I hate it!

>>42768159
this is somewhat true

>>42768498
it's 100% true the only people who deny it are people who think they can benefit from simping for foids

>>42768521
i think there is a slightly more dominant social problem

>>42768159
Actually true. Especially trans women who are more male aligned in sexuality (like I am, still hold very close to my heart being a fag), and as such are male exclusive and gay cis men (aka the two groups that least care about cis women, and have the least in common with them) end up suffering from this the most.

>>42768542
transitioning is an act of malice against male nature regardless of whatever rhetoric you spew behind the acts

>>42768806
it doesn’t matter what you think it is, I will keep fucking hairy male ass and take my estrogen shots and I don’t care about your opinion anon.

>>42768821
until the government takes away your estrogen

>>42768967
I don’t use “government” estrogen and I got a stash, don’t worry, I’ll keep pounding masc ass as a faggot tranny for a long while. <3

>>42768978
they can seize your stash

>>42768999
they can’t thankfully, private property is a real thing. Even if it weren’t, no matter how much you cope, estrogen is easy to get (if you know the right people). I WILL keep eating man ass. >:3

>>42769018
guns > private property

>>42769025
I’m not an ameritard xP

>>42768159
That little blue guy is so cute. He's like
>Aaah, nooo!

>>42769036
makes no difference, the American army can fly or sail anywhere

>>42770146
ur sooo annoying, I'm not going to stop fucking hairy guy ass xP

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>>42768528
philosemitism

>>42770158
that's not the issue...

>>42768159
I've actually been thinking about this for a while. Most of the hatred for MtF's comes from a place of misandry, I always felt.
>They're PERVERTED MEN trying to rape women in the bathroom! Because that's what demented men do!
>They're groomers trying to rape your child with their FETISH! Because that's what demented men do!
>They're men who can't make it as a man! So they try to become women as a copout!
90% of why people hate trannies always feels like it stems back to some reason like that. Also why I always thought that FtM's have it a lot easier in terms of transphobia, because the ones that don't stealth are just thought of as women, and women aren't inherently rapist monsters like men are.
I never understood why the LGBT movement doesn't try to deal with misandry at all, and only really seems to care about misogyny. Toxic masculinity is misandrist as absolute fuck, yet it's framed as a misogyny issue, which I always thought just alienated dudes who would otherwise think "hey this issue actually affects me too! I should care about it!"

>>42770389
misandry is commonly reframed as misogyny to avoid scrutiny

>>42770435
Which is just stupid and alienating, imho

>>42770594
women want men to feel as alienated as possible from society so they won't rebel and will just quietly slave away because they feel helpless to do anything else

women do not care about the issues men face

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>>42769018
Your estrogen stash is not private, but personal property.
>>42770201
The “issue” exists entirely inside your head.
>>42770389
True…

>>42770638
OKAY MARX IDC BRO ITS MINE ITS WHAT I MEAN BAKA

>>42770638
what an uggo

>>42768159
>boys don't cry
Reminder anyone that says they oppose this is doing a shittest to hold anytime you cry against you.

>>42770994
TRVKE

foids are privileged above men in all instances

>>42770389
That's what I've been saying! I had a conversation in a tranny thread about it like a couple months back, and the term they use to describe this is not misandry, but "transmysogyny". It's still misandry in my view. But if they call it that, feminsim implodes, so it's trans mysogyny. It's "I can't believe it's not mysogyny" mysogyny. Kek.

>>42772024
misogyny isn't real, we have a whole host of implicit and explicit social systems designed in place just to elevate women above men

>>42772024
Feminism absolutely would still work with misandry being a thing, hell it would probably be a lot more successful as a movement if they acknowledged it, but the problem is a LOT, and I really do mean a shitass load of feminists are just hardcore misandrists, the same way a lot of MRA's are hardcore misogynists.
So they'll do the most insane mental gymnastics to claim it's not real, like inventing BS terms like transmisogyny, or that if it is real, it somehow affects women the worst or that men deserve it. It's a bit crazy.
The only reason feminism WOULDN'T work with while acknowledging misandry is because a lot of those menhera feminist types would lose their absolute fucking shit, and if you called transmisogyny misandry, probably like 75% of all feminists would suddenly become TERF's

>>42772247
>misogyny isn't real, we have a whole host of implicit and explicit social systems designed in place just to elevate women above men
It's real, just not everywhere.
>>42772367
>Feminism absolutely would still work with misandry being a thing, hell it would probably be a lot more successful as a movement if they acknowledged it, but the problem is a LOT, and I really do mean a shitass load of feminists are just hardcore misandrists, the same way a lot of MRA's are hardcore misogynists.
Sane take. And pretty much. It's really unfortunate too, because for feminism to really make any more progress in the western world, it needs to fix men's problems. Even if you're so utterly absurdly hyper focused on only women's issues, men having so many problems that aren't allowed to be addressed is just stagnating any progress for helping women be happy.

Feminists could be saying "okay, now that women control the workplaces, we need to start taking care of men and making sure they have a role in our lives now that they have no role anywhere else." At least mysogyny, when it was rampent, cared a great deal about the wellbeing of women, even if in a paternal oppressive degrading way. So, where's that maternal care for men from women, now that men are abandoned? Where's that sense of female superiority and thus pity and social movements for men? Where's the effort and funding in putting men into traditionally feminine roles and valuing them and not making fun of them or calling them faggots for it?

I think a lot of it is because men and women have opposite problems. Men have all the autonomy they want, but don't have belonging. Women vice versa. So, we've given women autonomy, but we won't move on to giving men belonging, because in order to get to giving women autonomy, we needed to frame oppression not as a drout and neglect, but a drowning surplus of attention, and feminists are afraid that if that's lost, they'll be rightfully seen as oppressors.

>>42772534
no, it isn't real

>>42772367
>>42772534
so much based replies in this thread, it makes me very happy to know that others are aware of this problem and its not just me, thank you all

have a great day or night

>>42773396
note: I wasnt calling the "misogyny is fake" replies based, its obviously a real thing.

also, I had a discussion about misandry with a feminist friend before and shes told me that true feminists do care about men and oppose misandry

I personally think the sexists are fake bitches and dont care about feminism, they hide their misandry behind a movement that is good to make their misandry seem good or justifiable, bad people like to use good things to their advantage unfortunately.

sexist feminists should also not be given any attention since its blatantly not real feminism.

>>42773530
who are you or her to say what real feminism is?
if the average feminist would disagree and isn't stripped of that label that is feminism as it actually exists in society

>>42773941
because feminism by definition was always about making both genders equal to each other, is that not obvious?

>>42773964
definitions don't matter
actions do
you can "define" anything as anything else

>>42773964
feminism does nothing to help men

>>42773984
Nta, but feminism is about gender equality. If it has abandoned that end, then it has lost its roots in liberal ethics and needs to accept that it's an entirely subjective hate movement now with no basis in any ethical system trying to be objective.

>>42774030
you know that reminds me of the mens rights movement
feminism might be following the same path unfortunately

>>42774030
no, its about oppressing men

>>42774109
can you tell us why its oppressing men?

I dont expect a long answer if you dont want to write one, just why you think this

>>42774198
because the basis of feminism is believing they are unfairly oppressed by men, who are views as aggressive and sexually threatening
feminism doesn't treat men as individuals, it treats them as a collective threat to be neutralized for the benefit of holekind

>>42774214
historically women have been unfairly oppressed, its gotten a lot better now (majority of which is thanks to feminism) but in the 1900s women were just considered as housewives.

and real feminism was and still is never about treating men as inferior, rather to have women have the same rights as men do, to be equally the same no matter the gender, except for obvious parts which require separation in genders like bathrooms and sports (anti tranny reference)

and this is beneficial to men, since it removes the stigma around certain things that used to be considered only done by women, like cleaning and cooking, and even little things like having the woman propose a marriage instead of the man, this makes both genders be able to do things that used to be considered only done by a specific gender despite both genders being able to do them, and thus leading to a better life for both genders, especially women but also partly men.

the feminism your thinking of is not real feminism

>>42774331
No true Scotsman BS.

>>42774331
>and this is beneficial to men, since it removes the stigma around certain things that used to be considered only done by women, like cleaning and cooking, and even little things like having the woman propose a marriage instead of the man
NTA but the reason feminism has been falling very flat lately as a movement is *because* it doesn't address these problems. What feminism has done is bring women up to men's level, which is good, but the type of feminism practiced by most self proclaimed "feminists" completely ignores the other half of this, and leaves all the social expectations and stigmas of men completely untouched.

So it alleviated misogyny, but never addressed misandry, and now misandry is ironically one of the biggest roadblocks to equality.
>Any man that wants to be a gradeschool teacher must be a pedophile
>Any man that's in a low level job is completely worthless
>Any man that want's to get into childcare must be a pedophile
And as mentioned before, this bleeds into LGBT issues as well, where AMAB people are given the male treatment, which is why I personally think at least is why people hate MtF's, because they view them as men, and men only do the things they do because they're sexually minded, aggressive predators.

I'm not saying feminism is DOING these things (well, TERF's and a good deal of radfems definitely do) or are the cause of these things, a lot of misandry comes from the political right and traditionalists, but I really feel like it's something that should be more of a focus for feminism, as I do really believe that it's been completely ignored by 'mainstream' feminism so far

I'm tired as shit, I hope that was coherent.

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>>42774331
women were never oppressed
if your ideology relies on painting another group as perpetual oppressors, maybe, in fact, YOU are the oppressors running cover

>>42770389
>I never understood why the LGBT movement doesn't try to deal with misandry at all,
there's certain groups you'd be unwise to attack
as always, women are the jew of gender

>>42772534
>where's that maternal care for men from women, now that men are abandoned?
can't go around humanizing the designated Others in your hate movement, it'd torpedo the effectiveness of your crybullying hate speech, let alone the amount of gibs you'd be leaving on the table if you aren't as victim as possible

>>42776066
women will crush anyone who questions their power over society
they will start rumors about you, call you names, destroy your reputation, and turn others against you

>>42775027
call me schizo or whatever, but sometimes i think misandry is just innate to some degree
i've mostly left behind my former mra beliefs but male disposability still haunts me to this day

>>42768806
why even pretend to support AMAB trans people if you can't keep up the act for more than a single post

>>42776103
misandry is learned, women would starve without the help of men

>>42776107
trannies are agents of foid malice against malekind

>>42776114
You hate me just as much as the radfems do. I get it.

>>42768159
Misandry is fair, cause there used to be only misogyny. Misandry is how women respond to misogyny, there is no cure except if we stop misogyny (won't happen)
So everyone will suffer

>>42776114
you said this against an “mlm”, male loving tranny, who calls herself a homossexual male and only tends to like masculine cis male bottoms, out of all trannies, just so you’re aware.

>>42768159
i think it takes two to tango so where it is men's fault, it's equally women's fault. the reason men are allowed to be villainized is because women aren't held to account or otherwise taught to be integrous.

>>42776131
you believe you cannot love men as a man yourself without chemical alterations to nuke your libido, you are part of the problem, trannies are foid sympathizers who enable the worst aspects of the matriarchy with their actions

>>42768542
Are you that freaky hrt femboy who despite claiming to be amab only has fucked (and loved lmao) multiple ftms

>>42776147
You’re stupid, I just being feminine compared to masculine myself, anon. If I cared about nuking my libido (or even if I had done it) I wouldn’t take cialis and testosterone gel in my dick, nor would I top. And considering I hate foids, I don’t see what I’m sympathising with.

>>42770389
>They're men who can't make it as a man! So they try to become women as a copout!
This is just pure sissy misogyny, how do you twist in into misandry?

>>42776159
???? no? I only dated “amabs” all my life. I even tried dating other MtF trannies but I genuinely don’t feel attraction for anything other than cis men, and masculine preferably, sorry.

>>42776161
your empty words are directly contradicted by your pro-female, anti-male actions

>>42776176
you’re so boring, when I marry my masc bottom and worship his maleness while cumming inside his asshole, you’re invited to the wedding.

>>42770994
Its a sad movie based on true story of a trans man that died getting gang raped by transphobic men

>>42772024
Its not feminists calling misandry "transmisogyny" but trans women who don't like the word misandry

>>42776147
no i just wanna attract a real man, not a cocksucker.

>>42776201
closeted gay man = real man?

>>42776185
am I allowed to heckle?

>>42776114
women don't need men except for bearing children and protection (mostly from other men)
and men only need women to have and raise children
the extent of interaction between the sexes outside of marriage was incredibly limited throughout history

>>42772534
>At least mysogyny, when it was rampent, cared a great deal about the wellbeing of women, even if in a paternal oppressive degrading way.
Oke, this is delusional take

>>42776219
>women don't need men
let's see a nuclear power plant run ONLY by women without male help for a month, ok?

>>42776214
dude do you wanna go to the wedding or not :/ don’t be such a child

>>42776221
no it's more or less correct
misogynists basically see women as overgrown children at best and livestock at worst

>>42776236
only if I am explicitly allowed to heckle you both for being faggots while you give speeches

>>42776219
Nope, thats not true at all. Men and women used to cohabit and live in same spaces, working together unless you are thinking of some shithole country

>>42776231
It would be fine, there are women working in them, specially in eastern europe

>>42776231
most men can't run a nuclear plant either anon
there's lesbians too you know
and not just the trans ones

>>42776262
yes but with their immediate family members

>>42776238
Yes those women that are forced to wear bags to cover their body and can be beated legally by their husbands and who are sold to be sex and house slaves to old men as little girls are so well taken care of
Misandry is nothing in comparison desu

>>42776239
that would turn me on lol

>>42776292
Big family homes with extended family of both sides living was the norm in lots of places

>>42776276
the difference is, there are not ANY women who, on their own, could run a nuclear power plant
women are retarded holes only good for making babies

>>42776294
this is all very exaggerated
women want to wear the burqa, its a game for them to show that they are taken and that men HAVE to take care of them

men just are abandoned and die and nobody remembers or cares about them

>>42776294
i mean i said they're treated like livestock at worst
how does what you said contradict that?

>>42776303
yes but its still your family
not random strangers

>>42776318
You claim they have people taking care of them well being when in reality they are just dominated and used for their body/work. Whean a one little girl dies of internal bleeding, you just buy a new one

>>42776313
>women want to wear the burqa
They have no choice in lots of places
>its a game for them to show that they are taken and that men HAVE to take care of them
You are fucking disgusting

>>42776294
>Yes those women that are forced to wear bags to cover their body and can be beated legally by their husbands and who are sold to be sex and house slaves to old men as little girls are so well taken care of
>Misandry is nothing in comparison desu
I mean, you're literally using the worst example, and even there they still have a place for women. Women weren't being abandoned in cultures that like to abuse women.

>>42776313
>there are not ANY women who, on their own, could run a nuclear power plant
Yes they can, they learn it just like men do. Women study better than men so it would be 100% fine
Not something you need to be men for, this is a good example of misogyny

>>42776378
>Yes they can
prove it

>>42776373
Its not even worst example, worst are little girls whos pussy is sewn close and mutilated and they are married to old men as teens who rip their pussies open and rape them and force them to carry their babies
Or soldiers who go from village to village to rape little girls and then take them as sex slaves or kill them
Or some nepali women who are forced out of their homes during their periods cause they are so unpure and they have to live in some hut and get raped by random men
There are lots of way worse samples of misogyny
Misandry is always very mild by comparison

>>42776385
The fact that there are women already working in them is proof enough, god you are stupid

>>42776415
because they don't have to lead or run the whole thing, which they are incapable of, women are at best servants of more capable males who actually run the operation

>>42775027
I 100% agree with you, and I think I was tired too when I wrote my reply since it was about 2 AM and reading back on it I didnt seem to address much of the problem on feminists not focusing on misandry, I think the problem with that is in the name, feminism itself is considered a thing for women to do, rarely there are feminist men, so thus, it would focus on women because the majority of feminists are women, they don't see or understand that misandry is a big problem because they aren't men.

I think a solution to this could be to spread awareness to men that the movement is about them too, and that men need to start standing up for themselves and becoming more prominent in the feminism movement or perhaps even more drastic measures like changing the name or creating a different movement that specifically focuses on misandry, and im not talking about focusing on the men's rights movement since their belief seem to be against feminism, im talking about either make a new movement that opposes misandry and stands alongside feminism, or encourage men to engage more into feminism.

the reason the right wing works so well is because they can talk so well, especially to men, I personally think feminists dont do enough to make men aware that it's beneficial to them too, thus the lack of men feminists. Feminism needs to talk more, get on podcasts probably.

and just to clarify if anyone thinks otherwise, im a cis male, and misandry has negatively effected my real life, so I think im allowed to have at least some say in this topic.

>>42768159
this is completely true and the people most affected by it (trannies) will swear up and down that you're just a clueless chud for saying it. never seen a group of people so committed to fucking themselves over

>>42776351
you're delusional
even when women are reduced to objects they're still valuable objects

>>42768999
holy larp. do you jerk off to this?

>>42774109
If feminsim was always about oppressing men, then it has no ethical grounds to be a leftist movement. Inequality is more of a right wing thing.
>>42776404
>There are lots of way worse samples of misogyny
>Misandry is always very mild by comparison
This claim has always been gross to me. In the western world, the one that's supposed to be above things like brutally cutting people's private parts before they're even children, we still do it here.
We have women today saying that we need to have another war to kill all the excess men. To kill the incels. This sentiment isn't the first time, and the result has been brutal wars, or men shipped off to Timbuktu or Australia at any chance possible because men with no place are considered parasitic and threatening, whereas women with no place are opportunities.
And there have historically been pleanty of misandry. Every abandoned homeless guy. Every wretch worked to his bone until his demise, cast aside like a used condom. The disproportionate violence men recieve, because it's okay to be violent if it's toward a man. The ancient rituals where a man needs to "prove" his worth by doing some insane shit like fighting a lion or maiming himself or traveling in the woods with no food or else he gets kicked out of the tribe.

The father hating the son is a tale as old as time, and it's seen throughout the animal kingdom, as well as in ancient myths. Uranus was castrated by Saturn for trying to fuck over his children. Saturn was castrated by Jupiter for trying to fuck over his children. And the cycle would have gone on if not for Jupiter changing his nature by absorbing his wife.

>>42776428
none of the male workers would be capable of leading the entire operation either
it's just that most exceptional leaders are male

>>42776313
i don’t see you running a nuclear power plant but rather posting on 4chan presumably unemployed

>>42776544
i think he was flirting with me nona

>>42776551
I never said it had to be done by one person alone you dishonest weasel.
I said that women, without men, cannot run a power plant. Women are stupid.

>>42776552
they clearly have some kind of inferiority complex

>>42776561
do you have any proof other than your inane ramblings?

>>42776576
let's test it
train some women
have them run it
if there's a meltdown, we all lose

>>42776556
a lot of the guys here are freaks who would be avoided by all women irl and yet larp about their rape fantasies online

>>42776561
you know i said leader not sole operator btw
do you lack reading comprehension?
am i just arguing with chudgpt?

I don't understand why it's so controversial to state the obvious truth that men and women are good at different things.

>>42776584
you don't even understand how nuclear plants are constructed you fucking retard
meltdowns are prevented by design in modern plants

>>42776599
the scenario, from the beginning, was that women would have to operate a nuclear power plant without men, I don't know why you are trying to twist or contort my words

>>42776603
women are only good for making babies and useless for anything else except sadistic abuse of men and ritual sexual abuse of male bodies

>>42776619
>women are only good for making babies and useless for anything else except sadistic abuse of men and ritual sexual abuse of male bodies
Stop with the hysterics.

im glad that mass unemployment is coming. most of you do not deserve salaries or voting rights

>>42776619
if a woman can be an employee you can make a team of them
the only issue is leadership

>>42776603
i just think that's sexist and reinforces negative stereotypes because women can certainly be good at things men do and vice versa. the only thing holding women back is themselves and their insecurities, but the same goes for men as well.

>>42776649
splitting hairs to avoid admitting that women cannot do the job without men helping them in some way

The problem with modern women is they want to have two contradictory things at the same time. They want to make the same money that men do but they also want to date men who make more money than them and will pay for everything. They want to be free and independent but they also want to be dependent on a man.

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>>42776650
Women CAN be good at things men do, but it's like training a dog to walk on two legs. It can be done, but you're forcing something made for doing one thing into doing something else. There's also things women can do better than men can, and no one seems upset when someone points those things out. Only when people point out that there's things men do better than women.
The right way forward is not to completely deny reality and force women into roles that they were not ever meant to fulfill. The path forward is to acknowledge our differences and use them to compliment each other. Embrace what makes men and women unique and work together for a greater society. You know... Like how we did it for thousands of years.
Did you know the average happiness of women in America used to be higher than the average happiness of men in America? That trend started to reverse a few decades ago, coincidentally right around when women demanded to be let into the workforce en masse and abandoned their biological drive to have children.

>>42776684
>Women CAN be good at things men do
deafeningly loud buzzer sound

>>42776684
i think the average women can do most things except be effective leaders honestly
it's been a monumental failure in that area

>>42776720
The average 25 year old woman in America is weaker than a 14 year old boy. Even in non-physical feats of skill men typically dominate women (chess, video games, etc.). Why do you think sports were historically segregated? Don't be stupid. You're falling into the exact same trap that has caused women immense suffering over the past few decades.
>>42776709
In contrast to my reply to other person, the best player of a niche shitty video game I used to play (SMITE) was actually a woman. A real bitch too. But she could play a mean Scylla. That being said, my other women friends were absolute dogshit.

>>42776684
anon.
no one wants to go into stem.
men do it because money
women don't because they have easier means of acquiring money
you disencentivize women achieving on their own merit when they can just start an onlyfans instead.

>>42776818
>no one wants to go into stem.
I'm a man and I want to go into STEM, not for the money but because of my genuine passion and interest in microbiology. Do not speak for me.

>>42776777
for competitions, cortisol is literally decreased by testosterone and increased by estradiol

>>42768159
Be the man they accuse you of being and they will shut up.
It's weird that problems sometimes solve through self-fulfilling prophecies, but that's on the people pushing the issue.
Don't lose sleep on this shit.

>>42776777
idk why you assume that i must be some kind of woke feminist
obviously males and females have differences

>>42776919
I'm not assuming anything, I'm responding to what you're saying. You said "i think the average women[sic] can do most things except be effective leaders honestly" and I responded accordingly. I suppose it is true that you merely said they CAN do most things, not that they can do most things WELL. I did assume you meant to say "women can do most things well", not that you're a woke feminist.

>>42776823
being a researcher does not translate into profitability and sustainability. going into the study of microbiology does not put food on the table. eventually you have to get a job and by the nature of work, regardless of whether or not it pertains to an interest, if will always be work until you are disenfranchised with thing that initially interested you.

forced creation and forced innovation foster artificial evolution that is unsustainable.

>>42776962
You're a very sad person.
I don't have any problems putting food on the table. I live on my own and have no debt to my name. Just because you're very stupid and not good with money does not mean all of society is.

>>42776962
true to some degree
but most research is basically a luxury
mere survival has been trivial for millennia

You know it's telling that misandry is mostly just based on imaginary crimes and a few bad actors. While misogyny is usually based on how the typical woman actually behaves.