to the transwomen here, is a man being a conservative a red flag for you?If you caught your man watching ben shapiro or charlie kirk debate slop, how would you feel?
>>42467673>If you caught your man watching ben shapiro or charlie kirk debate slop, how would you feel?yes, this is low tier right wing garbage Now, if he is quoting Spengler, discussing hbd, and making references to obscure Roman history, that's how you get me swooning
>>42467725were you a pseud before you trooned out or did you pick that up after?
>>42467673>is a man being a conservative a red flag for you?yes>If you caught your man watching ben shapiro or charlie kirk debate slop, how would you feel?I would think he is really dumbt. rightoid trannoid
>>42467673I would probably talk with them about it but those two are normieslop nowadays, ben shapiro is known to be jewish so if he watched him you at least know he's not a nazi. It's definitely icky to support maga in this environment considering the far right ultranationalist elements infiltrating it through America First.
>>42467673I would probably describe my views as center left but to be honest I’m a one issue voter. Anyways if he is watching kike garbage then yeah it is, my bf watches Sam Hyde and I don’t really mind, not my thing but I don’t see it as a red flag nor care.
>>42467842>one issue voterwhat is that? (please don't say israel or some shit god)
>>42467673>If you caught your man watching ben shapiro or charlie kirk debate slop, how would you feel?itd turn me on
>>42467842Sam hyde is like incel levels of red flag
This might sound dumb but I don't care: I would not ever date someone who didn't have near-identical political and religious beliefs as me. I would set a small window on the political beliefs and a very small window on the religious beliefs. I just don't see the point.Political: socially left, economically socdem < -- > libertarian/laissez-faireReligious: atheist / agnostic, physicalist, no ESP/astrology/UFO/woo/other nonsenseI don't think I could even date a moderate democratic socialist, really. I could be friends with them though.
>>42467862It means you decide on who to vote based on one issue only that supersede all others. Most voters are one issue voters meaning that there's one issue they prioritize and it will make them change votes.
>>42467868I think watching certain Sam Hyde material is not necessarily a dealbreaker. He's a sincere neo-Nazi but, while his politics are inextricably tied into his comedy, he's a funny guy who makes good comedic material. I still sometimes watch him even though I'm a Jewish leftist. That said, that anon is clearly also a neo-Nazi so it's a moot point.
>>42467862Just pro LGBT stuff.
>>42467862I vote for whoever is most opposed to (or least involved in) religious conservatism
>>42467673as a very lefty troon i'd sort of prefer a conservative bf, but idk it might eat at me in reality to know that he believes in things i am so against on a moral level.
>>42467868If it was good enough for dollface then good enough for me so I don’t care.
>>42467898the kvetching on this post
>>42467898>he's a funny guyFor a fifth grader, or just a severely retarded incel. That's the problem with him, his stuff is so unfunny and so braindead, if you say you like sam hyde, it's the same as saying you had no friends and spent your adolescence trying to fit in 4chan subculture
you guys cant fool methe moment a traditional gender stereotype of a man with traditional values in his head gives you positive attention your principles will go out the window
>>42467941I just praised Sam Hyde because I'm happy to see things without the lens of politics. What more do you want from me, Ms. Cuck?
>>42467942I'm sorry but he is objectively funny, or at least as of some years ago he was. He's only cringe when he tries to be serious and starts spouting white nationalist idiocy.
>>42467962open borders for israel
>>42467949>positive attention If a man truly has those views, the attention he would give an LGBT partner wouldn't be very positive for long.
you retards would sell your souls for a man who are you kidding
>>42467967There's absolutely nothing funny about the guy, he's an asinine comedian. Saying you like that is just saying you have no taste, and your sense of humor and comedic level is atrocious. It's basic outing yourself as retarded
>>42467977Well obviously I'm with you there. Did you not read my post? I said I'm a leftist.>"kvetching" - I'm not a huge fan of people who support indiscriminate mass murder and totalitarian suppression of dissent and social darwinism, even if I can still enjoy their work>"LITRALEE white genocide to murder me and my family, this is war" - some people just moved to my country
>>42467993nta but i think we're running on the premise that his views on tranners are the exception.
>>42468011Please don’t say the r word :(
>>42467993a lot of them are bi, especially the younger ones
>>42468024So it's a conservative partner conflicted by cognitive dissonance and his partner is the embodiment of the conflict? Sis that's not gonna work out long term
>>42468051where's the cognitive dissonance? i don't really understand the conservative mind, i don't see how not minding queers is incompatible with the rest of the ideology.
>>42467999to a man who is hot? absolutely
>>42468079Opposing queerness and personal sexual/expression freedom is literally the core of the conservative zeitgeist.it has a direct appeal to the heteronormative patriarchal tradition and so it repels anything that lies outside the conscription of Judeo-Christian sexual values
>>42468079Have you bene paying attention. A huge portion of the Conservative platform is predicated on hating and attempting to eradicate LGBT, starting with the T.
>>42468051you can be mostly conservative in your political opinions but also be chill around gays and tranniesthats basically what the democratic party was a couple decades ago
>>42468079Conservatism is predicated on the hatred against whores and fags
>>42468111> You can be [torn apart by cognitive dissonance]Sure you can. That's indeed a real possibility
>>42468111Perhaps, but if you are voting for Conservatives or supporting movements that get them elected, you are supporting a platform that wants us dead. Sticking your head in the sand doesnt absolve you of that.If someone is Conservative but never votes or supports their party, that might be a HARD maybe depending on where their values fall. The second they support the party, they are undatable to me.
>>42468111>you can be a conservative in every way >except for the part that affects me That's just hypocrisy which is also cognitive dissonance manifest
>>42468105i guess i can see that for being against gay people but what's wrong with trannies? i don't think it ruins everything for some males to be born with a female neurosex and to let them transition into the social role of that sex. that's how transition tended to be thought of when there were like triple digit numbers of transitioned trannies in the country. the man becomes a woman, and look, she's a very pretty woman now and she's doing all the woman things, great, modern medicine right? and that was that.>>42468106yes, which is why i said exception.
>>42467673I’d feel upset he’s watching garbage like that
>>42468140Youre asking for an exception to the CORE of conservativism.
>>42468161but i don't think it's really an exception, the main reason conservatives are against transsexuals (the broader transgender umbrella is its own story) is because of media fearmongering imho. like in the 1950s no one had a problem with this shit, trannies were talked about in newspapers like a miracle of modern science.
>>42468178Mang are you retarded? What historical revisionism shit have you been reading? Trannies were ostracized even worse than they are now if they were ever caught out of stealth. Im talking "will never find a job again" levels of cultural ostracism.And media fearmonging by... whom, exactly? What's that? The leaders of the Conservative party that have been using anti-LGBT as the cornerstone of their policy ever since slavery was outlawed?My sister in Christ, it wasnt even a few decades ago that being publicly trans or gay could get you killed with high probability. I fucking LIVED it.
>>42468125>>42468135>>42468161guys I think you're just too autistic to imagine anything other than the most ultra-religious klan member any time you hear the word conservativethis explains a lot about american politics
Like, gods, the levels of retardation here. Talk to any adult older than 50 and they will paint a horrifying picture of how nonchalantly we used to outright kill LGBT. Im only 40 and I literally remember having a gay friend of mine murdered when I was a kid - and the murderer got off on gay panic defense. Being trans was seen as being gay with extra steps. You either stealth passed or you didnt bother.>>42468210No, I imagine the party leaders they are voting in. The ones writing policy that makes my life worse.
>>42467673Conservative in and of itself is not a red flag, but if he's been brainfucked by the Jews it is. There's nothing conservative about letting the christ killers tear apart western civilization.
>>42468210ITT we forget that conservatives vote for conservative politicians who write conservative policy that actively makes tranny lives harder.
>>42468202im 22, and maybe a little bit retarded. but i still think its possible, it seems like a sensible worldview to me. and i mean there are definitely guys who at least identify as conservative who fuck trannies, so we're kind of in no true scottsman territory here anyway. anyway let me have this fantasy.
>>42468236>"Surely the leopards wont eat my face"Fucking retard tranny counting on the cognitive dissonance of cons. I hope some redneck realizes he's "gay" while fucking you and brains you, you kinda deserve it. Fucking Uncle Tom ass bitch.
>>42468231>implying America isn't a single party state entirely corrupted by the Israel lobby and anti-trans politics isn't just a distraction from the US funded genocide in Palestine.
>>42468140>guess i can see that for being against gay people but what's wrong with trannies?U Serious? Are you slow or dumb?Being a tranny (changing your gender) is even more transgressive and appalling to the conservative worldview (built on the inalienable separation of genders) than being gay.
>>42468257Doesn't change the fact that a particular facet of the state explicitly wants me dead or repping. Shove your enlightened centrist shit up your ass.
>>42468140>i don't think it ruins everything for some males to be born with a female neurosexYou just described something that ruins the core tenant of conservatism.
>>42468231yeah every conservative votes republicanlike how every socialist lefty votes democratanon this is autism at work
>>42468210I think you're too naive or just ignorant to see that when it comes to LGBT people, the "moderate" conservatives see eye to eye with the "ultra religious klan members" and the laws that spawn from that are more inclined in the klan's member side than the moderate side.
>>42468255i just like to imagine a conservative man taking care of me and having a traditional marriage i dont see how that warrants wishing death on me.>>42468270>built on the inalienable separation of genderswell if it's a medical condition i've had from birth it's still pretty inalienable no?
>>42468290>conservatives don't vote for right wing conservative politicians that enact right wing conservative laws on sex and gender You're just being obtuse
>>42468304>if it's a medical conditionOne of the most important tenants of conservative ideology is affirming that your "gender delusions" are a mental illness that should be suppressed and not encouraged with transition. We can see how cognitive dissonance is making you split the atom to fit being a tranny in the conservative worldview.
>>42468311you're thinking about conservatives like they're all one faction of peopleit's like thinking a communist is the same thing as a liberal and they both want the same things because they're both toward the left
>>42467673Yes, being a conservative requires being insane and/or stupid and/or evil. And yes, that also goes for so-called respectable establishment conservatives.
>>42468336They're not, but they're all anti-human ghouls in one way or another.
>>42468336Conservatives may come in many shapes, but the politicians they vote for are very predictable, as it's always the politicians with the worst plans for LGBT people. 2024 was no different. You're trying to rewrite history
>>42468255nta but you're the problem. When you engage in blanker prejudice against million of people, ignoring all of their diversity and individuality, to blame them all for crimes comitted by a tiny minority of sick individuals decades ago, you're not fighting back you're joining in. Compassion and understanding is what you didn't get then, and it's what the world needs the most now. Voting your trauma solves nothing. Remember democrats were the party of slavery. >>42468276Incorrect! The state does NOT care about you. At all. You are not important except in two ways, the vote you cast and the taxes you pay. Beyond that NO aspect of the state gives a single drop of runny shit about you. Trans politics is just really fucking useful at keeping everyone talking about anything except the absolute fucking shitshow of American foreign policy, the fact that the government can't even afford to pay it's own salaries but is sending the defense budget of Australia to Israel ANNUALLY, the fact that China is now the dominant economic power on earth because of decades of outsourcing, the fact that the US public education system is a laughing stock, the fact that the government CAUSED the opioid epidemic to make a family of Jews richer. That is the stuff Donald Trump ran on in 2016 and didn't solve any of it because congress wasn't interested, and the public service is out of control. Wake up and smell the semitism you fucking idiot. Vote red or blue, it doesn't matter, it's Jews on both sides.
>>42468336Saying that a communist and a liberal would vote for trump is retarded though, just like pretending that conservatives didn't side with trump.
>>42468359Jews are actually much more aligned with trump and the republican party though.
>>42468334>affirming that your "gender delusions" are a mental illnesswell sure, but they're not, so if someone who was conservative in every other way could recognize that then he could be a pro-tranny conservative i think. whether or not transsexuality is a medical condition present from birth is a question of fact, not ideology is my point. maybe one's ideology makes them prefer alternative facts, but i don't think it's impossible for a conservative to have a glimpse of reality in that way.
>>42468334THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS CONSERVATIVE IDEOLOGY. Conservatism is defined as the resistance to change, that reform should happen slowly or not at all. The republican party has all sorts of people in it now, precisely because the democrats thought policed everyone into believing the same thing (or at least saying they do). For every republican you can find that believes something, you can find another republican prepared to debate him for a 6 hour podcast. >>42468365JewslarpasbothsidesThe only thing they're aligned to is themselves. They have betrayed every "ally" they've ever had, going back THOUSANDS of years. The problem with American politics is Jews.
>>42468369>well sure, but they're notWhich is in direct opposition to the conservative narrative and worldview >If someone who was a conservative could...>Make an exception for me That would indeed be a fair example of cognitive dissonance, mental gymnastics, hypocrisy, intellectual inconsistency, call it what you want.
>>42468381>THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS CONSERVATIVE IDEOLOGYThere is one actually, and it's ostensibly against LGBT people, it has been so for thousands of years.
>>42468381>The republican party has all sorts of people in it now, precisely because the democrats thought policed everyone into believing the same thing (or at least saying they do). For every republican you can find that believes something, you can find another republican prepared to debate him for a 6 hour podcast.The thing that conservatives mostly agree upon is opposition against LGBT people
>>42468351>>42468362you guys actually too retarded for this conversationyou're assuming everyone always votes and no one refuses to vote everthat shit went right over your heads
>>42468388again, they may prefer alternative facts, but at the end of the day reality is reality. i just don't buy that it's impossible for a conservative to recognize the objective reality of this situation and act accordingly, i'm very confused here desu. all it amounts to is a slight modification to the lines that define the genders to fit in this very tiny fraction of the population. gender is still essential, the source just changes from the body to the brain.
>>42467673i feel bad for straight mtfs, they're so hard up for bfs/husbands they'll get with literal maga chuds
>>42467673It’s a red flag. Not a total dealbreaker tho. Watching debate slop is just going to make me roll my eyes at you but ultimately everybody has vices. Constantly making racist chuddy comments would make me annoyed.
>>42467898>He's a sincere neo-Nazihes literally ew-ish
>>42468365jews originally came to the US from poland, belarus, russia, ukraine (the russian empire) after russia created anti-jewish laws and enacted quotas that stopped too many jews from occupying high value positionsafter this the jews largely took up left wing causes and were ardently pro immigrant (the term "melting pot" and the poem about "give me your poor" were created by jewish immigrants) and strategically championed the civil rights movement (along with other leftwing causes) with many, many jewish lawyers being key in advancing that agenda it's only recent that some some jews, based on a neocon love of israel, being a successful minority that benefits from pro business politics, and more recently the western left being in bed with third-worldist islamomarxists that jews have been leaning more towards repubs
>>42468422>alternative factsThey would call your "entitlement to womanhood" just that, though. >Reality is reality And they would say that after claiming you are the gender assigned for you by your biological sex without any input from your supposedly dysphoric mind. Nobody said it's impossible for a conservative to make exceptions in his ideology to better accommodate you. We're just saying that is called cognitive dissonance.
>>42468393So where is the book where all of that is written down and why haven't any republicans read it? I keep hearing about the heartland institute, as if the average republican even knows who that is. If you go to the UK conservatism means maintaining the monarchy and protestantism. If you go to Italy conservatism means putting the Catholic church in charge. If you go to Australia conservatism means doing whatever America wants. 0.7% of Americans tune in to Fox news every night. Less than 0.1% tune into the Daily Show. This two party crap is a fucking fiction. It's television. It's not real. Real is your actual neighbor who still mad about how vietnam vets were treated. Real is the farmers you've never met watching all of their neighbors getting eaten up by monsanto. Real is the Christian parents who pray like crazy for their opioid addicted kid. Real is the plumber who's worked his whole life to provide for his family and kids only to watch his neighborhood get destroyed by drugs and crime. But politicians ON BOTH SIDES can't do anything about that and wouldn't care even if they could. So they debate transgender bathroom bills. BOTH SIDES play that game. Because that way nobody is discussing their actual job which is siphoning American taxpayer money to Israel.
Id say if he's cool with trannies then he's fine by me but if he is racist and randomly starts hating on other races then I'm cheating on him with a member of the race in question. Also if he tries to get me to watch brain rot content and says something like "it really makes you think" I would probably not stand him either. Debate slop is acceptable but jbp isn't.
>>42468422>recognize the objective reality of this situationLike you not recognizing the objective reality of your birth sex? It's just so baffling how you purposefully misinterpret conservative values so you can fit them in your opinion
>>42468479>Jewish post
>>42468465>Real is your actual neighbor who still mad about how vietnam vets were treated.>Real is the farmers you've never met watching all of their neighbors getting eaten up by monsanto.>Real is the Christian parents who pray like crazy for their opioid addicted kid.>Real is the plumber who's worked his whole life to provide for his family and kids only to watch his neighborhood get destroyed by drugs and crime.desu even this is out of touch the average american is just thinking "if my 401k isn't doing good and beef/egg/gas prices are high I'm gonna be mad and vote out the incumbent"
>>42468422>slight modification to the lines that define the gendersAre you really unable to understand that this means the destruction of the most important thing for conservatives? That those "lines" that separate male and female being unchanging and permanent, set in stone, uncrossable , even sacred, are the most fundamental aspect of conservatism? Are you blind,sis? Why are you confused if you're being explained it over and over? You just don't want to listen
>>42468463>They would call your "entitlement to womanhood" just that, though.yes, most would, not one who recognized objective reality. you're kind of just dodging my point, i already know most conservatives are anti-tranny, i'm just saying i think it's *possible* for one to come to their senses on this. think about intersex people: nobody denies intersexism is like a real thing present from birth, and nobody denies that, say, a cis woman who turns out later in life to have XY chromosomes is still a woman. this is because all of these things are matters of objective fact. the difference with transsexuality in this way is that the facts on it are harder to find, it's not as clear-cut, and there are a LOT of people who work day and night to poison the well. however, all of that does not *necessarily* preclude a conservative from seeing through the noise and coming to understand what transsexuality is and accept it.
>>42468479>Like you not recognizing the objective reality of your birth sex?i recognize my birth sex is male, what are you talking about?
>>42468422>gender is still essential, the source just changes from the body to the brainThat's ultimately against the conservative narrative about sex and gender. Your whole idea is begging for an exception to be made just for you
>>42468503>Why are you confused if you're being explained it over and over?i guess because it just seems so stupid to me to be unable to shift the lines when faced with the fact of transsexuality's existence.
>>42468497>"if my 401k isn't doing good and beef/egg/gas prices are high I'm gonna be mad and vote out the incumbent"If Americans actually did that the system would be WAY healthier than it is. Like so so so so so much healthier. The whole goal of democracy is to bring the government's interests in line with the people. That's the point to it. Only the American system is not a democracy any more. It's a single party with two brands completely corrupted by a foreign power.
>>42468513Recognizing the objective reality, in the words of a conservative, includes giving up any delusions that you can change your male gender, and just accept being a cis man instead. That's the conservative point of view. Cope with it.
>>42468531i already specified that i know most conservatives are anti-tranny. you are avoiding engaging with my argument about a possible exception to the rule by telling me 'well all of them think like this!' yeah, i know. that's why it's an exception.
>>42468522Conservatives literally deny the existence of transexuality, they paint you as a freak fetishist that's getting aroused by the mess you're making out of strict gender norms. They have no recognition of transexuality being a legitimate thing or of your brain being the source of gender instead of your body. If anyone disagrees with that, but they're still "conservative" then they're struggling with cognitive dissonance
>>42468531Apparently you're the queen of conservatives and decide what conservatives think on all subjects at all times. Except no, because that's not how that works, and conservatives are literally such a mixed bag these days there is no single belief that defines them. Turn off the TV, it's lying to you. Go outside and actually talk to people.
>>42468550>they paint you as a freak fetishist that's getting aroused by the mess you're making out of strict gender norms.So do half the trannies on this board retard. How instead of telling me what everyone else thinks, you tell me what YOU think.
>>42468549You're ignoring the argument that these "exceptions" you may find, however real, are examples of conservatives struggling with cognitive dissonance. They're not evidence of conservatism being pro tranny. Rather the opposite.
>>42468563NTA but no, you're the one that's struggling. You cannot comprehend a world in which your percieved enemies are not as obsessed with you as you are with them.
>>42468558>So do half the posters in the right wing hate forum 4chan No shit.
>>42468550maybe i'm just too spergy to understand what you people are getting at. it's not cognitive dissonance just because it's not how most of them look at things. if you want to call it cognitive dissonance you need to show me where the contradiction is.
>>42468571>every board is /pol/ I knew you were a fucking Jew.
>>42468563>cognitive dissonancein what way does what i'm proposing amount to cognitive dissonance other than in that it is not the mainstream conservative view?
>>42468566You cannot comprehend a world where your conservative ideology is against you being trans, although that's reality.
>>42468583>Have conservative views >Except when it comes to gender identity There is a clash in your mind, very clearly
>>42468584I cannot comprehend a world in which conservative ideology has any definition other than the general resistance to change. Which is the actual definition of conservatism. We want to change the way transgender people are treated under the law, they are resistant to that change. That is the beggining and the end of the conserative position on transgender. Everything else is the republican party attempting to fill television minutes and get clicks on social media. But the republican party doesn't actually own conservatism.
>>42468578Half of the posts on this board are identical to /pol/ though. Are you struggling with reality?
>>42468593it's not how most conservatives view things, but nobody here has shown how it is incompatible with conservatism as a whole.
>>42468593Mass immigration is a net negative for societyI am a woman even though I have a penis and testicles. Where's the dissonance? >>42468600Those are Jewish trolls trying to stir up shit to keep us at each others throats, so that we don't unite against you.
>>42468598>cannot comprehend a world in which conservative ideology has any definition other than the general resistance to changeSo you cannot comprehend reality, it seems. You are in fact a person struggling with cognitive dissonance. There's more conservatism than resisting change, it's actually the defense of what came before any of these changes: strict gender norms and absolutely no crossing over between male and female.
>>42468598>I cannot comprehend a world where conservatives are against a tranny like me True cognitive dissonance in full display
>>42467673yes, but depending on the flavour i might eventually get lonely enough to tolerate it>If you caught your man watching ben shapiro or charlie kirk debate slop, how would you feel?this however is an instant dealbreaker. it's one thing to have bad opinions but i consider it unethical to date the straight up non-sapient
>>42468614>>42468620Except that is reality. That is what conservatism means for everyone who didn't get their polsci education from American television.
>>42468611>I vouch for conservatism but make an exception for my tranny selfA mind divided. Conservatives would also call you a net negative to society, which is the part you ignore.
>>42468627Conservatism existed before america did, and it's relentless opposition to LGBT people is historical. You just make the exceptions that your cognitive dissonance demand,so the conservative part and the tranny part of your brain can coexist.
>>42468633How about stop speaking for them and start speaking for you. Because they're not here right now, it's just you telling me what they think even though you've never bothered to actually talk to a single one. The difference between you and them btw is they can change their minds when someone has the patience and presence to listen to their point of view and explain their errors of reasoning. You don't. You remain committed to the ideology that it's us vs them. But of course you're not really one of us are you. >>42468651You're too fucking Jewish to talk to.
