>what is INTERGEN?INTERGEN is a general for intersex people to talk to each other about their experiences or just to hang out>what is an intersex person?Intersex people are those born with any of several sex characteristics, including chromosome patterns, gonads, or genitalia that do not fit typical binary notions of male or female bodies>am I intersex?We are not doctors, please seek medical advice, but dont be afraid to ask questions here to maybe understand things better>are trans people intersex?Trans people are not inherently intersex, however an intersex person can transition if they want, “neurologically intersex” is not scientifically proven as being intersex pertains to the sex organs or hormonal productions>how is this /lgbt/?We share similar experiences of discrimination and social prejudice based on sex and gender norms, even though intersex is a variation of sex characteristics, not a gender identity or sexual orientation itself>this thread isn’t lgbt you don’t belong hereRhetoric like this is the same that discriminates against all of us. People with developmental sexual differences can at times have more complexities in their personal situations when it comes to sex and gender, both physically and mentally.Please be respectful, politeness doesn’t cost you anything—————————>QOTTIntimacy, how do you deal with sexual intimacy, this is not to be lewd, this is a serious question. Have you had to have a talk with a partner over how to treat your body? How to go about talking with somebody about this?Last one of pride month btw art is from a vintage Gashapon pamphlet I have
gay men and lesbians are behaviorally and physically intersexthe fundamental deliberate failure of society to accept or acknowledge this out loud, let alone institutionally or socially, is what created transgenderism in the first placewhen men are feminine, people pretend to not notice, while noticing and using it against you nonetheless
>>44081781A lot of gay men aren’t feminine and enjoy masculinity
>>44081781incoherent take
>>44081819a lot of gay men repress any femininity they have because it's heavily discouraged and not recognized outright eitheryou have no idea how gay men would act in a world where from day 1 gayness was presented as equally acceptable to men dating women
>>44081781Don't bother. Last time I was in this thread my aexs was dismissed as not intersex even though it is. Hell even most transexuals are now medically considered intersex by the scientific community even if it's induced through hormone treatment. These threads are made by those fishing for their xxy unicorn their homophobic and transphobic cult can worship.
>>44082371What even is "behaviorally feminine"? Is there a documented standard? If I think I'm too feminine or not feminine enough how does a doctor diagnose me as behaviorally intersex? How do studies decide whether to include me among the behaviorally intersex?Is it the part where gay men sometimes want to be the fuck-ee instead of the fuck-er? It's totally straight to want to top other men, right? Right?Seriously this is an emergency man I need to know if it's gay, straight or both to mutually masturbate your homies.
>>44082440I would consider AES as a form of being hormonally intersex or at least under the same umbrella as such, since it is a difference of sex development. However transsexualism isnt because it is induced medically, homosexuality isn’t because most homosexuals (both male and female) don’t exhibit signs of having a DSD, homosexuals for the most part develop just the same as their cis het peers. I think coming in here salty though only brings more saltiness in general
>>44082944Im not debating this with you. I'm telling it how it is. It's not about personally considering those on hrt as intersex if those are your beliefs for yourself. It's recognizing that those on hrt are medically and functionally intersex. You don't want to recognize that for others and now you're trying to create ad hominems to win a debate you're objective false in. That's bad. It's prejudiced. It's not anywhere close to the debate of how social trends of gnc is pushing transexuals out of their spaces. Be better.
>>44082371A lot of gay men also don’t repress their interests in femininity, especially in the west. At a certain point you (such as myself) have to leave places that are bigoted against you to find greener pastures if the place you’re in continues to feels like a prison>>44082912Jack off who you want? I don’t know
>>44082989But they’re not. Being trans is an active medical choice in treatment and not something, a trans person chooses to receive hormones and therapy to alleviate their GID. I’m sorry but there is no reputable recognition that being trans or transitioning makes somebody intersex
ok so ive never like looked that close but is it normal for amab to have like folds on the perineum area or ?
>>44081758>Have you had to have a talk with a partner over how to treat your body?i feel obligated to disclose to any new partner but it has been several years. even when i had gone out of my way to explain aspects of sex that might be different, i feel that most of my partners have ignored my input. i used to wonder if sex is even supposed to feel good. but i have a partner now who is very understanding and eager to explore my pleasure on my terms. it has been mindblowing to say the least
>>44083020Functionally, it induces a physical state similar to a number of congenital intersex conditions. Reasonably speaking, our bodies are indeed a form of intersex; after surgical intervention, a transsexual who lived in deep stealth would physically be a type of intersex person of their transitioned sex.
>>44082912>What even is "behaviorally feminine"?james charles
>>44081758i have no sex organs or hormones and i am asexuali have had plenty of people still interested in me sexually but at best ill do it for their sake, they can explore my weird body a bit if they want tosex is like bowling to me; i dont get the appeal but people seem to like doing it and it can be fun with people you like
>>44083989Unless you transitioned as a minor it leaves you in the functional state of having completely experienced one unambiguous puberty and then layering medically induced opposite-sex changes on top.Maybe I'm just ignorant but I'm not aware of a DSD that produces that outcome without medical intervention.Where you are right is the medical system needs to be aware someone with this history cannot be treated as simply male or simply female. But it's iatrogenic: a consequence of treating your dysphoria with hormones and surgeries. Treatment you had the opportunity to give informed consent to. Intersex people are born into this life.>would physically be a type of intersex person of their transitioned sexIf you are XY and at one point had testes, TERFs will say you are a man even if physically you're obviously not. If you are XX and at one point had ovaries, TERFs will say you are a woman. And they will treat your physical differences as a consequence of a choice you made, even if from your perspective that choice was necessary to survive.There is literally no benefit to you from trying to force the definition of intersex to include you.>>44084407>selling makeup is a sex traitDamn I didn't realize half the staff of my local Ulta was intersex. That's crazy!>>44083556What do you mean by folds exactly?
>>44083974Same on disclosure for myself, it’s usually an awkward conversation but that’s a given. Ime the presumptions a lot of people have about being different tend to lean more on fantasy than reality >i used to wonder if sex is even supposed to feel goodI wonder that myself, I can’t physically release, I don’t think I’ve ever had that “capability”? so it’s just really painful or panic attack inducing. I’m happy that you have a partner who has the skill and patience to listen to your body
>>44085531>Damn I didn't realize half the staff of my local Ulta was intersex. That's crazy!Half of the staff? I’m the only one at mine
>>44086135Oh shit I thought that was just me!It really hurts if I push my luck on trying to get an orgasm. Is it just... a problem with anatomy being not-right?
Why can't trannies stop invading intersex spaces and larping a intersex? And why do cucked liberal admins/group organizers enable any retarded thing a tranny does even if its to the detriment of everyone else?
>>44082440>Hell even most transexuals are now medically considered intersex by the scientific communityCool delusion you live in. No "scientific community" besides the one you invented in your head is doing this. Intersex is not a scientific term. It is not a medical term. It is a sociopolitical term for people who have specific types of anatomy, which delusional troons do NOT.
>>44082989You are a gross person who exploits minorities for your own self-image. You are predatory and rapist like.
>>44081758I'm intersex. I don't fit into either sex physically and socially.
>>44086646Oh shit! As soon as I figure this thread as a good place to post my concerns I see it becomes an " I'm better than you" fight
>>44083989Intersex requires INNATE variations in sex traits.Medical interventions are not INNATE. You loony troons have made this so bad that the terminology being moved to by Morgan Carpenter--the guy who made the intersex flag, who leads the most significant intersex organization in the world, who holds a PHD in bioethics and publishes actual science on this topic--and by extension the rest of the intersex community, is "innate variations in sex characteristics" or IVSC. https://interaction.org.au/resource/what-is-intersex/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_characteristics_(legal_term)https://events.humanitix.com/innate-variations-of-sex-characteristics-lecture-and-panel
>>44086691No one thinks they're "better" than you, you insecure skinwalking retard. YOU JUST ARE NOT INTERSEX. If you think you are INFERIOR for not being intersex, that is your own insecurity speaking and not my fucking problem.
>>44086720Okay fuck you! I came here in good faith thinking you were decent people, the you talk that way to me?? You fucking asshole you!!
>>44081758opening these comments was a mistake</3 anyways proud hermaprhodyke interested to see where intergen goes
>>44086737maybe its time to close the 4chan tab anon..
>>44083556If its so small or such a nonthingburger that no one thinks your penis isn't a penis or looks at your sex traits as something in need of change, you are grasping at straws to try to buy a pass card to a community you do not belong in and do not share experiences with. Intersex is not a medical label. Intersex is a sociopolitical label that largely arose out of 90s activism for "hermaphrodites". It is a term for people who society considers "anatomically wrong" due to their sex traits (IE: a woman with a beard, a person with ambiguous genitals, a man with breasts, etc.) it is not for someone who has a fucking wrinkle on their completely male ballsack to feel more heccin valid as a woman via. You do not share our experiences.
>>44086737you:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DARVO
>>44086754>hermaprhodykeevery person i've ever heard use this slop term was a larping tranny and/or tumblr gender identity collector, and not actually intersex
ARSONIST SET FIRE TO THE SKINWALKER https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpklbdHVr2Q
>>44086932>Skin Walker began as a feeling of frustration that metastasized into a song. In my life I’ve encountered far too many creatures getting ahead by carefully imitating. Character is forged in the crucible of pain, but that very pain often leaves people too fucked up, traumatised and embittered to succeed. A Skin Walker will flay you and wear your character as a cloak. The Song “Skin Walker” is meant as a mantra calling you to burn brighter than imitations.>In the song I used the term Skin Walker as an insult as it was once used in the dark depths of olde tumblr. After completing the song I googled the phrase only to discover that it refers in Navajo culture, to a harmful witch that imitates and disguises herself as others… “Never a healer”
>>44082440>These threads are made by those fishing for their xxy unicorn their homophobic and transphobic cult can worship.It's about sex traits, not chromosomes. Someone who ha XXY but is completely phenotypically male has less in common with us than someone who is XY but develops significant gynecomastia, especially in situations like pressure to have surgery or take HRT during teens/post puberty, to correct the sex traits. Many XXY people will experience this, but not all. Our experiences primarily revolve around sex traits and not fitting them to the point society pressures or shames us into feeling we should be different than we are, to fit an cultural idea of "man" or "woman" in a binary way.
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>>44085531>What do you mean by folds exactly?i mean laying on my side w a mirror and looked back and went wtf that looks like a-like maybe half a cm raised on each side and folded over and im not exactly overweight if anything the opposite. i just thought has it always been like that and i never noticed? i never look at amabs there so idk if its normal or is that a result of manual stimulation, can that even change the way things look? thats why i asked but of course this board sucks and im gonna have to go look at porn to answer a medical question. >>44086782>you are grasping at straws to try to buy a pass card to a community you do not belongno im asking. and im under the impression that what "counts" is really variable. if this thread isnt for me thats fine, but i have other reasons to think so. >do not share experiences withi mean i do have strange issues like super late puberty zero body hair and evidence of a more severe hypospadias intervention but no records or way to be sure >Intersex is not a medical label. Intersex is a sociopolitical label i mean thats kinda incoherent and undermines the point you are making? unless by medical you mean hrt and not surgery at birth to fit into a binary, which would imo be pretty conclusively definitively considered "medically intersex" whereas a "sociopolitical label", ok you said women with a beard? what about pcos and like six to seven hairs on her chin? that person is more intersex than someone infertile with visually normal genitals? what about flat girls or short men? are manlets sociopolitically intersex? they dont meet gendered sex trait expectations>>44086782>feel more heccin valid as a womanhow about dont be an assuming gatekeeping asshole to people asking genuine questions?
>>44087074>how about dont be an assuming gatekeeping asshole to people asking genuine questions?genuinely troon motivated questions >i mean i do have strange issues like super late puberty zero body hair and evidence of a more severe hypospadias intervention but no records or way to be suresure you do. >i mean thats kinda incoherent and undermines the point you are making?no, it's not. you just dont fucking know anything about intersex communities or activism. intersex is literally not a medical label.>whereas a "sociopolitical label", ok you said women with a beard? what about pcos and like six to seven hairs on her chin? that person is more intersex than someone infertile with visually normal genitals?if there is significant hirsutism, yes, because society stigmatizes women with a beard; she has a sex trait that belongs to the "wrong" sex. >what about flat girls or short men?being flat is not the possession of an opposite sex trait. height is also not a sex trait and irrelevant to this discussion.
>>44087129>>44086720lol no that anon was right this thread is just a circle jerk for you to feel special no wonder it always dies with no replies.
>>44087159cry harder about having completely normal sex traits for your sex you insecure, dysphoric troon
>>44087167lmao stay mad
>>44087202just made this pic to represent how i feel before you even replied. yeah so "mad". feed me more of your blood, sweat, and tears, troon. keep posting.
>>44087167not even intersex r u polyp?
>>44087239>polypwhat the fuck is that
https://meaningness.com/geeks-mops-sociopaths
>>44087245you are obviously a tourist from pol here to antagonize people. people can tell bc your insults missing the mark bc of your ignorance
>>44087275i don't use /pol/, have never been an active /pol/ users, and almost exclusively come to lgbt for the intergen threads i stopped using 4chan much besides that years ago. sometimes i go months without coming here. nice cope tho
>>44086239I’m genuinely uncertain if it is or isn’t, I know some people can have sex and it isn’t a pain inducing event, but like even yesterday I tried being intimate and there isn’t any possibility for me to release it became painful to a level where I had to push them off of me and I started hyperventilating and crying. It feels terrible to have to do that to somebody when they are trying to be intimate and my body can’t reciprocate that
>>44086691My experience has been this community has been great if you don't come at them with bullshit. I've even learned to love the angry reply person that comes in to dunk on trolls and other disingenuous asshats, though I think they go off half-cocked sometimes.>>44086754>hermaprhodykeCuz you see I would not have recognized this word and so I would have probably incorrectly assumed good faith. Even though now that I think about it this has the vague feel of something I've observed from trannies who larp as having DID.>>44087074>heightHeight is a neat example actually in that you could try to argue it's a sex trait. It's literally influenced by sex chromosomes, and DSDs can affect someone's final adult height. But sex is not remotely the only influence on height, the male and female ranges have a large degree of overlap, and it's extra fun for me because at 4'11.5" I'm noticeably short by female standards and a faaaar outlier by male standards.For completely boring genetic reasons: two short people fucked and made short babies together.
>>44087301>be actually intersex>can have sex>see weird larpers always feigning some traumatic story as a stage to pretend to be intersex>go sicko mode turn into a big giant racist dragon dog and eat them funny stylei can larp too.
>>44087452>>44087452>Height is a neat example actually in that you could try to argue it's a sex trait.Nah. Is not exclusive to either sex. people keep trying to bring this up over and over without realizing how dumb it is. Only thing that causes fetal genital/organ masculinization is androgens. Only thing that causes a beard in men or women is androgens.Only thing that causes true breast tissue growth (glandular, not fat) is estrogens. A bunch of other factors relate to height. Not singular hormones that are produced by sex exclusive organs. There is no sex exclusivity to height in the same way.
>>44087504Yeah exactly what I was trying to say :)You could argue it's a sex trait but you'd be wrong.
>>44087452>Height is a neat example actually in that you could try to argue it's a sex trait.yeah ofc thats why the definition given was incoherent. they want to have the vaguest fit-anything barrier to entry and also be an essentialist gatekeeper at the same time >>44087504but thats not wht you said, you said "social stigma from sexual dimorphism". manlets get social stigma. either your definition is stupid/wrong or manlets are intersex
>>44087524>you said "social stigma from sexual dimorphism".no, i didn't. i have never used the word dimorphisms you lying little shitstain. i am solely focused on sex characteristics which have a very specific meaning. height is not a sex characteristic, now shut the fuck up about it already you obstinate embarrassment.
>>44087524>You could argue it's a sex trait but you'd be wrong.THEY DONT EVEN AGREE WITH YOU BROOOO ITS SO OVER
>>44087571broooo i dont even agree with me, i just think youre a fucking retard who cant parse if then statements
>>44087592you have been wrong about everything you've said while i have been right. your every post is cope.
>>44087601how can a hypothetical be wrong dumbass? can you even read?
>>44087452>though I think they go off half-cocked sometimes.this is partially a played up persona because i find it fun/funny, i'm on 4chan, and it's cathartic to get out years of frustration i've had with every intersex community turning into pic related >>44086634 over the last 10-15 years and the manipulative tactic of shutting down/labelling anyone pushing back against it as transphobic by the trans people demanding access to something they don't even understand, which always results in it getting turned into basically just another transgender community without any knowledge or activity geared towards actual intersex pertinent stuff.
>>44087608"erm my retarded argument was HYPOTHETICAL, therefore i am not wrong... the imaginary me is wrong."you are retarded. height is not a sex trait. cry and manipulate more about it.
>>44087470I don’t know about racist dragons I was responding to an earlier response to a post I made, when another anon talked about how painful sex can be and how my own experiences mirrored theirs, I don’t like engaging in arguing because I’m not smart enough to do so and I make myself look dumb :/
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>>44087712bunch of these weirdos are into "nullification" now
>>44087524This board loves to obsess with "sex traits" that are more accurately sex-correlated things at most. There's a whole brainworms game about it where you look up say ANSUR data to be dysphoric about. It's funny because I can't even play because men my height almost don't exist.Truly it was over before it even began.But every one of those things are statistical distributions, and most of them fairly poorly separate men from women. Intuitively we all know that. We've met tall women, women with broad shoulders, women with noticeable brow/orbital ridge bossing, women with square jaws, etc. Or at least I have, because I touch grass occasionally.Many of the brainworm traits even have known non-sex-hormone causes of divergence. Untreated acromegaly can man up certain aspects of your appearance pretty fiercely. But acromegaly is not a DSD, and someone with acromegaly (and nothing else) is not intersex. Even though it may cause them to be stigmatized for their appearance as well.The short king struggle is real too but it doesn't make midgets intersex by default.>>44087653I mean fair!
>>44087452>hermaprhodyke>Even though now that I think about it this has the vague feel of something I've observed from trannies who larp as having DID.almost every time i see "hermaphrodyke" its in a discord, twitter, or tumblr bio of a "DID system". the black ones will use "hermafrodyke" too and think they're soooo clever for it. have also seen "hermaphrofagdyke" and "hermafrofagdyke".
>>44087734In a sad way I get it, like when I was younger in a manic state I used to think about like it would have been better to be born like either my brother or sister or to have nothing and never worry or look down to see the mistake of my body, like then I would never have concern myself with sex or maybe I wouldn’t be such a disappointment to my family (I still am, that hasn’t changed lol) or god or w/e. I’m glad I’m no longer that kid who hated themself that much but it’s hard to say that I don’t struggle and compare myself to the normalcy that my siblings have :/
>>44086871ok. doctors dont agree with u so idrgaf about what losers online say. i dont need outside validation l o l.
>>44088164doctors don't use the term intersex.intersex is not a medical label.
>>44081758being trans is a form of neurological intersex
>>44088185learn what sex characteristics are, retard
>>44087452re: your reply to mewhat the fuck are you talking about. genuinely. anyways, i just can say both words and like how the word sounds so i like an excuse to say it. same with ~dichotomy~ or whatever other word is just. fun to say. idk what ur on about tho
>>44088180i didnt say they did. i use the term intersex. im saying doctors dont agree with your assertion of my medical history, not that doctors diagnosed me as "intersex". i just Am intersex and i have those medical issues. and i choose how i call it. like how doctors can diagnose you with disabilitating diseases but will never say youre disabled. hope this makes sense
>>44088200I'm saying you have big tumblr it/she/us energy, which Is one of the things that statistically makes you more likely to be faking it than to be genuinely intersex, and furthermore betrays that you probably think of intersex people as freaks, which is why you specifically want to be one.Sort of like how some people pretend to have Dissociative Identity Disorder, which is of course just mocking people who genuinely struggle with the condition.
>>44087922I am sorry you have ever felt that way :(
