Do I need to bring up being a boymoder during confession? I am technically lying to most people I know I guess, even if trannydom isn't really recognized as a sin in my denom (Episcopal Church).
>>42599101bump
>>42599101I wouldn’t but I’m Mormon and love stealth if i was open with people I’d be excluded and branded as a pedophile on top of never being allowed in temple again. I truelynthink god loves us and this is a test for us if you don’t have to tell them Nona I wouldn’t as most people haven’t accepted this truth yet.
>>42599674>Mormon troonI would never in a million years thought id resd that. Why haven't you left the church?
>>42599734lying to the unenlightened is a core principal of mormonism so it's not incompatible with being a stealth tranny
>>42599734I joined the church after i transitioned actually my family came to America because we were Mormon my mom left it and I felt not being religious left a hole in my life so i joined the church a few years ago. And I love my ward the people there are amazing, I think most in my ward would accept me if I told them how I was born, but the church structure has become more extreme in its anti trans position so I will never take that risk.>>42599762It’s ok anon someone will baptize you after you die and you’ll realize how wrong you are
deconstruct, deconvert, free yourself
>>42599843>not being religious left a hole in my lifeA hole that you have to fill with lies so your religious peers won't ostracize you?
>>42599843Jeezus Nona! Be safe sweetie. I know getting the boot from a community can fuck up ones life and head. Also sorry for taking your saviours name in vain.
>>42599843>baptize you after you dieHow does this work?
>>42599843>I love my ward the people there are amazingSo amazing and loving they would show you the door and cut ties if they knew the true you? Abusive relationships can wreck your brain and your sense of self and dignity
>>42599892What lie I just showed up and they all saw me as a woman which I am.>>42599893I am safe I live deep stealth (transitioned 15 years ago)and even if something happened and my church excluded me I have many friends outside the church who would be there for me
>>42599911So basically we do proxy baptisms for people after they pass so they can enter heaven if they were baptized in life :)
>>42599963>if i was open with people I’d be excludedThat one.
>>42599990So church membership isn't necessary to get into heaven?
>>42599990>after they passStuck as an ugly hellbound hon for all eternity
>>42599998Well I’ve never lied I’m a woman I just don’t talk about my first 13 years of my life>>42600108It is for the higher planes of heaven>>42600114No not hell!
>>42600199I know cognitive dissonance is an essential part of a christian LGBT person, but without delving into semantics, you having to hide these aspects of your life from other church goers counts as lying.
>>42600199What bothers me about your type of people is that you couldn't give two shits about how your church treats other LGBT people who are not as fortunate as you to afford being stealth and live in the shadows. You don't give two shits if your church will show the door to other queer people who are doing the same thing you do. As long as you wear a disguise and get your religious validation, you really don't care about any rainbow coloured cause. You got yours, that's all you care about.
>>42600199What's the difference between higher planes? Just a little bit of heaven sounds good enough for me
>>42600233I have prayed about and it’s what god wants me to do>>42600279I care about other people who have gone through this but why should I ruin my church life over something I can’t change I’m simply not the type of person who can make that change, and it’s not a disguise I’m a woman>>42600306Being honest my understanding is you’re closer to god in each one with him being in the highest.
>>42600513god wants you to lie to other church goers too? Darling, you don't care in the slightest. There are repressed LGBT people in your church right now struggling with doubt, fear and hate, who are afraid of being ostracized for living authentically. To these people you have only silence. You are actively engaging in their oppression actually.
>>42600513>butAlways a but with your type, lmao. Honesty is something so hard for religious people. The pre programmed talking points of your religious propaganda comes first. >Im a womanYou're so much a woman you have to hide your life story from church goers so they don't find out how much of a woman you are.
>>42600513Your church life is built on a lie and it's actually ruining you. You know this, it's why you're here to escape from what they give you at church, which is nothing but scorn and rejection. Your only defense is lying and hiding, pretending that all this ill will is not towards you. Leaving church and leaving people who don't accept your authenticity would actually be good for you.
>>42600568It’s not oppression to live my life>>42600587Oh yes talking about my youngest years is my life story i transitioned young enough that i barely remember anything of being a boy there’s nothing to share beyond going haha I was born as a boy and even if they accepted that. It’s not something I want to share
>>42600513I mean it can't hurt if you want to do a baptism after I die
>>42600674I am authentic at church they see me as I am.
>>42599101no, you don't need to bring up things that are not sins
>>42600728>>42599101just to clarify, not telling people every last thing about you doesn't make you a liar. someone that doesn't tell everyone they are alcoholic or their pubes are blond or whatever isn't a liar for that either
It's fair to expect someone not to throw nonpassing tranners under the bus but I don't understand why one has to out oneself and ruin one's life for the sake of that. There are plenty of ways to make a religious community more welcome for tranners without painting a target on one's back.>>42599674I am a boymoder and will never be stealth. That said I don't think I'm going to bring it up since it's not really all that relevant to what I want to confess. I do trust that it wouldn't come up again if I did talk about it though.
>>42600714> I'm authentic > if i was open with people I’d be excluded and brandedCognitive dissonance is really a prerequisite for religious queers.
>>42600762>why one has to out oneself and ruin one's lifeYou should ask yourself why you should willingly go to a place that would ruin your life if they found out who you truly are. Being kicked out of church is actually a blessing in the life of any LGBT person. Do you think this individual wears a mask at church? They're wearing a mask 24/7 even in here. They can't even admit it to themselves about the glaring contradictions between their life and their religion. No way to live.
>>42600762> It's fair to expect someone not to throw nonpassing tranners under the bus but I don't understand why one has to out oneself and ruin one's life for the sake of that. There are plenty of ways to make a religious community more welcome for tranners without painting a target on one's back.And I don’t If it comes up which is incredibly rare I try to defend women like us.And I used to feel the same way about never stealthing I’m sure you’ll be able to one day!
>>42600806I don’t wear a mask at church I just go in and socialize and worship god, I act as I am.
>>42600762>There are plenty of ways to make a religious community more welcome for trannersSuch as leaving conservative (99%) of churches behind and creating or joining one of the few pro LGBT churches out there (still retarded but not as bad as lying in the lion's den)There's no way to make a queer phobic church change when queerphobia is their founding purpose
>>42600819>If it comes up which is incredibly rare I try to defend women like us.You can't even admit to being what you are, let alone defend others like you. Clearly you are one to sit silently as your church bashes lgbt people, and you just don't care because you got what you wanted already, validation
>>42600835>Can't talk about being trans in church otherwise will be ostracized/kicked out/labeled a pedophile >Stays hidden Darling, your whole religious persona is wearing a cross shaped mask. But your cognitive dissonance is so great you will say "I can't be open at church" and "I'm not hiding" at the same sentence.
>>42599856i did that. no longer an atheist
>>42600806meh. I understand wanting to just live life as a normal woman instead of being trans. Being stealth is always preferable to being an open tranny.
>>42600835>Socialize with people who would close the doors to you if you told them about being trans Abusive relationships do that to a person. They get hit, humiliated, psychologically tortured, and they still run back to the abuser, begging for more. It's a really sad thing to see. Not that different to people addicted to crack. You're addicted to their validation even if it's 100% fake and not genuine. The moment you tell them the truth, that's the moment they will show you what they really are like to people like you. And you consider that "life ruining" lmao. The total and absolute indifference to other LGBT people in that temple, my god what a shame.
>>42600888>Back to the religion of his upbringing >The same one that taught him to hate being queer You never really left it behind, to be honest.
>>42600806nta but ppl like u are why i no longer identify publicly as trans, i find the "community" to be grating vindictive and mean>>42600949i was raised an atheist
>>42600926What part of that includes actively taking part in a cult that would hatethe real you? It's the moral equivalent of painting a black person painting their skin white and joining KKK. You can live a normal life without going to church where they take pride in hating people like you. This isn't the life of an authentic woman, it's just self hate and being trapped in an abusive relationship.
>>42600964Have you ever? You're vouching for another community though, one that not only hates you, but one that wouldn't even want you around if they knew what you truly are. A community that preaches not only vengeance, but eternal damnation for dissidents. >Another religious tranny Another victim of Stockholm syndrome and abuse. You were raised into it by the way.
>>42600964>i find the "community" to be grating vindictive and mean>Let me join this other community who will only accept me if I lie and hide being trans while they preach moral condemnation for people like me who aren't hiding Make it make sense
>>42600978I guess I just take issue with the notion that having once been a moid is a central part of oneself no matter what. I don't see anything wrong with wanting to escape that or trying to live without it hanging over your head all the time. I do honestly find it a little odd that one would voluntarily be a mormon (or roman catholic, or southern baptist, etc) as a trans person but it's not really my problem.
>>42601010yes i did i used to belong to a group that organizes pride marchesplus my mom is an atheist and my dad is a deist and i didnt have anything to do with religion until i was 19 years old like you can believe me when i say this lol>>42601039ive rarely had more uncomfortable encounters than in the queer "community" and i am glad i dont frequent those circles anymoremy church would probably not care if they knew im trans but why would they need to
>>42600978the real me is a woman. I don't identify as Trans, transition was a thing I did decades ago. I don't identify as a going to the store when I'm at home, or an elementary school student at 30 because Its true I'm not a middle schooler. There was a point I was a boy, and now I'm a woman. I'm not transitioning anymore, because I finished and moved on. I don't like to talk about it because it makes me feel unsafe.
it's so bizarre to me how many devoutly religious people apparently use 4chan. like yeah obviously there's going to be some on any website, but the sheer amount of them here is crazy to me. does your god not take any grievance with you interacting with a bunch of degenerate sodomites?
>>42601094>I'm not transitioning anymoreSo you've stopped taking hormones?
>>42601097what are we supposed to do, sit in our church thinking we're better than everyone else? if we did that, we'd be pretty bad at what we do.i've interacted with all sorts of people and it never made me feel dirty. people are never dirty. what they do can be.
>>42600568>>42600587>samefag leave the religious tranny alone jfc
>>42599101No? Do you know just how many biblical figures concealed their identity for their safety? It's not a sin.
>>42600978>What part of that includes actively taking part in a cult that would hatethe real you?the entire point of stealth is that you don't need to orient your life around people who are trans-accepting. traveling to places with restrictive laws, engaging with your community, even the conservative ones, etc. If its not for you thats fine but its not morally wrong to stealth
>>42601094>the real me is a woman. I don't identify as Trans, transition was a thing I did decades ago.THIS I’m just a normal woman at this point how I was when I was born is not relevant to people
>>42600935What is abusive about the kindest people in my life
>>42601189Except they won't see it that way.
>>42601097degenerates love to act holier than thou and climb on the moral high horse. Religion allows them to.
>>42601210>kindestProbably the fact you have to hide from them, and if you ever showed your true authentic self, they would show you real kindness alright. You're literally scared of them, like most victims of abuse
>>42601187I fully understand that cognitive dissonance means you get to be a stealth tranny and be part of tranny hating clubs. I was just explaining to that person that you don't really have to. You can choose authenticity, dignity and self worth instead.
>>42601187It's morally wrong to join a group of people who would hate the real you, specially when you engage with the hating against other queers who can't stealth like you
>>42601221the only other response to that one was me saying i'm not holier than thou for being religious. stop projecting
>>42601127you're posting on a porn website full of pedophiles and men who like to kiss each other. i mean i feel like there's more appropriate places >>42601221yeah true, then they secretly suck off other men while their wife is asleep
>>42601134They chose to bring their bullshit here knowing full well this is what they would find. They come here to let off the steam that they repress during church hours, and we have to pay the price? I'll treat them just like their church would, if they knew the truth
>>42601127You are literally doing that at church, though. That's why you have to hide the truth from them. If they found out, they would give you the proper holier than thou treatment. So you come to the degenerate chan, the only place where a tranny gets to pretend to be holy and morally elevated. >>42601276That's all your religion is, though. That's what you do in church. That's what your church does to other LGBT people, with your consent and agreeing silence.
>>42601296>men that kiss each otheri dont care>full of pedophilesjust like the real world except they're holding back lessi have been mentally ill and using this board from way before i have become religious. its a form of addiction i suppose. generally been trying to just saying - being here doesn't make me feel dirty by association because there are no dirty people, which is what the post insinuated
>>42601325no, that's not what church is forand no, that's not all my religion isyou don't know anything about me nor my religion, you don't even know what religion i follow
>>42601094>There was a point I was a boy, and now I'm a womanA fact you must hide from your church peers at all costs, otherwise they will treat you like they treat other LGBT people while you sit idle in their ranks. Your whole religiosity is built upon you keeping a lie.
>>42601326Your whole thing is cognitive dissonance and being unaware of your surroundings. But when thing is certain, you get to be your authentic self on 4chan. You can't do that at your church or all those "kind" people would show you the extent of their kindness
>>42601368ive told some people at church im trans. they dont care. i dont care to tell everyone. why would iyou have so much disdain for me in you it's crazyi hope you can find peace, ive taken out my own pain on others too, it doesn't really take the hurt away
>>42601343>that's not what church is forIs that why you must hide your past of boyhood and transition from church goers? Sounds like if they knew about it, they would show you how much church revolves around grifting and moralizing, and you would be their victim if truth came out. Your whole church life relies on lie, omission, falsehoods and play pretending
>>42601094>the real me is a womanHow much your church peers would agree with that statement
>>42601094>I don't like to talk about it because it makes me feel unsafe.Unsafe why, anon? Is it because the people in your church wouldn't be so kind and accepting as you pretend they are?You don't like to talk about it because you built your faith on a lie. If the gig is out, your church life ends. That's the "unsafe" you fear
>>42601401i dont have to, like five of them know. again (i assume youre one person because you do seem very worked up that not everyone is like you) you dont know things about me so stop assuming
>>42601389>ive told some people at church im transNot so long ago:>if i was open with people I’d be excludedLying comes naturally to you, you built your faith around it and now you use it to defend the same people who would never defend you if they knew who you truly are, chromosomes included
>>42601066>I don't see anything wrong with wanting to escape that or trying to live without it hanging over your head all the time.Yeah and you still doesn't have to join anti trans hate groups (aka church)The truth (you're not good at that btw) is that you fear church goers will treat you like they treat other people like you.
>>42601480i already said earlier "nta". that means not that anon. meaning we are two different people
>>42599101test
>>42601458You literally fear telling them about it because more than exclusion, you fear they might treat you just like they treat other trannies. True, you don't have to be authentic or have self respect at all, not when you can just lie and join a cult instead.
>>42601531I don't think that's MormAnon
>>42601510PECUSA is fine for trannies desu
>>42601343From your drivel, and the fact that you proudly declare that the whole lot of 5 people know the truth about you, as opposed as everyone else in there who would exclude you for it, it's obvious you are a follower of abrahamic cults. Your lot gets very defensive very quickly when people point out the obvious: your church hates the real you. They either don't know (your and op case) or they pray to god that you stop being trans and just fall back to normalcy
>>42601578lmao at you thinking trans people will face rejection in an episcopal churchi wont call what you said drivel, but you should really stick your head up higher, you might learn something
>>42601565>Hated by all the other christian denominations for it, including the Anglicans that stemmed their branch The exception that proves the rule. A local pastor would call them devils, OPs mormonism definitely does
>>42601598presbyterianism isn't descended from anglicanism. you don't know anything about this
>>42601544It is not me>>42601578You say people on church like us get defensive but it feels like you and who ever else just came here to pick a fight with us
>>42601598meh, mainline protestantism is pretty okay [parishes do vary!!!!] as a rule. I've heard good things about PCUSA and ELCA. Even in chudded denoms like roman catholicism some parishes are alright and I've even seen a few posters here who are orthodox and have the approval of their priest.
>>42601598Im not the op and mormonism doesn't call trans people devils it's that were misguided and get the same branding on our cards as sex offenders so we can't take callings involving kids.
What the fuck is Jesus going to do if you transition? Smite you?The walkers are half vampires anyway, Jesus is their masquerade that damns them. Drink the wine indeed.
>>42601664orthodoxy is way less chuddy than people think. outside of orthobro-convert churches they're mostly ethnic clubs that are also churches
*taps sign*
>>42601595Oh yes, episcopal infamous "every paying customer is welcome" church, actively despised by most christians just like they despise trannies. That's how low you have to step in the abrahamic ladder for LGBT acceptance. 0,01% of denominations are pro LGBT and are actively reviled by others. Have some self respect
>>42601818mainline protestants are a fifth of all christians in the usa
>>42601664Protestants nowadays are the most homophobic ones,what the hell are you talking about. Stop downplaying religious lgbtphobia. People like op, without any self respect or dignity, willing to lie just to get into a cult, don't prove anything
>>42601743Mate the Orthodox are the most homophobic branch of christianity and their eastern nations are hell on earth for LGBT people Your whole thing is assuaging religiously inspired homophobia
>>42601835Who in this thread is lying it's just been dont mention it, not mentioning an aspect of your life isnt lying to people.
>>42601860Conveniently not mentioning your trans to your trans hating church counts as lying.You're the equivalent of a jew hiding his ancestry to get into nazism
WHO DARES ACCUSE THE ACCUSER?[spoiler]FOR THE ACCUSER MAY BE YOU OR I[/spoiler]
>>42601852i live in america and am talking about america. these r my experiences interacting with churches>>42601835you truly dont know anything about the religious landscape here
>>42601835Are you not American? the divide between mainline (theologically liberal) and evangelical (theologically conservative) protestant denoms has been a thing for a while.I'm OP and I know damn well that my priest wouldn't be angry if I was an open tranny and that I wouldn't be rejected by the congregation. I boymode for personal reasons (i.e. not being a very feminine person and not being done with voicetraining).
>>42601650You came to 4chan to preach your tranny hating cult and you got terribly defensive when people pointed out that you having to hide who you are out of fear of being excluded from your cult counts as Stockholm syndrome and cognitive dissonance
>>42601885Can confirm in america most Orthodox churches are 99% concerts who are usually pretty accepting and well read. They were usually ex-Protestants who were looking for something more authentic Source: my sister converted
>>42601898>I'm OP and I know damn well that my priest wouldn't be angry if I was an open trannyAnother lie?At best he would call you a reprobate sinner and ask you to give up on transexuality
>>42601917You clearly don't know anything about PECUSA or the man himself.
>>42601916>who are usuallyHow revealing is that "usually". It's your deceitful way of saying most of them are far from it, but the one your sister joined is "accepting" (don't ask don't tell style) and you think they represent the whole
>>42601933You don't know anything about the christian community and what they think of your particular brand of "pro LGBT" christians. They're the exception that confirm the rule
>>42599101it literally says that girls should not dress as boys in the bible so yes this does cuont as a sin
>>42601898So you're telling me that the evangelicals outnumber the "liberal" protestants by a great margin and that the religious landscape of America is heavily anti LGBT?
>>42601941You dont sound bias and paranoid at all kek. I dont really care about christians im just telling u how it is in this area. Shes been to multiple orthodox churches here theyre all about the same
>>42601946I don't really care what chuds think of it though.
>>42601901I saw a religious thread and gave op advice you picked a fight, calm down and stop being bitter
>>42601967This is correct yes. But you disputed my claim that mainline protestantism is alright in the first place, which is why I'm arguing with you. Not that chuds exist.
What about the Book of Enoch? The Lost Testament? The Books of the Ethiopian Bible? The Legends of the Jews? Pre-Christian recollections of the Flood or Atlantis? Depiction of winged human angels circa 600 BC in Rome? Jesus is Iseous the... perfumed Drug King? Lord Medicine Healer?
>>42601677>were misguided and get the same branding on our cards as sex offenders so we can't take callings involving kidsImagine willingly joining a cult that views you like this. Sis dropped her self respect at the sidewalk on her way to the cult
>>42601960Gross interpritation. It specifically says that men shouldnt dress as women to get into women spaces to have sex with them. So it only condems transbians picking up women in like bathrooms or womens spaces
>>42601996I have plenty of self respect I joined my family's old church and found myself welcomed in
>>42601993They aren't alright, they are part of a cult that have enslaved and burned our people for thousands of years and most of the adherents to the faith are nostalgic about the times they could do that. A"pro LGBT" church is like a trojan horse. LGBT people should deconvert instead of wasting their time and money into LGBT hating cults even if 0,01% of these cults are "pro LGBT".
>>42601997>To get into women's spaces You made that up actually, it's not at all what the bible says, which is a great sin by the way. The bible specifically says women should have long hair and men shouldn't
>>42602028>bro your explicitly affirming mainline parish is secretly chomping at the bit to kill youcome on
>>42602028Atheists are just spurned christians. Atheism is its own denomination of christanity. Like look at you holding such a black and white mentality and ethics. U should exercise urself of the protestant mentality before you push it onto others
>>42602028I disagree. You have to be the change you want to see. If you're religious and trans you either have to shun the religion, that shuns you, or convert their converts.Vex and harass the humble serf of Jesus with unassailable truth and watch him betray his commandment to not bear false witness.
>>42602015>I joined my family's old churchThe self respect was forgotten on that day >Found myself welcome As long as you keep lying to them, lmao. Your own words:>If I was open (if you didn't lie about not being a cis woman) I would be excluded and branded a pedophile and never allowed in the temple again Whatever self respect is, it's the opposite of this
>>42602036You have forsaken any sense of self respect or dignity the moment you choose to remain a christian LGBT person
>>42602077You wouldn't get it. I hope you can find God one day and stop being so miserable.
>>42602033Christians are bad at reading scripture becouse they are lazy and stupid >https://www.sefaria.org/Rashi_on_Deuteronomy.22.5>https://www.sefaria.org/Nazir.59a.3>https://www.thetorah.com/article/the-prohibition-of-cross-dressing
>>42602045All I see is you willingly selling your soul to a cult that hates you so much you have to lie and hide to be accepted. This isn't about spirituality at all, it's about your allegiance to cults that hate you. It's about you being a victim of abuse caught up in an abusive relationship
>>42602103Its a good thing i no longer dress as a man
I can see it from both sides, honestly>NOOOOO you must FIGHT THE POWER and stand up by being your TRUE SELF TODAY (even though anon said repeatedly she explicitly doesn't view herself as part of/aligned with the transgender community to start with and mostly wants to do her own thing) (and also i'm a spiteful asshole who is deeply hateful of faith and the religious anyways, so don't care what happens after an agenda is pushed)>ummm nooo, i'm just going to live my life (because i'm too utterly spineless to risk social reputation, community atmosphere/boundaries and membership in a group to speak up against behavior I know is deeply wrong and the source of much suffering, much like the most stockholmed tankie/antifa trannies)>>42601097You don't know why Christians might not always be exactly how you imagine them to be because you are actually deeply prejudiced
>>42602099You don't get it either, that's why you can't explain your faith for this cult in anyway beyond "nostalgic about childhood religious indoctrination and upbringing". You are not enlightened and definitely not happy about having to hide who you are so church goers won't exclude you. That's why you come to 4chan to say the things you can't say at church. Basically a victim of abuse.
>>42602132As the mormon anonymous you are correct I am a spineless person that's why I said earlier I'm not the type who can make any change I know my faults but I'm also happy with where I am in life.
>>42602160>That's why you come to 4chan to say the things you can't say at church.I come here cause it's a forum I posted on as a kid
>>42602130In gods eyes you have always been and will always be a man from the core of your every single cell and the Y chromosome they all carry, coupled with your male anatomy. That's what the people in your cult believe in and that's why you have to hide being trans from them.
>>42602130Lazy and stupid
this is so fucking agp just be urself literally like this is something i worried about when i was a closeted faggot at 13 years old. like faith and spirituality is cool and wtvr and i fw the aesthetics but if something negatively effecting ur life and u do nothing abt it ur retarded as fuck. why do boymoders do this>>42601097it’s the agp and repressive and reclusive tendencies that develop from years of internalized shame they’re all buckbroken asf
>>42602103Deuteronomy is from the Old Testament. You can argue the Old Testament's effectiveness. But with the advent of modern sanitation and medicine the need to express things in terms of "clean" and "unclean" in all but a simple ceremonial sense. You still wash your hands to make them "clean" and this simple contrivance of tallow and ash under water should be considered clean medicine.Seek wisdom in the simplicity of medical axioms like "don't breathe in toxic rotten swamp air with high bacteria/fungal/viral/toxin loads" or lick that [spoiler]trypophobia trigger fungus[/spoiler]. "Trust your gut" is good for food but you underestimate stone age hunger pangs.>COOK THE FOOD! BLOOD IS NOT ALLOWED IN THE FOOD YOU EAT! EXILE THE BLOOD DRINKER!
>>42602162Fair, I guess. It's not what I would opt for at all, but I hope you're at least happy as things are.
>>42602096I just don't see it that way. I'm a normal Christian that just happens to be genderdysphoric.I don't mean to imply that queer people haven't been seriously hurt by organized religion. All I'm trying to say is that I've found a place for myself, and not all Christians are horribly transphobic. It's not obvious to me that scripture (in the original language) supports homophobia/transphobia either, and I think that anyone who takes an honest look at the original text will find that it's not as cutanddry as fundies make it out to be. I'm not trying to convert you or imply that you haven't been seriously hurt by Christian communities in your life (if that's the case).I'm sorry for getting kind of frustrated with you at points and I hope you have a good day.
>>42602162You are not only spineless, you are also a victim of abuse who came around to defend their abusers. >Happy with having to hide who I am What you truly are is indifferent about all the queer people who are routinely bashed, excluded and condemned by your church. You're practically closeted at this point, you don't care about any anti LGBT sentiment in the church as long as they don't know you're one. No self respect, no dignity, no self esteem. Only abuse
>>42602206>Old testament Supersession is dumb. Most laws are there souly to seperate jews from other cultures. This is how they distinguished themselves from the powerful empires around them. But christians only ever listen to other christians so yall get the misinformation they been shitting out for the last 2k years
>>42602199Whats lazy i took that from the gospel library i don't care what this Jewish website says.>>42602208I am church really did fill a gap in my life.>>42602183I have prayed and followed what God wants maybe if you prayed more you might find what you should do in life
>>42602261Gospel only means mathew, mark, luke, and john. Christians shouldnt even care about jewish laws if jesus died to make the golden rule the end all.
>>42602261Yahweh never wanted you to be a woman, that goes against a good number of biblical laws, old and new testament, and you probably know this, it's why you have to hide your past from people who believe in the same religion as you
>>42602261>church really did fill a gap>Still on 4chanNo it didn't, lmao. The gap is still there. Hiding in church doesn't fill it, it's precisely why you come here where you can be authentic, unlike church
>>42602284Except that jesus himself, who was a jew, worshipped the old testament, grew up being educated into the old testament and told people that they should listen to old testament and he was here to affirm it. The golden rule isn't the end all of his teachings, it's not even necessary for salvation. Worshipping him as god is the end all of his cultist teaching If you don't worship him, nothing you do will ever be enough for salvation. Does it remind you of anything?Yes, it reminds us of tyrants.
>>42602286>i dont have your faith but you interpret your faith wrong and the God i dont believe in hates you
>>42602261>Prayed so hard I affirmed my sin Lmao that's an easy way of pointing out a false christian. Your church peers know this. That's why you hide
>>42602336>I have so much faith I concluded the opposite of what the bible tells me Cognitive dissonance is your fortee
>>42602210Except that it's a fundamental aspect of christian doctrine that you forsake your material, terrain and sinful "gender dysphoria", grab your cross and just repress for life. Notice how this isn't my opinion, this is the only intellectually honest interpretation of biblical writings. Your faith is built upon a lie where you feel free to ignore the parts of the bible that are inconvenient to you. Are you the only christian alive who does that? Of course not, religion is mostly fit for hypocrites. But it doesn't make you an ounce less stupid to be so caught up in an abusive relationship, you have to hide your authenticity in church otherwise you will feel raw unfiltered christian kindness.
>>42602210>don't mean to imply that queer people haven't been seriously hurt by organized religionBy your organized religion, by the way. Your whole faith relies on ignoring that hurt. You didn't find your place, you literally have to hide who you truly are so you can"belong". That's not "your place". That's you wearing a mask to get into a cult. >It's not obvious to me that scripture (in the original language) supports homophobia/transphobia eitherThis is the part where you actively take part in the hurt these texts have caused on LGBT people. You can't even bring yourself to admit the obvious unadulterated evil that they preach to people like us. Most Christians are transphobic, and so are most christian churches. Most of transphobia in the west comes from the nest of christianity. You not admitting that is hurting queer people, but you don't care. As long as you get your spot in church through deceit, you're good.
>>42602323Honey bb jesus didnt start christanity he was only talking to jews about judaism. Peter was put in charge and also only talked to jews. The ideas that are the foundation of christanity come from the murderer & extremist paul, who never even met jesus and was very hellenized. He came around and hijacked the movment by proselytizing to non-jews which lead to the him being more prolific and his version of jesus' teaching out grow jewish-christanity. You are mixing together several distinct trains of thought/culture and attributing to a single source. Read Galatians if u need to brush up its all in the christian bible
Who converted you all? Angel for hire?
>>42602210>It's not obvious to me that scripture (in the original language) supports homophobia/transphobia either,Are you dumb or is this just another flavor of cognitive dissonance? You're talking about a tribe that gave capital punishment to people who had gay sex and cheating wives. You really think that ancient hebrews would be fine with you wearing girl clothes and calling yourself a girl? Don't be delusional
>>42602340>>42602357God does give us new revelations which is why I know I'm welcome in his church
>>42602475If your personal revelation is against biblical teachings, that wasn't god, it was literally the devil whispering lies into your ears. You know that. That's why you don't talk about it in church. You can only talk about with the other hellbound reprobates here, the only place where you can be authentic
>>42602475Fr u guys act like its a dead religion. Golden age bias working hard in this thread
>>42602384With all due respect I don't think you've actually done much research into the topic. I thought linkrel was pretty accessible but you might also check out 'God and the Gay Christian'.Holy Scripture doesn't say a single thing about gender dysphoria.https://docs google com/document/u/0/d/1Nd4enUz1lQ5-tRe3g5b9obLppho-Y32t_GqLPrV9wtM/mobilebasic?pli=1 [not mine btw]
As for Me? I figured out a good strategy and I'm holy now. Blow me!
>>42602443If I was openly trans it'd be fine, as I have repeatedly said. But I'm clearly not going to get through to you.
>>42602493I could feel the holy ghosts presence, I know he brought me truth even if others aren't ready for it>>42602499Thats right god still communicates with us there are new prophets
>>42602503Holy scripture tells men to not wear female clothes and vice versa, it endorses heterosexuality every step through and it literally condemns gays to hellBut you don't care about any of that. As the selfish person you are, as long as you don't find any bible verse specifically forbidding you from taking girl hormones, you don't care. You got your sit in church, hiding your authenticity Your whole religiosity is just indifference towards what the church says and do to other LGBT people like you.
For there are eunuchs who were born that way, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by others—and there are those who choose to live like eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. The one who can accept this should accept it.”Attention: Niggers
>>42602503I think you look at christian doctrine through distorted lenses, where you twist every single verse they have condemning people who step out of the gender norms for male and female, to fit your own agenda of preaching to queers. Your interpretation of the bible is called "cognitive dissonance" and that's why you have to hide who you are in church
>>42602550why are you using racial slurs.
>>42602550>and there are those who choose to live like eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven.You know that he is saying that some people choose celibacy for god, right? He's literally telling you to remain a sexless virgin as christianity advises all who aren't straight and married
>>42602535>could feel the holy ghosts presence>Encouraging me to sinThat was the devil. You know that's what people in your church will say, which is why you have to hide from them. you are part of a church, but you come to 4chan to give your spiritual testimony. It's not a coincidence. It's simply because they don't want you at church.
>>42602567You're onto something but the greatest pitfall mortal man's tradition in our West has contrived is probably Wedding Vows, followed by a willingness to lie to children.IMO your time is valuable in one place and you can either study religiosity or be a normal person but it's hard to do both. You can argue against it but most of Christianity I see is "do normal shit get normal results."
>>42602499It's literally a dead religion worshipping a dead jew. People who claim otherwise are simply not christians. Jesus being the last prophet is a foundational aspect of christianity.
>>42602584I have sinned but not because I'm trans
>>42602585>but most of Christianity I seeAre you closing your eyes to all the lgbtphobia that comes with it?
Literally Ruth wasnt even supposed to be allowed to convert as she did becouse she was a moabite. Moabites are banned from conversion by law in the torah. but the it is a living document and has to get reinterpreted by every new generation to keep relevant and sacred. Trying to get in the heads of men who wouldnt even know what a trans woman is is completely unnecessary. AND protestants are supposed to believe in personal revelation so if u study the bible and end up disagreeing with common interpretations you arnt automatically wrong. You guys didnt even read the damn thing and it shows. Buncha "Throw the first stone" bs
>>42602594You trying to live as female is sin in its purest form, which is precisely why you hide it from people in your church
>>42602606I'm secretly a pagan. I had a dream and saw Artemis at her bath.mega biblion, mega kakon
>>42602593>Jesus being the last prophet is a foundational aspect of christianity.This is not true
>>42602612>protestants are supposed to believe in personal revelationIf your "personal revelation" made you go against the biblical teachings and towards sin, it wasn't god's revelation but the devil's whispering lies to you. That is the only theological consistent narrative by the way. Everything else has you throwing the bible in the garbage over your own pride and your own sin.
>>42602620To a non christian, maybe. Which is why you have to hide your authenticity in christian churches
>>42602593Lol youre just flat wrong becouse revelations describes prophets and dreamers in future tense. Revelations itself was a prophecy by john decades AFTER the death of jesus. Sorry the denomination u grew up with was misleading and u didnt care enough to learn more from different sources
>>42602525If you would be fine, you would be open. You're not open because the church would show you where you belong: outside.
>>42602652A prophecy saying that jesus will return and put an end to it all, by the way. Linking it back to jesus. Your personal prophecy only serves to affirm your sin, it is no prophecy, it's literally twisting the faith, and that's why you don't share that thought at church
