Not trying to get out the tiny violin or anything, but why does it genuinely seem like I'm now in the minority for having bottom dysphoria as a trans woman? It's just so weird, this used to be considered, like, the MAIN thing about being a tranny (for better or worse)Am I being psyopped?
I have bottom dysphoria too and I feel like im surrounded by transbians that love topping each other or at the very least never want to get surgery. It makes me feel like the odd one out for wanting bottom surgery
you should have being fat dysphoria
>>44909742better question, why does every time someome here starts a thread with one of those twitter stan memes it's always the dumbest shit you've ever read? what's the correlation here
trannies today arent even AGP. theyre AGAMP, so they want to be a futa, not a woman
>>44909742Bitch you’re on /tttt/ most of us want to look like woman because we like femboy trap characters boymoder-Chan is our collective anime trap OC we don’t even think we’re woman
>>44909864her name is menhera chan
>>44909742no, you are not in the minority for having genital dysphoria. you just spend too much time online.
>>44909871Boymoder has evolved into her own thing now
>>44909742I have bottom dysphoria.Kinda wish bottom surgery was less intense, I can't afford to be off work for the recovery time
i have bottom dysphoria too it's just i have bigger fish to fry rn (browbone) so you won't see me complaining about the peepee as much
>>44909742Because fetishists outnumber people like you at this point
>>44909742>but why does it genuinely seem like I'm now in the minority for having bottom dysphoria as a trans womanyou're not, the people who like having sex just like being really loud about it
>>44909760I AM NOT BIG SOPH
>>44909742futamoders won
>>44910069I was like this. I had like 6 units of face dysphoria and 3 units of bottom dysphoria. Then I got FFS and it has turned into 9 units of bottom dysphoria. I am going to go out of my tranny mind waiting years for my turn to get my dick inverted.
nah??? like I want a pussy, multiple girls I know do, I know girls whove already got bottom surgery. I dont mind having a dick in and of itself, ive heard enough cis lesbians in my life talk about how they'd like to have one for fun and integrated that outlook into my perspective. That is to say Id ideally prefer to keep the penis and also have a vagina but given the state of surgery and availability right now; I mind not having a pussy a lot more than having a dick.
>>44910705they used be called transvestites
Idk I just grieve not being born dickless
>>44909742"Tranny means cut off cock" has been a thing for years, everyone in my generation thought that, not sure what exactly happened in the past 10 years or so
>>44910896>transvestitesfutamoders are not the same as someone who crossdresses.Futamoders are just trannies that dont want their dick cut off, they still take HRT get FFS and BAs
>>44909742Most modern trans people arent actually trans
>>44910938>Futamoders are just trannies who dont transitionSo.... transvestites
>>44910945fuck what does TME stand for again?
>>44909742think it just depends on the online circle, i’m friends with women who’ve had/want srs and who’ve just had orchi or not evenmyself i want srs i have pretty bad bottom dysphoria, i am excited cuz this week my endo should be writing up my letter for the consult :)i think this board gives me a similar perception like there are a lot more trans women than i thought who like being flat chested lol, not that i wanna have ridiculously large boobs but ykwim like, big enough to look normal lol
>>44910961I have no fucking idea but im going to take a guessTrans masc enby
>>44909742I feel like yours is the default position, and the reason you see so many posts from people with mild/no bottom dysphoria is that they feel a need to constantly remind everyone. But I'm not a trans woman so maybe I'm misreading the situation. I don't want to learn more than what I glean from this board and a few friendgroups I'm in. All of you are self-conscious to the point of madness and it gets kind of annoying. I guess I would be too, but god damn.
>>44910957No... transvestite is just another word for crossdresser, taking HRT doesn't make you a crossdresser anymore...
>>44911004nah it’s “trans misogyny exempt” though funnily enough trans masc enby would probably be thatand tma means ‘trans misogyny affected’
>>44911004>>44910961Trans Misogyny Exempt. Opposite of Trans Misogyny Affected. Much ink has been spilled on these terms, but the core of what you need to know is that some people read some interesting and insightful books, understood basically none of it, and now use tge language they learned to start petty arguments on tumblr and instagram. One of the vanishingly few instances where this board is less retarded than the rest of the internet.
>>44911060>>44911034Oh god now im going to go down a rabbit hole...
i guess i count as having bottom dysphoria but i don't want srs so i guess im a transvestite crossdressersuch is lifei dont get the need to be so catty about it, im envious of other trannies who seem to not really care about their dicksanyway i think it's kind of misandrist how the penis is treated as this special legendary thing that determines if you're a man or a womani still have male bones, male chromosomes, male reproductive system, etc, why is a penis so important? same thing about women not being legally able to rape others because they lack the magical rapestick that lets you hurt and rape othersa penis is just a small stick of meat attached to your body and i think the idea that it's what defines manhood is very like, weird and maybe patriarchalthats my 2 cents at least
>>44909742They were lying. Most of them top cis women or trannies. The growing numbers of mtf are being created by men that want to be futanari; a woman with an erect penis.
>>44911087Talia Bhatt and Julia Serrano (idk if I spelled their names right and I refuse to check) are the big (non-retarded) thought-leaders in the space. I have disagreements with them, but I appreciate what they do. Transfeminism has a lot of neat ideas but you should NEVER engage with a stupid person about it. >>44911099I'm uncomfortable with the idea of defining sex and gender via one body part, but I'm more uncomfortable with the idea of shaming trans women for how they want to control their bodies. >>44911114There needs to be way more heavy of a quality filter on posts for this board. Minimum word count or something. I think retarded people should be corraled to some shit hole like /b/ or /trash/ or facebook.
>>44911029I hate the word transvestite, i see it as an insult. But you're not transsexual. Maybe we need a new word to describe you... maybe, transgender?
>>44911202>transgenderCorrect!transvestite = Crossdresses but doesn't take HRTtransgender = Takes HRT but doesn't want SRStranssexual = Takes HRT and wants or has SRS
>>44911176Move over to reddit where you can text dump nonsense about your male autism and fetish fucktard. Trannies are simultaneously botched clownish men that also have these big egos and sense of entitlement. Baffling. Like where does the ego come from when you're universally perceived as being a clown or at best a sex toy?
>>44911176>and I refuse to check
>>44911219https://youtu.be/sJNK4VKeoBM?si=K9tVK6LhJkBLp_Wr>>44911234>>44911234Sorry for being racist </3 I thought I was in a safe space
>>44911245A link isn't a valid reply. Go fuck yourself (your favorite hobby)
>>44911176>I'm uncomfortable with the idea of defining sex and gender via one body part, but I'm more uncomfortable with the idea of shaming trans women for how they want to control their bodies. i dont really think the way it's done now is that badyou go in, say you want to be a woman, then they let you access the resources for that if you have insurance, it's not the best but it's leagues better than the horrific stuff back them of having to dress up as a woman and look "hot" or "sexy" for the creep who's deciding if you get any treatment at alli mean like a lot of this stuff is also because there's not a lot of structure and trans people have barely any support anyway, you get hondosed if you don't diy, most states don't actually cover stuff like hair removal, it's no wonder that a lot of people don't integrate very well and end up as """transvestites""" who only have each other!like imagine a world where you go in and you're dosed correctly, expected to get some laser, voice training resources, etcand they even make all the trannies go to mandatory grooming classes to teach them the basics of how women take care of themselvesand after you do that they go "ok now your id is changed you should pick a new name if you want"and there we go ive solved like 90%+ of the issues people have with trannies>>44911215it's still stupid to define sex based on if you have a penis or not, srs does not let you give birth, doesn't change your chromosomes, etcso why is the penis so important?
>>44911270>still stupid to define sex based on if you have a penis or not, srs does not let you give birth, doesn't change your chromosomes, etc>so why is the penis so important?Because its one of the 6 characteristics that define sex.A vagina is female anatomy, a penis is male anatomy. Srs is advanced now. The same techniques uses for trans women, are used on cis women, for vaginal reconstruction
>>44909742better access to information results in more people seeing botched surgeries also most nu trannies grew up on futanari doujins
>>44911327>better access to information results in more people seeing botched surgeriesliterally this, why pay so much money for an introverted penis?SRS=/=vagina
>>44911343>>44911327Confirmation bias. You dont seek out the success stories, you just want to justify keeping your dick by denigrating others.Take your terf rherotic and fuck off
>>44911269ok so you obviously didnt watch the video>>44911270I think more stuff should be covered and I think there should be more resources, but I have no idea what they should be since I'm not a tranner. I'm just talking about what people are allowed to do with their bodies and what they're allowed to desire. Which I think is far too restrictive, even among the left writ large.
>>44911343>introverted penisFunny phrase, as this is what Victorian men said to describe the vagina, and thus deemed women inferior to men
>>44911362TIM over here is mad that he can never be a real woman... maybe work on your male rage~
>>44911364>even among the leftLol the left can be just as authoritarian as the right, try going to communist circles whilst not wearing their uniform, they fucking hate it
>>44911022this is actualy a good point
>>44909742Shemale, futa and femboy porn hit the AGP demographic like crack hit the ghetto, that's what happened
>>44911364in very blue wc states the coverage is a lot better, but i think tranners need more structure primarily, but helpful stuff instead of overly restrictive stuffthe goal is social integration after all>>44911306srs is not an actual vagina, just as a prosthetic arm is not an actual armthe purpose of it is to improve your life and make you feel better
>>44911215>your sex changes when your penis gets shoved inwardIntradesting hmm yes
>>44911362it's a memetic hazard simply knowing you can turn out botched is enough to discourage most trannies who are all generally incredibly mentally ill and neurotic due to mental morbidity
>>44909742I don't totally love my cock. I've seen the surgery and it's not a vagina. I dont want to dilate. If there was a way to do it for realsies I would. Otherwise i'm stuck with it and the only option is an awful surgery. My dick doesnt make me a dude but SRS wont make me a woman. Its 99% everything else
>>44909742Hey I should have specified that this is more about how you feel about your cock prior to anything else. If you can't afford the surgery, or just think it's a crude approximation that's not really worth it, totally valid. I'm talking about the women who specifically say they are not bothered by their dicks, or even like them. I see way more posts like that than would expect to.For the record, I'm not getting any surgery done until they can advance the tech a little bit more, and if that day never comes I'll just be a sad tranny with genitalia she tries not to think about.
>>44911418Srs technology is very advanced now.I repeat, if a cis woman is injured the same techniques used on trans women, are used on her. The results are indistinguishable. A prosthetic arm doesn't have nerve endings, its a replica. My vagina has nerve endings, i can orgasm from stimulation, i can get wet, i have a clitoris it isnt decoration, i use a virabtor, i cum.And do you know the best part? No one can take it away from me, no nasty words online, no law passed by hateful politicians can take my vagina away from me, its mine, part of my body
>>44911456Well they cared enough to transition. That in itself is life shattering. Srs is for people who experience dysphoria. I have a vagina, i see a woman in the mirror, my brain is happy, sex change is possible, the terfs are wrong, ofcourse
>>44911506>same techniquesThey take the woman's penis and bisect it before shoving it into her pelvis?
>>44909742because real trans people are being overlapped with freaks that only like to play pretendanyway botching your dick off is evil
>>44909871Technically her name is kurumi chan and she's from the Manga Menhera Shōjo kurumi-chan, which is actually really good and exactly as you'd expect. Some would even say she's literally me.
i want bottom surgery but my finances are in shambles and i need ffs first if i'll ever hope to pass.my girlfriend is post-op and it's nice being able to dick her down but i'd rather be able to scissor her instead.maybe someday.
>>44909742>why does it genuinely seem like I'm now in the minority for having bottom dysphoria as a trans woman?Because you are. 90% of "trannies" these days are gynephillic and want to keep their penis, keep it working, and use it on cis women.>It's just so weird, this used to be considered, like, the MAIN thing about being a tranny (for better or worse)It still is. The difference now is you get thrown out of any progressive spaces for even suggesting that someone who is a woman wouldn't want to have a penis.>Am I being psyopped?No, it's really happening. This is why I try so hard to hide that I'm trans to everyone. If people knew I was a tranny they'd assume I have a penis even though I got it cut off years ago. Cis people will think you're a predator with a penis unless they know that you don't have one anymore, and cis people also don't want to know that either.A good 80% of transbians will think you're crazy for having genital dysphoria btw, even if they don't say it to your face. Welcome to being a minority within a minority :)
>>44913589This post is so fucking realAlthough i think there is some course correction. By now everyone is aware that HRT can change orientation and more former transbians are open about their pipeline processofAGP/MEF to straight/SRS
>>44911473I think I could be a lot of things, it comes off as cope because if you talk to these girls outside their social media persona, you can tell they do have bottom dysphoria but just have no means of communicating it. Some of my repper friends can say they feel bottom dysphoria but still refuse to transition for various reasons.I still think their valid because I really don't care what they do with their bodies and a lot of them have been very good to me personally.
>>44913681>By now everyone is aware that HRT can change orientatioI don't think they are, lol. Even post-SRS orientation changes are taboo to discuss outside of straight tranny spaces. It's a shame too because it's based topic and the mind being a plaything of the body is a comforting philosophical idea.
>>44913710Thats a shame because this has been known about by doctors for like 30 years.Honestly the growth of DIY is good but I feel like not needing to ever speak to a sane rational adult about medical transition has fucked up our community a bit. Like transbians literally tell PEOPLE HRT doesnt affect your dick and that you just need to jack off and it will stay the same indefinitely? Lol
>>44913741I'm not a transbian and I have genital dysphoria, but my dick somehow works fine even after several years of HRT (injections, not a hondose) even though I hate the fact that it works, one thing I really wanted was to never have erections again but that didn't happen. I will get SRS some day in the future tho
>>44909742>why does it genuinely seem like I'm now in the minority for having bottom dysphoria as a trans woman?Because most trans women these days are either sissy gooner AGPs or they're smart enough to know that straight men don't want srsoids
>>44914177>straight men don't want srsoidslmao
>>44913589>The difference now is you get thrown out of any progressive spaces for even suggesting that someone who is a woman wouldn't want to have a penis.My therapist was like "why do you even need srs?" And i was like what kind of woman has a dick. I want female anatomy. Also narcissism is popular, regularly see dickhavers talking about it on instagram, and now the mainstream tranny position is that srs is for mentally ill freaks. Woke transphobia is mainstream now.I have srs, and i never disclose to anyone. Not a single friend of mine knows nor will they ever know, i never ever talk about it, because the word trans is now associated with unkempt weird gender warrior freaks who 20 years ago were goths
>>44914177>straight men don't want srsoidsFunny, every man thats fucked me has loved it (i never disclose)
>>44914358how does one become stealth like you if they're an actual heighthon (6'2)?
>>44914369Dumb chasers will never learn that straight men just want pussy. I'm not sure if it's funny or sad.
>>44914408Proportions. Make sure your legs are thicc, wide hips, become curvy. You can still pass but you need to come across as a tall women they do exist. So actually go to the gym and workout legs, but nothing else. Also make sure your hair and make up is on point, especially hair. Dont have unkempt hair, gind a hairdressers thats very reasonably priced, go every 3 weeks. Hair can help with passing tremendously. Also dont strut like a drag queen, dont walk like a mouse, just learn to glide. And accept people will look, not because you are trans, but because you are tall.I have to stop myself staring at tall cis women, i often think "yes! She is as tall as me"
>>44914442I love how srs turns chasers off. It makes me feel good to know they hate. Straight men dont like dick, ive been doing this circuit for 20 years, you might find the occasional man whos curious but more often, straight men dont like dick. Hook up with a guy, you have a pussy, watch how excited he becomes men love pussy, they cant control themselves. Its actually gonna insane how the most reserved gentleman becomes excited just before sex
>>44914445this all sounds like cope
>>44914482Better than doom
>>44914467>Its actually gonna insane how the most reserved gentleman becomes excited just before sexI think men are cute for this, desu.
>>44914358>I have srs, and i never disclose to anyone.How does that work? Do you only do short-term dating with men? I can't imagine my fiance not knowing that I'm trans. (He doesn't mind that mine is SRS pussy, he enjoys it all the same.)
>>44909742Men are looksmaxxing by transitioning, they want to fuck it has less and less to do with true womanhood, it's more about porn ideafication, a strategy to be part of a community, and sex
>>44911506dream, excited to get to that eventually when i get srs
FtMI can't have sex that feels like anything without using my genitals.I do enjoy strapping and fingering others, but I can't have actual sex without having my overgrown clit touched or being fucked.>INB4 analI'm not that into bottoming as is, it doesn't do anything for me to have my fucking asshole touched, and I don't like being fucked in the ass either.>INB4 Your clit is so heckin male doodIt's like saying you'd never ever have your dick touched but someone is free to tug on your balls. Or better yet, no one can give you a handy but they can still rub the tip or something. You're retarded if you think that the analogous nature of the clit means it IS male or feels male in any sense.As for MtFs, I'm glad you can have sex without having to use your genitals if you so choose.
>>44914895why aren't transmascs happy with their bonus holes?
>>44914301You know it's true. We straight men want our women to have vaginas (and in some cases, cocks). Not SRS wounds.>>44914358>i was like what kind of woman has a dickA very special, magical woman>I want female anatomyYou'll never get it with SRS.>srs is for mentally ill freaksTRVTHNVKE>>44914369Nice larp bro
>>44915089>We straight menYou are not a straight man, you're a cockwhore.
>>44915122>You are not a straight manIm not just hetero, I'm Hetéro. I am the world's straightest man.>you're a cockwhoreA cock's only good on a pretty passoid. Otherwise, it's vag for me.
>>44909742Bottom dyphoria isn't real, biological men get erectile dysfunction for psychological reasons
>>44914654I live in England, its legal to attack me and rape me. Disclosing is too dangerous.Your fiancee is a good man, i hope you have a good marriage
>>44915632>Bottom dyphoria isn't realDunno about that, man. Why'd it cause me to chop my cock off then?>biological menTF is a non-biological man? Line a robot or something?>get erectile dysfunction for psychological reasonsI could get them even towards the end, but they were weak and extremely painful due to the shrunken penile skin. Good riddance.
>>44915692Normal men can experience genital discomfort for mental reasons, and gay dynamics with GNC people show how much of it is decided by just wearing a costume
>>44915753Are you getting genital dysphoria confused for erectile dysfunction or something?
>>44914467>Straight men dont like dickI'm the world's straightest man and I can tell you that's not always true. Some of us like a woman with a dick. Only if she passes though. Otherwise it'd be GAY.
>>44909806And that's a good thing! SRS is gross.
>>44916315>I'm the world's straightest man
>>44915050Can't speak for that guy but for me it's because it just doesn't do anything for me. Like it doesn't hurt but it also doesn't stimulate me. Ends up seeming too high risk to be worth it.
>>44914442>straight men just want pussyReal pussy. Not SRS holes.>>44914467>I love how srs turns chasers offBecause it's in valley territory. They always look "off" compared to a vag or a dick.>It makes me feel good to know they hate.Chaserphobe >Hook up with a guy, you have a pussyUnless you're a cis woman, you'll never get one
>>44916582>Real pussy. Not SRS holes.Do you think it's a hologram or something? Lol
>>44916639SRS holes never look "right". >>44916408What's so funny about being the world's straightest man?
>>44909742Because the surgery itself isn't worth it for a lot of people. Higher risk low reward. No periods, no pregnancy. Just s hole that can't even be stimulated because it's just a hack job and dead nerve endings.
>>44909742>foidcore2.pngstinky>>44910945>>44911575>>44913589>this is the (obvious) answer btwthese people are not genuine sex dysphorics they are fetishists with an ideologya lot are also probably just coping due to not being able to afford it or just being scared of it/thinking the technology isn't there yet (all valid if youre capable of tanking the dysphoria)
Always digitally stimulate your girlfriend to make sure she has an actual vagina and you're not about to frot with a troon's INNER GOCK.
>>44913589>The difference now is you get thrown out of any progressive spaces for even suggesting that someone who is a woman wouldn't want to have a penis.This really isn't true in my experience, but everyone who says it mysteriously tends to also be an annoying insufferable cunt, which surely is purely coincidental with them being kicked out of spaces constantly
>>44909742i get what you're saying cause i remember that too but personally i kinda just got over it. a decade of estrogen turned it feminine as shit, i dont have to use it (couldnt if i wanted to actually), it gives me my sexual marketplace value, and the surgery is both scary and ultimately bad/ineffective. it doesn't really do me good to keep wishing i was normal instead of making do with the circumstances im in
>>44917511>This really isn't true in my experienceIt really is true in my experience.
>>44917540>the surgery is ... ultimately bad/ineffective.Non-ops saying stuff like this is the real reason they're resented.
>>44918061sorry for not coddling strangers feelings on 4chan dot org.
>>44918073>exhibit B
>>44910945lmao you were the r9k bait thread huh
