>>42611100
I am in my 20s huehuehue
I can rep at my own pace
Later seethhon

i only cared until i got ffs and then it was fine ig

I'm grateful I started at 30 and not 40

>>42611100
How long have you been transitioning? I thought it was completely joever but after a couple years of hormones it very obviously is not joever. I need FFS but part of being in my 30s is I can both navigate the insurance clusterfuck and afford the deductible.

Eh, I had given up on it before my 20s so having the opportunity now is a straight upgrade, I feel better than ever, I was a wreck when I was young.

>>42611272
10 years from now you will be wishing violent death on your past self for trying to be a "repchad" (lol)

>>42611100
I started at 29 and I'm currently enjoying the last year of my 20's feels good : D

>>42611272
A chud is born on this day.
>>42611100
Its not that bad, unless youre trying to dress like youre in your 20's. Keep you expectations realistic nona. Luckshit troons end up ugly too. Literally everyone does. You can age with grace or you can rep seething and coping.

>>42611788
>Its not that bad, unless youre trying to dress like youre in your 20's.
This. You just have to accept it is 'womanmode' now instead of 'girlmode'. You also have to accept that while all the ciswomen are about to slam into the wall of menopause, you wont have that problem ;)

>>42611823
>menopause in 30s
anon you need to review your human biology lessons

>>42611823
what do women in their 30s wear?

>>42611100
I am 35 and trooned at 24, I am so glad I didn't double down again, otherwise I definitely wouldn't pass despite being 5'6" skinny and pretty.

nnah its fine way better than i expected

>>42611966
why?

>>42611100
I'm 37, I trooned at 36 because I ran out of excuses not to transition. It's something that has been itching at me since I was like 8 - 9 years old. I promised my parents back in 2010 that I will give cishet life a shot and I tried. All the women I been with never stayed, they said being with me made them feel gay. But I still tried for 10 years and so it didn't work. So trooning now. I'm a tranny now sure, but I'm at peace now, and I also realize I don't care what people think about me as much as I got older

>>42611996
idk im really starting to wonder how much my repper diet saved me or if im intersex/lowt cause it seems like i undid the last 5 yrs or so of damage rly fast(which wasn't that bad in the first place) but i also didnt take measurements and made a bunch of other changes at the same time so will never know. like i see other peoples forearm or back hair and beards that are my age and feel really lucky cause i have none or its all patchy and thin and even though my ribs and shoulders are kinda large that arent actually that much worse than when i was 18

>>42612086
like is onions and spearmint really the ticket to no consequences repping or am i a secret luckshit in some categories to offset being a hieghtogre

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>>42611741
>>42611788
Ahahaha I am still twinky and young
You look lost, hon
Susan's place is that way:
https://www.susans.org/

Your youth eluded you, and now you are a beer-bellied, norwooding sissyhon
Try thinking with your head next time, not your sad limp "clitty"
Cry about it, and know that you will amount to nothing, sissy scum

>>42612115
You look more like your dad today than you did this time yesterday LOL

>>42611856
You don't instantly become a woman when you start HRT. If you start HRT in your early 30s, you aren't going to be done with transition until your late 30s. Which means it wont be until your late 30s or even early 40s (if you are mid 30s when you start transition) until you are truly back to your life. Hmm... what happens to cis women in their 40s? Oh yeah! Menopause!!

>>42612115
aren't you actively becoming a bearded norwooded beerbellied sissyhon by being on T right now lol?

>>42612127
but trans get to skip that and the treatment for menopause is literally hondose e

>>42612115
Behold, a young ignorant idiot spouting off. What's your point besides revealing yourself to have a unlovable soul?

>>42612154
That was my point. Us tranners get to be stable while ciswomen are falling apart. It's a win for us.

>>42612122
Ahhh update the branch I tied my noose to broke and looks like I am in for round 2, sissy
You actualised your worst self, the part of you that wanted to be carnally loved and pounded like a nympho sissy with a fagcent

>>42612137
I have 7 years ahead of me, you have none
Need I remind you that the reason you trooned so late was because you are a cock-addled sissy? Stop projecting, prancing gooner

>>42612156
Oh sissyhon, furiously typing away, while what is left of your manhood strains against your cage
Tsk tsk tsk if you make another sound master will snip those balls off you insolent mutt

>>42612207
I knew it was you, you pathetic sack of shit. You can't tell but the velus hair on the back of your hands is coarser than it was yesterday. It will keep progressing like that until one day you realise you're a hairy person. Does your dad have back hair? You should ask so you know your fate.

You are destined to go from twink to a man with a hard choice. Shave your asshole and get ingrowns because you're so hairy, or don't and get swamp ass. You are destined to smell like your dad LOL

>>42612229
No he doesn't have back hair, nor does he have chest hair
Jelly much? I did some cypro in the past and that seemed to have collapsed my HPG axis given how it is impossible for me to gain pimples now
But I will rep, because it is infinitely more fun to crossdress and mog the shit out of boomerhons
Complain one more time and snip snip sissy

Come back oldhons, you ain't human subhuman sissy scum like you roam the streets for our entertainment

>>42612311
Judging by yesterdays thread it also gave you a brain tumour. Enjoy virilizing with age. I have no idea why you would chose this instead of being a doll. I'm embarrased for you. At least you will make your father proud. I bet you'll act more and more like him as repping makes you more and more bitter. Wonder how many repper kids you're going to abandon?

>>42612351
Dumdum, meningiomas only develop with 50mg of Cypro over 3 years
I am smart about taking Cypro unlike you
Are you perpetually grouchy, having to live off that Diane 21 crap to actualise your MEFhood?

>>42612427
I have literally no idea what that is. I am generally a very happy person but you specifically make me feel a desire to be mean to you. Its easy to be happy when you changed your sex, which is something you will never know because you choose to kill some part of yourself. Enjoy dying as a man.

>>42612470
Ok, ok
I am just lonely and scared ok? You can't blame me for not wanting to be a freakish sissy in spite of my ELTE
I don't wanna be like this, and the oldshits here scare me with their trooning prospects, so I gotta laugh it off ok? I might be mean but all of you scare me, I have seen your kind in tutu dresses roaming the streets as I dine at my local chippy

>>42612470
> Context
Diane 21 is a brand of pills that contains both ethinylestradiol and cypro, made by Bayer the same people behind Androcur

you know so little about the honpills and yet you feel the need to reprimand me, an AGP cismoid?

Sorry trannies for derailing your thread, I will leave my bad
I am sorry but you scare me

>>42612571
You're a coward and severally mentally ill. Every girl in this thread is happier and more stable than you are. You have the mentality that trans women are disgusting. You have a caricature of a trans woman in your mind but the women here mog you because they literally try to look like women lol. I hope you learn to shut the fuck up and get over yourself

>>42612864
I am sorry nona, I really am
I guess I got myself to blame given that you retaliated with so much dysphoria fuel
In all seriousness am I gonna make it in my early 20s? I am like 5'5', but my hips are not broad at all

>>42612115
Give it 10 years nona. Age will hit you Iike a brick. Again everyone will shrivel up and decay. Or rope before then and die a miserable bitter twink death. I could careless. Take care of yourself.

>>42611100
sad perspective
>>42611500
good perspective
>>42611774
smug perspective

>>42612908
I am 5'7 and started around the same age as you and I was stealth a few years after transition. I have now lived almost half my life as a woman. You'll be fine.

https://www.avitale.com/essays-details/?name=the-gender-variant-phenomenon--a-developmental-review-5

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>>42612986
Ehehe I will mog you if I start now
You are getting owned either way ;)

>>42611100
I didn't have a choice, I was stopped at every attempt to get HRT until my 30s. Every day I think about how if I ended up on tumblr instead of 4chan, I'd probably have been able to transition a decade earlier just from knowing the right people. Even when I knew some 4tranners in my 20s, none of them ever helped me get HRT. They just bragged about having banks that didn't block them from using inhouse....

>>42613032
Ngl I love this attitude for you, its a much better look on you. You can try your best to mog me, good luck.

>>42613077
Meh, its is so fucking terrible tho. Takes forever and theyre always outta stock on everything.

good luck over30 anons, the few trannies I know over 30 seem really happy

>>42613171
happy because they pass or because they're deluded hons?

>>42611100
This must be a phony topic.
Nobody transitions after late adolescence, early adulthood. How would you manage to live without transition, if you were really transgender?

>>42613187
Happy because we have exhausted every other option and don't have doubts about what we are doing.

Also us MEF types get a whole entire man to indulge in destroying, not the paltry fragments a 22 year old MEF has to settle for.

>>42613187
>still being delusional enough to think trannies ever pass
they seem happy and thats what matters

>>42613217
A fuck ton of drugs and alcohol. That's how I survived. Numb enough to not feel but not enough to prevent me from working for money to get drugs and alcohol.

>>42613217
I trooned at 28

>>42613217
as an oldfag (38) the reason is literally because before 2010 people didn't really "know" you could transition. it's like if someone suddenly told you that you could fly and you flapped your arms and discovered it worked but you had never tried.

>>42613854
>>42613922
You don't make any sense. Why would you force yourself to live as a man, if you don't like being a man? Truth is you used to want to be a man, now you changed your mind

>>42613922
same. born too early to be young when the tranny explosion happened, born too late to be a boomerhon. or well i transitioned socially at 24 but only got on hrt at 28 cause im a retard

>>42613945
What about those boys who wanted to transition in the 1950s to 1980s? They traveled to the clinics on the coast. And treating themselves 50 years ago.

>>42613952
I didn't move out of my parents house until I was 26, my father kept trying to control my life until I was 27, I transitioned a year after I gave up on trying to make him happy

>>42611100
>I go into a blind rage
Get your bloods done. Your T is too high.
What anti-androgen are you using?

>>42613989
So, you admit you're not the same as those boys who ran away from home tempting to transition when their teenagers back in the 1970s?
Would you admit that they're more transgender than you are? Why, if not, do you think they're so different

>>42613977
I'm guessing you're a zoomer, but information wasn't available like that, you're basically asking "why didn't you pioneer this revolutionary thing"

>>42614010
I would admit that they had more balls to defy their parents and society if anything giving into my father's desire's is more fembrained retard

>>42613977
i don't know who you're talking about but it's just because they somehow learned that option existed. most people did not know this. there have always been pioneering medical clinics for this sort of thing but they were definitely not mainstream and in a huge amount of cases the "treatment" was completely insane. many, if not most, of them required that you "live as a woman" for some number of years before allowing you to take HRT, for example.

>>42614016
I guess I have only my own life to reflect on. I did it when I was real young ran away from home. Spent time in foster homes, and other undesirable pl coz I wanted my hair long like a girl

>>42614081
you exist in a world where the concept of femboys and "guys with long hair" exist

there was a point where long hair was for women and communists

>>42614034
You do have an interesting point. If you think you were so feminine you had to be agreeable and conforming.
I believe most boys truthfully tried to be masculine when young

>>42614063
I want to transition when I was 15 and ended up at a psychiatric hospital. Then I try to transition when I was 16 and took birth control pills. I did finally transition when I was 18

>>42614126
I was a theater kid, I hung out with the girls when I was in elementary, I stopped hanging out with women after that because the sexual tension made women not treat me the same, I had girlfriends that I would adore hanging out with but dread fucking

>>42614144
ok you definitely had a rough life. where are you going with this though?

>>42614187
I was convinced I was really gay and just lived in the gay community had a boyfriend over 16 who was in his 20s he didn't want me to transition

>>42614199
basically trying to call you a pussy for not trooning earlier or fake trans or something because kayne said slavery was a choice and he thought that was based

>>42611100
>how much do you hate yourself?
No more than I did before, I guess. In my case though, short of a time machine, I don't think things could have turned out differently. I just had the misfortune of growing up in a time and a place when there was no such thing as trans, so I wasn't really equipped to recognize myself. I was 32 when my egg got cracked, and once you see it, you can't un-see it. Repping doesn't work, so it was either transitioning or dying.
I've been on proper HRT for a few years now, and while I still don't think I pass, I have gotten comments from others that they can see the changes in me. I didn't have the luck to start earlier, but I'm happier with myself than I was. It's just the hyperawareness of trans issues and watching world events that make me unhappy now. Well, that and financial precarity, but that's a whole other thing...
Do I think about how things would have been different if I'd known sooner? Sure, all the time. But I can't change the past, only the future.

>>42611100
like 2123% idk?

>>42614199
People like myself and Candy Darling, or the political people like Marcia Johnson they did transition long ago at a young age, so it is possible

>>42611100
ngl i still think i would have trooned at 13 if i was born 10 years later...
never discount the zeitgeist lol ;__;

>>42614227
The only way you can make this real is by saying you didn't transition because it was before 1950 cuz in 1952 Christine Jorgensen transition and anyone that had the desired transition or feel like they were born in the wrong body or the wrong sex would have known about it

or the absence of geist ig...

>>42614258
how would we know about it? stupid shit

>>42614258
Too young to have any concept of the pre-internet world. In 1990 you didn't know about shit unless you asked somebody (revealing you were interested in trannies which was social suicide), somebody told you, or you found it in a book.

>>42614258
I dunno what to tell you, mate. "Trans" simply wasn't a word I ever heard spoken growing up, so while I never felt like I belonged, all I could do was shrug and conclude I was just weird in some nonspecific way I couldn't articulate. It wasn't until I was in my 20s that I heard of the concept, and even then I wasn't really confronted by it, and as such had no reason to reevaluate my earlier conclusion. It was just luck at all that I was eventually confronted with it, and started to figure my shit out. Better late than never.

>>42614258
you seriously have no idea what it was like lol. please just trust people when they say it was different.

>>42614258
the mere concept of "being a woman in a man's body" was at the same level as 4th dimension and multiverse theory everyone knows about it because of movies like spiderman but it wasn't even a thing amongst normies 2 decades ago, the matrix was supposed to conceptualize the use of human brains as computing power but executives thought that audiences wouldn't even understand what that was because at the time "Computing power" wasn't even a thing

there's a lot of shit that you understand that people years ago didn't have the chance to know

It'd be like trying to explain AI to a 75 year old from a third world country

>>42614273
I heard about Christine Jorgensen radio commercial when I was 14 years old.

>>42614315
I found out about it by reading books in the library under RC for medical text on transgenderism and psychological books. I just assumed all transgender persons would do the same thing?

>>42613217
I wanted to, was about to, would have run away but the guy I was talking to ditched me, it was kinda my fault but I never imagined doing what he told me not to do would have such consequences, after that I just gave up on it for years.

>>42614336
Well by common sense, I knew I was feminine and I knew I was homosexual, so it wasn't much of a reach to think I wanted to be a girl. All my childhood I told my parents was I wanted to be a girl

>>42614350
No I didn't know anything was like after 2000. Before the year 2000 is when I experienced most of my issues with being transgender

Zoomers don't understand that the people who trooned out at 30+ grew up in a world where the only trans representation was them as punchlines. I don't even think they even understand that only a few years ago the only sources to get diy HRT were like inhousepharmacy and lena.kiev
If I could just use moonpay and have a vial at my door in less than a week in my early 20s I would have.

>>42614485
Yeah I would trooned out right when I got my first job. Way back in '05

>>42614485
You live in a dream world. What about Candy Darling, Holly Woodlawn.
There were many transgender people in the 1960s in the United States. How did they find out they were transgende? How did they find out a way to get help?

>>42614454
How would we know to seek out textbooks in a library on a subject we didn't know existed?

>>42614467
I'm happy for you. Any time I said or did anything effeminate growing up, I could see the look of disapproving concern on the faces of the adults in my life, so I learned that it was expected of me not to act or speak that way, even if it felt right to me. And I always liked girls, so based on the only information I had available at the time, I had a penis therefore I must be a guy, and I liked girls therefore I must be straight. Hence the shrug. There was no visit to see a counselor, no referral to a psychologist. "Gender dysphoria" wasn't a thing, so no one ever asked me if I liked being a guy or if I felt like I was a girl inside. That I liked Sailor Moon or felt unspeakably uncomfortable in locker rooms was lost on everyone.

>>42614522
By not growing up in rural Canada in the 80s/90s, I guess.

>>42614522
ah yes, common figures in pop culture that everyone knew about in the early 2000s

>>42614554
You know what exists because you've heard of Christine Jorgensen Christine Jorgensen transition to 1952 and she was well known all throughout my younger years as the first person to actually change sex. I thought to myself wow that's possible I'm going to find out about it how to do it.

>>42614560
we all remember candy darling and holly whatever yeah, those were big staples of the early 2000's along with titty titteson and dick cockson

>>42614572
We talked about Ninja Turtles and Pokemon growing up. I assure you I knew nothing about Christine Jorgensen.

>>42614522
These people all have resources and wealth. Something I can't imagine any tranner here has/had.

>>42614522
This is so dumb, there are many circumstances that lead to this, up to this day there's young people with all the resources and support that just not do it, they have their reasons and you are transphobic for questioning them.

>>42614560
Well everyone knew about them in the 1970s. They were so common they were in rock songs.

>>42614593
All right I understand. But you are definitely different than me. I thought about nothing other than being a girl all throughout my childhood, it was the only thing that was on my mind.

>>42614629
>Velvet Underground
>Everyone
My social circle was based on music, specifically indie rock and only a few knew about The Velvet Underground.

I am 29, I get routinely clocked as a 18 year old twink but when I ask if I have an androgynous face I usually get "you're a very pretty man" as an answer which makes me think if I get ffs I'll pass but Im so fucking scare Im going to just fall apart in my 30s or something will go wrong or I'm going to look hideous nonas helpp

>>42614650
Wanting to do it =/= being able to do it, what you are doing here is evil and ignorant.

>>42614442
well i didn't as IS WAS NEVER EVER MENTIONED EVER
dumb bitch, i guess you pass as a woman hating parody
now die

>>42614596
>>42614654
Hell I've always been transphobic. I transition to be a woman not be a talking transgender. I passed well enough to convince everybody was born female

>>42614467
Yeah we didnt all get a clear signal like that. My early sexuality was that I wanted to be a copy of the girls I was attracted to. With absolutely zero information how the heck am I supposed to understand what that meant? I just tried my hardest to be normal because that is what got people to stop attacking me.

>>42614673
>>42614678
I'm just arguing the point that it's easy to find out about transg your ender since the 1950s, if you hated being male.

>>42614679
Good, and I never stopped malefailing hard even without hrt that doesn't give me the right to bother others about their decisions.

>>42614703
No one ever attacked me. Other boys always thought I was a weirdo and the girls completely ignored me once I got in the upper grades. I came out gay and then transitioned

>>42614485
There was zero information about HRT. Heck official estrogen was derived from horse piss and gave you blood clots and strokes if you took too much.

>>42614724
this has got to be either a troll or the most privileged zoomer ever

>>42614710
When I was a kid I never thought about anything about other people I just thought about taking care of myself.

>>42614708
Yes? But that doesn't instantly grant all the information neither clears your mind from the uncertainty.

>>42614554
>That I liked Sailor Moon or felt unspeakably uncomfortable in locker rooms was lost on everyone.
Id sneak watching sailor moon, power puff girls, totaly spies and some others when nobody was home, but I also knew I would never hear the end of it I got caught. There very much was the meme to straighten your boy out of he started acting girly.

>>42614740
I do not understand why you replied with that

>>42614572
I literally have no idea who the fuck that is or who any of the other esoteric people you are bringing up are.

>>42614739
It's because you don't like it. It's as simple as that you don't like what I'm saying. I'm speaking the truth about a time long since past. I always got the lowest grades in the class and I was always the class dummy. I would tell kids I wanted to be a girl. I was never beat up for it but I was picked on and teased. My parents sent me to a hospital cuz of wanted to be a girl. It did deter me until I was 18.

>>42614745
I was sent to see a psychiatrist I told this psychiatrist I wanted to be a female and that I was attracted to men's bodies and not women this occurred when I was 15 years old

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I don't quite meet the criteria for posting ITT but I will share my perspective. I am 29 and just now in the position of being able to start HRT. Turn 30 in just a few months.

1. Can't help the circumstances of my birth. I grew up in the rural south (in an abusive southern baptist family) and didn't know trans people existed until I started university. I did have gender dysphoria during puberty but I had no framework or vocabulary for expressing my experience. It was just nameless body horror IRL as testosterone wrecked my body.

2. I don't hate myself for taking time to connect the dots. It took a lot of therapy, soul searching, and admittedly a fuckton of LSD for me to deconstruct and process my experiences and admit to myself that I am trans and that there's no getting around it. I did try repping for quite a while and it did nothing but cause more pain.

3. I didn't waste my 20s. I spent a long time securing an education, finding stable employment, fixing my mental health (I'm bipolar), fixing my physical health, finishing an advanced degree, developing a support system, and "finding myself". All of this has culminated in an opportunity to start HRT, and I am grateful for that. I don't hate myself for not starting earlier, I'm happy that I created the conditions that make it possible at all, because for a long time I thought it never would be.

4. My primary motivation is being comfortable and at home in my body, because that is the only thing I really have some semblance of control over. I have no control over whether or not I pass (beyond making a good-faith effort) or whether or not I am accepted by society.

>tl;dr
You can only work with the circumstances you find yourself in. Agonizing over something that you can't change is just going to cause pointless suffering. There's still value in accepting what you have control over now and taking steps to be the person you want to be. And I think that advice goes far beyond gender identity and expression.

>>42614708
Yeah and you are completely off base doing that, you have idk how many anons telling you that we were completely ignorant.

>>42614724
GOOD. FOR. YOU.

I had a braid down to the small of my back and never heard the end of it. I finally cut it off before starting high school so the teasing would stop.

>>42614780
>I was never attacked
>but I was picked on and teased

>>42614789
And then

>>42614767
Maybe it's because it happened way before your time? When I was a young adult they were common well known persons in the song called Walk on the Wild Side. Besides I already knew all about transgender way before that time. we just didn't call a Transgender we called it transsexual

>>42614824
I was born in 86' when was your time?

>>42614823
And, unfortunately I spent some time to place for emotionally disturbed adolescents. When I got out I went straight into transitioning

>>42614753
Yup... One of my earlier memories, I was probably like six, was asking my older sister if I could try her lip gloss, and how uncomfortable she looked at the request. When I asked her what was wrong, I remember her telling me it made me seem effeminate, and being too young to know what that word meant. I just learned that me wearing lip gloss was something that would make others uncomfortable.
I guess I was lucky that I got to watch Sailor Moon in enough privacy that it never got questioned beyond just being another cartoon.

>>42614798
Yeah, that all sounds pretty familiar... -_-

>>42614824
... or transvestite or cross dresser
all were used interchangably to describe a creepy as fuck guy in a dress that nobody remotely sane wanted to be

>>42614807
Have your ever thought about the possibility that things got more conservative between 1970 and 1990? You know all the clinics that did transgender care were closed by 1980 and most of them opened up in the 1960s. Don't you think you're part of a conservative swing?

>>42614873
Maybe that's the issue right there? Maybe you thought that by time you came along it was too creepy to be feminine to be male. Maybe because transgender became known it became considered creepy. I'm only reporting one situation I went through years ago shared I transitioned very young because I had nothing else to do

>>42614650
>you are different than me
anon discovers that people have different experiences and mental states. idk how old you actually are but people itt are talking to you like you're a child because you unironically sound like one.

>>42614893
This may be true because I emotionally am extremely immature like a child though my real age is very old. I just don't relate to older people very well. Everyone I know is old!

>>42614873
Ever since I was a kid, every single time a trans person was mentioned my parents would look at me and lecture me about the dangers of following that path, they were very concerned about my future

>>42614844
In 1985 I watched a movie called The Breakfast Club I thought it was pretty cool I wanted to have a boyfriend like that criminal guy. I like tough boys, unfortunately I was older than those kids

>>42614708
i did hating being/becoming male, and searched for everything i could find
what did i find? shitty stuff of males getting hard from being transvestite whores.
i wasn't and am not a transvestite whore thinking looking like a woman is the most sexually embarassing experience possible

i learned about trans people at 23, when i was far to masculine to ever pass.
fuck you, hope you choke on your drool tonight you ignorant bitch

>>42614982
I have a similar experience. I really want to transition when I was 14 but harping about it and talking about it and refusing to go to school as a boy, I end up in a psychiatric hospital when I was 15 and then sent to a school for emotionally disturbed adolescence until I was 18 and then I transitioned

>>42614917
something is really really weird about you and it's creeping me out.

>>42615021
I think it's probably cuz I'm just way older. We do have a lot in common nevertheless. I know what it's like to think of yourself as transgender and feel like it makes you a freak. I think I pass well and if I don't, I don't know the difference. Nobody's ever come up and told me I look strange.

>>42615004
good for you and i mean it

i just got disabled from depression with zero help or support
but then ig you're like 30 years younger than me, trans things didn't exist back then, and i'll always suffer from that
lol sucks to hurt bet it's just my fault right?

>>42615063
I'm probably a lot more than 30 years older than you. The thing is when I transition nobody knew what transgender was unless you were really into it and looked it up and books in the library. Back then you actually look things up in a catalog in the library. I never did well in schools younger child because I never cared about it because all I had on my mind was the shock of being the wrong sex. I never thought of it as being gender I was out of it is being sex. I do wonder if some people are more transgender than other people you think that's true or do you think that's just unrealistic?

>>42614982
>i learned about trans people at 23, when i was far to masculine to ever pass.
I remember the defeat of seeing that to medical transition I had to RLE for a year before getting a frankenpussy. I took one look at the permanent 6 o'clock shadow I already had at 23-24 and accepted the obvious conclusion that it wasn't an option for me.

When the trans stuff started happening a few years later in 2013 or 2014 I thought it was just more obama social engineering bullshit forcing us to she/her crossdressers and insurance to pay for their frankepussy. I had zero concept of what hormones did.

To be perfectly fair, today what doctors tell you when they persecirbe hormones still vastly undersells the experience and is criminal.

>>42615094
what's your age?

>>42615123
It would be much harder to transition now when people have all this negative imagery and negative communication about being transgender. I transitioned when nobody knew about it and homosexuality was the evil mental illness

>>42615145
70

>>42615123
>To be perfectly fair, today what doctors tell you when they persecirbe hormones still vastly undersells the experience and is criminal.
In their defense, unless a med student/doctor actually goes out of their way to specifically get training in trans healthcare, they don't get any. Even now. I was seeing an intern doc a little while back, and I had to interpret my latest hormone level tests for her, because she had no idea what to make of them. But yeah, you're not wrong. Everything I know about being trans, I learned via the internet and personal experience. Apparently that's worth a minor in endocrinology.

>>42615167
Damn, I thought I was the oldest one around here at 40. Cheers, nona.

>>42615094
omg! you had libraries?!

i was lucky finding some books of someone wanting to look more feminine...
worked in a fucking library for a while...
transvestite gay guy book
i don't dislike transvestites or gays, i wasn't a gay transvestite queen

i was trans. different thing.

i'm like 50, you?

>>42615123
rle was a problem when i realized there were things that could be done... or kinda could have been. 3 years of looking like a man in exaggerated womans clothing intending to show intent, not style or actually what women wore? like a fetishistic show of display for people where it wasn't wanted, needed, nor helpful (as it wasn't like wearing something stereotypically "feminine" helped in itself)
i've seen someone that was forced into that, she looked fine after the 3 years of absolute forced discrase

>>42615167
doubt, i've seen so many larps about it from obvious 20yo before to believe you

>>42615167
jesus christ

>>42615210
In the early days it was considered to be an extreme form of homosexuality . Being transgender it was extreme end of inversion. Homosexuals are known as inverts.
If you weren't homosexual you couldn't be transsexual according to the literature when it first became available

>>42615222
I'm not expecting you to totally believe it. That's one reason I post here because it's anonymous. I don't really want to tie my name to anything about being transgender because nobody knows I'm transgender even my doctor doesn't know it. Of course you don't believe i>>42615263
>extreme
t, do you?

>>42615150
As far as my life goes I think the easiest time to transition was 2015-2021. Right now seems like the secpnd easiest time.

>Information is everywhere
>Personal experiences are everywhere
>Most of polite society has had it beaten into them that they have to respect me so long as I act respectable
>Surgeons are getting very, very good
>HRT is very safe and easily available
>Laws are on the books protecting me

>>42615293
I don't know cuz my experience was so different with respect to time. When you were going to transition you had to live in a place like the San Francisco tenderloin if you're going to be out and about dressed as a woman not passing this one. As soon as I passed I left the city and lived in the country and a smaller town. It was easy to pass back then because nobody assumed anybody was transgender cuz nobody knew about it. I worry about being read more now than I used to because I'm old and not as attractive as I used to be

>>42615284
if true i congratulate you living as yourself
but realistically you're a 15 yo larping while posting bullshit laughing about owning ppl

still doesn't change the truth i never had access to information i didn't, even after actively searching for it?
whatever, death comes to us all soon enough

>>42615339
no facial surgery during any of this? larp

>>42615347
I'm sorry you didn't have information. I had a long history of emotional problems as a child
I try to pass myself as being normal which is harder to do than passing as a woman for me. I'm not really like most adults. I've never really supported myself

>>42615403
Believe it or not I thought I invented it. I thought that my job would look better if it was made smaller and went and had maxillofacial surgery done in 1980. A year later I had my forehead reformed by doctor Oysterheart. I think I was the first?

>>42611100
i don't
what's the point if it wouldn't reduce suffering over not being born with ovaries

>>42618169
What if you just feel like a real sissy dancing boy?

>>42611100
very

but it makes sense because i'm rly ugly and it was basically over for me by the age of 12 anyway

>>42618408
Why are the most masculine looking guys, transgender?

>>42618464
dunno it doesn't make sense to me either

like, i guess my face is maybe slightly andro but my body is brick and i've been super tall since basically forever

>>42611100
I passed within the first 3weeks of presenting without T. I looked way younger than 30, but it worked.

Self hatred level 2, still don't have a cock.

t ftm

>>42618523
If I were you, I'd try to come out gay. I'm not you though and I've always wished I were just a gay guy. For me, being gay is OK being transgender is not

>>42618169
a woman who cant give birth can still live a good life

>>42611100
I'm 31 and I HRT repped for a decade now, even got an orchiectomy. I'd like to say that it sucks to have missed out on like a decade of your life of being able to live as a woman but I'm lying to myself by saying that, because I wouldn't have been living as a woman, I'd be living as a tranny and that's just a worse experience. I had FFS and I kinda pass most of the time if I don't speak, though I don't really put in much effort, but I'm in a spot where despite most people defaulting to thinking I'm a woman, I could still just very well be an ugly/androgynous looking guy. It's weird. Maybe that's what being in the untranny valley is like.

>>42618614
My experience is similar to yours, except I'm able to convince myself I'm just another woman, therefore I think of myself as not very attractive, but still female

>>42618635
Yeah, that's what I've been trying to do, I also need to voice train, but I think in general, if you're quite tall and don't really dress in an especially feminine manner, you basically have to rely on face and haircut to carry you to passing alone, and it's rough because as trans women we're not really given a particularly good starting point to work with. I would absolutely love to dress in a more feminine manner if I was confident about my passing and had a slightly more decent body. I think that once I get laser for my legs, I can also wear something other than long pants all the time.

I do wonder if mine and your experiences are actually more adjacent to how ugly women experience the world, but I don't really have a good benchmark to compare against because I don't really socialize. If my voice was better I'd probably socialize a lot more IRL but right now, the most socializing that I get to do is getting wasted alone in a sushi restaurant or something. I think a lot of communities like crystalcafe where less attractive women tend to congregate around are generally just not very welcoming to trans women because of culminations of many bad experiences with reddit-tier babytrans people.

>>42611100
Trooned out at 34. Will get SRS this year and will be fully recovered before I'll be 40.
I don't hate myself at all. I pass as a 6/10 female without make up and I look younger than my age. I have a loving boyfriend and life simply goes on, but as a woman.
Keep the goals realistic. That really is the key.
I missed out from dressing girly or the girls' night out and quite a few other experiences but that's okay. Now I hang out with fellow hags lol.

>>42618759
How long did it take you to start passing? I don't wear makeup and I'd say that I pass like 99% of the time and I've not really had issues in Asia, and am moving to Taiwan later in the year but I think in general, Asians are just not great at clocking Europeans at all because they think that we all just fall outside of what they'd normally expect in a woman so they disregard their usual expectations that someone must meet in order to pass. My issue with makeup is that I think it'd make me pass less until I figured out what suits me and what doesn't and I'm really scared of people reading me as a hon in the meantime.

>>42618843
>How long did it take you to start passing?
Under a year. I'm 175cm tall, white European.
Do keep in mind that I meant it when I said I "sprinted" through transition. Had ffs 10 months in and BA ~15 months in.
>I don't wear makeup
I rarely do. But I do use cremes to keep my face younger.
>moving to Taiwan
Good luck. It's not a place I'd live in. But I've been there for a month or so in 2024. Been gendered female 100% of the time, including at the border which surprised me (my passport was still male but with an updated picture).
>Asians are just not great at clocking Europeans
This is not an Asian specific thing but a majority/minority thing. Europeans don't easily clock black trannies either. Or Asian trannies for that matter. Even very clockable Asian trannies are seen as passing AND cute by most Europeans.
>I'm really scared of people reading me as a hon in the meantime
You shouldn't. Nobody really gives af. Especially in Asia, lol.

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besides the clockiest sharpest jawline fucking ever, not feeling too bad at 30 :)

>>42611721
me too, addicted to cocaine, gang affiliation, time served. ill take being an oldshit over what i used to be 19 to 25

I spent my 20's hating myself, started at 31 and honestly I hate myself a lot less so that's a pretty good improvement.

>>42618999
sekso

>>42618962
Oh speaking of getting misgendered, it happened to me recently at the tax free counter in Japan and I was getting ready to doom but then the guy that did it to me also did it to the Romanian woman next to me and she was definitely cis, so maybe his English just wasn’t very good and he said sir to everyone or something. I mean he also saw my passport data page and I’ve not updated it (I have a British passport which is kind of a bit pain to update).

>>42614485
exactly why i never had a chance in my 20s. youngshits noawadays are so entitled but dumb they cant operate a btc wallet without crying

>>42619015
Bless you darling but i am a heavily autistic wildlife forensic technician who watches true detective and cant get a date to read practical homicide investigation or nietzsche with me

>>42618572
tried that, but the discomfort of my own body persisted. and having like a sexuality in general is just gross, don't rly know what to do atp.

>>42619034
>the Romanian woman next to me
damn, there's Romanian women even in Japan?
Tell her I said hi. Use this exact phrase: ”salutări de la Zalău”

>>42613922
How's it going for ya?
t. trooning 2 months into being 29.

>>42612110
spearmint definitely does something, I started drinking spearmint tea twice a day when I decided to rep at 26, and it definitely made me looks less masc, probably just because it made me less oily, smelly, and I swear it made my skin a bit softer. Like I literally looked lower T after starting that, but I also quit weightlifting around the same time lol.

>>42618572
I tried that too and honestly i had no troubles finding a partner ever but it was cause of how i took care of myself in my looks and my exes always left when i was suggesting to grow my hair long or wear proper feminine clothing. i had a complete abhorition toward body hair on myself too and couldnt lose my hair. I also never could be onboard eith the hypersexuality of every gay man i met or dated. I wasnt serving, I wasnt cunty, I was well kept and prim. I lost attraction due to it

so here i am now, and im content with it.

>>42618999
not bad for 30, but tbqh I bet you were already jawline cucked at like 20 something.

If you are a latetrooner the good ending is twinkhon isn't it lmao. Well I guess it's good that I don't really have any social dysphoria, and I just want to be twinky.

>>42619069
need badly

>>42619123
hrtwink master race, unironically.
Best of both worlds - can girlmode whenever I want and look much younger all the time and no depression.

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>>42619114
i 100% was and was skinnier than i currently am hence cucked jaw. I was a horrible anorexic person. Now i try and eat more and have a hair routine, skin care regiment, i drink lots of water and walk a lot.

i may have taken twinkhon but im only 4 minths in, but even if nothing changes, im a better woman than the man i had to watch nearly kill himself and harm others. i learned a lot

>>42619140
seems like it would be based, but I can tell I am going to grow monster tits.

>>42619158
giving me hopefuel anon. Serious millenial aging, giving me hope fuel. I think zoomers think it's extra over for lateshits because of how badly they age.

>>42619139
i own one uhaul box of stuff like clothes and hygiene and i have a german shepherd and a cat. im up for dates and can fly lolll kidding

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>>42619167
to fan your hopefuel this was me 3 years ago. When you let a lot go even when it was your fault, your body and face scars and then heal over time.

always hopefuelmaxx

>>42618999
you kind of look like this boymoding twink I see at a local store, some skin and hair color. I think that twink was like 23, so realy not bad. Ik they were a boymoder because they came out as trans later, and were wearing stereotypical boymoding clothes.

>>42619194
WOAH GLOWUP! Holyshit anon, I'm rooting for you!

>>42619160
confidence (honfidence?) is key.
There's an anon on this board (he even posted pics) with big tits who just lives as a woman but didn't change his ID and continues to call himself a dude.
My tits aren't huge but not small either. Just enough that I can get away with manmoding most of the time (and laugh when I malefail) but also to girlmode when I feel like it.
I am however slowly developing a feminine identity tho. If I end up she/her sometime in the future it'd be funny in itself (for me anyway) because I would have made it without even seriously trying.
>>42619167
>zoomers think it's extra over for lateshits because of how badly they age
This is absolutely true.
I thought it was a meme but over the last 2 years I'm seeing it IRL how badly zoomies are aging.
In girlmode zoomers think I'm 25-26 (both the women and the men). They flat out don't believe me when I tell 'em that I'm a 36yo dude on hrt.

>>42619197
i am actually flattered.

i definitely dress somewhat boymodeish but thats because at my job im dissecting elk or owls or deer shot by poachers and so im in usually my rodeo T from my bronc riding days and my bell bottoms.

>>42619213
i can respect this and wish the best for you anon

i also get clocked way down from my age range like tops 22. jaws hit the floor at the bar when i say im 30 going 31 this year

primarily i think cause we have lived life in the present and not forming and growing roots chronically in online spaces and identities thrown into shows or forums.

>>42619208
rooting for you too i appreciate it a ton i dont deserve to be a luckshit but i count the blessings.

>>42619285
>not forming and growing roots chronically in online spaces and identities thrown into shows or forums
I'm sure that helps, yes. Like,... I still don't have a smartphone.
In 2005 I was clocked as "chronically online" because I spent 3-4hrs/day on average on my computer. Today I'm some weirdo who is not online for the exact same behavior lol.
Fucking around online is fun but I simply can't understand those who can't/won't log off or allow this to replace their real lives.

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>>42619320
fair but id say that warrants some understanding, the internet was a new age renaissance, staying glued to your computer screen on boards and forums of like minded people with actual aoplicable interests no matter what it was made sense.

but bedrotting eating takis all day and going to clubs and ordering door dash then doomscrolling tiktok feels like a murder scene and the internet is the victim

>>42619392
I get what you're saying. Yes, the Internet is far more goyslop now than it was 20 years ago.
What I don't get is why so many youngsters refuse to adapt. And even lots of the old(er) people too.
Like... I watched IRL perfectly normal people my age or slightly older turn from functional normies to brainwashed zombies on those smartphones and tiktok. Kinda scary, desu.
And they call me brainwormed for shooting up estrogen lol. At least I get a benefit from washing my brain with estrogen.

>>42619213
>Just enough that I can get away with manmoding most of the time (and laugh when I malefail) but also to girlmode when I feel like it.
This is literally what I've been doing except at this point, I've come to realize that manmoding isn't a thing as women can wear most clothes without it necessarily being considered unusual. I still semi-ironically call myself a manmoder but I guess at this point it's mostly a sense of style that I have in combination with having a body that just doesn't work well for being able to wear most women's clothes.

>>42619828
>semi-ironically call myself a manmoder
Yeah. I just used the term that's most likely to be understood on this board.
IRL I definitely don't use this kind of terminology but rather use androgynous or w/e.
The thing is that there are longer term effects of hrt on the body that rarely are talked about because people either stop after 5 years or go stealth as trannies and no longer engage with the community.
Even 10+ years in there are still subtle and continuous changes. And the more time goes on, the more I malefail even while I'm not seeking that at all (tho not against it either). I might end up having to embrace she/her in public for practicality reasons. I don't wanna always have to explain "well, you know, I'm a dude but I look like a girl because I like the aesthetics..." - it gets tiresome.
It's somewhat funny because I'm living the tranny dream (being gendered female even in a hoodie these days) and I didn't even aim for this. I'm considering getting a boymoder hoodie just for the amusement, kek.
>having a body that just doesn't work well for being able to wear most women's clothes
Tailoring, my friend.
I thought I'd never wear a dress because they always stood weirdly. Then I found an older tailor lady (a tranny recommended her to me) and by god she makes awesome dresses for basically any body type.

>>42619846
>Tailoring, my friend.
Oh good point, I've mostly been buying my basic clothes from Amazon Essentials, and more recently, from Uniqlo after my friend introduced me to it, but in Asian Uniqlo stores I usually have to get women's XL which just barely fits me or men's M for tops and L for things like pants. And with shoes it's so depressing because my size is 27cm and they flat out don't have those sizes for women, like you pretty much have to buy unisex or men's shoes.
>The thing is that there are longer term effects of hrt on the body that rarely are talked about because people either stop after 5 years or go stealth as trannies and no longer engage with the community.
Ah yeah, I've been on HRT for 15 years at this point and had FFS along with a few revisions.
>Even 10+ years in there are still subtle and continuous changes. And the more time goes on, the more I malefail even while I'm not seeking that at all (tho not against it either).
Yeah I find that's the case as well, especially with age and weight fluctuations.
>getting a boymoder hoodie
Nah nona, don't, it's so cringe, I genuinely feel like the boymoder stuff is the 4chan equivalent of those reddit babytrans people buying those toy sharks, or maybe it's more appropriate to those reddit 4chan-adjacent spaces with really young users, but for us, as 30-something year old troons, it just feels, weird. But maybe I'm wrong and maybe I'm just being overly judgmental.

>>42619897
>size is 27cm
Zalando.de routinely has EU42-43 women's sizes.
Gabor (Danish store) also has them.
Schuhplus.de and horsch-schuhe also has women's big size.
Usually German and Dutch stores have them because, well, their women are tall.
I wear EU41-42 size so that's why I know these things.
Here's what I recently got - https://en.zalando.de/anna-field-ankle-boots-black-an611n0b3-q11.html?size=43
They even have up to size 45.
I don't know if they deliver globally (I am in the EU), but it's worth a shot.
>had FFS
Really lucked out on that. Didn't need it so far. But I will probably need it if I want to hagmaxx in my 40s haha.
>I've been on HRT for 15 years
12 in my case. "lateshit" by this board's standards. I had no expectations other than softer skin and the neurological effects. For some weird reason, my brain works better on estrogen. Dunno why.
>boymoder hoodie
>it's so cringe
I know, right? That's why I'm tempted. I can even do cringe better than most of these youngshits.
It's quite annoying that trooning is now regarded as youngshit coded. Why shouldn't I have some fun too?
>toy sharks
Yeah, I'm with you on that one. Way too cringe at any age, imo.
>I'm just being overly judgmental
You're a bit more feminine than me with the judgy bitch outlook.
I'm kidding. I'm just amused by the whole situation. Brainwormed troons try hard for a decade and most fail. You and me didn't try hard and didn't obsess over the results and got better outcomes while having fun. It just goes to show that prioritizing fun is better.

>>42611100
I pass and date straight guys, life is good

>>42611100
I don't hate myself anymore. I found myself a good man that makes me feel loved and pretty.
If I listen to this retarded board, then omg my measurements are horrible, my skeleton doesn't pass, [insert autistic ratio measurement].. it doesn't matter.
Dress for your body type and age. Work with what you have. Try to find yourself a good partner. Try to squeeze some happiness out of the life you have left