Sorry I'm still mourning Oliver Tree so I've been a little more annoying than usual

shut up faketroon

>>44038506
I come here to read fanfiction about love between cis men and trans women to feed my fantasies. You come here to autistically ramble about your enlightened centrism on your poorly managed neurological disorder

>>44038506
take your HRT, retard

>>44038586
I don't know what qualifies someone to be a faketrans or trutrans I'm going to be honest.

Is it just transitioning, so like if you transition you're a trutrans, if you don't you're not ?

>>44038506
Gonna be honest. You're not going to see my best side here. There are more toxic faces here than the one I wear, but, this board is a bit for letting our id out, for a lot of us, at least a tiny bit. Keep that in mind and you might notice different things, for better or worse.

>>44038588
I came here out of curiosity, mostly.
I haven't just been talking, I've been mostly listening, so doesn't it qualify as rambling ? Maybe this one does, I do not know.
I'm here to talk, I think.

>>44038603
no. in your case I can tell you're faketrans because you describe your dysphoria as something triggered by how other people see you, rather than real dysphoria which is internal and would still be present in a transsexual even if they were the only person on earth.

>>44038632
Holy ESL sorry for that one.
>>44038601
Honestly I don't know what to say to that one that hasn't been already said in previous threads on the subject.

I do not know the future, I am not God. Will I John 50 ? I don't plan on. I don't want to. But I do not know the future.
In regards to the present which I do know of, I am happy with myself now as is. Dysphoria is mild and fleeting, and getting weaker and weaker each year that passes by.
>>44038623
Well isn't this "mask off" thing good ? I get to see everything raw, as it is, without pretty makeup to cover for the bruises and imperfections.
Or am I not getting you right here ?

>>44038586
based, they're well adjusted so they must be a faketroon

>>44038675
>Dysphoria is mild and fleeting, and getting weaker and weaker each year that passes by.
how old are you? when did it first hit you?

>>44038662
Hm no I haven't said that about myself.
Not exactly. I said I stopped caring about myself more. I also stopped caring for how others see me, but that is secondary to not caring about how I see myself.
Makes sense ?

>>44038506
Being trans is a mental illness, you can't expect a lot of them to be self-aware. I say this as someone who wants nothing but the best for them, but you can't lead these horses to water, let alone make them drink.

Keep being you, and let them be them.

>>44038506
dysphoria mushrooms so tasty,,, i love the fungus,,,, fungus is great andawesome. if you're the fucking fungus reading this post i fucking love you

>>44038685
Currently 23.
My earlier memories of dysphoria go back to middle school, walking home with my mother and telling her I wished I was a girl, and her scaring me off that wish by explaining to me in detail the pain of giving birth.

I remember having during that age mostly girl friends, wishing I had long hair, wanting to be pretty. Got worse at puberty, wished to look feminine and to be seen as feminine, and loved for it. Got later a very short femboy phase at 17 which was basically me experimenting before giving up (shaving myself, buying women's clothes, going on a diet, shit like that). I guess I found out at that time yeah.

>>44038506
Lonely isolated people tend to turn inwards, at least that's been my experience with depression.

>>44038766
What living with black mold does to a mf
>>44038753
I am curious, I wanna hear the people here express themselves.

>>44038789
lol

>>44038675
"Mask off" implies deeper realities to people. I think the truth is we're also what we do for our values. People's stories shared here, when you can tell they're true, or can feel out the distortions well and get to the kernel.... Those tell you more than the hardcore larping and weird shit. People also vary in how much word I'd shit they have to get out and how much they indulge that. You get to see more of those people here more often, because they stick around in that mire. Gen threads are sometimes a bit better. You'd do well to learn to think about people as whole people, with many sides. "Mask off" isn't always a more "real" face, just a disinhibited behavior pattern in a specific environment that rewards certain kinds of disinhibited behaviors more or less.

Sorry that was a little disorganized, but does it make sense? There are a lot of biasing effects to what you see, no matter where you look. You have to think about those to find deeper signals.

>>44038789
wishing to be a girl or have long hair etc. is not dysphoria.

>>44038753
(I’m not OP) It’s wild to me that
>Being trans is a mental illness
is considered a pro-trans belief on this board

>>44038804
Yeah but I'd call that a vicious cycle that only makes it worse.
Maybe there is a correlation between intense dysphoria and depression. What do I say of course there must be. I am a stupid retard, excuse me.

I just believe that turning inwards makes dysphoria worse, probably, and nurtures it. And I also believe that transitioning is basically an embrace of that turn inwards.

>>44038823
weird id*

>>44038828
I call that gender envy, idk how better to express it.
Feeling happy and dreamy about being pretty, wishing to be more feminine in appearance ? And yeah being happy when thinking about it ?
Uh... Also disliking the way you look as a man ?
Sorry if my vocabulary isn't "grand" or sophisticated or just big enough, lol
>>44038823
Very thoughtful answer, it does bring a lot of nuance to my thoughts on this place, thank you for sharing that with me. I've been unwise.

Still, am I wrong in believing that there is a real nurturing in trans spaces of inward motion, ego-centrism and glorification of the self, which ironically also leads to misery and self-pity a lot of times ?

I want to hear your opinion on it, but feel free to disagree to answer me, you can have your reasons.
>>44038836
OP here, you may have guessed, but yeah I mean, idk... Is it bad to say that it seems obvious to me that it is just an illness, period ? Not necessarily a mental one, but clearly a "dis-order" as in, the principle of being trans is that there is a disagreement of sorts between mind and body ? And that isn't like "normal", it's not something the human should be born with ?

>>44038933
gender envy is not dysphoria. your "earlier memories of dysphoria " are not at all symptoms of dysphoria, so it's no surprise that you don't understand people actually suffering from it.

>>44038843
I agree that people here tend to wallow in their misery a lot and I'm also guilty of this as well. But I don't think that inherently makes transitioning or repressing egocentric, moreso that the specific community anonymous imageboards tend to appeal to.

>>44038948
Alright.
I guess I got confused here then. What is dysphoria then, if you're willing to teach me ?

>>44038990
I see. I'll keep that in mind then. I may have been too judgmental, pardon me.

>>44038933
... I wish I could argue better that you're wrong, but that's why I prefer to try to go to spaces with purpose, and bring more of myself (and ask more of others) than than "being trans" in those spaces. That, especially the second half especially, is a skill you have to learn. Finding the right places and bringing the right vibes to bring out the real ones. You can't do it from the sidelines, or by drilling down about "transness" or "the trans community(/ies). You have to work for it. Ask people about their hobbies, their friends, their work. Answer at least a bit when you're asked, indulge the trans memes enough to not be off-putting (this ruins the vibe) but don't let it be all about that, or leave and find another place if you can't. Like idk, find a common hobby here you associate with people you like, and start a gen thread for it. Or regularly start an actually pro-social thread type on here that you can attend to (like don't offer emotional support for life shit if you know you'll burn out before a blown up thread does -- something you find rewarding to reopen connections with people by). This kind of thread... You're open enough it is at least a bit pro social, but it's also like.... Centering your own judgement and easy of being one foot in one foot out. You don't have to put two feet into anything forever, just don't start the conversation centering the identity and communities you don't know if you really want to indulge like that, because it'll turn into just what you said a lot of the time.

Does that make sense?

>>44039013
Working around what you said, I'd call that communion. And yes I do not doubt that trans people are able of communion, and that this board offers likely a poor image of the trans community because it is anonymous and therefore people are disinhibited, more than usual. Trans people are after all, before being trans, humans. That I will not deny, never. I know it.

That, I get. I guess I am not talking about trans people as a whole but more about the act of transitioning itself, and living that transition specifically.

But i guess that the best proof for your case your gave me is the way you talk with me, aka in a friendly manner. That is very laudable and I appreciate that.
Indeed, i guess my approach may be misleading me.

>>44038506
That's because most trannies have burgers of the ass. Those with burgers of the ass struggle with empathy. So they comes across as awful people.

>>44038948
You know, it's rude to leave me like that without answers. I might implode.
>>44039191
The new generations have all ass burgers, so I don't know if it matters that much

>>44039139
That's the kitten with trying to reinvent yourself. You don't have to unbecome yourself, act inauthentic, but you do have to change at least many things about how you move through the world, in ways no one generally taught you explicitly, so you only have so much to go by, from growing up close to various cis peers and adults of your own identity. And options are incredibly harsh. It's like having the hormones rapidly changing your body and brain as a teen and judgementality around you like a teen, in a chrysalis towards a more fully formed new self like a teen, but as a full grown adult without routines that support moving among cliques and clubs and lunchroom tables and finding yourself with others through the forced repetition that renders people so much more often at ease. And I'm not calling us teens. I'm saying teens have it really hard, and a lot of what makes it hard, trans people have to repeat. Meanwhile there's a continent who will never accept you and want you to repress or die, and some of them pretend it's because you failed a standard that would've let you be accepted.

It's a scary vibe to live in. Communion is the answer, but I struggle because I want to be in spaces where trans people are accepted and present and just as vocal as anyone else, not isolating to themselves to get away from the cruelty, or barely, tenuously scripted, constantly being subjected to tests and games. I know it exists, but I get very tired of looking, when the failures hurt so much.

Sorry for being a bit of a downer. It's just ... I needed to explain why it might feel that way, and it's hard to talk about without getting a little down about it.

Taking joy in finding a way of being yourself that gives you the confidence to face down that reality, can get you labeled a "narcissist." And I just... this stuff is no fun.

>>44038506
You are the one obsessing over my self here

>>44039636
I'm obsessing over you because you're a relentless retard. You seem to work hard at being retarded, because no one is that retarded naturally.

>>44039586
That's the optician
...
That's the problem*

I'm sure there are lots of other typos mb

Don't take this place seriosly

>>44038506
>but you guys just cultivate and nurture this internal environment
and you come into that environment, and think that the cave is representative of everything outside of it.
if you choose to look to go into a coal mine, would it be a reasonable conclusion to assume that black lung is reflective of people who've never been in a coal mine?

you're literally in playdough's cave. you even used a cave analogy. you think the shadows are the real.

>>44038506
if you've not been using 4chan for 10+ years you don't understand this place and you shouldn't want to. it is a miserable cess pit where anything positive is killed. just go find community on discord

>>44040034
nta, but if they are a relentless retard, why do you keep engaging? is it nourishing for you to cooperate with your obsession?

the anon can be a retard, and you can choose to shrug it off, calm yourself down, and go get a nice sandwich. maybe you're even still mad with every bite of your sandwich, still obsessing. that's fine. but i think that eventually, you'll realise how much you're enjoying your sandwich, and carry on with your day.

make sure you get the good bread, and a sodie pop to wash it down.

>>44039139
NTA - It's a good show of character that you can acknowledge your own limitations and actually consider other people's projections. That's also very laudable. Keep it up :)

>>44042077
** other people's perspectives

WHAT A FUCKING TYPO lmao. but yeah, you've genuinely tried to have an open mind, it's good :)