and had never seen porn at that time though. i wouldnt call myself trans though even if im on hrt for almost 3 years since i dont really want to be a girl just the thought of balding and getting hairy at 5'6 made me want to kms.
>>35542146the psychological mechanism would be that people eroticize the gender that they don't identify with. sexual abuse may cause gender-based shame and social isolation/fear of other men, which causes lack of secure gender identification and thereby homosexual attraction.
>>35542081got sexually assaulted and harrased before I was 16, purely androphilic
>>35542224although i was physically abused as a kid from like 6-10 by my dad so that could be a reason for me liking guys i think thats a common correlation as well.
>>35542081when i was 12 i did some 'stuff' with a friend who was my age tho + it was entirely my own idea to putt stuff in my butt, not hisi don't think that was abuse or anything tho, i'm just a natural fag ^^
>>35542213yes, weak or hostile father figure is a way greater influence on the development homosexuality.
>>35542259were you already gay before the assault?
>>35542081i got raped by a girl but i still ended up as a fag
>>35542289I had a strong father figure and still turned out gay
>>35542289true desu, I made a post about my family dynamic over here: >>35542382
>>35542081i wasn't as far as i can tell but i was definitely oversexual as a preteen.
>>35542377how would you describe your relationship with your father?did you perceive him as hostile or disinterested? did he make you feel appreciated?
>>35542446Not at all, he was quite involved in my life. Went to my games, we did things together often
>>35542128Girl, until recently "female souls" was considered adequate causation for trannies.
>>35542410are you familiar with the work of Joseph Nicolosi? his book "shame and attachment loss" on the psychodynamics of homosexuality describes the exact same family dynamic.i had the same family dynamic and it disturbed my gender identity development enough to cause same sex attraction.
>>35542537trannies not beating the self hating gays allegations
>>35542289I have the strongest father ever and he loves his gay son
>>35542551i'm not a tranny
>>35542485how was your relationship with male peers in childhood? did you often feel alienated from other boys? did you struggle to make male friends?
>>35542601Not until after puberty, after i realized I was gay
I was sexually abused by my best friend when i was 6 (they were also 6) at the time it was voluntary but as time went on and i learned that being gay was "bad" i became so ashamed of myself and that lasted for years and it wasn't until recently came to terms with it, a therapist told me once that he might have done it because he was sexually abused by someone else and that made me not hate him as much
>>35542081Was sexually abused as a child by an “uncle”. I dont think it turned me into a fag though simce I was wearing my moms clothes and stealing her makeup and stuff before i got raped.
>>35542633>was wearing my moms clothes and stealing her makeup and stuffthat's probably why he raped you
>>35542537>describes the exact same family dynamic.damn, am I a stereotype? Though I'm a bi, leaning straight trans woman
>>35542081>becamePutting the cart before the horse i see
>>35542649Tbh probably. From the studies Ive seen predators seem to go after queer kids since they are deemed more vulnerable. I was easy pickings ig
>>35542308yeah? I never had any attraction to girls ever and I was developing/developed attraction to males around that time
>>35542521it was revealed to me in a vision from god that I am actually a woman
>>35542206Some people become very attracted to recreating the abuse
>>35542081>>35542685I can't remember ever being sexually abused as a kid but I was a little pervert myself. I was in special needs class for a few years and there was this other kid in my class who I used to make piss himself during lunch hour cause it gave me a boner and I thought we were just playing, we were like 10 and I didn't even know there were words for this stuff, it wasn't til I was older I was like oh jesus I was a horny sociopath as a kid. I used to steal girls' clothes to try on in private & bury outside when I didn't know how to sneak them back & there was this one girl in my class I felt up too just because I was curious what it was like. I had no idea anything I was doing was wrong at the time. Used to kill insects for fun and stuff too. The first thing I remember jerking off to was footage of car/train/plane crashes. I totally changed as soon as I developed enough mentally to have an internal monologue + learned that other living things have interior experiences like my own and spent my teens doing the "am I an evil monster -> free will means I am capable of doing both bad and good things like everyone else" gauntlet lots of teens run & now as an adult nearing 30 I'm a totally decent person but yeah idk what to do with the information I was a scary piece of shit as a kid that might have ended up doing some dark shit if I'd stayed a couple of rachets lower on the emotional intelligence scale. Still very kinky as an adult. My dad is very abusive but not sexually afaik. Idk where the hell I got it from. I didn't see porn at a young age or anything like that either.
>>35542685>The first thing I remember jerking off to was footage of car/train/plane crashes...
>>35542706I too was a scary piece of shit as a kid, promoting other guys to fuck others, in the end i was the one who got fucked against my will multiple times. Im such an idiot
>>35542654>am I a stereotype?yes>a bi, leaning straight trans womanso you're a male mostly attracted to men? this kind of language confuses me
>>35542706>jerking off to was footage of car/train/plane crashes.how??
>>35542081Cis M Bi, I was ugly as fuck until I was ~16 and never got touched, somehow neither did all the other fags and trannies in my small town AFAIK
>>35542782>so you're a male mostly attracted to men? this kind of language confuses meMtF means born male, yes.I am not confident that my experiences line up with the average gay boy though, since they don't experience gender dysphoria
>>35542788Early Youtube before it had age restrictions
>>35542871>since they don't experience gender dysphoriatransgenderism and homosexuality are developmentally linked. all transgenders (apart from some AGP types) are homosexuals.same sex attraction implies gender identity disorder. gender dysphoria is also an expression of more intense gender identity disorder.
Not me, I wasn't cute enough for anyone to molest
>>35542213I hate women so much it's unreal
>>35542081I was, but I think correlation does not necessarily imply causation, my being gay had very little do with my being abused, in fact my abuse was the reason I insisted I was straight for as long as I did, because to me being gay was shameful and reminded me of being abused. I have been sexually mistreated for being perceived as gay though, so I think its more likely that gender nonconforming and pregay faggy children are targeted for abuse due to factors such as having less friends or familial acceptance, or for having families where talking about abuse that happened to be homosexual would be taboo and reflect poorly on the survivor due to homophobia.
>>35542081>43% of gay males reported sexual activity with another male>9% of straight males reported sexual activity with another maleSTRAIGHT DUDES HAVE LESS GAY SEX THAN GAY DUDES!?NO SHIT!!!
i>>35542962>same sex attraction implies gender identity disorder.nah I really don't think so. Maybe in bottoms, because they're basically just trans women in mindset (just minus the treatment via hrt), but I really don't think your average top is mentally similar to me. I wonder if there's been studies into that difference between those who prefer to be tops vs bottoms
>>35542081>get groomed by fat old white "straight" men jerking off their tiny dicks to me/my feet on skype when im 12>upperclassmen girl grabbed my ass at 13>random girl ran up to me, told me not to punch her, and forcefully kissed me as i pulled away when i was 14>got molested by a boy when i was 16 in front of the whole class, nobody did anything and the teacher wasnt in the room to stop it>got beaten up by my weird homoerotic bully everyday, he would regularly put his hand on my thigh and creep it inward to touch my dick>gf kept trying to have sex with me even though i kept saying no when i was 17>the trope of repressed homosexual "straight" men trying to molest me continues on multiple times past 18Ik none of that is "childhood" but fuck you i wanted to vent a little. I am also intensely afraid of my dad and think he might have molested me when i was 6 (he did weird things like touch my butt as a child and made me strangely uncomfortable around him) but he denies it completely and i have no memory of it. Also had crazy strong intrusive thoughts of having sex with him. "6" because im arrested development as fuck and thats the mental age a lot of people say i am. Anyways i am literally just rapebait. Its sad but im drunk and its not as sad as other peoples stories so i dont really care beyond it happening to me lol
>>35542081Not me. I had a fairly happy childhood. I got my first bf at 13, he's from the same grade, he's the bottom.Also, lol at how they use papers from the 70s and 80s to prove their point, but they dismiss any positive research about LGBT that's older than like 10y because it's too outdated, inaccurate, and "many things have changed since then".
>>35542081I mean, my first step-dad was a massive pedo faggot who liked little boys. So there's that.
>>35544423I'm so sorry, anonI wish I could protect you from all of that. Make sure you find somebody nice who will not take advantage of you
>>35542081Nobody ever abused me, physically, emotionally or sexuallyi still turned out to be a schizoid repper tranny thing though
>>35544601must have happened in a past life.
>>35544607yeah, the only explanation i have for why i turned out to like this is that i was a high ranking nazi in a past life
>>35542081who cares about the reason for it? we've seen it's not a fixable thing, so we should accommodate these people instead of hating them if they're victims, and as the world moves in a better direction we'll see less of them. I don't think that's an issue.
>>35542081Nope. Hell I haven't had any sexual experiences yet now, at age 20.
>>35544291gender identity disorder is a necessity for same sex attraction because the internal logic of sexual desire dictates that we are attracted to the gender that we do not identify with.
>>35542081I was sexually abused in the sense I never had sex until I was an adult.It's a different kind of abuse. It's not good for the psyche to be neglected like that especially during a developmental period where your brain is still being wired
>>35542081no, i just was allowed to do what i like and wasn’t “corrected” on fembrained behaviour. my parents were too soft and now im a straight tranny, not mad at them tho they’re very nice and i love them a lot.
>>35542146Being abused at a young age shapes your future sexual desires, this is the same as most women who were abused by men as children being incredibly submissive and generally into cnc kink.
>>35542081some girl(cis) kept aggressively erping with me before I knew what sex really was, does that count?
>>35544986this doesn't explain bisexuality though, unless you think they're genderfluid or something
>>35542081wasn't, sorry op
>>35542081Not me
>>35542081Nope, perfectly normal upbringing with loving parents>>35542103This has always been my theory
>>35542081all of those studies he listed were gay and bi men, not trans peoplealso i wasnt sexually abused as a kid
>>35542103>>35545141I agree with this, it also lines up with how so many people can remember being bullied and spotted as being "gay" by their peers before they themselves knew they were. They give off an aura people pick up on - in this case one that makes them a more likely target of abuse like >>35544423 was
>>35545108it does explain bisexuality. there are varying degrees and nuances gender identity disorder. male bisexuals are able to maintain personal autonomy around women. homosexuals give up their male autonomy around women.both exhibit an insufficient integration of the gendered self into the whole self.
>>35542081I was from the ages 8-13 by my mother until I learned to fight back, and once when I was 15 by a male nurse
>>35545405It's sad that all the trannies I know were abused in their childhood, makes me think that there must be some connection between being trans and having experienced abuse, maybe that's because from a child we aren't what you could call "normal" compared to others
>>35542081Was abused by mother emotionally and verbally like her bringing up my father raping her to make me feel bad, threatening to send me to a foster home where I'd be raped if I didn't like living with her, threatening to crash a car while I was inside it etc.chaser/bi tho not trans or agp
>>35542081My step dad used to grope my ass and thighs, dunno if that counts as sexual abuse though
>>35545367do you have any tips for a guy who is mostly gay but is getting more attracted to women for how to maintain my male autonomy?
>>35542677this is the exact missing clue in these retarded studies. correlation versus causation.
>>35542081the truth is gays in general are more submissive which makes them suitable targets for sexual abuse
i had some abuse as a kid but nothing sexual at all.
>>35542103This is very unambiguously the cause, yes. Feminine AMABs are the easiest targets for abuse. This goes both for physical (bullying for example) and sexual abuse.
>>35542103yeah i'm sure your dad wouldn't have raped you until he found out you were mentally ill. fucking retard.
>>35542081I've never had sex.
>>35542103I actually think it's closer to all, but just like with all the other repressing these groups tend to do, they've repressed memories of the trauma.
