>>42626515
we want your bussy but you're too fucking annoying to deal with.

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>>42626515
chuds are all just seething incels who literally can't stand that normal people get laid but they don't

>>42626515
right wing views attract and retain the retarded and socially inept like sticky sugary fly paper

>>42626515
most are just victims of targeted propaganda and psyops, like a lot of people in modern society unfortunately

>>42626579
You’re a normal person for sure. I’m glad you can also pull humor from this.

>>42626515
they aren't dating me

I'm chuddy on immigration and gun control but not most other things. I think a lot of leftists are way too lax about the importance of free speech though.

Personally I support my country having a larger military but I'm not American and dislike interventionism, so it makes more sense here.

>>42626515
tds and not getting laid rotting their brains.

I love chuds. They're really sweet boys.

>>42626860
>t. Couldn’t get laid so he started female hormones

I want trans people put to death.

>>42626972
Thank you mommy

>>42626615
Mhm maybe, I don’t consider myself a chud anymore but I found /pol/ at 15 and I hate myself everyday for it
>>42626515
I hate threads like this because I don’t want to be reminded just give people the benefit of the doubt

>>42626605
Why

>>42627004
Why? What does it matter to you how we choose to live our lives?

>>42627063
It doesn’t they are just baiting you anon. Personally I hated trans people because that is what everyone was doing so I didn’t want to seem like an outcast

>>42626745
Not yet I'm not
>>42626972
<3

>>42626805
I hate right wingers and transphobes but if being anti-immigration makes me a chudette then I guess I am

>>42627091
>Not yet I'm not
fix it

>>42627041
right wing ideologies address legitimate problems with roughshod, quippy, simple answers that require such low processing power to understand that they easily fester into positive feedback loops
i.e. these are retarded people who believe in shit like the inferiority of black people and when they hear about a crime, they imagine it was a black person who did it, and even if it wasn't, their imagined scenario has already worked to reinforce and justify their racism

>>42626972
Uhhhhhhhhh I wish

>>42627274
I was like that but I did good in school. Explain that huh

When I see PoC crying over racism I sincerely try to comfort them and raise their self-esteem, I don't think their cultures or bodies/minds are inferior. But if I had the power I'd still support instituting absolute Germanic dominance over all other forms of life and reducing brown people to pets, with numbers controlled by castration. I would even enslave my own friends and gloat to them about it.

>>42627284
the ability to do well at rote memorization and exams doesn't correlate with social/emotional intelligence

>>42627041
Right wing ideology appeals to humanity's strongest impulses: fear and hate. Fear of change, hate against minorities.
Whereas the left wing ideology appeals to a much more nuanced feeling: empathy for underdogs.

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>>42627294
jnasdjnfha

>>42627175
It does. You don't want to be treated like you treat immigrants

>>42627274
>right wing ideologies address legitimate problems with roughshod, quippy, simple answers that require such low processing power to understand that they easily fester into positive feedback loops
As opposed to leftists lmao
>release every prisoner!!
>nO pErSOn iS iLLeGaL
>why can't we just stop fighting?

>>42627322
you're simply too retarded to understand leftist ideologies beyond the exact quippy, roughshod, simple answers i referred to

>>42627322
You're proving their point by reducing your intellectual adversaries to such absurd caricatures.

>>42627319
Countries shouldn't treat native citizens the same as outsiders because people aren't interchangeable, astounding concept I know
Also most third world countries are even harsher to migrants, the current backlash was inevitable

>>42627294
giwtwm...

>>42627240
US? EU?

>>42627333
I've studied multiple leftists ideologies and spent time in their circles, I used to be one myself. In the long run I decided they were mostly horrible.
>>42627340
Slogans aren't caricatures. Prison abolition, open borders, and pacifism are all real ideologies and not good ideas.

>>42627308
I have bad memorization I just remembered how the thing works
But yeah I sadly lack emotional intelligence and that gives me a lot of pain

>>42627363
us

>>42627309
The problem is that I feel like I am a an underdog yet no one has empathy for me and it makes me bitter

>>42627346
That's a very selfish way of thinking about birthright citizenship, and it has its own merits.
However, as a tranny, a member of a persecuted minority, your life depends on the kindness and tolerance of others. If you country ever treated you like you want immigrants to be treated, you'd have a bad time.

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>>42627367
>I've studied multiple leftist ideologies
>I used to be one myself

>>42627381
What makes you an underdog and how has this world treated you?

>>42627393
I’m a sperg whose mom was mean to him and uh my family is poor

>>42627374
Sad

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>>42627367
>I used to be one myself
What are the horrors of left wing ideology and what are the things you like about the alternatives?

>>42627383
Kindness and tolerance except for chuds. This is fucking why I have never in my life had that

>>42627399
kms

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>me reading this thread as a chudette with a chud husband
Most chuds are either reppers or ashamed chasers.

>>42627397
Being poor and neurodivergent are definitely underdog status that grant you protection under the lefty umbrella.
Are you that anon whose mom used to talk shit about how all men are bad all the time?

>>42627404
Nothing. Leftists are confused and self loathing.

>>42627416
Well I never felt that never once in my fucking life because I suck and dating and no my mom is closer to an insane right wing conspiracy theorists but my hatred for her didn’t let me for becoming that aswell and I still fucking blame her for me becoming that

>>42627406
Should we be kind and tolerant to those who are mean and intolerant towards us? That's the paradox of tolerance

>>42627383
>That's a very selfish way of thinking about birthright citizenship
This is like saying families have no right to prioritise their own blood children over strangers. I don't care. My people have lived in Europe for thousands of years, and our nations are rightfully our own. Any outsiders who disagree should be met with the harshest force because they're trying to alienate us from our homeland and displace us. Land itself shapes people to having traits where they belong.
>However, as a tranny, a member of a persecuted minority, your life depends on the kindness and tolerance of others.
Weak mindset. We should demand respect, like Muslims. Anything good in life is earned through strength, directly or indirectly.

>>42627423
Can you expand on that? Why are lefties self loathing?

>>42627392
Yes? Not seeing the contradiction here unless you're saying I was literally an ideology.

>>42627367
>Slogans aren't caricatures
Those sentences aren't leftist slogans though, just gross exaggeration. The type of simpleton perspective that you were called out for.
The right wing "tough on crime" facade is reserved for the poor, they have no qualms about voting for a criminal if he is a billionaire.

>>42627432
Yes, because if you are kind and tolerant to them they will be kind and tolerant back you literally said it yourself. Unless you think chuds are genetic anomalies

>>42627397
poverty is manufactured to keep people in perpetual misery and dependent on the state
where you are born and what tax bracket your family sits is in is easily the most reliable predictive tool for life satisfaction and success
no one should be born into poverty. capitalism is economic social darwinism where fitness trends with the number of people living in squalor

>>42627410
I'm definitely the second. Where'd you meet him? I hope you're happy.

>>42627404
>What are the horrors of left wing ideology
The way they apologise for dictatorships, ethnic cleansing, terror, censorship, criminals etc. so long as they're on the "right side"... which in practice just means shilling for non western nationalists and mob violence.
In general I find they really love bedroom social engineering and act callous or dismissive about the consequences.

>>42627440
>I was one myself followed by the most obtuse oversimplification of left wing ideology from a chud's perspective
I see you didn't do your homework back in those lefty days. We, leftists, proud ourselves for our intellectual superiority and theoretical basis.

>>42627455
Yeah too late I’m already radicalized on capitalism or whatever. Look you could teach people that if you didn’t focus on the cringe gay shit okay?

>>42627346
>most third world countries are even harsher to migrants
No they're not. Most third world countries, you can get inside without any visa and just stay as long as you feel like since these are countries where no one is moving to.
>Right winger and misinformation
Match made in heaven.

>>42627453
>tough on crime is a slogan but "no person is illegal" isn't
At least be honest
And no, prison abolition isn't a gross exaggeration of anarchist tendencies. This is part of why I find leftists confusing. Half the time they can't even acknowledge extreme currents within their own beliefs
I agree that the right is too emotionally punitive at points

>>42627458
>Where'd you meet him?
Boring story. Met at a concert, wanted a good fuck. The afterglow turned into an all night chatting. Met again. And again. And at some point "hey, wouldn't it be easier if you just move in?"
>I hope you're happy.
Together for 13 years, married for 10.
We both lucked out on each other.

>>42627473
>if you didn’t focus on the cringe gay shit
Do you know where you are?
Inadvertently you admit that what binds right wingers together is lgbtphobia.

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>>42627432
You tell me

>>42627473
US republican lawmakers proposed over 10,000 bills targeting trans people or codifying definitions sex/gender in 2024
who is focusing on the gay cringe shit?

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am i a chud if i find the shartynormalfag/pepe/manoverse shit and asswipe nihilist politics ontologically disgusting, and really want the world to be a better kinder place for everyone, but am really lonely and sad, am fairly misanthropic, and sometimes think about (not say or externalize) systematic transgender genocide
>>42626605 >>42627274
this goes for extreme ideology and people in general, you would get it if you've been around different college campuses to understand that desperate fiery and kinda messed up people get into slothful things, constantly

>>42627477
>Most third world countries, you can get inside without any visa and just stay as long as you feel like since these are countries where no one is moving to.
For you as a westoid. Now check immigration/permanent residence conditions for their neighbors.
And you betcha that if one million Europeans move to Morocco, then suddenly Morocco will tighten the rules.
>>42627473
>I’m already radicalized on capitalism
Trannies in particular should be gigacapitalism.
Globalized capitalism made DiY possible and affordable.

>>42627478
>prison abolition isn't a gross exaggeration
It is because that's not a concrete measurement that left wing politicians are working on in any practical sense, unlike public health care or taxation of great fortunes.
The idea that leftists want to simply abolish prisons and dismantle the rule of law is just another gross, gippy and simple-minded take you got from right wing sources that greatly distort what leftism is all about.

>>42627464
The slogans I repeated aren't even the worse sentiment I heard from anarchists, maoists, MLs, post-colonials etc. Of course socdems are more moderate, by definition. But they're more liberal than leftist, and hard leftists tend to consider them fascists lmao.

>>42627486
>Happily married
>Shitposting on 4chan at night
Your bed is empty, darling.

>>42627500
Poor pooor black LGBT people. How often you forget they exist when you advocate for racism.

>>42627478
>This is part of why I find leftists confusing. Half the time they can't even acknowledge extreme currents within their own beliefs
i believe in prison abolition, for some reason rightoids think this means i want to just shut down all the prisons and let all the inmates go
prison abolition is the goal, not the praxis
it's like arguing with anti vegan retards who say shit like "so what? you just want to let all the cows die?"

>>42627503
Look relax I’m not a fucking chud anymore I changed I think stuff like that is a distraction from the real problem of capitalism but gosh you people need to be less fucking smug and confrontational. Seriously I was a /pol/ chud 100% I don’t even care to admit it. But like it just hurts I guess and it’s another reason on why I hate my mom so much. Like please please don’t make me angry about this stuff I’m tired of this I’m so fucking tired
>>42627487
Yes I’m in the /lgbt/ board anon wow almost as if I’m not a chud wow

>>42627478
>Half the time they can't even acknowledge extreme currents within their own beliefs
This is another example of you accusing the left of something the right is doing.

>>42627544
>you people need to be less fucking smug and confrontational
Have you seen the way right wingers act?
This is just another example of right wing bias. Standards, decorum, persuasion are all reserved for us leftists who actually believe in words.
Meanwhile the right wing gets to be vitriolic, inflammatory, downright hateful, and you're blaming the victims for not having more charisma. Girl, bias. There's no winning on a rigged game.

>>42627477
Having a visa is not the same as becoming a citizen. Most Arab states have even harder pathways to citizenship than the West and treat South Asians, Filipinos, Blacks etc. like slaves. China has already few paths to being naturalized. Turkey has had multiple cases of torturing Syrian refugees. The southern border of Mexico is harsh unlike the North. Central Asia is extremely authoritarian and you cannot simply drop in. Russia will also watch arrivals and arrest them in horrible prison for flimsy reasons, many new migrants were sent to Ukraine. India has purges of border minorities regularly. Gangs in the darien gap sexually enslave migrants crossing from Colombia all the time.
>these are countries where no one is moving to.
Yes, we've established they're dogshit. Hence we shouldn't let them in.

>>42627546
I'm not right wing. I just dislike leftists. Obviously right wingers are full of loony horse shit like Qanon, Christian fundies, carnivore dieters, climate change denial, sovereign citizens, holocaust denial etc.

>>42627578
You are avoiding the main point: the USA immigration policy under trump is actively deporting any "illegal" it can find, with no care for any standards or criminal record. Families are being torn apart. People, hard working people, who have been here for decades are getting their lives bulldozed.
That's what the left wing disagrees with. Obama deported lots of people and so did biden. The difference is how it's conducted. Workers, law-abiding and honest immigrants are not being given a chance to prove their worth in this country.

>>42627573
Dude I’m not a fucking girl oh my fucking god just shut up. Look I don’t even know I came here for validation because I hated being a right winger but yeah I’m not getting that with you. For the love of god look I’m not a fucking right wing chud unless you like torturing me on this

>>42627523
It is empty. He is out on business trip until Thursday night. And I've always been a night owl and got back to this as soon as I opened my small business.
But will go to kitchen soon to do inventory on what ingredients are missing. Will wait for him with warm food :)

>>42627544
>you people need to be less fucking smug and confrontational
you can just close the tab bro. this is 4chan not a group therapy sesh, nothing you see on the internet is real and you shouldn't be taking anything anyone says here seriously, including what i'm saying now
listen to people you know irl, not on anonymous image boards, chuds come here every day to ragebait so i don't have the emotional capacity to kindly and gently explain why accusing the left of focusing on "the gay shit" is wildly inaccurate, if you want kindness don't look for it on a political 4chan thread, no one is going to spare you their anger when you say something stupid.

>>42627578
>Most Arab states have even harder pathways to citizenship than the West
But you can spend 30+ in their country "illegally" and never face any repercussions.
Be pragmatic about it, or spread more misinformation and half truths.

>>42627620
I have nobody I have fucking nobody to talk about this irl. But yeah sorry I do expect you to basically hold me tight while telling me I’m wrong sorry

>>42627534
>prison abolition is the goal, not the praxis
And what makes you think I haven't encountered multiple attitudes to praxis? Although to be frank, the more I tend to press abolitionists on realistic solutions, the less it actually sounds like abolition. In my experience many of them can't even really articulate their own beliefs in a concrete way. Many "decolonialists" have the same issue.

>>42627619
It's kinda sad you have to make all that up just to build an image that no one believes in

>>42627620
Look sorry yeah I said something stupid but anon the only persons I have all are fucking right wingers because that is what I built while in high school. look sorry for saying that I just want to be a good person

where are the chuds
this is a chudbait thread
i just see fags arguing about who the bigger pussy is

>>42627645
Nobody on the left is arguing seriously about abolishing prisons except for the most deranged lunatics without any influence in the movement.
What the left wing ideology preaches instead is that prisons fix the symptoms but not the root cause of violence and only infrastructural development and education can change it on the long term.
The right wing stance is completely immediate, oversimplifying and quite obtuse: arrrest more people now.
It makes a great advertisement for political campaigns but on the long term, these don't really work.
The countries with the lowest crime rates like Finland and Norway are famously ""soft on crime " by right wing standards

>>42627635
>But you can spend 30+ in their country "illegally" and never face any repercussions.
You can literally be kidnapped and enslaved and have zero recourse, honeypots like that happen all the time. Being able to physically exist somewhere isn't "being treated well". Marriage rights for non-Muslims and women's rights, lgbt rights etc. are also not equal. Even if you're born there you won't have full rights if both of your parents aren't Arab in many places.

Not to mention they often persecute domestic minorities like copts and Kurds much worse than the West, which has high profile instances of barely punishing Muslim rapists even when their home countries offered to.

>>42627663
It's not healthy for an LGBT person fo be surrounded by right wingers and conservatives like that. It's not about being a good person, anon. These right wingers feel as though they're the good ones. That's completely subjective.
It's about studying history and taking the stand against minority persecution and billionaires leeching off society.

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rightoids got propagandized into believing all immigration is bad
and lefties got propagandized into believing that illegal immigration is a good thing

ironically rightwing isolationism is what benefits hostile foreign governments the most
also ironically left's love for illegal immigration benefits no one but shady businesses that use undocumented workers for cheap labor

>>42627698
>You can literally be kidnapped and enslaved and have zero recourse
That still doesn't address the point that their immigration policy is more open than USA, and what you just described is a crime that happens in a poor disorganized country, not an official policy from the state
We are greatly distancing ourselves from the main point: trumps crack down on immigration being devoid of any empathy for hard working immigrants.

>>42627710
>ironically left's love for illegal immigration benefits no one
It benefits the immigrants who are running away from poverty, war and persecution. Please try to see these people as fellow humans.

>>42627647
You can imagine my kitchen inventory will be affected because anon on 4chan doesn't believe me.
>build an image
to/for whom? We're all anons here.

>>42627532
Trans chuds/chudettes exist too if that isn't obvious enough from this thread

>>42627708
I’m not fucking lgbt oh my god look I just like trans women. Look anon just hold me down okay, I’m bitter nobody ever cared for my plight as a lonely dude just that is all look it’s fine.

>>42627698
>Being able to physically exist somewhere isn't "being treated well". Marriage rights for non-Muslims and women's rights, lgbt rights etc. are also not equal. Even if you're born there you won't have full rights if both of your parents aren't Arab in many places.
What that has to do with America immigration policy? Arabic countries are not the only third world countries in the world. Their misdeeds and injustice don't make trump's administration less bad.

>>42627685
>Nobody on the left is arguing seriously about abolishing prisons except for the most deranged lunatics without any influence
It's mainstream in anarchism
Also I think dismissing currents as deranged is a bit emotionally loaded, they're the ones who consider prisons deranged. To some extent I agree but that really says nothing about the acceptability of these ideas in their spaces
>What the left wing ideology preaches instead is that prisons fix the symptoms but not the root cause of violence and only infrastructural development and education can change it on the long term.
It can help, but genetics and cultural atomisation are also factors. The left tends to enable the latter with their deconstructionism.
>The countries with the lowest crime rates like Finland and Norway are famously ""soft on crime " by right wing standards
Japan has even lower crime while being harsher, although I don't really agree with their methods, but it's not my country. Also Scandinavian states being too soft is a major incentive for male refugees to practice rape anyway. It's pathetic. Sweden was literally paying them thousands to leave at one stage kek, like that isn't a perverse incentive.
Also, for all of their flaws, most Muslim states do not have murder rates anywhere near Latin America which has no life sentences

>>42627750
nta
How many immigrants are YOU willing to house in your house and at your personal expense?
Who gives a shit they're "fellow humans"? The one million Afghans deported by Pakistan on foot in 2025 (literally trail of tears shit) were also fellow humans. Nobody, and I mean nobody, gave a single fuck because everyone (correctly) observed that deporting illegals is objectively a good thing.
But oh no, heaven forbid first world countries start doing the same.

>>42627617
>I came here for validation because I hated being a right winger
Then why are you continuing to defend their points?
Validation seeking is a very infantile thing, no wonder you found that aplenty on the right wing circles.
Just state your beliefs, opinions and stances and be judged accordingly by all, those who agree and those who disagree. Your self esteem must come from within

>>42627604
What is that you dislike about the left?
If you hated right wing ideology, why did you spend so much time in it?

>>42627750
the system cant even provide for the americans that are already here
making everyone in the world an american wont make things better for anyone

>>42627578
>we've established they're dogshit. Hence we shouldn't let them in.
This is the quintessential right wing selfishness in full display: people are stuck living in dogshit countries with all the problems you mentioned
And you close the door on their face when they come running away for a better chance at life.

>>42627663
you don't need to apologize anon, i post stupid shit on the internet on a daily basis, and it's not like i'm talking to people irl or doing praxis either, i'm an agoraphobic tranny on 4chan for fucks sake
the vitriol many of us have for chuds is pretty toxic but for most of us its not because we deny chuds humanity or the ability to be good people, i believe most people are good at heart which is part of why i lash out at chuds, they take advantage of vulnerable people and poison them with ideas that make it harder to find acceptance in a "normal" social life, which is already hard enough as a gay or trans person

>>42627795
What point? Look all I said was this
>>42627454 so idk I’m sorry but I don’t want to be a fucking right winger like idk im not anti immigration that would be stupid

>>42627515
The "slogans" you repeated are fringe opinions that not at all represent the majority of left wing consensus.
We don't want to abolish prisons, nor borders. We want more justice, not less.
Leaving migrants hanging outside when they're running away from poverty and war is not justice

>>42627822
nta but YES.
They are stuck in dogshit countries because THEY MADE THEM dogshit.
They should make a better life in their countries. The recipe is public. Nothing stops them from applying it.
Also, how many of these are YOU willing to house in your house and pay for them out of your family's budget?
Be the change you want to see, anon. Sponsor a third worlder to live on your property and at your personal expense.

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>>42627773
I'm not defending Trump.

>>42627729
Official policy about arrivals is not the only relevant factor in determining how migrants are treated, that's absurdly reductive, like saying North Korea is democratic. Read my original statement again:
>most third world countries are even harsher to migrants
Also despite what American leftists think, America is not the entire "west" or even a typical example of a western country really. It's barely even white.
>We are greatly distancing ourselves from the main point: trumps crack down on immigration being devoid of any empathy for hard working immigrants.
Are we defining people's worth by their economic productivity now? I don't think whites should live in America ideally. Most countries should be like 90% native minimum.

>>42627510
>For you as a westoid. Now check immigration/permanent residence conditions for their neighbors.
Does that justify trump's policy on immigration? That's the core of the issue.
Should america be more like these countries that mistreat immigrants?

>>42627822
>And you close the door on their face when they come running away for a better chance at life.
Yes?
Like I'm supposed to care about them just because they come for money lmao. Especially when half the time they act extremely nepotistically and brag about how they want to take over Western countries, basically overtly identifying themselves as hostile invaders.

>>42627831
What is praxis anon what is that I’m not that deep into your stuff so I have zero idea what that means but I’m guessing it’s just spreading leftists ideology to the masses or something. Anyway this stuff just hits close home because I was a chud and I live with the aftermath of being angry all the time and it just sucks. I don’t know like it just sucks because I want to be a good person but I just feel tainted because at the end of the day I’m a very bitter and angry person even if I don’t believe in like racism and other stuff like that anymore. It is kind of silly looking for validation in 4chan but yeah it feels nice because I have only one other person to talk about this and they aren’t irl

>>42627845
Wait until they start saying Western countries are only good because of imperialism
>It's Europe's fault my landlocked dictatorship with open defecation is poor!!!
Kek

>>42627460
>The way they apologise for dictatorships
The right wing also does that a lot and they vouch for much worse dictatorships.
Under trump, USA is looking a lot more like a dictatorship actually.
>Ethnic cleansing
Like Israel genociding Palestine with the right wing unwavering support while the left protested against it?
>Criminals
The right wing literally voted a criminal into presidency. They love billionaire criminals. They only hate poor thugs.
>Non Western nationalists
What happened the last time western nationalists got power?
>Mob violence
Like ICE becoming trump's gestapo?
What do you define as bedroom social engineering?
Your points against the left are just hypocrisy glossing over the right much greater flaws.

>>42627864
>Does that justify trump's policy on immigration?
Yes. In fact Trump is not going far enough.
Employers of illegals should also be jailed, their business seized and the assets used to fund ICE even better.
20 million illegals in the country. Those won't deport themselves. ICE needs funding. Time to take it from those funding the problem to begin with.
>Should america be more like these countries that mistreat immigrants?
America should be like Dubai. Zero path to naturalization for at least a century.
Citizenship should only be awarded if both parents are American and the child is born in the US (this is the law in Finland for instance).
It's not "mistreatment" to deport illegals. It's justice and rule of law.
The status quo is gross mistreatment of native citizens. But you don't seem to care about your fellow Americans. Like most leftoids, you hate your fellow Americans and place the well-being of distant foreigners who hate you above your people. Disgusting and hateful!

>>42627767
Chasers are honorary members of the LGBT.
What turned you against the right wing? You have like all the prerequisites to being one

>>42627894
>Wait until they start saying Western countries are only good because of imperialism
Nonsense.
Singapore was a dump merely 50 years ago. South Korea also. UAE was a shithole too.
Also, can you name the Finnish empire? Or the imperialist crimes of Sweden or Norway in the last 200 years? Oh, wait, Norway isn't even 200 years old as a nation.
Maybe something about Polish imperialism? How about Swiss?
Every single leftoid argument is a lie or emotional manipulation. Eastern Europe has it right by banning leftism (international socialism) alongside national socialism. These people are insane. And the insane belong in jail or psychwards.

>>42627901
>What happened the last time western nationalists got power?
You misunderstand this sentence. I'm talking about communists shilling for the PRC, Ukraine war, Assad etc.

Anyway, I don't support Trump or Israel and I don't consider Israel to be western. I think you're strawmanning a bit anon.

>>42627784
>It's mainstream in anarchism
But anarchism is not mainstream, and it's definitely not prominent in left wing circles. You are taking fringe opinions and framing them as official directives from the left.
Don't do that. Don't be a simpleton. Argue against actual points. Destroying prisons isn't one of them

>>42627920
Because I was one dummy. I just found trannies made my pp hard and like it made me reconsider stuff. It’s more complicated than that but that is a big part. I also just didn’t like feeling angry all the time aswell that kinda sucked

>>42626515
We're literally just asking you to not chop your benus

>>42627816
>the system cant even provide for the americans that are already here
It can, it's just that billionaires are leeching you off. America has enough money to afford much more.
The right wing solution? Put a billionaire into power

>>42627945
Not true since most trannies don't do that and you're still against them transitioning at all

>>42627931
>and it's definitely not prominent in left wing circles
Disagree, it's the second major leftist current alongside communism and often merges with it.

>>42627940
>Chud deradicalized by trannies
My my, would you look at that. I'd give you a kiss if I could

>>42627973
Wow thank you anon you just made my day. Now I feel silly looking for validation because you just made me happy tenfold than any validation would

>>42627962
Your view of left wing policymaking is severely distorted by fringe online groups that do not represent a realistic approach to leftism.
There's no left wing ideology on earth that would go as far as banning prisons and abolishing borders.
This is the oversimplified simpleton take.
You can disagree with leftist policies without resorting to that absurdism

>>42627931
You're acting like the left has official directives which Scotsman out obviously shit leftist ideas from criticism because they don't represent you personally. It's weird cope ngl. As if leftists aren't inherently fractured

>>42627980
Usually it's the other way around, people flocking to the right because of trannies, specially men who chase after them.
Seeing you is like a breeze of fresh air. I would literally give you an award congratulating you for your journey.
But our validity must come from within always, we can never rely on other people for that. One way or the other, there are millions against you at all times,left or right. Your convictions and inner moral compass can't depend on others

>>42627982
>You can disagree with leftist policies without resorting to that absurdism
nta but this thread is full of absurdism of anything to the right of Leninist globohomo.
Comparing law enforcement with gestapo, calling rule of law (which requires deportation of illegals) "mistreatment of migrants", and so on.
To such absurdist nonsense there are only two answers: equal absurdist or simply calling y'all insane and work towards outlawing you (my preference, desu).
Eastern Europe has it right where leftism is banned under extremist ideology acts alongside national socialism, islamism (which leftists also love) and dangerous cults.

>>42627982
>Your view of left wing policymaking is severely distorted by fringe online groups that do not represent a realistic approach to leftism.
Why are you acting like policy-making is the only legitimate venue for disagreement now? I disagree that online rhetoric is fringe in the modern day, anyway. It's the primary vector of political discourse and tends to regurgitate ideas that already existed in pre-internet academia and political literature anyway.
>There's no left wing ideology on earth that would go as far as banning prisons and abolishing borders.
So first it's fringe and now it's non-existent? I hear that sentiment literally all the time in my circles.

>>42627993
Would it be fair for me to say that right wingers want extermination camps for minorities? Many of them do, but is that a realistic policy being chased down by right wingers as of today?
Saying that would be a gross misrepresentation of the most agreed upon, practical consensus of the right. It would be intellectually dishonest of me to pretend that all right wing ideology boils to this.

>>42628014
>Would it be fair for me to say that right wingers want extermination camps for minorities?
At this point yeah. Human beings are pretty horrible and usually their spoken opinion is a step down from their real beliefs.
>It would be intellectually dishonest of me to pretend that all right wing ideology boils to this.
All? Yes. But you'd be naive to deny the general trend. Even some decolonial ideologies support ethnic cleansing, that's the entire point of Decolonization Is Not A Metaphor and The Wretched Of The Earth.

>>42628006
>this thread is full of absurdism of anything to the right of Leninist globohomo.
Such as?
>Comparing law enforcement to gestapo
ICE comes out as masked thugs in the streets, kidnapping people without due process, and their body count is 2 as of now. I agree it's an unfair comparison with the 1939 gestapo, but what about the 1933 SS? they started somewhere. The parallel exists.
>Deportation of immigrants is the rule of law
It doesn't make it any less cruel. Slavery was once the rule of law. Unjust laws ought to be called out. Deporting illegals who have worked here for years and build families here with honest effort and no crime? Sending them back to war torn shitholes? That's just cruelty

>>42627887
praxis is combining theory and action
dw so much about what losers like us say on the boards always remember if they're here they aren't happy

>>42627998
>Your convictions and inner moral compass can't depend on others

This is obviously true but I just feel like if I made a bad choice such as going into /pol/ and like believing in the stuff then it is a pretty broke compass. But yeah the desire for someone to tell you everything to do will never be fulfill. At most I will just have a person who can guide me and explain stuff. Anyways it’s kinda crazy because I expected stuff like what happened to me to be the norm but I guess not.

>>42628029
I love your alarmist take that the right is serious about doing another holocaust, this time with immigrants and queers alone. But as of today, that's far on the horizon. At least a few years ahead.
Focusing on that would actually diminish the concrete current policies that can be criticized today without extrapolations.
Criticizing the right wing for possible future genocides is as dishonest as criticizing the left for "abolishing prisons" that are very much standing still.

>>42628036
Anon, if you're saying unlimited foreigners can walk into a country and should never be removed, you're basically telling the natives they shouldn't have a place where they belong and it's fine for them to be outnumbered in their own country. That's bound to get hostility because its monumentally stupid and alienating. Places like Paris look like shit now and like 70-80% of the native French just want things back to the way they were.

>>42628052
Acting like you can only criticize existing policies and not ideas is stupid as fuck, since it was the rise of "unthinkable" ideas like remigration that made ICE in its current form possible.

>>42628006
>calling rule of law (which requires deportation of illegals) "mistreatment of migrants", and so on.
Rule of law includes due process. Trump has sent innocent people to el Salvador prisons only to undo that after months of backlash. Clearly immigrants are being mistreated, this is the reality, this no absurdism.

>>42628042
Nah you seem nice enough

>>42628067
The ideas you criticize do not represent the left wing ideology as a whole or the direction that a left wing administration would take.
You are engaging in a fallacy called strawman.
We might as well just perpetually bicker about the perceived virtual crimes of the left and right that are yet to be committed.
You also fail to address the complexity of the idea behind left wing take on prisons, which is to reduce crime through social investment instead of just building more prisons that get filled more quickly than you can build them.
You are once more arguing like a simpleton

>>42628054
>unlimited
That's the key word right there.
Between total blockade of immigrants and open borders, there is a reasonable amount of immigration allowed, specially those already working and building families in the country.

>>42628054
>you're basically telling the natives they shouldn't have a place where they belong
That's what colonization did actually.
You can belong to your country and share it with immigrants, by the way. These people are not aliens, they are humans who came to work for a better life.
The people who get hostile over this are the same people who got hostile at gays marching the streets of new York in 1969.
History will tell the rest

>>42628013
You are acting like leftists are really going to dismantle prisons, and that is simply not true. It's the equivalent of a person arguing against the right wing because they want black people to lose their freedom.
Is that a fair representation of right wing rhetoric?

>>42628013
>hear that sentiment literally all the time in my circles.
That sentiment is not enforceable, it's unpractical and you are severely misunderstanding the meaning behind it.
Open borders is obviously not literal, it just means better treatment for immigrants. Same with abolishing prisons.

>>42627928
>don't support Trump or Israel
As a right winger, you voted for him and would vote again. Your "support" is just the superficiality of your vows. Your actions speak louder.
Trump is the leader of the right wing after all

>>42627845
>They are stuck in dogshit countries because THEY MADE THEM dogshit.
That's just victim blaming, though. Citizens are not to blame for their countries becoming a stage in international wars of resources.
Everything wrong with the right wing ethos, you encapsulated in one post: you view these people as inferior, you blame the lack of prosperity of their countries on them and not much more complex circumstances, and you close the doors to your country when they literally have no where else to go, it's either migrate or face war, famine and desolation

>>42627845
>hey should make a better life in their countries. The recipe is public
Oh yes let the new generation of sudanese people shake off the dust real quick and just recover from centuries of war and exploitation and now a literal genocide.
What an ignorant take.

>>42626515
I don't have a cute tranny gf to cure my loneliness.

>>42627845
>how many of these are YOU willing to house in your house and pay for them out of your family's budget?
All of them. My taxpayer dollars will pay for it.
I am the change I want to see: I vote left and I dismantle /pol/ propaganda on the queer board

>>42628156
>That sentiment is not enforceable
It is if they change the demographics enough. Any protections that are put in place for minorities won't apply to whites so there's no point ever supporting them.
>Open borders is obviously not literal, it just means better treatment for immigrants
It literally is. Even libertarians defend it at points
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_migration
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_border

>>42628126
Leftists support massive migration even to countries with no history of imperialism, even by ethnicities like Mexicans, Iranians, Arabs, the Chinese, and Turks who had their own empires. It's bullshit but thanks for admitting you literally just support replacement.

>>42627894
You think wealthy countries got wealthy through sheer competence?
Are you also the kind of person who says billionaires worked hard for their money and deserve it?

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>constantly dehumanized for being White in America
>White women worshipping niggers and latinos because Jews have pumped constant SSRIs and kike propoganda into their dumb heads non stop
>denied more than half of all college scholarship opportunities because im a White male
>niggers and beaners given them non stop

Huh I wonder why

>>42627927
>Finnish
>Beginning in the 1890s, Finnish-born settlers operated in the mining industry in the Katanga Province of Belgian Congo,[13][14] and in the 1920s, many Finns sought to colonize Ovamboland due to the achievements of the Finnish Evangelical Lutheran Mission, which had converted much of Ovamboland to Lutheranism.[15][7]
>According to the anthology Finnish Colonial Encounters, Finnish people have been able to "claim innocence and non-involvement in European colonialism and colonialist practices" given their own history of being victimized by Swedish and Russian imperialism, a notion the authors refer to as "Finnish exceptionalism". The authors argue that Finnish people were "undeniably involved in the colonial world, with Finns adopting ideologies and identities that cannot easily be disentangled from colonialism"
Every right wing talking point is a lie or a gross misrepresentation of history. It's why it's the party of religion

>>42628236
>Any protections that are put in place for minorities won't apply to whites
But that's like just your delusional opinion, though. Not a fact.
Left wing policies won't destroy prisons or borders, but it might destroy the right wing propaganda machine that has been raping your mind for centuries

>>42626515
ppl that don't have much going for them and don't have much in the way of their own goals tend to need groups to which they assimilate, some will distribute themselves into those groups

>>42628258
How are you dehumanized for being white? Sounds like being white is your snowflake identity

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>>42628237
>You think wealthy countries got wealthy through sheer competence?
They mostly did. Western Europe literally started the Industrial Revolution and basically created modern agriculture, medicine, aeronautics, chemistry, rocketry, electronics, computing, nuclear energy, antibiotics etc.
Even Western countries without empires like Ireland and Finland and Iceland are first world
Meanwhile, third world countries and people who had their own empires and created no comparable lasting wealth:
>Tibet
>Mexico
>the Khmer
>Ethiopia
>Turkey
>Iran
>Morocco
>Tunisia
>Peru
>Brazil
>Oman
>Mongolia
>Mali
I suppose they're just bad at investing
>Are you also the kind of person who says billionaires worked hard for their money and deserve it?
Depends. I would say technology and engineering is more productive than real estate for example.

>>42628236
Leftists support people, where right wing draws the line at some kind of people.
We are not pro immigration, we are pro immigrants. Learn the difference

>>42628236
You think you are being "replaced" because you don't view these people as your fellow human equals, which is the foundation of right wing ideology

>>42628315
>You think you are being "replaced" because you don't view these people as your fellow human equals
yea

>>42628236
You think you are being "replaced" because you don't view these people as your fellow human equals, which is the foundation of right wing ideology >>42628307
>third world countries and people who had their own empires
>Brazil
Did you know that the united states literally financed a 21 year dictatorship in brazil and other south American countries to keep leftists out of power, and they wrecked their economies and chances of prosperity in thw way?
You are so begrudgingly ignorant

>>42628307
Western nations literally sucked the resources of other countries dry, that's how they built lasting development. Just like billionaires
>It depends
It doesn't depend on anything, except for a billionaire bootlicking right winger who thinks fortune comes without exploitation

>>42628270
>>42628270
There's a difference between saying Finns lived in the Belgian Congo and saying that Finland had an empire anon. African troops fought for the British, so did Indians. It didn't mean they controlled the empire.
The Belgian Congo didn't even belong to Belgian people, it was the personal property of the King
>The authors argue that Finnish people were "undeniably involved in the colonial world
A statement that applies to literally everyone.
Bantus from the Congo themselves enslaved native pygmies and replaced Khoisan people in southern Africa

>>42628332
I'm fully aware of US interventions in Latam, it doesn't mean Brazil had no empire
Also, NTA but
>You think you are being "replaced" because you don't view these people as your fellow human equals, which is the foundation of right wing ideology
Equality is irrelevant. Other groups have ingroup preference. That's all they need to be dangerous really

>>42628346
>Western nations literally sucked the resources of other countries dry
You repeat this tired talking point, and yet the non-western empires I mentioned did not make their countries wealthy. Also European countries were wealthier even before invading and only became so after multiple waves of Spain, England, France etc. being invaded
With the exception of the Raj, most british colonies weren't profitable in the Victorian era, and the resources "taken" from India were mostly renewable, like spices, and could be regrown in a few years. They also only held high market value due to exchange rates and weren't necessarily as uncommon commodities outside the West

>>42628346
Australia was built almost entirely from local resources

>>42628285
LMAO you think whites are getting dei if they become a minority in the west?

>>42628408
They held a mining company in africa, do you think that's not exploitation? Don't be so ignorant to defend injustice where you see it

>>42628455
Making a few shekels is different to actually being a colonial power lol

>>42628408
>and the resources "taken" from India were mostly renewable
How convenient of you to not mention the tons of precious metals and stones they leeched off that country
Your whole ideology is basically making excuses for oppression while blaming the oppressed people who paid the price

>>42628461
They extracted resources from another country and pocketed the profits.
This represents how European super powers got to where they are today, and USA is an extension of that.
You have all these examples of wealthy nations exploiting poorer nations, and you still make excuses for it. Centuries passed but your ideology hasn't changed one bit fron crude imperialism.

>>42628455
There's a difference between saying ethnic Finns set up a company thousands of miles away and saying their country was an empire, or that their modern wealth is created by imperialism. Finland was barely even industrialised itself after WWII.
Liberia was populated and exploited by African-American settlers too but it'd be absurd to claim African Americans had an empire.

>>42628477
So did neighboring kingdoms. Rwanda is pillaging the Congo right now for minerals. Not that anon btw

>>42628408
>Equality is irrelevant
For a right winger maybe. Equality is everything. It shapes our everyday lives and it liberated minorities and abolished slavery.
You see them as dangerous because of the colour of their skin. That's the entire depth of your ideology

>>42628488
And that justify trump's policy on immigration because?
Sounds like we need to open our borders to all these Congolese people being exploited

>>42628477
>They extracted resources from another country and pocketed the profits.
Why wouldn't people working at a company get paid? That's entirely different from proving Finland as a modern nation built things like their modern technology industry off that wealth, they were still poor at home. I can't see any evidence that Finns ever controlled the Congolese government

People in colonies were also able to buy slaves and stocks in colonial extraction or trading companies. Arabs own mining companies in Australia today but I really doubt you'd call Australia a "colony" of Arabs.
>This represents how European super powers got to where they are today
Imagine calling Finland a fucking superpower lmao

>>42628482
Never said they were an empire, but they dirtied their hands on colonial exploitation, a fact that you seem determined to downplay.

>>42628503
I'm not a burger and idc about what they do but there's a reason borders n laws n shit exist
not to mention a lot of nations like Bulgaria/Bosnia flooded with migrants literally had no colonial history at all lol

>>42628518
I didn't say that Finland was a superpower, only that the superpowers of Europe enriched their pockets with resources from other nations, exploiting colonialism and local labourers while bedding the profits, just like Finland did with that mining company. Do you know how much money does a mine makes?

>>42628346
No that's China, India, & the Middle East.

>>42628528
>there's a reason borders n laws n shit exist
And leftist ideology is not about dismantling any of that, that's just a propagandist lie by right wingers

>>42628539
>Three places that were exploited and sucked dry of resources by Britain in the 19th century
Proving the point of your own ignorance

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>>42628548
The recent amnesty in Spain (which wasn't democratic, just put into law by force) was spearheaded by a leftist "decolonial" group. That is the goal.

>>42628537
no, why don't you tell us how much it made?

>>42628493
>You see them as dangerous because of the colour of their skin
China has pale skin, doesn't stop them from throwing Uyghurs in camps and ethnically replacing Tibetans. Why? Because they are Han people and favour other Han people. The best way for those groups to have autonomy would be to form a breakaway state. It is the same with the hutus and tutsis etc. Korea doesn't have this problem because they choose to remain majority Korean.

Their skin isn't dangerous because they're literally dark, it's dangerous because they favour their own group over mine, like anyone. When Indians take over a company, they hire other Indians. Same with Chinese and Jewish people. When black people commit a hate crime they attack asians, whites etc. Equality doesn't matter in practice because power vacuums will always be dominated by one of the competing groups existing in your nation, formally or informally. The more groups you have, the less likely the people who control your native ethnicity are your own, and then you lose control forever.

>>42628518
You have all these various examples of countries being fucked over by external interference and colonial greed and you still blame their own citizens for the state of disarray that their countries are currently in.
It's not simply selfish and deceitful, it's downright cruel which is the foundation of right wing ideology

>>42628556
The money generated from that operation never went to Congo's development, but to Finland's. That's all you need to know

>>42628519
I never said that no ethnic Finn ever had any part in colonialism, I said that standard is ridiculous and would logically implicate the entire world except maybe the Sentinelese. Also, the idea that modern Finns are "dirtied" over it is ridiculous. I notice you never called any of the non-white empires I mentioned to be stained in any way: because leftists have a general belief that whites are morally impure and non-whites aren't, regardless of the facts.

>>42628563
>it's dangerous because they favour their own group over mine
It's actually you who favours yours over theirs. It's you who are creating this animosity while simultaneously playing the victim.
So much of right wing ideology is just plain fakery and deceit

>>42628579
Ok, how much metal did they get from it? Must have been a noteworthy amount if it made them a rich country and made Africa poor forever.

>>42628590
>that standard is ridiculous and would logically implicate the entire world
No, only the countries that got rich while doing it.
>Whites are morally impure
Another strawman, an absurdism you conjure because you can't argue with the actual leftist point: there may as well be other empires and other ethnicities that committed imperialistic crimes against humanities. The reason why we "focus" on Europe is because we are westerners living under the west sphere of influence, being completely dominated by the majorly white USA and its iron fist. Their crimes are closer to us than any other.
How do you expect us to rate the other side of the world when you can't even rate your own backyard?

>>42628593
You can be sure that the billions in precious resources extracted from India, went to fund Britain's development, while indians literally starved