>>43023684
I feel like I lost my MEF. Actually most of my fetishes.

I don't even like monster fucking that much anymore...

>>43023684
is this just the new agp/sissy word

why can't you guys just be normal about wanting to be treated like women and not try to diagnose yourselves

>>43023695
we don't have to throw away the fact that we were boys who turned into women and part of that is kinda appealing in its own way

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just got done to STAYC ASAP MV while having countless thoughts of taking HRT, making my room girlier, connecting more with women, etc

>>43023716
you know what, i can actually respect that

as long as it's not being used to invalidate the fact that you are women, ig

>>43023695
Because getting emasculated is more compelling for some

>>43023734
How much of it are you willing to make reality instead of keeping it a fantasy? For many it's just a kink and they don't have a need to go beyond fantasies. I'm currently just on HRT but I'm unsure on whether go beyond

>>43023736
nta
>as long as it's not being used to invalidate the fact that you are women, ig
You joking? I get my validation from being fucked in my srussy by my man.
The boy needs to be fucked out of me regularly.
>>43023739
it was the reason I trooned. And the reason I'm happy I did.

>>43023772
Can you tell us how it became the reason you transitioned and how you live it now?

>>43023695
this. every fucking year the lingo on this board changes its obnoxious.

>>43023784
>how it became the reason you transitioned
I gave into it completely. Part of it was choice part of it was simply the desire was way too strong.
I just really wanted to be a woman. Being MEF helped a lot with the project.
>how you live it now?
For all intends and purposes I am a married straight woman.
Had ffs (2017), srs (2019), vfs (2022) and been on E for 12 years now. Height and genetics helped, but also not being poor.
The only regret is not being able to start when I wanted. Thank fuck for diy. Le doctors were basically like this board - that I'm 'fake' and refused to prescribe drugs.
Yeah, I'm a gigaperv and technically not dysphoric. But so what? Almost every time I have an orgasm it's an euphoric reminder that life is better now.
Very lucky to have met a man who not only appreciates me sexually for what I am, but is also an amazing life partner overall.

>>43023734
stayc fan! whos your bias?
what other groups do you like?

>>43023953
Do you indulge in MEF fantasies or is living as a woman enough?

>>43023759
Well so I've taken HRT countless times and stopped. At this point it would be a mentality of not even enjoying the fetish and just sacrificing my male self for no reason at all since HRT kills the fetish for me. So it's like a very strange thing of changing a lot for no good reason, but I'm enough of a coomer to maybe still go through with it. The difference is that to do that I would need very strong discipline and a profound understanding that what I'm doing makes no sense and will bring me no pleasure. It's almost to become feminine or hyperfeminine contrary to my normal masculine essence for the sake of it. How far would I go? I guess even just talking about this sounds monstrous so I don't want to say anything else. Not regarding what I was gonna say but it's all so strange in general.

>>43023684
What does MEF stand for? I'm out of the loop

>>43023998
Masochistic Emasculation Fetishism

>>43023953
Do you present hyperfeminine?

>>43024008
damn, is this any different from forcefem? just a rebadging?

>>43023971
Isa cause she's really funny but I like them all rlly.

For other groups I like Illit, Ive, newjeans, and then old school stuff but some new groups are good too

>>43024019
Forcefeming can fall into it. Same for sissy stuff and boyremoval. But not necessarily

>>43024041
nice, i havent listened to much stayc but my gf loves them. i also love illit ive and newjeans

>>43023684
there is nothing MEFfy abt this.
this is just normal woman stuff.

>>43023974
What counts as "mef fantasy" has changed quite a bit over the last 15+ years. Still, yes, I do roleplay some of them to this day.
Unlike other nonas, my MEF didn't die with hrt or with srs. I still am high sex drive. If anything, my sex drive slightly increased after srs. Sometimes I joke that I'm in top .01% happiest srs customers.
Things that we do regularly:
- cnc (the rougher the better)
- being reminded that the boy is being fucked out of me
- light bondage
- he probably gets the most blowjobs of any married man haha
- I'm always available for a quickie (and prefer it especially when I don't "really" want it for the full sub experience)
We used to do the maid uniform thingy too but as we both matured that kinda became cringe.
These used to be mef coded in the past. I have no idea if the attitudes changed. I stopped keeping up with tranny spaces a decade ago. I just show up occasionally here and that's it.
Now we explore things that aren't mef coded. My sexuality keeps evolving, aided by the fact that I have an equally sex positive partner and also talking about it with cisf friends. Seriously, you have no idea how perverted cisfs really are, especially the professional women who are basically my circle (I work in a global corp).
>is living as a woman enough?
Absolutely not.
I enjoy living as a woman, don't get me wrong. There are benefits to that, especially the good friendships I formed with other wives but also that people are nice to me (being de facto stealth certainly helps a lot).
But no, living as a woman doesn't scratch my itch. Being a submissive woman sexually to my husband scratches my itch. Unironically I go kinda crazy if I'm not fucked for more than two weeks.
>>43023982
>HRT kills the fetish for me
Sorry to hear that, nona :(
Though, as you (correctly) point out, it can be overcome with discipline.

>>43024181
I've definitely had the fetish of having the boy fucked out of me at times, but other times it's like

Being fucked to make me into a boy

It's weird

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>>43024017
In public, no. Although it depends on what we mean by "hyper" these days.
I dressed in something similar to picrel at my wedding but generally I dress as my age and class - which is a 36 year old professional/middle management woman.
I don't get a kick from dressing fem. I'm equally fine if I dress like a pooner. But I do prefer fem stylish these days. Looking forward for the summer to try new outfits, heh. My cisf friends helped a lot with fembraining my fashion sense.

>>43024181
What was the benefiting of transitioning if you only enjoy it in the bed?

>>43024219
>Being fucked to make me into a boy
Oh, that does sound weird. I don't remember that happening to me but then again it's been a long time. It's amazing how neuroplasticity works. The brain is surprisingly adaptive to stuff if you just work on it.
>had the fetish of having the boy fucked out of me
The fastest way to make me orgasm from penetration alone is for him to remind me of that.
Idk how to explain it but something clicks in my mind that triggers orgasm quite fast if he keeps up the pace.

give me a checklist for mefmaxxing

>>43024276
>if you only enjoy it in the bed?
You say this as if it's something minor. But it's not. Sex is a fundamental part of what makes us human.
And I do engage in sexual activity almost daily.
Besides making new cisf friends who would never be as open with me if I were still living as a man, there are some practical benefits too. A professional woman is treated better than a professional man. And now nobody knows when I'm horny (an underrated practical benefit of srs).
Also there is the practical benefit of looking better. I put a pretrans pic of mine through an AI to see how I would've aged and I started to appreciate how I look now a lot more. I'm not gigahot or some model. But I pass for a mid woman unless you run a karyotype on me.
So, basically, I trooned for the fetish and stuck around because I like the results. And since I had vfs and my boobs are quite generous, I'll stick around for a lot longer. Aging out as a woman is ultimately a good idea even for non sexual reasons.

>>43024360
True, that's a good point. I'm currently on HRT but I'm unsure if I should girlmode

>>43024360
I don't think I could ever go all out but you're 100% right about women being treated better in corporate environment

>>43024393
If you look like a twinkhon, go ahead. Better to practice earlier.
If your face is a gigakiller, then do ffs first.
Since I wasn't dysphoric and don't suffer from any other mental disorders, I girlmoded as soon as I could reasonably look like an unkept/uncanny/kinda ugly woman.
One thing I remained strict about was always dress my age and as close as possible to REGULAR cis women. That reduces clockiness by a lot more than brainwormed trannies think.

>>43024287
I think it's stemmed from self loathing. I really really started to hate girlmoding. I wanted to be a boy because it was easier, but I didn't want to be a man.

But to be a boy was to still be submissive. To be a boywife thing.

>>43024181
this is so wholesome im so happy for you nona, what were your cisf friends reactions to it?
>>43023953
this just made me discover that vfs exists omg thank you

>>43024419
I'm already being gendered female, but I somehow feel resistance of going all in. So far I'm just keeping it in the bed with men who are into my feminized body.

>>43024431
>what were your cisf friends reactions to it?
To what? Some of them know that I'm a tranny, some don't. Some do know what kind of tranny I am (basically "fake"). None care, obviously, otherwise they wouldn't continue to hang out with me.
If you mean reaction to the sexual fetish stuff? They mogged me lol. It was a brutal and sudden invitation into the cisf world. All of them casually confessed they have routine rape fantasies. One of them still complains that her husband doesn't want to try cnc with her.
Basically, they made me feel normal or even slightly a prude, lol. Over time I found out that my friends aren't particularly special. A significant majority (!!) of cisfs have rape fantasies and significant minorities of cisfs have fetishes that make me look like a prude, comparatively speaking.
More recently they talked me into trying pegging. Feels a bit weird but my man likes it. Now looking into buying an extra vibe for the strapon so I get a benefit from it too.
>wholesome
very perverted but yeah, also wholesome.
the universe has a weird way of dispensing things. Of the 5 successful in life trannies that I know, three are like me, one is a former transmaxxing incel and one is a 'trutrans' the way this board conceptualizes things. Us committed fetishists seem to "make it" a lot more often.

>>43024476
>I'm already being gendered female
Great <3
>but I somehow feel resistance of going all in
Fair enough.
Do keep in mind that you don't HAVE TO perform femininity all the time. I am also perfectly fine in a t-shirt and jeans these days.
You should still try to work on lowering that resistance for the situations where it will be more appropriate to present more fem. Also, during summertime, fem clothing is simply superior.
>So far I'm just keeping it in the bed with men who are into my feminized body
You should try to find love. I'm perfectly serious. Being loved while having your mef "scratched" is a superiour experience.
Also, if you intend to get srs, having a loving partner in the first few months is very much a necessity.

>>43024529
interesting, i have definitely heard the cnc thing a lot, also choking and pegging. I was curious since I get the "ur trans so u must be a perv" thing a lot good to know thats completely made up LOL thank you

>Us committed fetishists seem to "make it" a lot more often.
I do really wonder why this is. I have some form of this myself lol
ty!!

>>43024529
also nice to hear that someone who has this got older and well into her transition and is still doing well, have heard this a few times but every example helps to know the future should be ok

>>43024420
>To be a boywife thing
Hm, I don't claim to fully understand that. I tried fagcoping like that and it convinced I need to move faster with transition lol.
Still, long term that's not fully stable. Eventually hrt will get you to be gendered female almost always.
I'm chatting on and off with an hrt femboy who leaned into something like that. But now 11 years later he's considering srs and asking me for fembrained advice lol.
Still, you do you. Ultimately you only need validation from your lover. Who cares what others think.

>>43024612
Yeah I really appreciate it

>>43024612
>the future should be ok
the future is what we make of it, nona.
on this board there's too much crabs in the bucket (while in other spaces there's too much "affirmation" which is codeword for tolerance for failure). Be that as it may, we have a lot more control over what we do.
Granted, I speak from a position of someone who doesn't suffer from other mental disorders and I basically worked and advanced in career all through my transition (I manmoded at work perhaps a bit more than I should have but there is no manual about this anyway).
But perhaps my biggest asset was (and is) the fact that I generally like people. I am very sociable. Something which too many trannies don't even try to learn and frame it as if it's something you're supposed to be born with and if you don't have it "it's over" - which is nonsense. Every single skill is learnable.

>>43024600
>I get the "ur trans so u must be a perv" thing
Well, I am trans and I am a perv. I just don't admit the latter except to close friends and on anon boards.
It also helps that I am not from a english-speaking country. My country doesn't have a tranny derangement episode and is unlikely to ever have in my lifetime. Mostly because flaming fags have been a thing for so long that the default assumption is that clocky trannies are a flavor of that so nobody cares that much.
>I do really wonder why this is
My speculation is that we simply take everything a lot more seriously.
I mean, technically, I'm a dude who's had a bunch of surgeries and goes by she/her. So if I went to such great lengths, of course I treat it seriously. The mental approach (not just mine but most of the mefy girls I interacted with both IRL and online) is fundamentally different from that of most 'trutrans' girls.
It's quite unfortunate that dysphoric trannies routinely reject advice from women like me. I got called a reddit hon a few days ago because I advised a nona to learn how to walk in a feminine pattern and "correct" her posture. Like, really, if you wanna live as a woman, mannerisms matter quite a lot. I'd argue they matter even more than how perfect your face is or your height. I know a 185cm srsoid mef. She mogs half of cisfs lol. Why? Because she leaned into the model esthetic and mannerisms.

>>43024647
I get gendered female decently enough even in a T-shirt and jeans as long as I'm well groomed and wearing high waisted pants.

But unfortunately it was the only way I could get off for a bit.

>>43024689
I completely agree with the social part, I’m not the best at meeting people myself but I try my best and when I’m past that first stage I’m good at it, I do try to focus on having an actual career too about to graduate college and go to grad school so that should all be helpful for the future.

And I totally agree that the hardcore affirmation / hugboxing is bad, staying realistic is so much better
ik im some random person but youve really given me a lot of insights into how this works and a good thought process to have thank you so much :) and you told me that vocal surgery exists which somehow i had never heard of after being in these spaces for years lol

>>43024785
>vocal surgery
Protip: Train hard until you reach a voice that is very comfortable for you and as cispassing as possible. THEN look into surgery.
Some rich trannies thought they could shortcut their way with surgery and, as it turns out, that doesn't work. VFS is for "locking in" so to speak.
I got it because the idea of never being able to do a male voice was hot in itself. "Stupid reason" will say some, but it's not stupid if it works. I sound cisf even if I mumble in my sleep, lol.

>>43024760
I wish I lived in a more enlightened place like that but also i suppose there are far worse places than america. And yes im a perv too it’s wonderful LOL i should’ve said like sex pest is what people say trans people are sometimes. but there is absolutely no shame in being a perv yeah

I agree with all the second part of this I couldn’t have said it better myself so nice to finally hear someone say this, I don’t know why there’s such a stigma to just deny that some people do have sexual reasons for transitioning. I don’t have the exact thing you have but mef definitely gets me going a lot and i felt so shameful for a while but lately ive just stopped feeling ashamed over it, i am like dysphoric over body hair and stuff but yes i also do have a sexual component and that’s okay
And yes I believe in leaning in as much as possible to feminine mannerisms

>>43024831
thank you so much i will remember that forever im sure ill be thinking about this in a few years time, i will try to voice train in the mean time (naturally kind of grew up speaking a high voice a lot anyway since i grew up as a teen repping so i have some experience)
>never being able to do a male voice
that sounds absolutely awesome oh my god i didn’t know it worked that way i want it even more now thats actually so hot
TYSM NONA

>>43024845
>i felt so shameful for a while
The second I got rid of shame, that's the moment when I accepted myself as I am. That helped a lot with escaping any brainworms too.
It's why I can joke even IRL about this.
Some people are BDSMers, some people are fags, some people are into cnc/rape fantasy. I just happen to be a bit of all at once and that's fine.
>like sex pest is what people say trans people are sometimes
There probably is a train of thought like that here too. I just don't encounter it because I look and behave so much as a cisf that seeing me as a sex pest looks and feels ridiculous.
And since many people think "penis = rape" I also have the srsoid card. Another uderrated social/logistical benefit of srs.
>more enlightened place like that
Haha, no. This country doesn't even have civil unions, let alone gay marriage.
It's just that as long as you're not a gigaperv in public, normalfags simply don't care enough. It's more live and let live than some modern(ist) enlightenment. Quite frankly I prefer it that way too over the American "progressive" model which clearly pisses off too many people (including me lol).

>>43024775
>unfortunately
Terrible mentality. It's not unfortunate to take intentional action to get what you want.
Also, there are (de facto) trannies who manmode after srs because they want the male social role. Long live diversity, I say.

>>43024954
Frankly I'm just weird. I don't want the male social role, not really. I mean, sometimes I do? But it is weird. I feel like I naturally fall into it but I don't like it. Genuinely I think my base brain function is male but my higher brain function is female.

>>43024785
>focus on having an actual career too about to graduate college and go to grad school so that should all be helpful for the future
Good. So many trannies fail because they don't think even in broad terms what happens AFTER transition.
There's no point in being a passoid tranny if you're a neet shut-in.
>>43024869
>naturally kind of grew up speaking a high voice a lot anyway since i grew up as a teen repping so i have some experience
Luckshit :P
The only thing I had going was some minimal introduction to voice modulation while singing in a school choir. I had to learn everything from scratch.
It took less time to recover from srs than to get to where I wanted to voice-wise.

>>43024973
I'm unable to properly live the male role, so people end up assuming I'm gay. But I still enjoy that ambiguity and freedom over having to socially transition and walking on eggshells to not be clocked. But I'm not sure how long I'll be able to pull that off on HRT

>>43024973
>Frankly I'm just weird
We're all weird, chill. Even by tranny standards.
>Genuinely I think my base brain function is male but my higher brain function is female
Sounds about right. I just learned to integrate the two (slowly over time) and bruteforced a bit by hanging out primarily with cisfs and basically fake it till you make it.
Also, having some base brain function "male" helps a lot of work. I can girlboss better than most afab girlbosses, lol.
My honest advice is to not fret too much over this. It gets you fixated on an aspect that is not even clear cut (as you correctly note).
Also, in 2026 it is easier to move around as a butch masc ("passing for a pooner") than as a feminine man. Which was another reason I settled for the female social role. You're much less questioned if you girlboss than if you're a male manager with feminine mannerisms. It is what it is /shrug

>>43025021
No the base male shit I have is weird and gross and like horny teenage boy stuff and I hate it I hate it I hate it.

I hate feeling like a stupid idiot gynephile boy it's the worst!!!

mef is literally so overstated as some sort of faketrans thing. the married lady who has been commenting a bunch calls herself faketrans but obviously isnt (notice: many woman friends who are comfortable discussing sex with her, socially accepted at work, believe it or not you actually have to soulpass as well as physically for this to happen)

the reality is mef enjoyers are more socially and sexually well-adjusted because they approach sex in way that incorporates and dissipates the shame and dysphoria that is basically inevitable when a tranny has sex and releases the various tensions ; does my partner actually see me as a woman? how could that possibly be when I have these male bones etc. etc. is resolved and released via the narrative; I was once a boy but now I am a woman and the sex act is itself proof and reinforcement of that fact. Obviously you can get hyperwoke and argue that you were always female spiritually internally and whatever but its honestly a less effective cope and more difficult to integrate into any sort of real-world sexual fantasy or action - and thus lacking in the physicality of ritual or any meaningful engagement with the social (actually a negative engagement with the social; I am a woman because I have the soul of a woman degrades into I am a woman because I feel like a woman degrades into I am a woman because I identify as a woman)

Do your tranny friends know your just a gooner?

>>43025051
>gynephile
Ah. Yeah, that part is an impediment, I agree. I struggled a while with it.
My last trace of gynephilia only went away with srs.
Unironically having a stable masc bf who is into your kinks helps the most. Also don't be shy to use affirmation/hypno and disciplined masturbation (vibrators, dildos, no jerking off). You underestimate how much you can change in your brain with enough discipline.
>>43024995
>socially transition and walking on eggshells to not be clocked
Wrong mentality.
I never cared about that. Even today if someone asks I'd say "I'm a troon, and?"; it hasn't happened in a long while but it happened occasionally for many years. Just shrugged it off.
A lot of that walking on eggshells is in your head. Yes, some of it is real, but normalfags clock insecurity more than trannies.
>that ambiguity and freedom
While I can no longer pass outright as an amab to normalfags, I can still lean into that by just going with pooner-ish aesthetics.
Do that if that floats your boat.

>>43025117
It's weird because there were periods, even before HRT, where my gynephilia completely vanished.

I'm actually changing my regimen from monotherapy to using Bica to see if that helps at all.

I am also just slightly insane. Words don't always match their meanings for me.

>>43025092
That's because transition goes farther when you enjoy the process of becoming more feminine both outwardly and inwardly.

>>43025092
>the married lady who has been commenting a bunch calls herself faketrans but obviously isnt
idk, nona.
I stopped bothering to argue about it years ago.
Doctors who wouldn’t prescribe HRT, plenty of other trans women, random cis people I was naive enough to open up to, and pretty much everyone eventually hit me with some version of “you’re not real” or “you’re doing it wrong” or just straight-up “you’re faking it.” Fine. I’m fake then.
Sure. Whatever. I don’t have the story people expect. Never did. And honestly? A surprising number of trans women, maybe even most of the ones I’ve met IRL, turn into pearl-clutching church ladies the second I say anything too honest or too sexual or too messy. Like suddenly I’m the problem for not performing the approved trauma script. So I just… stopped.
I’m not interested in auditioning for anyone’s approval anymore.
If the script doesn’t fit me, I’m not going to keep cutting pieces of myself off to make it fit.
atp I mostly just shrug and think: believe whatever version makes your worldview more comfortable. It’s not my job to convince you anymore.
>believe it or not you actually have to soulpass
Yeah, I learned that the hard way. It's why I'll always be grateful to two particular cisfs. They literally taught me how to do it.

>>43025177
I love you so much you're really inspiring

>>43025177
its backlash from endless "you're a faketrans fetishist doing this for sexual reasons" which people think is a huge gotcha (as though the gender of your soul wouldn't be something that impacts how you interpret/engage with sex)

I think a lot of trannies get so used to having to habitually deny that their transgenderism is a fetish that they confuse this with the idea that being trans doesn't impact or define how you engage with/interpret sex and sexuality.

>>43024924
sorry had to brb for something
>i got rid of shame
I will try to do this that’s a good way of thinking of it
>it’s more live and let live
oh interesting i didnt expect that, im in a more conservative part of america so the vibe is kind of different, gen x and boomer people do genuinely bring up being anti trans in unrelated conversations and im just like Haha but most younger people don’t do this and a lot are more accepting so that’s nice
>>43024986
thank you I delayed my transition somewhat because of non accepting family and got worried about being outed and cut off from finances but now that i’m close to graduating that worry is gone and im still pretty young anyway
>Luckshit :P
LOL yeah that’s a funny way of thinking of it, i even privately confided in some school friends at 12 by saying “i have this weird feeling to do girl stuff and be a girl” because i didn’t really know how to articulate that that meant trans yet and came out to some of my friends when I was 15, I wish I knew diy hrt existed back then but oh well
>less time to recover from srs
fascinating! i never even really thought of surgeries until i just heard of this (maybe ffs if i need it i’ll see how the transition turns out) i thought voice surgery was like some imaginary thing from smut i read sometimes lol
thank you so much again nona ur so awesome i hope you come back again sometime ur so helpful i like talking to you

>>43025177
Thanks for sharing your story, your life is really my dream.

As my agp has developed I've become more meta-attracted. Was it the same for you, and how did you find a husband who was okay with this sort of kink? Do you think you two have real romantic love for each other?

>>43025276
>habitually deny that their transgenderism is a fetish
I truly believe that for some trannies it legit isn't a fetish. But by the same token I also believe that it's not terribly important.
I try to have empathy with more dysphoric trannies but goodness me they are their worst enemy so often.
They also interpret "integrating" very rigidly and, quite frankly, in the wrong direction.
Even "soulpassing" is literally a learnable skill. But atp I get more approval from cisfs when I say something about how "fembrained" actually works than from trannies. Not my job to judge, ofc. I'm a full libertarian on this - everyone should be free to try or not to try anything with their body without explanation.
>i hope you come back again sometime
I try to show up at least every other month for a day or two just because this place lacks mature voices.
But it'd help a lot more if the place had some moderation - and by that I mean deleting self-evident b8.
I don't mind the occasional chud (heck, I am a bit of a chuddette myself on quite a few issues) but maybe the board doesn't need 5 incest larp threads and three ywnbaw threads, methinks.

>>43025117
I am not the person you were replying to (im the other person we talked about voice training etc) but do you mean change your sexuality? I have 0 attraction to men currently but that’s an interesting concept could be helpful since i kinda do have mef kink

>>43025314
>Was it the same for you
For a while, yes. Meta-attraction is a necessary (and desu unavoidable) step, but it's not the destination.
The next step after meta-attraction really is ending up to truly love men in a very physical and lustful sense.
The way there is to always focus on him. The fact that he makes me climb up the walls is a very happy byproduct but the main purpose is making him happy. Leaning into a totally submissive mindset works towards that goal. Sex is over when he cums. The fact that that makes me happy is a byproduct. What's important is that he is happy because he matters more.
The way out of meta-attraction is really identical to amab-afab straight relationships: each partner focuses primarily on the other downplaying their own pleasure a bit. When both do that, it's a perfect balance. He does that too when he carries on after cumming because he knows I enjoy it. Or when he lets me ride him even though he's tired and not quite in the mood.
Of course, over the years, we've gotten to know each other in very great detail. But the general mindset is to always prioritize him. Eventually you start seeing him as a person and not meta-attraction. And from there on it's just practice to find ways of serving him that are hot to him (most ways will be hot for you too, so don't worry).
>how did you find a husband who was okay with this sort of kink
The same way successful sociable cisfs do. Fish in the correct pond.
In my case, bisexual men with a forcefem kink. There are a lot more of them than you might think. And not being online filters out the dangerous ones quite a bit.
>Do you think you two have real romantic love
8 years together, three married. We're a legit power couple. At this pace we'll afford to retire before age 50.
I would say yes, we do have real romantic love for each other. We fit great as life partners on all the issues that matter for successful family life.

>>43025363
>but do you mean change your sexuality?
This is a bit controversial to say, but yes.
It absolutely is possible for most (though not for all) to get from 0 androphilia to some androphilia.
Also, usually, estrogen helps with that. Some say E just releases previously repressed androphilia, and maybe that's true. What I say is that hrt is a foundation. What you build on it is to a large extent under your control.
Again, the brain is much more malleable than we think.
Even before starting hrt I changed my masturbation habits, the kind of media I consumed (0 sexy women, 0 trannies) and socialized for several years overwhelmingly with gay and bisexual men. All to amplify androphilia and ignore/downplay gynephilia.
It doesn't work in 6 months. But discipline and consistency over 1-2 years is remarkable.
Also, there are practical reasons: men into mef/forcefem outnumber women by a factor of 10 (if not more).

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>>43024066

MEF arch-demoness reporting. Currently mostly inactive here, but came in to say that KPOP was the reason I trooned out. (Thanks to SNSD, 2NE1, and SISTAR).

My current faves:

i-dle (bias: minnie, but also jeon basedeon says trans trans rights)
Le Sserafim (bias: kazuha)
KIOF (bias: natty)
ITZY (bias: yeji, but ryujin can get it)
Aespa (bias: giselle)

New groups I like:

ILLIT
MEOVV
Katseye

Others I listen to: IVE, Red Velvet, H2H, kiii kiii, Chuu, Choi Yena, Kim Hyuna, Lee sunmi, Ash B. (NJZ not here because it's basically a defunct group currently)

Honorary mention: Lisa and blackpink also played a pivotal role in my transition and it's hard to overstate the impact blackpink had on pop both in Korea and internationally, especially when it comes to MEF themes.

>>43025482
fascinating to be honest, i haven’t thought of that. I wouldn’t say mef is my sole reason for transitioning because i do have dysphoria in many aspects but yeah the future for dating has always worried me. I do actually agree the brain is more malleable than people think and that sexuality is probably more fluid than polite society likes to admit, that’s a very interesting perspective, I will probably try my hand first since of course at least at the moment I do like women but it’s good to know a backup plan is possible if things go bad.

You’re so knowledgeable nona do you have a discord or anything
If not it’s okay of course but just wanted to say you’ve really helped me it’s rare I’m able to talk about these things with people tysm :) you really are living the dream life and it’s very reassuring to hear it all keeps going well into the future

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>>43025482

To weigh in on orientation conversion: estrogen, transitioning, orchi, and SRS can of course affect attraction, but it should be made clear that it takes years of deliberate determined effort and deep and sustained desire, such that one could plausible argue you're just "discovering" your "true" orientation.

In my case I went from:

>fullbisexual in early puberty
>leaning gynephilic due to ongoing puberty and desire to repress,
>functionally straight as a cis male adult
>celibate, into MEF and cuck fantasies.
>bisexual but presenting/identifying as gay
>sissification fetish
>transitioned, straight leaning bi but identified as straight.
>brief transbian phase.
>residual MEF based gynephilia, Kinsey 1(female)
>SRS
>totally straight, no baseline sustained arousal/erotic thoughts about women.

women do still sometimes play a role in my arousal, but only int he context of "checking" if i'm aroused to them and getting aroused when I verify that I only have sex with men.

Also this is me >>43025538

>>43025559
>it’s good to know a backup plan is possible
Wrong approach.
You're better served trying it out, learning it and never needing it than being secure in a "backup plan".
This kind of thing can't be hastly executed.
Also, most of the process is legit fun and hot.
>discord
Never had and never will. I am 35+ year old straight woman. I have e-mail and a boring facebook page with zero mentions of trans stuff.
You can e-mail me at alexandra_st0[at]proton.me but it may take a long while till I reply.
I lead a very offline life. That was by far the best step I took early in transition. No social media of any kind, hard limit on screen time. I didn't become sociable by sheer inertia, but by being intentional about every aspect of it.
>you really are living the dream life
By tranny standards, I suppose. By cisf standards, I'm within the statistical median of my country. Most women my age are married or in committed LTRs.
>reassuring to hear it all keeps going well into the future
Only if you work for it. It doesn't keep going well by default. This is very important.
There have been multiple trannies who regressed even if they started with a better hand than you or me.
This is no different from cisfs. Lots of cisfs end up miserable in their late 30s because they think that it all works out by itself. The truth is that this isn't the case at all. We have to be intentional about what we want and make it so.

>>43025585
very interesting, i do also think estrogen has some effect on it but it probably differs by person. in the end deep down it probably is kinda a choice in some way

just hard for me to have a theory of mine of it because ive always been grossed out by body hair and stuff and i dont think ive ever seen a guy and been like “wow he’s hot”

>>43025585
^^absolute truth
Also, very similar to me. Except I'm not into kpop and didn't have a transbian phase. And I probably gay coped longer than I should have.
>functionally straight as a cis male adult
This was literally the reason I was denied hrt in 2012. And called fake, lol.
>women do still sometimes play a role in my arousal, but only int he context of "checking" if i'm aroused to them
Fascinating. All I get now is envy. Unironic fembrained reaction, lol.
Time is at fault. After enough years have passed, I simply forgot things.
Some nonas say they're no longer mef after srs. Well, I still am (and glad for it). But if not for mef, I'd routinely forget I'm a tranny lol.

>>43025616

I'm 34 and my middle aged cis straight female friends going back to high school and college are on discord. They might not respond quickly there but they still have it.

>>43025627

I was never attracted to men visually or romantically until my 30s. It was exclusively the MEF defredation fetish of submitting to bullies or being overpowered and dominated by ogres. The ugliness and taboo of masculinity made it hot. Of course over time I got hooked and they started to become unironically hot. And eventually I met men who were nice who I developed feelings for.

>>43025670
Well, I'm not you. In my country Discord is associated with kids, basically. And gaming. I'm neither.
And when discord became popular I was already deep into my commitments for low screen time and focusing on both my job and my transition. The last thing I cared was being on social media.

>>43025616
That’s a good point, I feel like being bi would be most useful to train myself as? If that’s what you mean by never needing it
>legit fun and hot
perhaps you have awakened something in me because i can see what you mean
>discord
i realized after sending that you probably don’t have one but an email is perfect thank you!! i’ll probably think up some questions to email you sometime, and no rush on replying no worries, thanks yo so much that’s perfect :) I’m trying to be much more healthy with my internet usage that probably does help a lot, with people my age it can be hard to connect without using it i’ve noticed though but i try to go outside and enjoy nature as much as i can
>only if you work for it
Very true and a good way of thinking of it, it definitely takes work and a lot of dedication to get to a place you want to be. What you said to the other person about cisfs helping you soulpass was really insightful too I will try to do that, I do notice a lot of women are helpful to trans women although not always of course.
You’re so mature thank you nona and tysm again for the email :) Im probably going to sleep now i’ll never forget this conversation TYYYY

>>43025662

When you say envy, I think that's the same thjng i'm talking about. Like, i reach for it but cannot find any attraction to women, but it js intense envy. I get aroused by the fact that I don't like women. Although even that is very slight. Normally I just get aroused by men. MEF at this point is almost something I have to forcibly inset myself into becaus eit doesnt come naturally. And AGP is almost nonexistent. Even if I try to force it. I can feel, satisfied and at peace with my body but not aroused.

>>43025685
oh that’s interesting i always thought that people usually started out having some kind of visual attraction to men. But if it gets built up to be hot that makes sense. To add on to what i’ve said before the one time i actually met up with a guy i got grossed out and noped out of the situation, perhaps I just needed some kind of mental conditioning idk

>>43025693

I mean, women also go through childhood and also play videogames lol. That's why we all have it. Oh and then the whole covid thing too. Childhood goes until age 28 these days lol.

>>43025706
>I feel like being bi would be most useful to train myself as?
Go as far as you can into being more androphilic. Stop when/if it's uncomfortable.
Don't be stuck into labels. Focus on skills.
Being attracted to men is unironically a skill too (up to a certain extent).
>tysm again for the email
write if/when you feel comfortable. If you're not in a hurry, you can know I will reply. Just don't forget to either link the thread or remind me.
Sleep well.

>>43023684
I feel very motivated by sexual fantasies, but not so much by the idea of changing my entire identity. Even so, I work daily to form habits of skincare, exercise, diet, etc. Sometimes the sexual feelings become so strong. I keep entertaining the idea of hooking up through an app or something, but it feels weird, or impure? And it makes me feel compartmentalized. Should I just ride it out (I am on hrt), and try to form a solid singular identity, or go the experimental route and try hooking up? I've been on hrt awhile, and have even passed, but it didn't bring me much joy, and I am having trouble changing my overall persona. It's like a deep part of me needs to be seen as a boy imitating / becoming a woman, rather than a woman.

>>43025739
>women also go through childhood and also play videogames lol
Yes, but in my country people are expected to grow out of it. Childhood in my country doesn't go to age 28, but age 16.
Sorry, you can't convince me of this. I look down upon gaming among adults like 99% of mature people my age in my country.
Adults in my country play a normalfag game occasionally (less than 10hrs/month) and most definitely don't talk about it.
>Oh and then the whole covid thing too
I was 30 when covid hit and recovering from srs. Good time to read books and have friends visiting me.
We're just different. I actively limit social media use and focus on my IRL life. It's a policy that has served me really well for so long that I see no reason to amend or reconsider.

>>43025706

>That’s a good point, I feel like being bi would be most useful to train myself as?

So this might be controversial but in my experience with orientation play, conversion, MEF/forcefem stuff, and also talking to my queer cis female friends,,

Basically the only thing you can "train yourself" to do is become more androphilic. Because androphilia is the only thing that lots of people repress... because being attracted to men is dangerous and overlaps with the fight or flight mechanism. And it's kind of a one way street for most people, you lean more into androphilia and get more addicted to it and gradually rewire around that.

Again I have no real theoretical explanation to support this it's just been my experience. For example there are a huge amount of "lesbians" on AO3 and reddit who are into LGD, rape and pregnancy fetishes. it's a parallelt to forcefem and sissification fetishes. But there aren't any gay men who fetishize gays getting turned straight by women

>>43025777

You should force yourself to have sex with men on Grindr. The worst that happens is you realize that it isnt actually for you.

Source: i did this and it really improved the trajectory of my life.

>>43025713
>I get aroused by the fact that I don't like women
Yeah, that's next level to me.
>MEF at this point is almost something I have to forcibly inset myself into becaus eit doesnt come naturally
Oh, that's unfortunate. Or it would've been unfortunate for me.
>And AGP is almost nonexistent
To the extent I had any agp, it's clearly nonexistent now. I'm at peace with being a woman but I certainly don't get wet over it.
>>43025736
>perhaps I just needed some kind of mental conditioning
bingo!
Call it "mental transition" if you want.

>>43025810

>unfortunate

Not really, i think 10 years of focus on MEF is enough, i've written and talked about it a LOT and still want to write some stories in this genre. You and i have almost certainly talked before over the past 2 or 3 years around here, in different threads. Now, i can move on to other things and relate to cis friends more. MEF going away =/= no sex drive. It's just like, an idea that runs its course.

>next level for me

It's not anything next level since it's essentially just the "I was supposed to be straight and date boys but instead I became a woman" thought loop. It can be triggered by almost anything. In fact I believe simply passing as female can trigger this for some people.

>>43025869
>Now, i can move on to other things and relate to cis friends more
Yeah, fair enough. Although I simply do both.
Because to me it's not just an idea. I certainly don't write stories lol. To me it just pushes my buttons to think about it during sex. And I like things that make me happy :3
But you're right, a year or two after srs I related even less with trannies IRL.
>You and i have almost certainly talked before over the past 2 or 3 years around here
Likely. Though I show up pretty rarely. But since there's very few mature mefs, we certainly bumped into each other heh.
>I was supposed to be straight and date girls* but instead I became a woman
>i presume you meant girls
I'm still in awe that this was possible. And very grateful for it.

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>>43023716
low key its hot to be an emasculated estrogenized girltwink rather than a normal girl. i mean its painful sometimes but lets be real its also swag as hell

>>43025984
real its my greatest fetish to be like a male concubine (but cisf passing) spoils of war and get carried off by barbarians or something

>>43023695
nobody else is normal about it, why would you expect them to be?

le bump

I think I might be the one non sexual MEF, like I hate being seen as masculine or within that gender role of the archetypal man (and I did try and do it by repressing) and I have the normal MEF fantasies largely (although I'm pretty bisexual about it) but I'm too repulsed by my body to actually engage with sex irl, it's like I look to male to engage with emasculation as a fantasy credibly.
I still get physical dysphoria, but people do seem to at least visually identify that I am fundamentally broken now at like 12 months HRT (boy/manmode), and don't try to put the patriarchal male expectation onto me as much.
>>43025795
How to get an STD 101
>>43023695
No, AGP is people who are aroused by appearing as women, where MEF is aroused by *not* appearing as men or failing as men.
It's a subtle distinction, but they are different.
>>43025276
>having to habitually deny that their transgenderism is a fetish
I don't know if my form of social dysphoria counts as a fetish or not, but in real terms, the only reason that doing things for fetish reasons is seen as bad is that the world is so prudish, there are too many spiritual teenagers who can't handle conversations around sexuality that aren't "normal".
Whenever I talk to people about kink stuff, I've felt way more comfortable being honest about my sexuality, etc.
Realistically it shouldnt matter if it's a fetish or not, people just make it matter.

>>43025538
>Katseye
Gross and stupid take

I went on sissy kik groups it's the most gross thing ever
All these years I was calling myself sissy based on the select aesthetic tumblrs that I browsed

How do I make myself not feel different when I go clothes market and want to browse the female side and make myself less 'threatening' without being weird
No I don't want to do it under the guise of buying for someone else
If I just become more fem will I feel comradere with the women I don't think so will it take care of the huge fomo when I see women and their youthful presentation
I feel nothing will be enough

>>43023684
Me me me me! I Gonna gets bussy plundered!

Oh no :sob: The mature nonas were itt and I wasn't around to ask.
By MEF standards I'm a luckshit. Exclusively androphilic since puberty, raised de facto feminine by a very loving grandmother, small frame by male standards, weak puberty (except for my voice) and my first boyfriend was into forcefem. Trouble is that he wanted me to be manly and I'm from the less fun part of Europe. So in the end I still didn't get to be youngshit.

>>43027139
This is why we should put all cute effeminate boys on estrogen

>>43027024
I think leaning into the emasculation part can help you break many mental barriers

>>43027219
The corrupt nature of this country meant I could get my hands on bica at age 16. Not ideal, but it likely helped.
I'm just upset that I should've been recovered from srs by now instead of being on a waiting list.
>we should put all cute effeminate boys on estrogen
definitely not all. But it should be an easy option offered to those who want it at least from age of consent (which is 15 here).
It's ridiculous. I was liable for taxes but couldn't legally buy estrogen with the taxed income. Couldn't buy it at 18 either because doctors said I'm not "sick" enough.

>>43027456
Unironically I do think there's a moral obligation to ensure that anyone who displays desire to be the opposite sex should be offered HRT at like 10 with appropriate counseling and whatnot.

>>43027467
Even I'm not that liberal, lol. Besides, propose that here and I have to leave the country for good.
Normalfags here are very tolerant of weirdo adults (to levels you anglos can't even begin to imagine). But the operative word is adults (that includes 15-16yo). Anything lower than that brings out the pitchforks and levels of violence that make the BLM riots legit look fiery but mostly peaceful, comparatively speaking.
>with appropriate counseling
Yeah, I wouldn't trust the doctors here with that at all. Their appropriate counseling deemed me ineligible at 21, lol (already ~5yrs on bica and 2yrs on contraband gel).
It's much easier to do like in Turkey: over the counter for anyone who has an ID (which is everyone over the age of 14). No bureaucracy, easy process, freedom for everyone to tweak around (I'm not forgetting my hrtwink friend either).

>>43027538
Well the stuff at 10 is for giga dysphorics. OTC stuff after 13 is important as well but catching early puberty is necessary for some.

>>43027538
Here in my SA country I got told to wait until my late teens or longer

so tired of seeing this mef tranny yap about herself in every thread on the topic

>>43027772
Who and why

>>43023684
this picture isn't MEF its just cute and wholesome

>>43027998
They aren't incompatible

>>43027255
I'm leaning into it I think but femininity is still a long way from emasculation and perfect femininity even more so

>>43028773
It's more like the emasculation being the motivation to embrace feminity. But of course it only works if you enjoy it

>>43028784
Femininity is the motivation for emasculation

>>43028795
Wouldn't that stop being MEF then?

>>43028801
No because it doesn't guarantee femininity and you still have to power through emasculation using the fetish

It seems like you MEFfers see femininity as weakness
I'm the opposite, I think power in society has the face of a woman

>>43028816
It's not about feminity being weakness but about the emasculation it brings to a man with feminine traits

>>43028814
That's only if you treat MEF as a tool to achieve feminity which goes beyond the fetish

>>43028868
Goes beyond but includes it

>>43028816
I don't see femininity or "womanhood" as weakness; I think failing to be able to be a man was a personal weakness.
Also, being submissive, masochistic, etc sexually doesn't mean a person is weak in all aspects of life. At least with men, I pretty much exclusively lean submissive, that doesn't mean I'm like weak for any guy off the street lmao

>>43026997

I'm actually a Kpop fan, you're a poser.

>>43026942

>muh STDs

Use protection?

>>43028816

>ree you are sexist because of your sexual fantasy!!!

women can have horny thoughts separate from their actual political beliefs.

I love MEF trannies so much. Just sets something off in my caveman brain how they want to be viscerally dominated and have the maleness fucked out of them, making them cum in defeat while I break them in and paint them inside and out with my seed like a territorial marking. I really want to dominate a tranny like this and make her give up her balls. I'm surprised this sentiment isn't more popular among tranny enjoyers, mayge I'm just a psycho

>>43030292
Chasers are kinda stereotyped for thinking like that actually

>>43027467
Many of us are ashamed and confused at that age. I believed it was a phase that will end after I get a girlfriend. Obviously didn't work.

>>43030537
That's what the counseling is for. I tried killing myself and also tried getting a girlfriend and it didn't work and just made me rep.

>>43029690
That's not kpop

>>43030576
Nothing seems to work, yeah. I am stuck in loop of repression.

>>43030603
ESTROGEN NOW

>>43030658
Too late. It wouldn't save me.

>>43030603
Just experiment, you don't have to go all or nothing.

>>43030670
I don't know about that. I could take HRT, maybe feel better mentally, maybe feel less horny, but that envy would still be there, possibly even stronger.

How do I cope with the fact that my natural effimacy has been dying through scrodingers cat effect
The more I become aware of it the more I feel shame and want to kill it

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>>43030669
>Fight! Cling to life!
>There is naught beyond this moment for those who will not give themselves whole to their cause.
>Come, nona. If you are truly awakened unto the world, you shall weather the fires of perdition unscathed!

when i try making a manly mean mugg squint face i look like a girl trying to look aggressive. zero intimidation

>>43030718
Idk how you can manage envy, maybe therapy. If hormones make you feel better then it's still a positive but you have to weight the pros and cons to know if it's for you

>>43030868
What are the pros and cons in your experience?

spent all day that i wasnt working watching makeup tutorials and kpop vlogs. i dont enjoy the former but the vlogs are ok. trying to brainwash mysle finto being a sissy.

>>43031375
Did you sense any progress?

>>43030895
Pros: Looking more feminine, potentially even passing. Also not masculinizing. Cons: can't see any myself lol, but some people dislike breast growth and potential infertility and atrophy.

>>43031632
Come on, there must be some cons.

>>43031754
I can't think of anything that won't turn you on

>>43032165
I got caught, I guess.

>>43030578

Wow. Wait. Really?? I'm shocked. You mean those girls aren't all korean? Wow. I'm going to stop listening to katseye because clearly kpop is an extremely aesthetically pure and traditional art form that needs to be protected against western influence. Thank you anonette. Thank you for opening my eyes with your enlightened take.

>>43025662
How were you functionally straight? How did you feel attraction to women and then attraction to men

>>43031573
before yes but now im kinda bored of it

>>43032983
Just focus on what's hot

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Idek if I have dysphoria or if I just have a fetish that has induced dysphoria in me.
My very earliest 'trans' memory is when I was in 1st grade, I remember laying in my bed having fantasies about being a girl and growing boobs, but those fantasies were always very sexual, even as a really young kid. I fantasized about growing boobs and rubbing them against other girls, even at like 5 years old.
Then, puberty, I am horny 24/7 but I jerk off exclusively to sissy and force femme stuff. At 16, I told myself I must be transgender because I have only ever jerked off to sissy/trans stuff, pretending to be the girl and aroused by the girl. Get on HRT at 18.
Pre-HRT I never really hated how I looked. I actually think I was pretty attractive, never struggled getting girls, my first semester of college I got plenty of attention from gay guys. Still really into force femme, humilitation, sissy stuff.
Get on HRT first semester of college, I slowly become more self conscious of my appearance. I'm now very self conscious about my brow ridge, my lack of hips, etc etc. Never cared about any of these things pre-hrt, suddenly very aware and sad by them.
27 now, still like sissy stuff, but have grown out of it. Mostly just jerk off to regular trans porn now. But irl I fantasize about being like a dumb sissy bimbo.
It feels like my entire 'transness' is rooted in sexuality. I'm not upset about it, but I definitely feel different than other trans women I've met. I think I just really like the humiliation aspect that comes with being emasculated and feminized. I don't even think it's like a result of trauma, I had a good childhood, no abuse. I think I was born this way, unironically, like I was born this faggy, fetishy weirdo.

>>43023684
mef stands form male emasculation fetish right? i only recently started seeing this acronym

>>43033010
hmm enjoyed it again. watcihng idolmasters cinderella out of groks suggestion. initially it was the most boring shit ever but now im smiling a lot and it's fun.

>>43033419
Nice what did you ask exactly?

>>43033178
I had a similar time of watching porn or reading smut like that as a teenager, but I felt the trans thoughts before then. I feel that liking it is probably due to just being trans on the inside than the reverse, I don’t think it will ever go away, it really does feel hot to be a woman and do things as a woman and imagining doing things as a man has never done much for me
>like i was born faggy
me too nona

>>43033220
yes it does

can to agp men be girlfriends but not in a dyke way?

i have some feminizing instructions, if u want i can give em to you it's relatively cozy. though know if u do it youre giving all your secrets to basically satan (musk/us gov). i try to use another browser and a shitty free nord vpn while using it but ive forgotten it a few times and i doubt it's enough since they can see your hardware id etc.

>>43033547
Sure please do

>>43033547
>>43033490
forgot to quote

>>43033562
It's fine I still saw ^^

>>43033569
https://pastebin.com/D9TNwte6
password:
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(added a password to be cool)

>>43033591
Thank you bbg!!

>>43023684
this is just gd reframed through the lens of misogyny prove me wrong (you can't, just like agp)

>>43033612
How's being into feeling like failed men misogynist?

>>43023695
lmao

>>43033636
as a MEF/sissy/AGP/whatever I can see how it's misogynistic.
I'm aroused by humiliation, submission, being seen and treated like lesser. I express this through feminization and assuming femme roles sexually/socially.
That begs the question, why is it humiliating to be feminine? Why is it lesser to assume femme roles? The entire fetish is predicated on traditional gender roles, where masculinity is above femininity.
I don't think it's too hard to see how women can find this misogynistic. That emulating them is supposed to be a humiliation for me.

>>43033764
Are those normal female roles or specifically ones that even them would find degrading?

>>43033220

It is

Masochistic emasculation fetishism

Anyone who tells you the acronym begins with "male" is an idiot who discovered this months ago. MEF was first popularized on the internet by a certain reddit user circa 2014 and those of us who actually have this know the history.

"Male emasculation" would not make sense.

Although incidentally, women can experience emasculation and so theoretically could experience MEF.

>>43033612

Actually you're misogynist for policing women's sexuality. Likely transphobic as well.

>>43033764
at least you are able to see it the way others see it. i see my femininity as empowering and then others will see it as degrading and it's so confusing and makes me not able to know if i'm being treated wrong or not

i want to preform a degrading gender role because i don't know why but it makes me feel good which makes me feel bad

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i think in the path of an MEF you reach an anti-MEF period where you have to embrace femininity in an unironic way (i.e not in a "hehe I'm a boy but I'm being feminized!" way). At least for me it's reached a point where those once hot MEF thoughts are now almost physically painful because I'd be fetishizing my own existence, or what I pretend to be my existence (my hypothetical or real existence as a feminine being). I can't take it anymore, I gotta either give it up or be feminine non-sexually. But I think this is cause of HRT because I never felt this way without it.

How is this not the same thig as agamp

>>43034493
Its 3 letters instead of 4 so its easier to remember

>>43034493
How is it the same? There's even someone in the thread who had SRS

>>43034493
Did you mean AGP? That's more of an umbrella term for anyone with interest of self-femininity, MEF or sissy or whatever else are more specific applications

>>43035144
The goals are different too

>>43034493
agamp is dickgirl fetish
mef is basically just degradation / emasculation while being a tranny

>>43035421
Not necessarily as a tranny

>>43032561
Just watch niki minaj or something

after reading this i had a daydream of a guy groping my boobs bleh,,

>>43028816
Lol how
What about power outside society

>>43023695
How can a man be just normal about wanting to be treated like a woman it's not a normal thing from any pov

>>43033512
Sensitive boys go in the fag bag

>>43034409
Mef can be non sexual because there are many ways you can feel lesser as a feminine person physical strength for one

>>43033178
Yeah I always identified with the woman in distressing scenarios in films as a kid and tried to act out the parts and coomed without getting hard

>>43036394
I'm into things that women would find degrading too, so it's not the fact of being a woman that I see degrading itself

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Yall should check out soshi aka snsd aka gg.

>>43036410
I mean yeah
But it's degrading to the male side

>>43036443
Yeah because the point is that it's happening to you as a man, that's why feminization plays into the feeling of emasculation

>>43036452
You want feminization but you still have to put up appearances as a man and you're being torn in half

>>43036466
I don't have to put appearances anymore

>>43032768
anon you're responding to
>How were you functionally straight
Started my sex life at 15, had no troubles attracting girls. In 2012 I had just broken up from my gf with whom everyone thought I'd marry.
>How did you feel attraction to women and then attraction to men
I certainly had some level of androphilia but never cultivated it. So I started cultivating it. Gay festivals, socializing with fags and bifags, appropriate porn and affirmations have slowly cultivated it in 12-14 months. Adding hrt (enby levels first) accelerated the process.

>>43023684
Is there any other ftm with MEF

>>43023684
I’m MEF because it’s a fetish that forces into doing things that I want but am too cowardly to do.

>>43039364
>it’s a fetish that forces
no fetish forces anyone into doing anything.
a fetish is usually an expression of another deeper desire.
read: https://medium.com/@kemenatan/its-just-a-fetish-right-91cb0a4e261

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>>43039403
Based

>>43039382
> It’s Just a Fetish, Right?
> Maybe. Or maybe it’s gender dysphoria.

How am I supposed to know??

>>43041788
>How am I supposed to know??
I posted the article for the explanation that a fetish is (often) an expression of a deeper desire.
Idgaf if it's GD or not. I trooned for the fetish and because I want(ed) to. In another year or so I'll join >>43025177 among the happy "faketrans"

One thing that seems to be common with mefs is that they all start around ~23.
I used to think it's a form of agp but it probably isn't. I mean I don't get a kick out of presenting fem and don't quite tick the agp boxes. Still trooning though.

i have like a combination of this and agp

>>43023734
got done doing what

>>43034409
>>43039382
Both of these say that hrt changed the sexual feelings into painful ones.

>>43045920
not any of those anons but also mef
what exactly is painful in getting exactly what I wanted?

>>43045256
Same. Femboy or Femgirl is good

>>43046083
Hard agree

Been watching FEMALE entertainment and my mind views it through the lens of hierarchy purely and objective value, so I'm trying to view for the "vibes" and more intuitively

>>43042948
So I guess the conclusion is that it doesn't really matter. What matters is achieving what you desire?

>>43045256
it comes with agp
>>43047339
i even watch male entertainment for the vibes whats the big deal

>>43047375
That is my train of thought, yeah. The closer I get to what I desire, the happier I am. Who gives af why I desire this? Life's too short for such ruminations.
Not to mention that a lot of the arguments about this are bad faith attempts to force the conclusion that it's a porn-induced fetish. And I'm like... even if that is the case, so what?

>>43024181
> Seriously, you have no idea how perverted cisfs really are, especially the professional women who are basically my circle (I work in a global corp).
I’m 15 years hrt myself and it’s wild how perverted they are, I’m there with them though

>>43048817
Well I don't enjoy it when I watch rationally. So I gotta try to watch irrationally

is wanting to be a tradwife and sahm to a couple of adopted kiddos with a rich husband mef

>>43039288

Not OP but yes FtMs, lesbians, and cishet women can all experience MEF. It's a context dependant fetish, anyone who possesses any masculinity as part of their identity including symbolically as part of an acquired identity can experience masochistic emasculation

>>43036007

I also like western pop obviously so i listen to all of them i'm not an asian weeaboo a out kpop but Nicki Minaj specifically is absolute trash

>>43049344
that was the point

>>43039288
here come the parasitic afabs

>>43049112
whats some mef series to watch is sex and the city mef since they used to say it was for gays or something mostly
already watched euphoria too zooomery

>>43049100
>I’m there with them though
yeah, for sure. But it took a while to adjust. It was quite a bit of a shock the first few times.

>>43049749
>It was quite a bit of a shock the first few times.
Tell us more?

>>43049759
Unlike guys, women actually talk about sex in way more detail when it's just us girls. It's literally the opposite of the stereotype everyone assumes. Most women think men sit around swapping filthy stories and bragging about their conquests, because that's exactly what women do. So we just project it onto them.
Even though I've always been pretty perverted (thanks to my MEF side), I was still genuinely shocked the first time I saw it in action. There was this super sweet, innocent-looking woman from the other office, the kind you'd never expect, and at a girls' night out she just casually launched into this incredibly detailed description of her rape fantasies. Out of nowhere. It was hot and disturbing at the same time. Hot because... well, I have those same fantasies and I love cnc too. Disturbing because I realized if a man ever talked about that stuff the way she did, he'd clear the room in seconds. It honestly took me over a year of being around women to really understand how women navigate all of this. The openness, the boundaries, the way we share without it feeling threatening, it's really different from what men think.
Not that I'm complaining at all. I've gotten so much better at soulpassing because of it, and I've picked up some really fun new tricks to drive my man wild.
The same goes for the way women complain about their boyfriends and husbands in bed. The first few times I heard it, my jaw was on the floor. If I ever lose my job, I could probably make a killing as a sex counselor for straight men. They have no clue how much they can actually get away with and how ridiculously happy it would make their wives if they just tried a little.
I think I notice these little nuances more deeply because I used to live as a straight man. For cis women, this is just normal life. But the trannies who never actually befriend cis women and stay in their bubbles? They're never going to fully soulpass. You just can't learn this stuff from the outside.

>>43023684
What do I do if my attraction to men and MEF have completely gone away and I miss it?

>>43050023
Appreciate your response. CNC is the hottest kink.

>>43050041
What led to going away?
Some are "cured" of mef by srs but in that case just lean into basic straight woman life, ig.

>>43049593

Only on 4chan do I see that instead of discussing choreography, lyrics, yoonchae's age, HYBE corruption or the recent racism controversy, the attack is..... some nonsensical comparison about a rapper from another decade. The implication being sex is bad or black women annoying or something or I don't even know. Why don't you go listen to Taylor Swift or something more age approriate.

>>43049614
gossip girl