it's ok to be gay and prefer penises to franken-fleshlights, yes

yeah

>>43274176
Based please de-brainworm trans girls of their bottom dysphoria, srs does nothing and shortens ones life.

>>43274176
>>43274181
>>43274204
proof cissies are unfortunately undateable

>>43274176
How are you supposed to cross peen sabers with your gf if she gets the surgery???

I got srs and all the disgusting, diseased closet gay men stopped bothering me, and now i only sleep with straight men who love vagina

>>43274204
So dick size determines lifespan got it

>>43275689
yeah tbhon you were smarter than me, this is the move. if you wanna get srsussy do it, otherwise the bottom chasers will drown you

>>43274204
>srs shortens ones life.
Proof?

>>43274176
Dating pool for trans people is already super limited to bisexuals and some gays. SRS tends to filter out even more. Personally, idc what people do to their body. It's just obviously going to make things harder. A lot of this board seems to be like a few SRS havers regretting their decision and attempting to drag others down like crabs in a bucket.

The few guys I've ever met who'd date a tranny said pretty explicitly that SRS is just a really gross, imperfect surgery. I've even seen a lot of trannies who don't want a dick yet would never get SRS. The science isn't there yet.

>>43276108
>A lot of this board seems to be like a few SRS havers regretting their decision and attempting to drag others down like crabs in a bucket.
What makes you think that?

>>43276108
i love how shit like this comes from people who don't have neovaginas and have never interacted with one yet are for some reason taken as more authoritative than what those of us who have one have to say about it

>>43276283
Chasers who like dick want trannies to keep their dicks so it's not super surprising to see these comments around.

>>43276494
Chasers are fucking gross desu. Let people do what they want with their own bodies.

>>43274204
>srs shortens ones life
is this part of that semen retention pseudo-science

>>43276017
I like doing two things.

I go in grindr, i chat to moids. I say, "are you ok with dick?" They say ofcourse. I reply, sorry i have a vagina, i dont sleep with faggots

Secondly i like hooking up with hot men, and not telling them I've had srs, but that i am trans. They utter shock when they see a vagina is hilarious. A lot actually think i was lying to test then, and that im cis gender.

>>43276108
>94% of moids are straight
>get vagina

>"uhhhhu actually you're shrinking your dating pool not making it larger"

Based on what? Because i have a neo pussy and the amount of men interested is higher than ever. So whats your statement based on? Mumsnet?

I have similar worries and my answer is to only date trans women who are totally fine keeping the dick or ones who have already had SRS for awhile. If it's fully healed and they aren't having problems I don't think it would bother me at all. I just don't really like the idea of suck a drastic physical change to the person I'm dating that has such a high impact on how we have sex, especially one that can result in them getting fucked over if things go really bad. Maybe it's just some of the horror stories that might not even be real getting to me, but I also haven't eaten a banana since I saw a video of a spider breaking out of the skin, so I'm probably just overly susceptible that kinda thing in general.

>>43276520
how does that make any sense given that women live longer
>>43276637
hilarious
i also like turning "transbians" into a boyfriend
>>43276648
>>43276711
yeah once it's been done for a while there's really nothing to it..we just have a pussy like every other girl

>>43276905
>yeah once it's been done for a while there's really nothing to it..we just have a pussy like every other girl

I love how the brain adapts and is like "yep, thats real right" feels right to have a vagina.

>>43275915
>>43276032
>>43276520
your brain operates differently if you don't have that physical part of you it doesn't go, this is women it's more like this is neutered. It's Import that one go through lifes developmental stages. I think it makes sense to get neutered at some point in a transition but it really does take years to get to that point and there's no good reason to stress about it.

>>43274176
it's not gross at all to be hesitant and cautious about such a big thing, it is gross to just be irrationally against it due to prioritizing your own hunger for cock over your tranny's well being

it’s not surprising trans women’s vaginas have completely normal sensation. cis women who need vaginal reconstructive surgery for birth defects or accidents are in the same boat

>>43276637
>I go in grindr, i chat to moids. I say, "are you ok with dick?" They say ofcourse. I reply, sorry i have a vagina, i dont sleep with faggots
Dangerously based.

>>43277239
Eunuchs lived for longer than moids.

>>43277239
this is completely made up

>>43276108
100% true. I had to break things off more than once because of the state of what they had going on and the smell. Apparently not an uncommon experience. You might be right about the bucket thing, people make SRS propaganda every day and shit on MTFs with no interest in it. Buyer's remorse lol

>>43276108
Lol, I have the same dating pool as cis women after my srs. You are delusional

>>43279418
>the same dating pool as cis women
lol no you don't

have you ever seen a srsussy irl
i ask because the internet is full of horror stories that are mostly a psyop to instil the exact sense of disgust that you feel
theres also a preconceived bias a lot of cis people have to such surgery, based on projecting their own ideas of bodily sanctity and pureness on to trans people. eg: 'i think surgery is unnatural and therefore bad because i like my own body as it is'

SRS is just gross. Your body do what you want. But don't get it from peer pressure of people who can't get laid from their decision

>>43279494
I haven't, no, what are they like exactly? I assume they don't have clits, and I have no idea how it'd compare to a cis one, is it possible to get sexual pleasure from them? Might be a dumb question but idk, it seems like that surgery would do a number on the nerve endings down there.

>>43276108
Bisexuals and some gays? This shit is killing me man, what's been happening lately? Men who don't mind that trans girls have a dick are gay now? Also>>43276637 trans girls who get the ick and find it pathetic if a guy doesn't inmediately get grossed out at the idea of a girl with a dick. Have chasers poisoned the well so much now that any man who isn't disgusted by the idea of dating a trans girl is creepy and gross? Does chaser just mean "man who doesn't mind the dick" now?

>>43279693
>Men who don't mind that trans girls have a dick are gay now?
How would you describe dick loving men? Be for real.. thats not hetero.

>>43279671
Srs vagina has a clit and it works fine

>>43279763
Can't believe we're entering the age of lgbt discourse where trans girls now only wanna date super straight men. No I don't wanna suck on the dick, no, my attraction is not exclusively fixated on the dick, yes if my partner just so happens to have a dick I will not be grossed out by it, and yes I may even get some sexual pleasure from seeing it flop around uselessly while we fuck or poke fun of how much smaller it is to mine

>>43277561
sample size pls
>>43277615
Actually say something with more substance please.

>>43279797
Yes, and girls don't want to date men who like penis "flopping" around. Sorry but you are just icky

>>43279797
Even if a guy wants to suck on the dick or is attracted to it there's literally no reason why that's bad, there's no real argument, it's just a matter of sexual incompatibility if you ask me, idk why trannies try to moralize it by saying "oh they are pathetic and trying to fetishize me", you can just say that it gives you the ick that a guy would want to suck a penis because it breaks the image of masculinity, or say that it makes you feel sad because you hate your own penis and someone else liking it meshes wrong in your brain, it's ok to have these feelings, don't make it about the dude being evil somehow.

>>43279828
bitches will say stuff like this and then complain toxic masculinity exists.

>>43279833
>>43279841
Its normal form women to find homosexual partners not ideal. Why are you dating a woman if you like male parts so much? Pretty weird. Thank god for srs

>>43279833
You are fucking gross

>>43279828
literally what is the right thing to do in this situation, just lie and say you hate it? Or maybe just date cis people because it turned out to be true that trannies were mentally ill after all.

>>43279855
Because I'm straight I don't wanna fuck men

>>43279860
Why?

>>43279833
The truth is that only the terminally online ones are like this. All the trannies I've dated largely don't care about those kinds of things. Though I did meet one with bottom dysphoria that said to not touch it and that was that. None of the retarded moralizing about it. But it's w/e. Like the other comment said the dating pool is limited for trannies to begin with, this kind of self sabotage isn't really an issue for anyone but them. The old saying that you can get the tranny out of an incel but can't get the incel out of a tranny rings true for this board lmao

>>43279833
>there's no real argument
Argument is that its not sexy for women to date a man like that. I want a man who is only into women, a straight man. Bisexual men are the reason why aids did ever spread to female population.
People not finding you attractive is reason enough

>>43274176
Nah. Feel the exact same about it as a transwoman.

>>43279868
You are not straight if you, as a man, like penis sexually. Thats same sex attraction (homo)
Why is it so hard to admit? You are some kind of bisexual and most women don't like that, you just have to cope with that a bit better.

>>43279868
Because you you dehumanise us.

Go and suck dick with another gay man and leave us alone. So glad i have a vagina so creeps like you stay away

>>43279870
The fact you seem to date so many trans women is already a major red flag. Eeww

>>43279875
Hi terf

I don't have a horse in this race other than to say that the dudes I've known who are willing to date trans people have pretty much blacklisted SRS. Apparently it's a really awkward and bad experience sexually. I don't think what others want in a sexual sense should matter for your treatment though if you have bad bottom dysphoria. I don't have bottom dysphoria and will be keeping my gock personally.

>>43279897
Huge red flag, any guy who does this is very bad news

>>43279870
>Like the other comment said the dating pool is limited for trannies to begin with
My dating pool is fine now that got rid of my gay man lure

>>43279872
The idea that everything else about me could be attractive to a woman but then she learns that I don't think a dick is that gross and she inmediately loses interest makes me quite sad, I thought only cis women did this though, so I never talked to my ex about topics like these, but trans women too? Even though most of them have one? Kinda crazy.

>>43279904
>i spoke to 5 bottom chaser perverts and they all said they hate vagina

Amazing

>>43279904
>Apparently it's a really awkward and bad experience sexually.
Its not. If anything its a major upgrage from anal sex

>>43279897
>>43279910
I honestly don't care about slut shaming considering how common hypersexuality and personality disorders are for you guys. I'm not progressive and only dated trannies that pass and have no hope of a normal life. You can cry about it if you want to, my primary dating pool is cis to begin with. I do find it funny that supposed trannies would ever moralize against promiscuity.

>>43279893
Dehumanise how? You are literally being a human right now. See you are doing the thing where you're moralizing it, at no point in my words have I ever objectified or fetishized anyone, but because I say "I don't mind a girl having dick and it's frustrating that people will have an inmediate reaction of disgust upon learning this" you inmediately dehumanize ME

>>43279922
Nona...SRS isn't vagina by any imagining

>>43279928
Who gives a fuck, no seriously. You like dick. Ok, cool, go find someone comfortable with having you do that.

Nice bit of collective dehumanisation, showing your true colours

>>43279928
You sound so very attractive, what a catch

>>43279939
Shall we ask your dad how it feels?

I have a clit, i can get wet, i get discharge. Its a miracle i am alive at the same time this technology is available.

Which neo vagina technique did you have?

>>43279940
I don't particularly care about dick lmao. I primarily date cis women. You're confusing me for another anon maybe. And yeah, I dehumanize incels wearing trans colors because you guys aren't being realistic to begin with. I don't know why you expect people to give a shit about what you think when most of you are pallid insecure NEETs

>>43279872
>>43279886
This is super gross. What's next, a man gets the ick from a girl who has had a lesbian relationship in the past? Or better yet, getting the ick because her ex was a transman and she didn't mind the pussy or maybe was attracted to it?

I would never judge a woman like this for doing this, as far as I'm concerned, that woman was just engaging and exploring with love and sexuality in a normal way.

But a man doesn't get grossed out by penises? Eeewwww gross fucking prn addict go back to jerking off to Astolfo pathetic bitch... go suck a dick with your other chaser friends faggot I only date REAL straight men!

>>43279955
So why are you even here? Go date cis women

>Is it really so gross for a man dating trans woman to be hesitant about her getting bottom surgery?
there's nothing wrong with your preferences. what's "gross" is that you think you have a right to dictate what your gf does with her body

>>43274176
Eh SRS is kind of gross. I don't want it desu. Idk what's up with the peer pressure

>>43279955
I'm also a third party and if you think it's a good idea to dehumanize anyone you are part of the problem, full stop lol.

>>43279957
>What's next, a man gets the ick from a girl who has had a lesbian relationship in the past? Or better yet, getting the ick because her ex was a transman and she didn't mind the pussy or maybe was attracted to it?
That would all be fine? You cannot force sexual attraction

Honestly, it's not that I prefer dick but SRS would kill the bedroom for me. If my gf wanted it I'd just break up instead of drag out a horrible situation for both of us.

t. Bisexual top

>>43279973
Yeah but I sure as hell will not go around saying that the woman is somehow being gross or objectifying anyone, the woman did no wrong, if someone isn't attracted to her it's not because she did anything wrong.

You're framing the reverse scenario, the one of a man being bi or not minding a penis, as if there IS something wrong with him, as if he should be ashamed of it for some reason, as if he's lesser, why?

i just don't think non-ops are valid because they identify with their sex as assigned at birth which is why their cry of gender dysphoria is illegitimate

>>43279671
Nobody would get SRS if it didn't give you a clit and sexual pleasure.

>>43279973
>Can't force sexual attraction
The thread should have ended with this comment. There are people who don't like SRS and that's fine. Just don't date trans women who want SRS. Why is it an argument?

>>43279989
You don't have to dehumanize others for not having your particular flavor of dysphoria dude

>>43279997
the point of the thread was never this though, obviously if a woman really wants srs and it's not your thing, then fine, an incompatibility, shucks, my issue is how the concept of a man not being keen on srs is often frams as the man being gross, a chaser, objectifying trans people, "you only liked her cause she had a dick like in your gooner fantasies, you are a faggot and now that she's getting a pussy you're bailing".

>>43279982
>Bisexual
>wants to keep dick

Gay. And that's cool. But why dont you date cis and tmen?

>>43279983
Lesbians or bisexual women never had history of infecting their husbands with aids or other stds.
Its just not the same when a woman does it. Women are naturally more selective and harder to impress than men. Trans women on hrt have the same natural behaviors as cis women. Men can be dangerous so we need to choose our mates carefully

>>43279969
What's the 'problem' even supposed to be here? That the dude is promiscuous and doesn't like SRS? That SRS troons look down on those without bottom dysphoria and people who don't care about optics? This shit is retarded dawg I can see why people avoid dating trans in general when every little thing has to be some titanic struggle for validity or blatant prejudice against everyone outside of this insular little fag bag

>>43280010
so you're just mentally ill then got it

>>43280008
Because many trans women keep their gock you larper lol

>>43280006
Becauae theres a mismatch here.

The bottom chasers who like dick are hyperthetical in their dislike of srs they've never been with a woman whos had srs.

The girls here have extensive irl experince with closet chasers. We've been sexually assaulted irl by such men. We've been dehumanised and victimised. Its in our interest to stay far far away from men like that.

I got srs because im a woman. If a man likes me, me, as a person, he will understand that. The dehumanisation is horrid in this thread.

>>43280001
that's the point. you think there's fluidity which is why your arguments fall apart. medicine has rigidity to it. is covid the same as bird flu? no.

>>43280006
People who want to date hetero men don't see you as attractive. That should not be an issue. Go date the girls who think you are ok

>>43280008
He pretty explicitly said that it's not that he wants to keep dick, it's only that SRS is off the table. Bisexual top means he fucks cis women too. idk where you're getting gay

>>43280024
Fucking horrible anon. Many keep it because top tier srs is expensive.

I paid for mine upfront, i understand thats a position of privilege.

The fact that you admit to your gross fetish in this post speaks volumes. You are beneath contempt

>>43279418
what because some consertative idiot doesn't want to date me?
1. yes they do I've seen them do it
2. I don't want to date them so they were never part of the pool to begin with
>>43279494
of course they hold themselves to different standards too. they'd instantly get surgery if presented with the right circumstances, and the "disgust" is just a reflection of the fact that they've never had a serious medical condition
>>43279671
of course we have clits. we have sex in all the normal ways.
>>43279904
if it's such a bad experience sexually than what about the handful of men i've had sex with WITHOUT EVEN TELLING
how did that even work?

>>43280019
your projecting your issues onto a group of people you have more in common with then you will ever admit and so the cycle of hatred moves ever onward. don't pretend like you care .

>>43279997
These threads are always framed as "don't get SRS otherwise "I" won't be attracted to you!" concern trolling. Disgusting behavior from people who've never had SRS or seen a SRSussy.

>>43280033
A bisexual top that doesnt like vagina isnt bisexaul.

He explicitly refered to trans womens gentilia as a "gock" thats dehumanisation

>>43280028
I understand you've bveen through some painful experiences and this topic may be sensitive for you but I don't think this thread has been particularly dehumanizing, sure there have been some rude people but not much other than that, definitely nothing out of the ordinary for 4chan.

>>43280034
I'm mtf and never plan to lose it. More prominent MTFs like Arielle Maxine also never plan to lose it. Obviously if a girl wants to get SRS their partner should respect it or move on. Why are you saying that someone NOT liking SRS specifically is a fetish? I don't feel that guys I date are fetishizing me

>>43274176
im a tranny and I felt the same way until I dated a woman who had gotten bottom surgery. she didnt maintain depth (she had gotten it 8 years prior to us being together) so I could barely even get a finger in there, but overall it was a non-issue and imo tasted better than cis pussy anyway. ive gotten surgery since and my bf like its a lot. Just make sure she goes to a competent surgeon and not the easiest/fastest.

>>43280046
Thats your choice.

But you are defending literal rapists.

>>43280010
>>43280020
When people think about bi men:
>"ugh they are faggots they like sucking dicks, they are effeminate and promiscuous, ewwwwww!!"
When people think about bi women:
>"they are kinky and probably more chill and open minded than straight women, BASED"

It is what is. If you are bi and prefer women just lie about your gay past.

>>43280051
Dude, what?

>>43280057
If you dont want srs, thats cool. Your body, your choice.

This thread isnt about that. This thread is about closet bottom chasers trying to control trans women.

I'm bi and prefer men but women have been easier in my experience. I just don't like women in general, personality wise and such. I don't date trans and don't know why I opened this thread desu

>>43280039
Shitass I didn't make this thread because I want to manipulate people into not chaging their bodies so they can catter to my fetishes, trans women are women so to them it's easy as hell to get laid with anyone, they don't need ME, if I don't wanna fuck 'em they'll find someone else.

I made this thread because lately I've more often been seeing the sentiment that if you're a guy and you find the idea of SRS kind of gross because you've never seen a neovag or you've heard horror stories online the inmediate reaction people seem to have is "oh it's because you're a chaser with a dick fetish gross that's the only reason you dated a trans person eww faggot get out of here".

>>43274176
OP you're not attracted to SRS and should just break up. There's nothing wrong with you. I broke up with my gf over the same thing and we're on very good terms. I set her up with a friend and they're getting married soon. You can't force sexual attraction.

>>43280065
You are literally proving my point >>43280065

>>43280072
>i have an emotional reaction based on disgust of the hyperthetical that isnt rooted in my personal experience

>whoah, why is everyone calling me out

>>43280075
What point, you are incoherent

I also broke up over SRS. She wanted me to stay but I didn't want to put us through that. With a cis girl now. There's nothing wrong with incompatibility, it sucks but it happens.

>>43280072
>if you're a guy and you find the idea of SRS kind of gross
Lots of guys also find menstruation gross. Just means you're not fit to be a partner if a woman, lol.
> "oh it's because you're a chaser with a dick fetish gross that's the only reason you dated a trans person eww faggot get out of here".
I don't think there's anything wrong with preferring to date someone with a penis (it's what I'm doing after all, lol). It's super messed up to try to control other people's bodies though.

>>43280086
I hope she stabs you in your sleep

>>43280090
What? Why?

>>43280093
You treat people badly

>>43280046
>More prominent MTFs like Arielle Maxine also never plan to lose it
A porn actor, a sex worker.. of course.
My idols ain't whores. Imagine if it was commong for cis girls to say their idol is whore

>>43280103
She acted in porn? I've seen onlyfans stuff but nothing more?

>>43280028
>>43280044
the idea that men would tell women who were unfortunate enough to be born with defective genitals in a way that is perfectly correctable should just not do so because the men like it is disgusting and dehumanizing
would you tell your sister not to fix her vagina and to just deal with fucked up men?
>>43280088
men seem to find everything to do with vaginas gross but what they refuse to understand is that there's not a cure for us having (needing to have) one

tl:dr of this thread is that incompatibility exists and that's okay. SRS isn't the same as a vagina and may cause incompatibility. there's nothing more to read into or to moralize about it

>>43280122
Lots of little girls who have been raped by men have to get reconstructive vagina surgeries and they describe male doctors being disgusted by them. These little girls have had shit leaking through their vagina because of damage done to it when they were raped.
Being anti srs is misogynistic and thats what a lot of men are.

>>43280159
Can you not say gross things eww

>>43280131
>some guys are gay. they like dick.
/thread.

>>43280131
>SRS isn't the same as a vagina

Its a lot closer than the default, and the same techniques used on mtfs are used on cis women

>>43280172
I'm straight, currently dating a cis woman. I've only ever dated two trans women. One pre-op (not sure if that's accurate since she never planned on getting the surgery) and one post op. I found SRS was just ...unique. I'm not sure how to describe it or why but I wasn't able to be aroused after I saw it. Never had an issue with cis women. I could even ignore the dick for the pre-op girl. But SRS was something I couldn't get over and we just awkwardly parted ways. Afaik she did find a partner eventually though, just a me problem ig.

I'm only chiming in because you guys are dehumanizing other trans girls and men by just calling everyone who doesn't vibe with SRS gay. Very immature.

>>43280167
rectovaginal fistulae exist unfortunately
despite all the hoopla the rate of incidence in srs isn't any higher than in childbirth, so why do you hear so much about us getting them and not mothers getting them?
>>43280173
it's interesting after srs i had several cis women talk to me about their gynecological stuff (mostly childbirth consequences). turns out severe vaginal trauma causes the same sort of shit no matter how it occurred. but women are taught to be quiet about this stuff and men mostly either don't know or put it out of their mind quickly. many do directly refuse to learn just like these chasers who dismiss our vaginas as gross

>>43274176
kys

>>43280039
Why do you care if some guys won't be attracted to you? I don't like SRS personally but it's just my sexual attraction which I can't control. I've been rejected due to having green eyes before, you can't take it personally lol

>>43280103
I saw in some threads last year rumors about her being a porn actress and whore but no proof? From what I gathered it was some disgruntled ex or something spamming threads

>>43280209
that's just transphobia. you can't accept a neovagina because you still see them as men and the idea of surgically altering the penis gives you ego death.

>>43280247
Honestly, if you see it that way, that's okay. I don't agree and won't feel bad about my sexual preferences.

>>43280230
because men who don't like srs fall into two camps
1. they just don't like vaginas and are just gay and it is very obvious why straight girls want nothing to do with them
2. they have all sorts of hang-ups about medical procedures or women in general and again no sane girl would want to have anything to do with them

>>43280255
i know you don't feel bad about your preference. i'm just explaining to the class what's going on behind the curtain so to speak. you think i care about or am trying to shame you rather than a zookeeper talking about the specimen they brought on good morning america.

>>43280103
The only sex work she did was onlyfans but not a lot. Beyond her fairly low activity Instagram accounts.

>>43280290
>>43280291
You guys are crazy. Touch grass.
t. Post op MtF

Some people are very narcissistic and will take offense and pathologize something as simple as incompatibility. It's very sad. I hope they get help.

>>43280290
If they want pussy they can fuck biological women.
If they want dick (but dislike men) they can fuck trans women.

You SRS trannies have nothing to offer to the table. Unless you wanna screw some hetero retarded losers lol.

if you're a white guy and you would never date a black woman and you're reasoning is that you don't find black people attractive, that's racist.

you're entitled to your preference, but your preferences expose the unconscious biases associates with your character.

i don't care if you're a racist. you might not be a full on clan member, but you're still racist. being polite about it doesn't justify an irrationally held belief.

>>43280247
why can't you just accept neo vags are gross and it's not men being gay or pathetic

>>43280366
because you try to segregate neo vag's from natal vag's arbitrarily as if men don't call natal vag's axe wounds.

>>43280362
There's already been several threads explaining that attraction is not that simple and that this is horribly flawed logic. Some of you need to read a book or something istg. You can't control attraction. Attraction is not exclusively physical. You wouldn't say someone is bigoted for not dating short people.

>>43280080
My point is this>>43280072


>>43280077
>>43280088
At no point have I tried to control anyone's body, but based on a variety images and stories I have seen over the years, the idea I have of an SRS vagina in my head is just not attractive, and to imply that I am being manipulative or closeted gay or controlling and creepy simply for feeling this way is something I find troubling.

>>43280394
I have never seen anyone call natal vag an axe wound.

>>43280400
that's disingenuous.

>>43280406
that's cognitive disonance.

>>43280418
I have

>>43280406
>in my head

Spotted the problem. Feel free to stop posting

Whole thread is pure transohobia, closeted gay men and hated for vagina in general.

Chasers have proved, yet again, they are disgusting and should be avoided

>>43280418
>terfs that don't realize how much misogynists hate them.
the enemy of your enemy isn't your friend. sometimes they're just another enemy

>>43280432
>Every image and story about something you see online seems gross or weird
>Said thins is uncommon and hard to find irl so this is the only source of information you have
>Assume the thing is gross or weird based on what you have been able to see
>Nooooo you're a chud for falling for the propaganda!

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>>43280443
I love vaginas just not frankenpussies

>>43280459
I wish more creeps were as obvious as you, it would make it a lot easier to avoid bad people

>>43280455
>online

I read online you're a paedophile, must be true

>>43280480
I'm yet to read any reason why I'm somehow bad other than your irrational reaction simply because I don't feel attracted to your neovag

>>43280487
but fox news is 100% legit. they didn't get sued over claiming the election was stolen.

https://apnews.com/article/fox-news-dominion-lawsuit-trial-trump-2020-0ac71f75acfacc52ea80b3e747fb0afe

was the 2020 election stolen? fox paid out nearly 800million dollars over their claim that it was stolen rather than go to trial to prove it.

>>43280230
I don't care, I just think you are gay and would not had dated you anyway. Its the men who cannot cope with being seen as gay (homosexual)
I thinks its internalized homophobia

>>43280499
No one cares what you're attracted to.

You're just here to stir arguments

>>43280509
Fox news is a bunch of lies

Chasers dehumanise trans women

Bears suspected to shit in the woods

>>43280513
Thinking a man is less masculine and less attractive simply because he doesn't mind a dick and prefers an ass rather than a fake pussy is unironically spreading toxic masculinity. >>43280054 It's wild peoplñe thinks this way too, even if the man isn't straight and he IS bisexual, why is THAT a dealbreaker? That's homophobia as well.

>>43280209
You don't sound very heterosexual if you are fine with loving male genitals
>>43280317
No hetero man wants dick tho. These men should stop claiming they have exclusive opposite sex attraction when its not true.

>>43280531
>spreading toxic masculinity
good.
i don't want weak men.

>>43280522
You seem to care a lot, given your instant reaction of trying to undermine my sense of masculinity and also insulting me simply for expressing myself even though I wasn't judging anybody

>>43280531
>unironically spreading toxic masculinity
Ok? You are not entitled to womens attraction. Lots of women also find it nasty if you like to poke your butthole and them sniff your fingers. You are not everyones cup of tea

i hust think if you have a dick and are with a partner that has a dick, then it's gay. simple as.

>>43280532
I don't wanna fuck dudes though so how is it gay, is a guy who has only ever fucked cis girls and a t girl with a dick somehow bisexual even though he doesn't want to fuck a guy ever?

>>43280558
Yes, cause he is into the male parts? I want a man who is not into male parts. Pretty simple

>>43280558
straight guys don't bang trannies. they beat them.

>>43280547
sure but that has nothing to do with the argument, no one is entitled to anyone's attraction but if you see a guy declare "I only want to fuck girls with balloon tits and green eyes and blonde hair" most people would have an instanct reaction of "this guy is a retard" and would even make philosophical arguments about unhealthy body standards or some shit, even though the guy is not obligated to find other types of women attractive, I can still point out his sense of attraction to women is stupid.

>>43280568
I wouldn't call a woman bisexual if she has a past relationship with a trans man and she didn't mind the pussy, she had sex with a dude, even if he was trans, not with a woman, it is completely possible for her to not be sexually attracted to women.

You are using transphobic arguments.

>>43280592
no you're just misrepresenting what transphobia is.
i would say your argument is invalid as womem are often autosexual so who the partner is matters less and is more easily influenced by outside societal norms.

>>43280615
>It's ok for me to be grossed out by a dude if he fucked a girl with a penis before because it makes him bisexual but if a girl fucks a trans man she's not bisexual and it's okay because of this thing I just made up

We are reaching clown levels we previously thought not possible.

>>43280624
primary sex characteristics matter. if you engaged in a same sex relationship, then it's gay. simple as.
the woman that dated a trans man is not 100% straight, so yes. that makes them bisexual.

the problem is chasers want to be acknowledged as 100% when they aren't. it revolves around societal homophobia still being very real in society in modernity. if you have a dick and your partner has a dick, it's gay.

stop placating people's ego's.

>>43279828
Uhh I do, it turns me on when my boyfriend says this stuff

>>43280669
that's because you're a gay man with an emasculinization fetish

>>43280651
You have already seen in this thread that people have a toxic of a man being less masculine and therefore less attractive if they've had a sexual partnet with a penis in the past, I am not saying primary sex characteristics are irrelevant, but they sure as hell are not the only thing that matters, secondary sex characteristics matter a lot too, and gender matters too.

The girl who had sex with the trans man is straight to me because she was attracted to his strong arms, hairy chest, deep voice, etc, his secondary sex characteristics, whilst she has no interest in women's secondary sex characteristics at all, she doesn't want to fondle tits, and she wants a partner stronger and more robust than her in bed.

Similarly, the man who fucked a trans girl fucked someone witha dick, sure, but someone with soft features, weaker than him, more submissive than him, with a higher pitched voice than him, and the dick of the girl is smaller and doesn't even produce cum anyway if she's been on estrogen for long enough, everything else about the trans girl is feminine or at the very least androginous, I would not feel comfortable calling that guy bisexual because he does NOT want to fuck MEN.

>>43280683
>>wall of cognitive dissonance

>>43280674
I dont have an emasculation fetish, I'm a woman.

>>43280691
Reducing people's sense of sexualities exclusively to genitals is transphobic and I can't believe we've reached the point of discourse where trans people are disagreeing because they hate themselves so much that a woman being fine with their pussy or a man being fine with their dick makes them mad because um akschually it's gay and it le invalidates me!

>>43280544
I dont care.

If you feel emasculated maybe you have autogynophilia

>>43280699
>>43280705
that's just cognitive dissonance

>>43280707
Not really, but I see you trying, notice how you just implied that I have autogynephilia even though I have mentioned I'm a man? Again, trying to attack me, you clearly care, it's ok to care about things, you shouldn't be so insecure about it, caring about things is the whole point of being alive.

>>43280723
I didnt even read this post

>>43280721
I dont think lesser or more of anyone who goes through srs, I just have severe medical anxiety that outweighs my bottom dysphoria, and since Im keeping it I might as well date men who like it instead of hate it.

Tbh OP there's a few nonas who never leave this board that have wild opinions that are basically just transphobia poorly obscured in a thin veneer of social justice. I wouldn't waste time arguing with them. For what it's worth, I don't think you're gay for not liking SRS. I had SRS but it wasn't what I thought. I still found a partner in spite of it but it took awhile. I know other girls who have bottom dysphoria but won't get SRS, it's definitely an adjustment. I don't get why people take personal offense about other people's turn offs. Things go much easier if you just live your life without constantly judging others.

>>43280568
Literally who cares what you want you chopped slut

>>43280743
cop out.

real trannies don't get anxious about the pain and suffering of enduring srs. they get anxious about being denied the opportunity. to willfully abstain invalidates your claim of having the same medcial condition as them.

you're more a histrionic gayman than a transsexual.

>>43280892
They tryna no true scotsman the vast majority of trans women lmao

>>43280868
You're a real one nona

>>43280903
why do you think there was a push for informed consent? so many of them fail basic gate keeping practices and then cry about it.

I think if the surgeon can pull off an innie it's actually better than a natty pussy but for some reason there's this fixation on making all the parts visible so...

>>43276108
poonah

>>43280928
>>43280868
I do supposed something that's going ingnored is how high the dependence on the skills of the surgeon may be.

>>43280925
Tbh nona I don't think you can gatekeep a medical condition...it's not a social thing? Like it's not like we're all experiencing the exact same circumstances and identity. It seems like people are mad about a lack of conformity but how are we supposed to conform when we all have different experiences? Maybe try to see other perspectives and have empathy

>>43280947
Isn't gender socially constructed? Makes sense that the way people experience gender dysphoria would differ based on social factors.

>>43280892
I have pain and suffering about my genitals, but I have more pain and suffering about surgery so I wont do it. I experienced dysphoria as a man and pass as a woman otherwise and have been on horomones for years, voice trained, lhr/electrolysis, learned makeup, learned how to dress, and come out at my job, so I would say I am really trans

I see myself as a woman instead of trans. I don't fully pass, I have a gock. I don't care. I am a woman. I don't base my identity on the opinions of others and live a fairly happy life.

>>43280947
when the majority of you identify as trans instead of a sex, you missed the whole point. you don't have what a transsexual has.

if someone breaks a bone in their leg, is there a definitive diagnostic criteria for a broken leg? if you don't meet those criteria, is your leg broken?

people like you are showing up with a broken arm claiming your leg is broke because you saw someone else was getting special treatment for their broken leg and you need to feel equally as special as you're sense of security in self stems from external validation rather than an internal sense of self

>>43280992
You are the one who made this about "real trannies" stop with the goalpost moving copout

>>43280973
you're appropriating dysphoria like weeaboos appropriate japanese culture.

to real trannies, you're the weaboos of the community.

>>43280992
No, sorry nona. It seems you have a lot to learn. GD isn't monolithic, nor is being trans. You should open your mind to the possibility that your view has been tunnel visioned by your own experience.

>>43281004
>>43280992
kill this bitch with hammers

>>43281019
Pretty sure its just gincel

ITT
>white people upset that they can't just appropriate the cultures of others.

>>43280103
She only did OF, she's not a porn actress or sex worker

>>43281032
news flash: onlyfans is sex work, dumbass.

>>43280574
Its not stupid tho, its natural

>>43281071
xenophobia is natural, doesn't make it rational.

>>43280705
I don't hate myself, I just know what heterosexuality means. You are so scared to be called bisexual, even tho thats what you objectively are if you like a penis and a vagina sexually.

>>43274176
If anyone got an artificial hole put in their body and wanted me to stick my body inside their new hole, it would gross me out. One of the last parts of my body I would want to stick in is my dick. It's a disgust reaction, like you said. Trannies want to theorize their way out of everything that makes them dysphoric, but you just can't. Same deal with whining about men who only want women with vaginas, artificial or no. Sexuality is about reproducing. It's highly dependent on the genatalia of the people involved. That's why it exists. Some people will never have a sexuality that encompasses anything far beyond the kinds of acts that might lead to pregnancy.

>>43280743
I get that, I really do. I would not call those men that you date hetero and most women with a vagina would not want to date a man like that. Thats what bothers these chasers, they have their preference with the dick but for some reason they are also annoyed that women with a vagina (srs and natal) find them sexually icky and kinda gay for that preference. They could just keep dating the girls with dick but no, they need to try to convince everyone that they are hetero

>>43276283
You can keep your rot pocket, freak

>>43281137
You come off as insecure tbhon

>>43281117
you hold cis women to this standard and would never have sex with an infertile woman as well as never have sex with one who has had any operation on her genitals (which includes a large percentage of women who have had children-so it's likely you can only have one child)

>>43281137
Why do you say dick preference, I don't prefer dick I just don't outright dislike it. And the notion that most women would not date a guy that has this opinion because this is somehow a gross thing is fucking retarded.

>>43281235
most women do not want to date a gay guy what are you talking about

>why can't women accept my bissexuality?
because women are incredibly insecure so they fear you'll run off to be with a man as they cant offer you what a man can.

>>43281243
Most men wouldn't mind dating a woman that's had sex with other women or had sex with trans men, they would also not call her gay. If a guy falls in love with a woman and is attracted to her but then suddenly gets the ick upon learning that she has touched someone else's pussy before, everyone would rightfuly dog on the guy for being judgemental and retarded.

Why is it different for men? Why is it different to call men gay and suddenly find them gross just because they had sex with someone who had a penis in the past? Explain how that's not fucking stupid.

>>43281296
to clarify, they wouldn't call her gay for having sex with the trans man, obviously if she had sex with other women then she's bi.

>>43281296
it's simple. bitches be trippin'.

>>43281287
It's not even bisexuality though, it's not about fucking men, it's just that if a man is not inmediately grossed out upon seeing someone else having a dick then they can't handle it.

>>43281296
i'm not saying he's gay if he's bi or something but i am saying he is gay if he expects me to have a penis

>>43281308
that's bisexuality. it's one thing to see another man's dick and think nothing of. it's another to see their dick and think you need to have sex with them.

>>43281339
yeah that's exactly what I don't think bozo, I don't want to have sex with a person because of the dick, I have been saying this for the whole thread

>>43280541
This. If I was more of a man before transition than the man chasing me now... yeah that's a problem

>>43280743
just realize that you are making self serving arguments to rationalize and cope with your fear. it's fine if you do it as long as you remember what you are doing

>>43281358
heterosexuals see the dick and think no thank you because sex to them is penis in a vagina.

you thinking sex is more than penis in a vagina or otherwise greater than reproduction implies you're hedonism in line with your bisexuality. sex isn't about reproduction to you. the whole religious argument against abortion isn't just over murdering babies. it's that you shouldn't have sex unless you're prepared to accept the consequence of pregnancy. for all intents and purposes, anything other than penis in vagina sex is masturbatory at best.

>>43281361
what does more of a man mean

Kind of hate SRSisters now from this thread. You guys can't be serious

>>43280987
>I gave myself a nickname and I like it
It never quite works, does it? There is you, then there is how people see you, and both are you. You can't control half the equation no matter how hard you try to convince yourself otherwise.

>>43281404
I'm leaving this thread

>>43281404
I'm a prolife absolutist and my argument has always been that you can't justify terminating life and it's wrong to arbitrarily attempt to establish a dichotomy of what counts as alive and what doesn't. I have no idea what you're talking about.

>>43281016
Q U E E R I M P E R A T I V E

Sorry, babe. I'm not queer. I was born in the wrong body. I'm fixing that so I can have a nice, straight, normal life.

>>43281421
i sperm alive? every time you jerk off you're terminating thousands of lives.

>>43281409
You're so silly. She's saying her validity is based on intrinsic affirmation and consistency rather than the opinions of others. She's a woman because she doesn't doubt herself. Meanwhile you'll cope about your brow ridge and canthal tilt. She mogs you.

>>43281426
Others are born in the wrong body but aren't straight. GD isn't linear

>>43281296
>Why is it different for men?
Because it is. Lesbians arent seen as nearly defiled as gays. Sorry, if you have touched dick you are marked for life.

>>43280041
>A bisexual top that doesnt like vagina isnt bisexaul.
A SRS wound isn't a vagina. I'm a bisexual top and I love vagina. Whenever I want to fap to JAV, I specifically watch FC2 videos because they are uncensored and I want to see big brown Asian vagina lips. I would never want to fuck a SRS wound under any condition and I would pick a butthole and cock 100% of the time over that, not because I like cock, but just because there's nothing more vile than the idea of fucking a wound.

Uh oh, the sweaty incels who fetishize feminity have arrived

>>43281296
Women and men are different. Men find bisexual women sexy but women find bisexual men nasty, why is this such a hard concept

>>43281446
because one man can impregnate many women. he's seen as a god for spreading his seed.
but women can only become impregnate by one man at a time. she's seen as deplorable for engaging in relations with men while carrying someone else's child.

>>43281463
This isn't even consistently true. Is that what OP is coping about? Someone tell him that many girls don't care. Some do. Like many guys won't date a girl who's been with a black guy, that doesn't mean they all won't. It's really not that serious.

>>43281235
Whatever it is, I just find it a turn off. No big deal, I'm sure you will make some non op trans women very happy and you will adopt kids with her and all that. Its just icky for me cause I have a straight man preference. Many men refuse to date sluts or sex workers, its not that deep

>>43281481
this thread is literally full of bitches insisting that if a guy isn't deathly scared of penises then he can never be attractive to them

>>43281453
and there's the transphobia. you think it's a wound. you can't get over it having been a penis previously.

>>43281405
>Disciplined
>Principled
>Courageous
>Strong sense of integrity
>Did actual dangerous shit exceptionally well
>Put myself in harms way for others willingly
>Presented myself consistently as somebody people could depend on
>Didn't shy away from doing difficult things
>Great with my hands building/fixing/working on stuff

etc.

>>43281491
I'm straight tho, you calling me gay because I don't mind a girl having dick is the same vibes as a man calling a woman a slut because she had sex with 3 other guys before and he's insecure

>>43281492
There are mentally ill girls coping yes but good news is that no one here has to pursue each other and their opinions and preferences do not matter

>>43281504
You can do all these things and still have sex with someone who posesses a peenus weenus

>>43281493
There's nothing transphobic about what I'm saying unless you want to reduce trans people to an optional surgery, which I don't. It's literally a wound, that's why it has to be dilated, because the body is trying to heal the wound.

>>43281509
I'll be honest. I don't give a shit if this is transphobic. You're at least a little gay to date a trans girl. It doesn't matter if she has SRS or not. It's fairly gay

>>43281435
Why would I celebrate somebody elses delusional mind over mater nonsense?

Also I got FFS, I dont have face issues I worry about anymore

>>43280987
That's awesome

>>43281443
That's great! They can hang out in the queer hedonism ghetto and not steal the titles or medical care that apply to people like me

>>43281562
They're trans, sorry you had to find out this way

>>43281453
Lmao you shouldn't be fucking a SRSussy while it's still healing anyway

>>43281509
>I'm straight tho
You keep saying that but most people don't think so. Like I and I would think 89% of other women think you are not straight. Two penises having sex does not sound straight to me or other people. You have some weird self hatred

>>43281492
Straight guys have a natural adversion to dick. I get the ick when a guy doesnt have that adversion. Simple as

All of these arguments are just proving that the worst enemy of a trans woman is other trans women

>>43281585
Its because you think transgenders and transsexuals are the same thing..

>>43281583
>>43281581
While sexual orientation is fairly consistent it's not a rigid determinant. Sexuality is so retardedly fluid and malleable that the amount of heterosexuals who have fetishes for phalluses has increased substantially. Being heterosexual doesn't typically imply outright revulsion of male characteristics either, desu that's just you all projecting dysphoria. Very stupid argument btw

>>43281509
Stop arguing with them. I know you're straight but they don't care. They have to shit on you to feel valid. It's some retarded optics game to them.

>>43281524
"Men have to be virtuous and noble and honorable, and if they have sex with other men it means they aren't these" is tacit admission that women, cis AND trans, feel they shouldn't have to be 'disciplined, principled, courageous, selfless, dependable, or someone who acts with integrity'. I mean, even labeling these as 'male traits' showcases the mindset, but tacking on the homophobic belief that a guy who has sex with other men is inherently less masculine when all but 1 of the traits you associate with masculinity are about the strength of their character, makes it all the more obvious.

>>43281607
>Sexuality is so retardedly fluid and malleable that the amount of heterosexuals who have fetishes for phalluses has increased substantially
Nope, sorry. You are not straight if you like penis. Its fine to be a bisexual, you just hate term cause you are attached to being straight and the status it gives you.

>>43281635
Male chud hands wrote this post

>>43281607
Homosexual = penis x penis, vagina x vagina
Heterosexual = penis x vagina
Bisexual = liking these things in combination

Nothing wrong with being a bisexual and admitting it

>>43281581
I'm fucking an ass wtf does two penises having sex mean

>>43281651
I'm a woman and very lefty

This thread was a psyop by chasers to make trans women look so insufferable that other chasers give up so they can have them all to themselves. Actual trans women don't hold any of these opinions and are super pleasant people who don't call you gay or dehumanize you.

>>43281654
Orientations aren't rigid determinants. Study more chuddy.
>>43281667
Uh huh.

>>43281673
you haven't interacted with my ex then

>>43281509
>you calling me gay because I don't mind a girl having dick is the same vibes as a man calling a woman a slut because she had sex with 3 other guys before and he's insecure
not even close to the same, you need to come to terms with your profound gayness

Straight guys get pegged all da time btw

>>43281532
>It's literally a wound, that's why it has to be dilated, because the body is trying to heal the wound.
Do you have this same hangup about pierced ears? Cause it's literally the same deal

>>43281673
This is sort of true but the issue is "actual trans women" means the ones who are pretty normie and not as terminally online, which any guy trying to interact with trans women here probably don't even wanna date. I know I don't. I'm here because I wanna find a girl who lights up at the prospect of playing PS2 games together, but they're all fucking transbians or like the obnoxious ones in this thread.

>>43281655
Two people with a penis having sex. I have sometimes browsed pages where straight men who are "ok with a penis" post porn and they often post clips zoomed to a hand jerking of a penis or clip of someones dick and balls hanging. The object of the desire could be anything here cause the face is not important, it might even be regular gay man in the clip but these "straight" men claim its just their hetero fetish. These men give me the biggest ick

>>43281699
I'll be real my nigga I just bait in this thread I would never want to date anyone from here that's a horrible prospect

>>43281673
Good, I don't want chasers but normal hetero men who date to marry

>>43281698
Most people aren't trying to have someone stick their dick in their ear piercing hole anon.

>>43281716
It is but there is literally no other option to find what I'm looking for. Maybe on reddit but I think I would rather shoot myself.

>>43281718
Normal hetero men who date to marry would not want your brain rot nona

>>43281573
They are transgender, I am transexual. The difference is as wide as an ocean.

>>43281699
>Actual trans women are only those troons who are willing to pretend that I am a hetero man while I looked at their flopping penis and bust a fat nut

>>43281607
>Sexuality is so retardedly fluid and malleable that the amount of heterosexuals who have fetishes for phalluses has increased substantially
It really isn't. You are just regurgitating propaganda

>>43281713
>I browsed sissy porn one day and thought to myself that maybe a guy could get turned on by this it'd be gross

So it was all in le head

>>43281742
Imagine being a tranny and thinking people will be attracted to you mainly because of your pussy lmao

Pocket rot gross to me but if you wanna fuck zombie gash idrc

guys'll fuck the exhaust pipe of their car
they'll literally fuck an apple pie
hell, even the seam between two couch cushions. but a tranny pussy? god forbid.

then they wonder why women call them retards.

>>43281633
I know half a dozen gay guys that fir my description. The thing is they all have the integrity and courage to admit they are gay and own it... unlike yourself

>>43281733
Plenty of them do. You don't actually have to settle for some bi loser who has no other ambitions than play retro games and suck dick and hide a tranny from his parents.
There are actual good normal men out there who would love to have us as their wives

>>43281756
People are attracted to me cause I am an attractive woman with the correct genitals for my gender.

I guess at this point the onyl doubt I have is why do guys not get the ick if a girl likes pussy but girls get the ick if a guy if a guy likes dick.

I wouldn't describe myself as GAY but I do like to see trans girls cum, I do feel a certain sexual pleasure from seeing them orgasm with their little cocks, same way I get pleasure from a cis girl's pussy twitching after she orgasms, is that gay? Maybe, most would call it bisexual, but why is it gross? Why is it ick inducing? Why is this something men get scrutinized over specifically whilst no one gives a shit about a woman's bisexuality?

>>43281771
The projection, insecurity, and psychosis riddled delusions dripping from this post are incredibly funny.

>>43281786
If you're trans then it's not a pussy, there's no womb there, sorry.

>>43281771
srsly what is with the bi men racism in this thread

>>43281771
It's not that good men wouldn't want trannies. It's that you trannies in particular are the worst. You're just incels. Dysgenic, looks obsessed, terminally online, steeped in bullshit at all times and mentally ill. Even if a truly good guy ignores the signs he's bound to get burnt by one of you and ignore the rest forever. Because you all are the worst. If you want a good man, get off 4chan.

>>43281803
1. Stop arguing with them
2. I hate dykes specifically so your premise is wrong

>>43281803
I get the ick from women liking pussy but that's a 'trauma response' from a cheating ex and finding yuritards incredibly obnoxious and often hypocritical. Women get the ick from guys loving dick because they only value men as totems of "masculinity" that must perform perfectly or else they instantly lose all credibility as men. Trans women do it even more because of their own massive insecurities.

>>43281829
stop hating them then sis, a lesbo don't have to be bad even if some of them are.

>>43281803
>I guess at this point the onyl doubt I have is why do guys not get the ick if a girl likes pussy but girls get the ick if a guy if a guy likes dick.
Men and women are not the same. Hetero men get most turned on by lesbian porn, men are horny. Women are not that driven by sex.
Lots of men want to dyke break masculine women. You would be shocked to see how many men are into that

>>43281830
I think it's possible to enjoy dick in a masculine way but people are not ready for this conversation yet

>>43281803
>Maybe, most would call it bisexual, but why is it gross?
Its not gross to everyone but women usually have very high standards for sex partners and you liking dick does not scream that you are dedicated to a female. Its no issue if you just keep dating trans girls with a penis. It will be an issue if you try to date girls with a vagina

>>43281848
Romans knew it was masculine to pin a bottom down and suck his pathetic little cock to assert dominance. It's only gay if you're a bottom anyways.

>>43281814
Pussy and a womb are different organs

>>43281841
What if I somehow end up only attracted to lesbians and want one who ends up really liking dick and starts to sexually assault me in my sleep because she wants dick that bad and I'm the only guy she doesn't hate but she also doesn't want anyone else to know?

>>43281860
no, the bottom is supposed to suck the dick YOU RUINED IT

>>43281857
>It will be an issue if you try to date girls with a vagina
Very rarely is this an issue. You're projecting your insecurities again hon

>>43281857
>dedicated to a female
Please speak like a normal person

>>43281872
Nah, never met a girl who wanted a bi man. Sorry but when the topic of men comes up, women just call bi men nasty and how they give women aids
Why do you think interner is full of bisexual men crying cause women don't want them

>>43281869
No no, you forcibly suck the bottoms dick. Then you facefuck the bottom. It's about dominance.

>>43281869
Sorry but after a long day of arguing in the Senate the only thing that takes the steam off is ripping the tunic off my boy wife and sucking his cute cock until his useless balls are dry

>>43281894
you are literally sucking a diuck that's not dominance stop trolling me you're too mean I'm gonna CRY

>>43281893
Low tier bait, as if you can't go on any online space and find women trying to put their BF's in eyeliner and paint their nails and gushing about how they want to watch him fuck a twink.

>>43281902
idk about putting boyfriends in makeup but /lgbt/ is full of trannies who want their boyfriends to make fun of their cocks for being small or frot them together

Gaius Sextus (Gay-us Sex-tus) told me that Greek boys were made to be power bottoms hence their athleticism

>>43281911
What I was describing is more common amongst cis twitter women. It was EVERY SINGLE WOMAN on tumblr back when anyone even used that.

Need a cute boy in a toga

>>43281693
>Straight guys get pegged all da time btw
yes... yes they do LMAO

>>43281902
Even the most liberal surveys confirm that AT LEAST 70% of women don't want to date bisexual men and thats the number with all the virtua signaling, real number is much higher

>>43281938
Women, famously known for always saying exactly what they want and never showing mountains of evidence to the contrary.

>>43281938
Not true I'm a woman and don't think that

Biphobic trans women are interesting to me. I think yall are insecure in your femininity and picked up this behavior partly because you’ve noticed cis women doing it. It’s not fembrained, there’s no wombynly essence that makes you think less of men who like dick, you’re just weak of character and I am judging you harshly for your betrayal

Many of the guys you’re fucking are probably attracted to guys or dick btw and there’s nothing you can do to filter them out, they don’t tell you because they want to fuck you and they’ve already been taught male non-heterosexuality isn’t tolerated by most women. If bisexual males turn you off so much your best option is probably to go date women instead, go do political lesbianism or something

Or if the fantasy that a guy is some super straight real masculine manly man is what gets your SRSussy wet keep doing that who am I to judge, I just think you should do it quietly because you’re the reason married men sneak out to fuck guys when they’re 40

>>43281771
100% no need to settle for these losers

>>43281967
I think the problem is that no one will settle for you

>>43274176
You don't have to apologize for your feelings but yeah no sane woman wants a penis. I'm not happy with the idea of having to get vagina surgery but I'd do it in a heartbeat if I could get rid of my male part. Otherwise fuck my life. Maybe next time you can date an agp brick

>>43281902
What kind of bi man would accept being treated like a faggot by his GF? Bi bottoms don't count since they are more gay than bisexual anyway.

>>43282016
Ones who are secure in their sexuality? Extrapolate it however you want but a lot of daughters wanna play with their dad and 'making him pretty' is a running gag in so much stuff for a reason. When most women expect guys to just be a surrogate dad for them why would anyone be surprised that that stuff doesn't come back up?

>>43281951
Women like to appear woke, disliking bi men is not woke so you can assume that its closer to 100% that find bi men unattractive

SRS le bad
t. Mtf transexual

>>43282197
Disliking bi men is neither woke nor unwoke

>>43281953
>Many of the guys you’re fucking are probably attracted to guys or dick btw and there’s nothing you can do to filter them out
I make them assume I have a dick first, that filters them out. Pretending to apperove dick loving also works.

There are many ways to weed these men out. It really tells us how dishonest and bad these men are, that they would lie to women they are dating about their true sexuality

>>43282197
I agree that many women are bi-phobic against men it's just that I hate them for it because it makes them liears and hypocrites, at least the bitches on this thread are honest when they say they get the ick when a guy shows the slightest deivation from heteronormative views of masculinity, meanwhile when you speak to people irl they will tell you toxic masculinity and patriarchy are all men's faul, as if women didn't do anything to spread them by having these standards.

>>43282224
the bait is becoming too exaggerated sister

>>43281953
>I just think you should do it quietly because you’re the reason married men sneak out to fuck guys when they’re 40
No, women are not responsible for cheating men. This is why bi men suck, they are scared to come out unless everyone loves them. They are pathetic.
Trans women are brave and these men are weak.

>>43282235
Transphobia is responsible for John 50s, biphobia is responsible for faceless profile pics. When women enforce heteronormativity by yelling “men who like men are unattractive” they are responsible

And yes, fuck cheaters of any sort obviously

>>43282235
not true, to me the source of fear is just how insidious bi-phobia can be, my mother is the kindest most loving person I know, but when she found out I was dating a trans woman her first instinct was laughing nervously and then later in private she asked me if I was gay.

The most judgemental person I know learned I was dating someone with a penis and her first thought was "lmao is my son a FAG?"

I fear that women I would otherwise love and that would otherwise be attracted to me, would suddenly, secretly, think less of me, even against their own better judgement, because even when they tell you otherwise, even when women themselves don't know it, they are constantly judging and asessing men's sense of masculinity, trying to search for ways in which he's either or cool or he's a bitch, ways in which he's strong vs pathetic.

There are women out there who are good people, who are LGBT allies and who have nothing against bi men in principle but who would get the ick if they learnt their boyfriend fucked a femboy or a tranny in the past, not because they are evil, but because their brain automatically just does that, is it biological? Is it social? A mix of both? Who knows, but it happens.

It's not cruel wanting to avoid this judgement, it's simply the smart thing to do.

>>43282305

least judgemental person I know* is what I meant to say

>>43282300
No women are not. Those men don't come out as bi cause they want to date women that find him nasty. Bi men are not entitled womens love and approval.
Women like bi men, just not as sexual partners. You can be the fun gay uncle or best friend, cause thats all that women want from you. You cheating cause you want to save your cake and eat it too is the one of the reasons women don't want you. If you desire men so much, divorce first

>>43282336
>If you are bi, even if it's with an overwhelmiing preference for women, just be fine with women never finding you sexually attractive ever from now on bro!

>>43282305
>The most judgemental person I know learned I was dating someone with a penis and her first thought was "lmao is my son a FAG?"
Thats should be a clear sign to you that you are one. Its not biphobia to understand that if your son likes cock, he is not straight. You gaslighting your dear sweet mother says a lot about you.

>>43282362
I literally exclusively like women though

>>43282305
Women are not bad for not wanting to date you. Its evil how you try to force yourself on them. Be yourself, don't lie about yourself to other people. I know a woman who divorced her husband after she discovered that he watches femboy porn and you know what, good for her. She was lied to.

Ppl are still baiting here? It's been all day

>>43282305
>not because they are evil
No it is because they are evil. If you are incapable of assessing your own reactions to things and recognizing when they're knee jerk reaction to imprinted, arbitrary morals, instead of actually coming up with a REASON it's a problem, with an actual basis in reality, you are a shitty person. I would honestly argue you're an even worse person if you market yourself as 'good', non-judgmental, kind and considerate, and still do this, because it shows you as massively hypocritical.

>>43282305
It’s social. Men aren’t really allowed to challenge women’s behavior in progressive circles so there has been much less pressure applied to change or reevaluate this, which is the reason it might seem impossible to change

A progressive woman can say “I don’t like bi men” and no one bats an eye. So why would it ever change?

>>43282348
Thats how it goes. You are a chaser so why not just stick it to dating non op trans women, they like you.

>>43282372
You like dick.. the male genitals. Most women don't see you as straight no matter how you try to claim the title. Words have a meaning

>>43282403
someone being bi is completely irrelevant when it comes to how dateable they are, this is not a controversial statement.

It doesn't matter if a woman is bisexual or straight, it doesn't matter if a man is bisexual or straight, you shouldn't care, it shouldn't make a difference, and if it makes a difference to you then you're the problem.

Every time I flirt with a woman do I need to announce "by the way I am bisexual!" before I keep going? Do I need to announce my height and my cock size too to see if those are dealbreakers as well? What about my job?

>>43282421
You can challenge women, just don't be surprised if women find you icky after. I cannot imagine my mother ever dating a man who ranted to her how sucking cock is hetero

I give it up to OP and the two obsessed SRSissies. You guys will never stop arguing.

>>43282459
>comes to how dateable they are
No its not. Bi men are the reason why women have aids. Bi men cannot commit to a woman the way a hetero man can. Bi men cannot love a woman as purely as hetero man, cause bi men also have appetite for male sex, for penis

>>43282412
It's against their own will though, there was a particularly harrowing moment in my life that I had when I was about 15 that I think exemplifies this well.

I had always prided myself on being a non-judgemental person that tries to view everyone past what's on the surface, someone who values what's on the inside, but a very particular day, while eating, I watched the news, and a story about a woman who had been horribly deformed after a burn accident came up, this woman had done no wrong to me, she was a victim of unfortunate circumstances, she could be a beautiful human being for all I know, and I had 0 reasons to be grossed out by her, but as soon as I saw her face and she spoke, I almost spat out my food in disgust, I inmediately had to look away, my instinctual automatic reaction was one of aprehension, I was disgusted by her, by what she looked like, this woman had done no wrong to me, but my body betrayed me, I did not want to even look at her direction, because she commited the sin of just being ugly after a horrible accident.

A woman can feel similarly with bi men, she can rationally believe bisexuality isn't bad, but her animalistic automatic reaction may be one of sexual disinterest if she finds out a man she's dating sucked a cock in the past, nbot because she's a bad person, but because the human brain is unfairly superficial.

>>43282437
no I like the girl

Most women I know don't care and this is a massive larp thread

>>43282504
Shit you're the aids argument person I should have ignored you

>>43282523
>A woman can feel similarly with bi men, she can rationally believe bisexuality isn't bad, but her animalistic automatic reaction may be one of sexual disinterest if she finds out a man she's dating sucked a cock in the past, nbot because she's a bad person, but because the human brain is unfairly superficial.
You said it beautifully.

>>43282523
>a guy being bisexual evokes the same disgust response as seeing a person who is horrifically disfigured
>this is normal
No it's not. People don't even do this when a guy says he's outright gay anymore, and they haven't done it for women admitting to any kind of sexuality for decades. This has to be bait that's trying way too hard.

>>43282540
With cock. There is no way around it. Go tell women that you like people with cock and see how hetero they think you are

Constant gaslighting from people like you is tiresome. Own your same sex attraction

>>43282573
Gay men are not trying to sleep with women but bisexual men keep doing that
Why cannot you just date the people that want you, its not so hard

>>43282523
I assume it’s the same if a man has disgust upon learning a woman he’s seeing has had 8 previous sexual partners? It’s heckin animalistic and instinctual, unable to be challenged or altered, right?

>>43282573
I am not equatting both these situations lol, but I do think it's worth a comparsion, I'm merely making the point that it's completely possible for someone to have a negative reaction even though their logical brain screams at them that they shouldn't.

Yes, I agree with you that men usually don't have this issue when they hear about bisexual women, in fact, in many instances they may even prefer a woman being bisexual for a variety of reasons, but hey sociology and biology are complicated and it's hard to parse why things are how they are.

>>43282584
It's not same sex attraction when it's a girl cock