the only thing i hear about breast development on HRT is the lack of it, everyone cries about having A cups, maybe B but only beacause they're obesehonsare boobs even real?
>>36271068I'm a normal weight and I'm still flatchested after 10 years lmao
>>36271070well that's ropefuel
>>36271086I'd be upset now if I wasn't so hot
i'm about to be 10 months in and i've gone from flat chested to legitimate handfuls. HRT boobs are real and im hoping they get less cone-y on prog later.
>>36271094hm that's good to hear, do women in your family have big breasts?? I heard that could be a genetic thing when it comes to hrt
>>36271094same but like 18 months, was a year before I had much going on but getting there now!
>>36271111I'm not sure how genetic it is, but yeah, i've got good genetics family wise
>>36271068Im middle of average BMI and I have natural Ds. The key is genes and not ever going on spiro. Spiro fries your breast development. Progesterone fills them out, but don't start on it too early.
>>362710685'7 130lbs and a cup bobas that are round. they real
>>36271068i have had some breast growth so i believe it’s possible, but it definitely tends to be less than people say it is>>36271111i’ve heard under ideal circumstances you can expect 1-2 cup sizes less than your nearest female relative based on how closely you are related >>36271141INGMI
>>36271068notrannys just get gyno which is different from real tits because of the male ribcage.
>>36271068weight cycling is realt. starting growing more boobs after 7 years of hrt from not being paralyzingly depressed for a few months and actually eating enough to gain weight
>>36271068I'm skinny and got AAs lol. Not flat at least.
>>36271111hrt does not override your genetics. whatever your genetic endowment is, is whwt you grow. my mom has Ds. ive got Bs after one year of hrt and they are still sore and growing.
>>36271068Yee, it's real and no one loves them more than my bf. They're his mommy milkers he say lol
>>36271068no. any tranny saying that he's grown "d cups," or anything beyond b cups, is either bein willfully facetious, or is just retarded. hrt is extremely weak and cannot mature breasts past tanner stage 3-4. the issue with measuring tranny "breasts" is the male ribcage and the conetits. the male ribcage skews measurements and makes smaller "breasts" appear to be larger by cup size. conetits increase bust circumference disproportionately to actual breast volume, causing innacurate results.
>>36273134>hrt is extremely weak and cannot mature breasts past tanner stage 3-4Progesterone has entered the chat.
>>36273134i forgot to mention it, but moobs also play a huge part. most trannies are obese, or at least overweight. they think that their gross moobs are tits, when underneath their greasy fat body they're still tiny gyno growths.
>>36273154Having gyno still helps with having big tits though. You already have fatty deposits in the breast area.
grew those in like 3yrs. naturals. > my little tranny: hrt is magic
>>36271068Middle of healthy BMI and I'm on the edge of a B/C cup depending on the bra. The women in my family have breasts the same time.>t.rans girl 10 years HRT
>>36273235same size*
>>36271068>2 years 8 months >one is a B cup, one is an A >super coney >fucked up moidy puffy nipples no they aren't. and i'm going to kill myself.
>>36273295are you on prog?
>>36273391yea for 8 months.
>>36273416i guess you arent trutrans then, best of luck!
>>36273134We know how cup size works, duhStill have Ds. Took about 5 years but I have them. Progesterone solved conetits.Again, most trannies fry their breast buds with spiro because it's the most common AA even though its pretty much poison.
>>36273154Where the fuck are all of these obese mtfs you and right wing comics talk about, 80% of the trans women I know are underweight or at the very bottom of normal
>>36273154>most trannies are obese, or at least overweightMost trannies are anorexic skeletons
>>36271068they're real anon, but I didn't get much at all until I started progesterone.I had barely or under A size for a while, now I'm about the same as my sisters (B-ish)
i’m anorexic and have almost no fat but i still b cups. they’re bigger than some of my cis friends’
>>36273736Seems like gigahons specifically are likely to be overweight, but the malefailing boymoder -> twinkhon or near-passoid archetype most common on this board is almost always underweight
>>36271288even if my rib cage is small for a womans?
>>36271068Mine are D cups. I'm not fat. Mono E (T suppressed into female range) + Prog (200mg rectal). The proper growth started about 2 years in a few months after I went from 100mg prog to 200mg prog. Also went from underweight to a healthy BMI. Also they're super round, not cone tits at all.
I'm 9 years hrt and I got milkers.
>>36271068don’t fall for the “you won’t grow boobs” psyop. i was planning on boymoding for a few years due to my job but I already got B cups after 1 year of HRT, and they’re still growing.I have to wear a binder to go outside now it’s aaaaaaaa. but my bf love to grab my boobs so eh
>>36274049im skinny AF btw, my BIM has always been <20 so it’s not because I’m fat
>>36274049Why not just go fulltime?
>>36274072my voice doesn’t pass it’s becoming an issue because people call be miss about 50% of the time even in a baggy hoodie, but I don’t want to be a cringy tranny with a malevoice
>>36274092Work on your voice then. You are missing out on cute outfits
>>36271068No they're very real if youre a youngshit
>>36271068anon u dont need boobs to be happy :3
>>36271068I'm an obese hon (340lbs down from 375, 6' but quite muscular) and I managed to gain big bouncy H cups despite not having any large breasts in my family
>>36274507shape of them will depend on the validity of your statement
>>36274507hand in marriage?
>>36274166yes i do
>>36271068I'm coming up on three years HRT, with six months of that on prog, and I have nice round-ish boobs on the border of A and B cups, at a BMI of 24.5.I'd like larger because my huge chest makes them look small (I was in denial and didn't start HRT until like 30), but they're enough that I can wear clothes that depend on having some breast size to fill out.
i'm underweight and have b-cups from sublingual e, but i only take hrt as a measure against twinkdeath. not having a flat chest is genuinely giving me gender dysphoria, but i'm scared of turning into an ogre if i stop.
>>36273493i was on spiro for a year am i fucked
>>36271068luck (skill) issuet. 4 years
>>36271068i've known a girl from this very board with like F cup naturalbut pretty sure the average cup size for trannies is AA
>>36274507>340lbs down from 375, 6' but quite muscularpost body please
>>36273493look it was either that or testosterone poisoningat least i never developed a beard or any facial hair beyond 13 year old boy peach fuzz
>>36276953Even with progesterone and everything, you probably won't get any real gains.It depends on when you started it. If it was at the beginning youre probably fucked yea. You still can get breast growth but it will definitely be stunted. Also who knows genetics are weird.
>>36277390ripIve got a 38" bust with a 34" under-bust but its completely in the nipple with no boob fat at all
yes, mine r all natural, and i’ve been on hrt for three years in september
>>36277605regimen?
>>36277390What about 6 months?
>>36271068i’ve got some nice a cups and i’m 5’9 135lbs, almost two years hrt
>>36277694i take 100mg spiro once a day.and 2mg estradiol tablets three times a day!
>>36278175thanks; glad you're here to prove >>36273493wrong
>>36277734Breast bud development is crucial and spiro really fucks with it. There's a huge correlation between tranners that are/we're on spiro and ones who get breast augmentation. It's not a said and done thing, but it most likely screwed with your most important developmental stages. Spiro is a horrid horrid AA and should be banned.
>>36278268I said genectics can trump spiro, outliers don't disprove this. Outspoken endocrinologists have been saying this about spiro for at least a decade at this point. Not to mention spiro's awful long term liver and bladder effects. It can cause incontinence pretty early on in life with extended use. This is true for all AAs but especially spiro.
>>36278168gain 10 pounds and you will see a wild difference, trust
>>36279091you mean dr powers who said ~thats not what i meant
>>36279091herehttps://www.reddit.com/r/DrWillPowers/comments/g3xftt/cleaning_up_some_language_breast_bud_fusion/
>>36280096I'm going off of my own doctor and endo after having a doctor that did me dirty for the first year
>>36271070same at seven years
>>36271068I have A cups (not AA) only 6 months hrt (my BMI is 22) so i doubt it's that grim but most of us having male ribcages probably hurts a lot
>>36271068i dated 2 flatties who were on hrt for years, but my current gf has been on it for years and has like b cups titsi really don't get how this shit works
>>36271141How early is too early for prog? I started prog at 7 months, is that too early??? Should I stop shoving it up my butt????
>>36280674It's more that it's just pointless in most applications early on, not bad. >>36280490genes it's always been genes
>>36272624>>36271068i literally still have tiny mosquito bite puffy conetits after 2 1/2 yrs on hrt im gonna fuckig kill myself. do i need to switch to injections? suifuel if this is all the growth i get
>>36277048HOWWW plz what was ur regimen
>>36271068I have got Bs from smaller A gyno in two months. I'd say future is looking bright
>>362710685 years in and I'm 36DD
>>36271068Yes they are realt. fondled my mtf friend's boobs on her insistence
>>36272624>my mom has Ds.So playing with your moms underwear made you go tranny? figures.
>>36271068Nope. Bolt-ons are the only way for tranners to get boobs of comparable size to normal women. Your insurance might cover it like mine did.
>>362814621st year was 50mg spiro + sublingual E2 starting at 2mg then up another 2 every 3 months up to 8mg2nd year on was 200mg boofed prog and weekly 3-4mg EV injectionsdon't start prog too early (late tanner stage iii or into iv should do it) and try oral E for a bit if you've been stalled out
>>36282715breastlet cope
>>36271068I have c cups, shit's dope.
i like tiddy
>>36273493wait so if i start spiro now (basically no tits) i wont ever get any? (hrt femboy who doesnt want tits)
>>36283157I gained my booba while on spiro, ymmv.
>>36271068I’m a bit chubby, but yeah they’re real, pushing a c cup>about 3 years and 6 months
>>36283199Are you going by +4 sizing? Those look bigger than C.
>>36283240I dunno I’ve been over an a cup since I was like 18, I’m 33 now
>>36271068i have mosquito bites but my ex had big naturals. luck of the draw. for as small as they are my boobs at least have a good shape, which is more than a lot of trannies can say i guess
>>36283199i dream of the day you will show them
>>36283671I’ve shown everything but nip on this board, there’s some older full nudes I put on here after like 6/7 months of hrt a few years ago but I dunno if anybody archived them >I was made self conscious about my tummy afterwards though :(
>>36283975nooooooooocan't believe i missed that
>>36283985Imma take a nap now been up since 1am, but if this thread is still up in like an hour and a half I’ll go through my drive and see if I can find them, I’m not quite as thicc as I am now in them though>90 minutes is enough time to access REM sleep
>>36271068t. 2 months hrt + 1 month prog 22bmiits genetic
>>36284014i love you
i love being jealous of women and better looking trans women. its really good for my mental state
>>36284114yo dude sameany time i see madchans tits i want to delay my srs savings for implants but i need to choke those brainworms out and just let them grow
>>36284098youngshits
>>36284645i started injections at 22 years old wdym youngshit
>>36284098why did you start prog so early?
>>36284683there is no evidence for starting prog early actually being harmfulthe entire reason for the "wait 1 year before starting" advice is that it emulates the hormonal progression of ciswomen, where the spike in progesterone comes 1 year after the spike in estrogen in early pubertythe reasoning is literally "it works for them so i'll just copy that" with no counterargument for starting earlierdeveloping breast bud tissue is very sensitive to testosterone presence in blood, which is why you'd ideally want to stay away from prog at least until your T is properly suppressed, but after that it literally doesnt matter anymorearguably its more important to be on antiandrogens for a while first before touching E to specifically allow for that T suppression to happen, which i think ended up happening to me because i was on antiandrogens without E for 3 years before starting injectionsi wear a 34D now, so its worked fantasticyes they're cones but so is everyone at 2 months, i just need to give it more time and more food
>>36284652yeah youngshit
>>36284744>there is no evidence for starting prog early actually being harmfulsure but even just the existence of enough anecdotal reports and not doing harm by adding it later might be enough to go off of when we don't have time to wait for hard evidence, it's just weighing the risks and benefits
>>36284962just as there is no hard evidence for it not being harmful to start early there is also no hard evidence for starting later being harmfuldo what you want its your body after allas long as you get prog in your body and dont testosteronize your breast buds you should be okim not planning on stopping either way, so i'll at least end up being 1 data point for starting prog early into Efor reference about inherited breast size, my mom has the same underbust as i do yet i'm a whole cup size larger than her already even squishing down the conesmom is somewhere between an A and B cup, the rest of her family is Ds and Es, so its not like ive been exceptionally genetically gifted in an ancestry sense
>>36285011>do what you want its your body after alloh I completely agree, but I'm trying to demonstrate that the logic in outright dismissing even a possible and unproven risk for the sake of rushing growth earlier is... lacking and comes across as foolhardy, at best, considering the possible outcomes of all cases (and I don't mean it like a pascal's wager philosophical or even prob/stat issue)
>>36285044desu with my low T (52pg/ml) before injections i'm already a special case to begin with
>>36284014>she lied to us
>>36284101I’m awake now anon! And I found the pics from back then so unsee cc.album#Ep2X2BziFOuK but that was back in 2021 and I was like 7/8 months on hrt I guess, they’re a lot bigger now though
>>36285564Dawg I just delivered lol I was tired and my nap ran longer than expected lol
>>36285011>testosteronize your breasthow do you do that
>>36285716by having testosterone while your breasts are in early developmentspiro and not having proper T suppression for example
>>36285724oh, but that happens no matter what right?Since your going to be at a point where your on a spiro but not enough suppression has yet happened
>>36286185the solution is to get the fuck off spiro lmaospiro is literal poison if your goal is to feminiseget on cpa or literally any other androgeni was only on spiro for the first while, until i managed to convince my endo to switch me to cpa bc my side effects were awful
>>36286205antiandrogen* sorry im eating rnendos love to prescribe spiro because they're all incompetent fools and you shouldn't trust a word they sayspiro works by preventing testosterone binding, not productionso your blood T levels turbo spike, which then ends up in your breast buds and kills them off which is why people say spiro nukes your tits
>>36271068>are boobs even real?as a guy who had gyno, yes
>>36286215Do you have sources on that?
>>36273150Honcope
>>36286215>spiro>your blood T levels turbo spikeok at this point I think you're willfully spreading misinfo, what's up?
>>36286236>>36286271>endos are foolsendos are taught to treat cis people and cis hormonal problems, most of them are completely unaware of how to treat trans people beyond "give them an antiandrogen and whatever estrogen is available">spiro's functionspiro is an androgen receptor antagonist, which basically just makes spiro bind to those receptors instead of androgens like testosterone, their production is never stopped it just doesnt bind to the receptors to trigger the gonadotropins and their related masculinisation effectif it isnt binding, its not exiting your blood, so it just keeps climbing and climbingi started on 100mg/d of spiro and ~2000pg/ml T, and by the time i had to switch to cpa because of side effects i was on 200mg/d and 6000pg/ml of Tfinnish endos are also ass with actually prescribing effective bloodwork, so as far as i know that figure is total T>t kills breast budsmentioned in many studies, like this one about it degrading existing breast tissue and specifically cancerous breast tissue (read: growing breast tissue)https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2931104/
>>36271068I started hrt 8 years ago and am 30B.While they are small, they're noticeable because I'm thin.
>>36286294ok you've already said your case is weird, but you have to know that taking spiro does NOT normally increase your blood T levels, what the fuck? I also didn't like the sides so I got off it after the first year, but it almost immediately nuked my T and started my breast bud growth even without sufficient E levels for WPATH standards (which I did eventually reach before dropping spiro and going for monotherapy+prog)are you trolling or high or just really uneducated? also are you literally intersex or what?
>>36271068i found one today and it made me think of your post>28F Cup>never obese>spirohon>105lbsposting plebbit link for proof because a real trutrans/hsts would never browse 4chanhttps://www.reddit.com/r/TransBreastTimelines/s/eFWUTWIvoT
>>36286319>are you trollingnope i made a trip specifically so i would stop doing that>highnope>really uneducatedmaybe? im not a medical professional i work with shiny rocks and cad models>are you literally intersexthey took my karyotype but didnt bring it up so i've got no cluehavent gotten an mri down there or anything either or a spermcountintersex stuff is really rare so im doubting it just off that, i dont really have any of the hallmark symptoms of intersex conditions either that i can telli dont really know what else i would say, i took my meds as prescribed and my T kept climbing even though my dose was raised multiple timesspiro blocking androgen receptors not production just seems to make sense as a reason for why my T kept climbing, after all why would the blood concentration go down if it isnt getting absorbed or broken down by anything
>>36286215i was doing blood tests every 3 months and my t levels didnt spikei did have to piss like every hour through and i still do even 6 months after i quit
>>36286364I'm not doubting that you experienced what you experienced as everyone's biology tends to be differenthere's the bigger problem: you're making absurd sweeping claims based on your personal experience and extrapolating from that to unfounded conclusions and saying they apply to others them giving them direction based on thatthat's stupid and dangeroushere:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pharmacodynamics_of_spironolactone#Steroidogenesis_inhibition
>>36286442i think i had mine every 3 months up to a year and the levels kept climbing, then it was only 2 more tests at 6 month intervals until i got switched to cpaonce i switched to cpa and had another blood sample 3 months after my T levels dropped from that 6000pg/ml down to 52pg/mli only have a couple printed blood tests from my endocrinologist, the rest got lost when my ssn changed and i didnt think to make backups, and some of the discords where i posted individual results in i've since been banned fromall in all the rough timeline would be:0-3mo: 50mg/d spiro,3-12mo:100mg/d spiro, 2000pg/ml T12mo-18mo:150mg/d spiro18-24mo:200mg/d spiro, 6000pg/ml T24mo-34mo: 12.5mg/d cpa, 52pg/ml Ti still didnt get any further masculinisation during spiro regardless, especially considering my balls started shrinking and body hair thinned out even though my T levels were cranked way high>>36286445>here's the bigger problemwell, i guess my situation is exceptional, and i'll just include that in the future when im talking about my experiencethanks
>>36286445if you dont have enough E, your body never gets to message to shut off T production and I think that is where the spiro spikes your T meme comes from. A lot of docs are stupid and try to provide the lowest possible dose of E like it is pain killers or something.
>>36286846>if you dont have enough E, your body never gets to message to shut off T productionwould make sense, i had male levels of E up until i started injections
I WANT MY LESS THAN A CUPS TO GO AWAY
>>36286328Kino. Anecdotally pills seem superior to injections for breast growth. My sister said she's now pregnant and seems to have went up two cup sizes in a matter of weeks, while technically perfect levels of prog/domp/e left me with only an a cup. I am getting a ba in Nov as fed up of waiting. I hope to convince the surgeon to let me go big.
>>36287099i was on pills before injections and they didnt do shitmaybe the 1-3 months of spiro fucked me forever
>>36287448my understanding is that spiro triggers similar receptors to prog, which hypothetically would lead to breast growth reduction. now i am only going off things i’ve been told by this board, but that is my understanding of it. i’m still on spiro cause i’m a bitch who won’t diy, but i have seen decent growth, at tanner 3 now in about 6 months. if you’re eating right and your levels are good, it’s either spiro or genetics
>>36287099swallowed e2 pills after the first liver pass get transformed into e1 which is beneficial for breast growth and development but does almost nothing for feminisationits why sublingual regimens sometimes include swallowing one of the pills, the sublingual e2 dose makes it to the bloodstream skipping the liver but you still get some e1 as welli also swallow 2mg ev orally every day for that purpose even though i'm already on injections, cant say if its making a difference but they're definetly growing
>>36287957are you doing cycling or just foreveri heard the on 10 off 20 best
>>36288051havent cycled before also never heard of ityou mean the swallowed ev?smells like honscience trying to emulate the menstrual cycle desu
>>36287533prog helps best growth tho
>>36288088sorry, i meant prog too early might inhibit breast growth, but at this point i don’t really know so imma shut up
>>36288080yea the swallowedhttps://www.reddit.com/r/DrWillPowers/comments/l084v9/cycling_estrone_to_unstall_how_long_should_that/
>>36288104prog too early can give you tube tits
>>36288318see, people keep saying this but then nobody can actually prove it
