I just realized that if there was magically no transphobia or social rejection for transitioning, I probably would have started transitioning.Like for the longest time I’ve been telling myself that I can’t transition because I’m too tall and have too many masculine features but in reality, I don’t give a fuck if I’m not the best looking woman, I just don’t want to be hate-crimed…
>>43988681Why do people need to be told something is okay to do it? It's a free country just do what you want. No one has to like it.
>>43988681Support for transgender people was gaining momentum until T became a circus of the worst elements in society.
>>43988681I never felt that way about myself nor were those my reasons for not transitioning sooner. My primary reasons were trauma related leading me to being a comfort doll people pleaser rather than loving myself first and foremost
>>43988713Trannies cant stop losing
>>43988695Don't get it twisted, I feel comfortable expressing myself in ways that people dislike or find weird.It's more that fact that if I were to transition I feel like a portion of the population (including people in my family and who I work with) would HATE my guts and I worry that I could be endangering myself.
>>43988713I feel that, pretty much all the MtF stuff the algorithm shows me makes me cringe
>>43988713Truth. It's a shame.
>>43988912Literally all trans tiktok and youtube is so throughly unrelatable to me its crazy that so many people resonate with itOnly thing i like is contrahon but even then i disagree with her on a lot
>>43988681So do you not have gender dysphoria? If people considered you a woman with zero effort would you even transition at all?
>>43990537>Only thing i like is contrahon but even then i disagree with her on a lotIt's fine to disagree with stuff. It's actually a crucial part of a thriving intellectual culture. The internet has made people forget this.
>>43988681hrt femboy is the pathi didn't tell anyone and just did it. by the time it became obvious it didn't matter anymore and by now everyone around me is accustomed to the estrogenized faggot and strangers sometimes gender me female, sometimes male and i'm fine with either.i live in a country with no gay marriage. so i legit don't believe you american reppers when you say it's such a high risk. when i got on E there were zero ways to troon legally, lol and we still had crossdressing laws.
>>43988681now that i come to think about it, probably me too, though i am severely afraid of hrt and ffs and in general anything that is actual physical change, so i would start first dressing as a woman or sum
>>43988894>I worry that I could be endangering myselfIf you're not brown or a third worlder you will be fine
>>43988681yeah girl. this was the point where i realized i had to do it lol. like, I live in a woke enough place. i can handle some transphobia.
>>43988695>It's a free countryis it though?
>>43988713Actually it was when the government and institutions started to push anti-trans propaganda.I refute your victim-blaming.
>>43988806Most people actually disagree with your proposal to censor alternative gender ideas. It's very popular to mildly question the rigid and narrow set of ideas proposed by Republican politicians regarding gender topics.I am sorry you lack the capability to have a basic conversation about your ideas without resorting to government-backed censorship, but that's actually not how adults debate.
>>43988681yeah same>>43988894>I feel comfortable expressing myself in ways that people dislike or find weird.i used to. was very alt and goth and punk. it all evaporated with my confidence pretty much the day i learned what trans was and realized a bunch of my style was cope and me trying to be fem
>>43991322banning the word cis is in fact a very good thing.extremist slurs are okay on 4chan, but they shouldn't be used in polite conversation.
>>43992545what word would you like us to use instead?
>>43992545weakest. bait. ever.
>>43988681same>>43988695im not wanting permission, i just wanna be hireable and not get h8 crimed at worst and jeered on the street at best
>>43992563Normal. Or normative.All concepts are defined by what's normative and what's not normative.>>43992584It's not bait at all. It's how civilized/polite society works.The scientific term for niggers is negroid. But nobody says that in polite conversation and for good reason. The same is true for normal people. Idgaf if the "scientific term" is "cis". It's a slur and doesn't belong in polite conversation. Everyone normal understands this.
>>43992974>Normal. Or normative.there are multiple axes of variation in the space of possible humans. you can be "normal" on one while not being so on others."cis" is a useful term because it specifies an axis of variation as well as a position on said axis. "normal" does not do this.this is what always happens when people want us to not use the word "cis": it isn't the word they object to, it's the underlying concept. they want to erase large parts of humanspace by eliminating our language's ability to refer to the concepts underlying them. this is futile, of course, because you can just go look at people and reinvent the concepts from scratch, even if somebody has erased them from the language.
>>43993042>ideological gobbledygook and whataboutism with even more marginal exceptions to use as excuses not to observe the clear normsorry, but no. "cis" is a slur and it's not up to trannies to decide that but up to those affected by that slur.polite society has decided that they don't like being insulted by a marginal minority, even if it's "scientific" (it really isn't but w/e) and even if it's a "useful term" for that marginal minority.>this is what always happens when people want us to not use the word "cis": it isn't the word they object to, it's the underlying concept. they want to erase large parts of humanspace by eliminating our language's ability to refer to the concepts underlying themthe same can be said about the words negroid, nigger, black and niggerfaggot. they're all useful and they refer to concepts applying to far larger parts of humanspace than troonism. And yet, polite society decided they're slurs and that's it.troonism is not a "large part of humanspace" by any means. it's a minuscule, marginal, infinitesimal part of humanspace that the normatives don't have to care about at all and most definitely have no duty to just accept being insulted ad nauseam by that marginal part.Tough luck. Grow up and learn to live in reality.
>>43988681This is why for me, ironically, the ONLY way it feels like I could ever troon out is if a was stranded on the proverbial desert island, with a supply of estradiol and blockers washed ashore
>>43993121>ideological gobbledygook and whataboutism with even more marginal exceptions to use as excuses not to observe the clear normyou don't understand what i'm saying. "normal" is insufficient because it doesn't specify what you're "normal" about. a cis gay man is "normal" with respect to gender identity but "abnormal" with respect to sexuality. a cis straight quadriplegic man is "normal" with respect to both of those, but "abnormal" in another way.>the same can be said about the words negroid, nigger, black and niggerfaggot. they're all useful and they refer to concepts applying to far larger parts of humanspace than troonism. And yet, polite society decided they're slurs and that's it.the polite version of those is "sub-saharan african". if "cis" is really a slur, you should have no trouble coming up with a word that is equally specific but not a slur. you can't, because the specificity is the problem for you. you don't want us to be able to talk about this as a way humans in general vary.
>>43993205>gay man is "normal" with respect to gender identity but "abnormal" with respect to sexualityyes, which is why faggots are called gay and hets are called straight (very explicit acknowledgment of their normativity) instead of normalfaggots (which is an assumption they're just a different breed of faggots).I absolutely do understand what you're saying. I just absolutely disagree and am firmly convinced you are delusional if you think your "argument" should ever hold sway over normal people in polite conversation.>if "cis" is really a slur, you should have no trouble coming up with a word that is equally specific but not a slurpolite society doesn't owe you specificity, nona. this is what you don't understand. you are not owed anything. Least of all you are not owed such an ungodly amount of respect to your marginal weirdness that the overwhelming normative majority to bend over backwards to accommodate your ideological brainworms. This is an extremist demand. And since you can't even conceptualize how wrong you are, the normative majority has no reason to further entertain the argument. "Cis" is a slur and it is thus banned. Be happy they haven't (yet) decided to elevate it up to the level of "nigger" (where you get fired for using it or even criminally prosecuted under hate speech laws)."sub-saharan african" is also not equally specific at all. not all niggers are sub-saharan africans (in fact most are not) but nobody gives a fuck.it's on YOU to adapt to the normative majority, not the other way around.
>>43993205>>43993121"negroid" also just turned out to be factually incorrect as a racial grouping, because it posited recent common ancestry between black africans and some indigenous groups in southeast asia and australia. the modern polite term is better at actually describing reality!>>43993296>"sub-saharan african" is also not equally specific at all. not all niggers are sub-saharan africans (in fact most are not) but nobody gives a fuck.in the sense that they don't currently live in SSA, sure, but the term is used for recent ancestry.>polite society doesn't owe you specificity, nona. this is what you don't understand. you are not owed anything.i'm not making a claim about being "owed" anything. i'm making true statements. if people don't listen, and persistently leave value on the table because it requires them to acknowledge uncomfortable truths, they will eventually find themselves disempowered by those who didn't choose to blind themselves.
>>43988681my plan was to become wealthy enough that that i could eventually lead a modest life while minimizing my interaction with society. unfortunately i cracked and started diy well before achieving that.
