>>41922352
No one is leaving first world comfort over table tennis. I doubt most would even leave should they straight up ban hrt. Could you imagine finnster move to a third world country for the sake of unregulated hrt? Haha

>>41922373
>thinks op is suggesting you live in a third world country
move to another first world one, dummy

>>41922352
Based based based

>>41922373
>first world comfort
>the UK
lol

You know you can move to other western countries too, right?

>>41922381
people from the UK are thirdies to the rest of the first world so you need to be a doctor.

>>41922381
>>41922390
Lol, other first world don’t accept table tennis refugees and are even more restrictive on hrt. UK is the most lax after usa. You always talk of moving to thailand or south america for guaranteed hrt access but its bs through and through.

>>41922381
>another first world one

Britain stopped being a first world country a while back now lol, its a failed state where the police can no longer protect citizens

>>41922403
>UK is the most lax

Mad how you just tell lies that 100% know to be untrue. Only tranners living in the woods and hunting squirrels for food wouldnt know that terf island is the most hostile nation for trans people in the global north

>>41922403
Okay it's clear you're just saying shit so have your last (You)

>>41922373
There are two classes of people in Britain. There are serfs who think the UK is a acceptable place to live, and there are those who realise its terrible. Everything here costs double, triple, what it should. Any town and city further west or north or redding is literally physically crumbling and full of poverty and misery. Name a public service - it doesn't work. A modest income (40k, ish) is something a large part of the UK public think of as lavish and a pipe dream. There is no mobility at all for 99% of people, you are born into a way of life that you cannot move from so hopefully you like whatever your lot is. The standards of everything keep declining, food is worse and getting worse over time. Its cold and rainy and gloomy and everyone here carries that in their souls, its full of evil cunts who enjoy other peoples suffering. And we have a parliamentary system that only responds to the interests of a tiny elite who want to extract all money from everyone in a dickensian manner, and is increasingly doing so by brutalising the UK public in the courts.

Even if you are not a tranny you should leave the UK if you are young and upwardly mobile because there is nothing for you here. This is a place that hates ambition and drive and hope.

And if you're a tranny with ambition and drive and hope then girl why are you still here

>>41922417
The only places with a higher standard of living than uk, ie scandinavia, are infamously a million times more gatekeepy. Anyone leaving uk will have to choose between foregoing hrt or foregoing comfort, and lets face it, the latter will weigh heavier. Don’t tell me finnster will flee.

>>41922417
Question for UK trans people, especially those who are not hiding it, is it really that bad socially? I don't mean the big institutional stuff, I want to know if the british public are cruel to trans people

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>>41922426
I count three kind of people

>>41922427
Huh?? I live in vienna (arguably the most liveable city in the world) and my hrt access is easy: either you get approved by 3 different psyche-doctors (psychologist, psychiatrist and psychotherapist) or you can literally hand in your approval for hrt from the coubtry you came from… now you can choose between gel, patches, pills or premade injection vials (5mg estradiol valerate)… you get cypro and prog as well for only 6ish € a pack (prescription fee) if you can get insured.

>>41922426
I believe you. I don’t believe that more than 100 million people around the world can claim to have it better though.

>>41922448
The official waiting lists in the UK start at like 2 years and some go up to I think a decade. That guy has no idea what he's talking about

>>41922460
Except everyone and their mother can get private prescriptions from gender gp or finnster.

So you're saying that gatekeeping isn't an issue and disproved your own viewpoint
GG

>>41922450
I disagree and you only need to visit a failed UK city/town to see my point. There are pockets of the UK where its alright, if expensive. The majority of the UK has nothing other than drug addiction and ???. I'm not overexaggerating, you go to formerly industrial parts of the country and the living standards here are worse than you can imagine. Any developed country has a good chance of being preferable than the UK in 2025. We really have been royally fucked in the last two decades and its hard to overstate how grim it is here.

You are displaying male levels of anger

>>41922512
England has the richest area in Western Europe (London), but then also 8 or 9 of the 10 poorest

>>41922464
Firstly this is simply not true and its notoriously hit-or-miss as to if this is viable for you without massively lowering your standards. It is easy to get hold of drugs, true. Getting any sort of support in doing so is much harder. Blood tests, GP's treating you normally, whatever - if you go these routes then the NHS is at best going to barely tolerate it and at worst will actively try to fuck you up somehow. You are taking the bare minimum as a win and it simply isn't.

Moreover, this does nothing to help people who might require other things from the NHS like signatures for surgeries. I know that people will say NHS srs is a meme but plenty of girls want it and would benefit from it. Not to mention top surgery for trans men, or free laser hair removal for trans girls. There are many aspects of trans healthcare that most people will not have access to in the UK.

The average 4chan tranny is a minority - most UK trans people are feckless and useless and will just rot within this broken system rather than funding this themselves.

>>41922531
Poorest of western europe*. In other words you have to exclude the vast majority of europe’s population in other to have uk appear poorest in any metric.

>>41922352
Imagine the refugee asylum status meeting.

>"Why are you fleeing the UK?"
>"I want to play table tennis against women"

>you can just move to another Western country
>"nooo the UK is the best"
>turns out it's the shittest
>"nooo but what about the countries nobody but me keeps mentioning"

I literally specified Western Europe

>>41922516
>▶
>You are displaying male levels of anger

>>41922438
depends. if you go out alone youll probably feel a lot more on edge. go out with a fellow MtF and youll probably feel less threatened. go out with a man who looks like he can handle himself and your chances of catching shit suddenly become very low. ive had people overreact from minor things like bumping into them go from possibly about to get violent to a sudden meek grumble and moving on because they noticed my bf staring them down. cis women will also treat you nicer, because it becomes easier for their weird little brains to stop thinking of you as something in relation to them and more of a particularly faggy gay boy. in general though, you want to spend as little time in hostile areas as possible, and avoid travelling alone.

>>41922427
I said its fucking mad how you lie, oh wait, you work for GCHQ

>>41922427
>>41922403
the real problem is that the whole boiling the frog thing means theres never one single "oh shit moment" so youre constantly sliding deeper and deeper into the shit and your capacity to actually get out of there is reducing gradually over time too. if youve got a bf or a husband youre going to need to convince someone who isnt directly being targeted by these policies that yes this is actually serious and we do actually need to act, which can be hard to explain to someone who genuinely believes that the only homophobia or transphobia that matters is the kind he can solve by breaking its jaw. the best i have managed to get thus far with my hubby is getting him to understand that my economic prospects are essentially being crippled by not passing, and that i need him to earn money for us and help me earn what money i can to get us into a stronger economic position over time.

>>41922426
>And if you're a tranny with ambition and drive and hope then girl why are you still here

Old and disabled

>>41922426
>A modest income (40k, ish) is something a large part of the UK public think of as lavish and a pipe dream.

My favourite is that they get angry at the welfare state and want it abolished, but never ask to improve their own lives

>>41922600
Are you >>41922623? Just trying to understand how much passing effects how you are treated, sorry to be blunt. Thank you for sharing though.

>>41922438
For me, as a non passing trans person, its a living hell.

Words cant expresse the abject terror i experience just walking around. Its when, not if, i am attacked again. Ive been attacked a lot.

I can walk around my shopping centre, dressed in the most normie clothes ever, and every 10 seconds someone walks past me "thats a man", some laugh at me, others glare with total hatred. Pure hatred on their faces. Its not one or two people, its everyone, i was sat on a bench and everyone that walked past me was mean, some spit at me. I went to a Primark, i queued up to buy something and no one stood near me in the queue, the nearest person was a few metres away either side, like i was diseased.

My neighbours keep vandalising my car and the housing association encourage it, said its none of their business. Lots of horror stories like that.

Its really quite a horrible, nasty place.

>>41922650
yep. i dont pass but i am married, which puts me in a position where i can go to feeling general atmospheric hostility to being quite at ease in places depending on whether my hubby is presently with me or not

>>41922652
where exactly do you live?

>>41922660
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=99z_Q8m2KmY&pp=

I live here.

>>41922666
>birmingham
jesus girl get the fuck out. the north is not a perfect place but literally anything is better than birmingham. go grab a houseshare somewhere less evil.

>>41922672
Im fucked anon, im fucked.

My life is 100% fucked, things happening to me i cant say here, but its over for me, i just have to avoid dying before my time.

I saw someone get stabbed a few meters away from me before, and had some chavs pull a knife on me. When i called the police they said "why are you calling us for" and out the phone down

>>41922679
you are quite literally unable to flee?

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>>41922352
girl i do not understand lasses like you who complain about being barred from SPORTS and go on about how you are the biggest victim. I literally cannot get a job where i live because the entire industry that built my town has had the entire native population replaced with some flavour of muslims who need to work with very sharp knives in fields and commit the odd rape.
I DONT GO OUT ANYMORE DUE TO FEAR OF DEATH AND SOME OF YOU ARE COMPLAING ABOUT DARTS!!!!!

>>41922697
I would leave tonight if i could. I wouldnt even pack. I would get my meds and teddy, and leave England. If i never spoke to another British person again I'd die happy.

All this country has done is cause me harm

>>41922387
Fucktard.

>>41922716
Way to miss the point

>>41922403
for fuck's sake hrt in poland is not only legal for youngshits but also you can get it in 2 appointments over18 (a couple more for over15s)

>>41922874
Racists are never smart

not wanting to get stabbed or raped by brownoids that shouldnt be in your city is racist

not being able to play darts with women is worse than being stabbed by blacks

>>41922652
why don't you just socially detransition? sounds like it would make your life easier

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The only way to save Britain is to vote for Zack Polanski (born David Paulden)

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if we vote for this Jew who wants more mass immigration and natives earning over 30k to be taxed into poverty then the UK can be saved

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>the cool hip jew man will let me compete in womens sports. no i dont care if it finishes of my own people. I WANT TO BEAT WOMEN IN SPORTS

the british nazi party(reform) lead by zia yusuf possibly winning the next election keeps me up at night so much so im thinking about claiming asylum in japan

im being genocided against because i cant throw darts with women

Britmong trannies wanting to beat women in sports, ignoring paki rape gangs, and gloating about giving hrt to other peoples kids and then being in utter bewilderment as to why everyone hates them

>>41922866
could you flee to a different city?

should just pass a law banning them everywhere cis women are desu

>>41922866
>All this country has done is cause me harm
How so be specific

>>41922448
>approval for hrt
I wonder if that's why when I came out at work one of my coworkers seemed to think I'd gotten government permission.
>3 different psyche-doctors for HRT
I can understand wanting a basic psych eval to avoid prescribing hormones to literal unmanaged schizophrenics but that's insane.
>>41923006
Sports is absolutely the dumbest hill to die on but it's probably worthwhile to point out just how silly this has gotten.
You can convince me trans women have an unfair advantage in quite a few sports but what the fuck's the point of banning us from chess? Darts? Video games?
>4'11.5" mtf
>secretly a threat to women's basketball
>antimetropia cooked my depth perception so hard I failed t-ball as a kid but definitely still genetically advantaged in table tennis
>dirty casual that only really plays GTA sometimes and Minecraft but too powerful for the real wombyn gamers
>slightly better than average general population chess player but too smart for the real foids
>such feminism

>>41922881
Right, a country with significantly worse standards of living. In other words, sacrificing comfort is required. I’ll believe it when I see it, so far no alarmist doomsday preaching first worlder has walked the walk. Well except that one brit that moved to a balkan country and came running back TO the uk! Point in case.

>>41922986
Not possible, id just kms. Its either live in an environment where im hated or suicide. Not great options, i pick the lesser of two evils

>>41923015
They've already said they would throw us in prison, they're bankrolled by the Heritage Foundation, and only a fool wont expect them to form a government.

Because they would be way more incompetent they'd ramp the transphobia up to 11, and use that to distract from their disasters

>>41923512
>significantly worse
geg
maybe if you compare best places in uk to small cities but most of uk is genuine shitholes
while poland is mid, but as long as you don't live in places with 50 people you're alright and probably have less than half an hour to a doctor that either checks you over in a week (doctor visit) or forces you to pay 200 zlote
housing is a different matter but atm you'll get raped in both countries so who cares
I live on the poland/germany border and it's really nice here
>comparing poland to balkans
kill yourself

>>41923094
I dont have the money, when you move to another city they will ask what your connection there is, if there isnt one the Council will refuse you.

The waiting list for council properties is already a decade long, i would have to go back to living in a HMO for years, and thats no good

>>41923128
What do you want to know? The government has passed laws that harm me specifically, police have never protected me, people have attacked me etc

>>41923908
By all means show examples of trans people fleeing to poland. So far we have one confirmed case of a trans person fleeing somewhere in europe, and it endes up with them returning to the genocidal terf island.

>>41922352
Wow! Are trans women simply better than cis women at everything?

>>41922352
>trans men can continue competing in men sports
and retards say terfs hate us equally

>>41924077
>moving goalposts
are you retarded

>>41922887
You go girl, defend the honor of violent perpetrators over the safety of transwomen, show off that virtue.

>>41924077
Most trannies can't flee because we don't have the resources to

>>41924122
>asking for real world examples is moving the goalpost
ok, from now on I’ll keep it to fantasy land only so we remain in the same place for our discussion.

>>41924353
Uh right. Third world africans can save up to flee but brits can’t. Ok.

>>41924378
Third world africans who move countries are either reasonably well-off and well-connected middle class individuals, or refugees subject to literal war and famine and so have absolutely nothing to lose

>>41924378
>Save up to flee
Dude they literally have NGOs who use their money to import as many of them as possible. They don't spend any of their own cash.

>>41924406
If trans people are being genocided, as is being claimed repeatedly, then they have nothing to lose either so it’s an apt comparison.

>>41922427
>be me
>French tranny
>live in Sweden
>diy
>get appt after a while
>"so I was diying for a few years giv HRT"
>"ok lol"
>get hrt
So hard

>>41923915
unable to grab a room in a houseshare?

>>41924354
you first claimed that countries with "as good standards of life" are also shitty for trannies for hrt
After getting called out for making shit up, you moved the goalpost to "b-but giv me examples!! uh refugees for tennis! uh uh uh!"
You're a disingenuous retard and should kill yourself

>>41922352
>>Trans women in the UK banned from.... *throws darts at a dartboard*... table tennis!

interestingly, does this mean that the reaction and accuracy between men and women are different, and the vile genital transplant operation does not affect the reaction and accuracy inherent in sex?

>>41922352
>>Trans women in the UK banned from...
Over time, you will realize that the best country for transvestites will be a country of transvestites, a Transvestitostane, and it is realistic to create such a country somewhere in Africa or South America.

>>41924983
i would suggest carve put part of south africa and turn it into a trans state

>>41925002
Where will all the racist trannies go?

>>41925012
death camps

>>41924983
>somewhere in Africa
You must like the idea of paramilitary troops invading and engaging in genocide and cannibalism to suggest that.

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>>41925017
awrite Sarah you fat fucking pedo spastic

>>41922426
>Its cold and rainy and gloomy and everyone here carries that in their souls
The good thing about the shit weather is it makes the terrible people stay inside. I can run on empty streets and dog walks are like having a private field or forest.
>its full of evil cunts who enjoy other peoples suffering
Deserves to be emphasized. Agree with the rest of your points.