ftm i also have theyfab fatigue. fuckers outed me when i was stealth. also outed a closeted mtf friend...

>>45222942
Why did they even do that?

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>>45222942
Binary trans people do not understand the enby torture nexus of wanting to defend fellow nonbinary people while also watching them consistently say the stupidest, most tone-deaf opticsnuke garbage imaginable the moment they interact with a trans woman

>>45222914
honest question
is theymabbery a conscious choice for you or is it more of a "i can't pass as a woman so i'll settle for this" kinda situation?

>>45222956
nta but they always do that shit. theyre retarded and secretly hate trannies more than your average cissoid. ive heard the way they talk behind actual trans peoples backs.

>>45222969
>the moment they interact with a trans woman
why is this a thing? is it really as simple as "i as an afab can't allow an amab passing tranny to receive female privilege, only I can receive it"? is there more to it?

>>45222986
This is news to me. I thought theyfabs and enbies in general supported binary trans fvlk

>>45222972
I'm going to sound like a retarded theygab but it's like a weird combination of both. I don't feel terribly attached to masculinity (at least as modern American society conceptualizes it, AKA "violently deranged serial sexual harrasser") and at the same time I wouldn't exactly call myself a woman. If I could go on E I probably would, but even then I'd just rather be a weird androgynous third gender thing. If bigender-ness and genderfluidity weren't a tumblrina meme and actually possible, I would probably love to adopt a bigendered presentation. But they kinda aren't. So whatever.

I am extremely detached from my personal body anyway. I just don't pay it much heed. I got really lucky and I have basically no body hair and a not very masculine frame (I am 31 btw) and if I shave I look not masculine enough to make me crash out. I do hate looking at my face in the mirror and always have. I also don't like how masculine my voice is but whatever. Who gives a shit. I spend all my time in a dissociated depersonalized fugue anyway.

I don't particularly care about the pronouns used on me (being referred to as she/her would be fine and even kinda enjoyable) but I do very specifically feel nice when they/them is used for me.

I consider my nonbinaryness to come from the same source as my bisexuality: I just don't like the idea of having to pick one "side" and stick with it. I don't feel either male or female fully.

Schizo rant over.

>>45223048
>31 year old identifying as a theymab, no laser, no HRT
jfc what has this board come to? why aren't you on hrt???? i'm asking this as a 31 year old tranny from a 3rd world shithole who trooned late at 22.
i remember living with a bunch of people in a big house and there was a dude who sometimes wore makeup and liked to be gendered her, but would never start hrt and dated the most basic cis girl in the world, and I as a stealth trans woman was supposed to respect their pronouns...
i mean, i did respect the pronouns out of principle, but what the actual fuck is happening?

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>>45223094
>jfc what has this board come to?

I dunno, I only started browsing here a few months ago when a trans woman friend of mine said she used to and I was surprised, so I came here. I've always been the type to lurk spaces for women in particular though, male spaces tend to be really offputting for me (including gay male spaces).

>why aren't you on hrt????

Nona I spend all day dissociating and voice chatting with friends online, I'm a NEET with no job and no car still living with my parents who are a conservative MAGA retard and a schizophrenic christian narcissist. I've never been in a relationship with anyone and I have no irl friends and haven't for over a decade. Being a woke queer faggot is the sole reason I'm not an /r9k/ blackpilled incel.

Yeah I fucked up. Whatever. There's probably an alternate world where I just troon out entirely and become an enby transfem tgirl at like age 22 and leave my house to live on my own. But what's done is done. Nothing can be done about it now. I've tanked depression and dissociation my whole life, I'll just keep doing it.

Not everyone's a success story, nona. I'm happy for the tranners who are, but I just have to live with the cards I've been dealt and my retarded decisions early on in life. The pain only comes around when I think about it too much. So I don't and just go read a book or draw some art or play a game.

Do I sound like the stereotypical retarded repper? Yeah, I do, but oh well. At least I'm self-aware about it.

>>45223048
>I don't feel terribly attached to masculinity
Means nothing
>If I could go on E I probably would
>>>/hrtgen/
>I'd just rather be a weird androgynous third gender thing.
That's called queer. You can be a man or a woman... or a queer
>I got really lucky and I have basically no body hair and a not very masculine frame
Most men I know don't describe their appearance that way
>and if I shave I look not masculine enough to make me crash out.
Cis people don't "crash out" about looking like the sex they were born as
>I also don't like how masculine my voice is
That is also fixable if you're willing to put in the effort
>I just don't like the idea of having to pick one "side" and stick with it.
Tough, if you don't you'll be lumped in with men for the rest of your life. Just as how with bisexuality you still "pick a side" when you get married and then deal with the consequences (such as leaving the gays alone while in a normie straight relationship)
>I don't feel either male or female fully.
Dysphoria doesn't really mean feeling like a man/woman. It means your brain refuses to stop screaming at you until you transition and stop looking male/female

>>45223177
>Being a woke queer faggot is the sole reason I'm not an /r9k/ blackpilled
Thanks for demonstrating wokism is harmful to trans people, I guess. If you worked 10 hours a week at mcdonalds you would have more than enough money for estrogen. Use the rest for random games and nice shampoo. It's not what you want, but you'd want to die quite a bit less and your parents would like that you finally have a job
>I just have to live with the cards I've been dealt and my retarded decisions early on in life.
Enjoy the backwards progress of your hairline, then

Also
>"theymab"
>look inside
>it's a repressed trans woman
Every single time

btw i'm >>45223094 >>45222972 and >>45223232 isn't my post

>>45222969
you can also stop larping and defending larpers. It's much easier

>>45223232
>That's called queer. You can be a man or a woman... or a queer

This gets at a thing I've noticed for a while which is the unfortunate fact that binary trans people resent being put into the third category of "weird faggot freak" but a lot of nonbinary people would want to be, which is the explanation for the whole "why do theyfabs want to be clocky trans women" thing that confuses the fuck out of trans women. I don't think there really is kind of a way to reconcile this.

>Enjoy the backwards progress of your hairline, then

The way E saves your hair and skin and stops masculinzation is frankly 90% of the reason I want to get on it. I don't care about being a woman I just violently detest the way T makes you a hideous muscled gorilla with disgusting skin. I can only be happy that it's not affected me much (to the point where I have wondered if I'm intersex of some kind) because I look at my dad and it makes me wanna fucking 41 imma be real.

>>45223263

If you think I'm larping wait till you hear that I think many more trans people are nonbinary than generally believed because I earnestly believe that anyone who is okay with their natal genitals (not coping, actually okay with them) is inherently a little nonbinary (I made a thread about this a few days ago) even if they ultimately are still men/women.

>>45223263
>still stuck on nonbinary isn't real
ngmi

>>45222914
>it/they (he/him for friends only)
>it
Why?

>>45223263
It's hard to pick apart because we already have auxiliary genders besides man and woman: transwoman and transman

Like, we can clearly just invent gender categories as needed.

But the nonbinary plight is to feel like neither... while not giving anyone any real cue regarding their gender/lack of want for one.
I know what a transwoman is.
Male with feminine pronoun set, hopefully some HRT for bodily changes...

But an NB?
How is it not just a girl?
Or how is it a female on T? Isn't that clockable as "transman" by accident?
It's hard to prove a negative and similarly so for the nonbineys.

Just seems deeply impractical.

>>45222914
Crazy how faggots are oppressing each other now.