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>>23296902
Maybe he shouldn't have broken off his friendship with Wagner? He made Cosima cry:

>[R.] reads something from Herr v. Hagen's book, I note in it the quotation from Nietzsche and have to acknowledge in tears what we have lost in him.

>>23296902
I wonder how different his philosophy would be if he found a nice good woman to marry, converted to Christianity, had some kids, got a nice loyal dog...

It would be much more positive.

>>23296902
This is what puts me off philosophy ending up like this. Too busy thinking and not busy living

I consider 50 Cent to be the ultimate Over-man.

>>23296902
Every great man runs the risk of being alone if he's not born into a prosperous era.

>>23296902
He proved his philosophy, became a shining beacon of light to all those who dare follow him in his footsteps and want to go beyond him, so there's nothing to pity. Nietzsche, given his circumstances and life long illness he battled, achieved quite a lot and ultimately triumphed. He figured out life and won.

>>23296947
>woman
Dude was Mishima-tier homosexual but yeah having a beard might've benefitted him.

>>23296902
>It is the life he went through that made him this way and I am afraid many are walking the same path. It is this life of solitude that has blinded us from life in general.
He was sickly and affirmed that health was superior. That is the ultimate message of Nietzsche, and one you obviously missed, perhaps willfully so. Many people today cannot pass this test—they look upon whatever is more robust than themselves and insult it, they start fantasizing about why they are actually superior despite deficiencies so obvious it would be rude to point them out.

>>23296952
>converted to Christianity
He was literally son of a pastor, and got nicknamed at school as 'little pastor' for memorizing bible by heart, you dumb cretin.

>Christianity
>It would be much more positive.
"Verily, too early died that Hebrew whom the preachers of slow death honour: and to many hath it proved a calamity that he died too early.
As yet had he known only tears, and the melancholy of the Hebrews, together with the hatred of the good and just—the Hebrew Jesus: then was he seized with the longing for death.
Had he but remained in the wilderness, and far from the good and just! Then, perhaps, would he have learned to live, and love the earth—and laughter also!
Believe it, my brethren! He died too early; he himself would have disavowed his doctrine had he attained to my age! Noble enough was he to disavow!"

>if he found a nice good woman to marry
"Worthy did this man seem, and ripe for the meaning of the earth: but when I saw his wife, the earth seemed to me a home for madcaps.
Yea, I would that the earth shook with convulsions when a saint and a goose mate with one another."

>>23296947
>what if great man was mediocre man instead

>>23297030
Agree completely. That's even why I called him homosex >>23297026 in spite of his obvious spiritual superiority to me.

>>23297030
>they look upon whatever is more robust than themselves and insult it, they start fantasizing about why they are actually superior despite deficiencies so obvious it would be rude to point them out.
nietzsche did exactly the same

>>23296902
>Who are Wagner, Lou, Gast, Overbeck, Burckhardt, Salis, Meysenburg?

>>23297054
They were just critiques. Nietzsche had no friends. He lived alone and stayed alone locked in his room like Nikola Tesla.

>>23297064
>stayed alone locked in his room
unlike you, he was constantly touching grass.

https://www.openculture.com/2013/10/the-daily-habits-of-highly-productive-philosophers.html

"With a Spartan rigour which never ceased to amaze his landlord-grocer, Nietzsche would get up every morning when the faintly dawning sky was still grey, and, after washing himself with cold water from the pitcher and china basin in his bedroom and drinking some warm milk, he would, when not felled by headaches and vomiting, work uninterruptedly until eleven in the morning. He then went for a brisk, two-hour walk through the nearby forest or along the edge of Lake Silvaplana (to the north-east) or of Lake Sils (to the south-west), stopping every now and then to jot down his latest thoughts in the notebook he always carried with him. Returning for a late luncheon at the Hôtel Alpenrose, Nietzsche, who detested promiscuity, avoided the midday crush of the table d’hôte in the large dining-room and ate a more or less ‘private’ lunch, usually consisting of a beefsteak and an ‘unbelievable’ quantity of fruit, which was, the hotel manager was persuaded, the chief cause of his frequent stomach upsets. After luncheon, usually dressed in a long and somewhat threadbare brown jacket, and armed as usual with notebook, pencil, and a large grey-green parasol to shade his eyes, he would stride off again on an even longer walk, which sometimes took him up the Fextal as far as its majestic glacier. Returning ‘home’ between four and five o’clock, he would immediately get back to work, sustaining himself on biscuits, peasant bread, honey (sent from Naumburg), fruit and pots of tea he brewed for himself in the little upstairs ‘dining-room’ next to his bedroom, until, worn out, he snuffed out the candle and went to bed around 11 p.m."

>>23297040
Being a Mishima-tier homosexual is aesthetically, and therefore morally, superior to being an xwitter tradcath
>>23297045
He was capable of deep wounds, like your lord and savior Yeshua ben Yosef, and like him did not resent the transgressor, but saw the corruptive ideological and cultural forces at play as being the true adversary, which one had to overcome lest they further propagate the herd animal.

>>23297083
Completely agree. Didn't mean to knock his androphilia it could just be used as a means of "humanizing" him. Tradcaths and orthobros are the absolute worst. Just feeding their religion to the algorithm.

>>23297037
Marrying, having kids and a nice household, a cute loyal dog, being a good Christian... Those don't make you mediocre.

>>23297099
They make you a Sears catalog. And it's true that we need human appliances to keep civilization humming, but do you take orders from your washing machine? Consider it a moral authority? Ask it the ultimate questions about life and death?

>>23297099
>Marrying
"Marriage: so call I the will of the twain to create the one that is more than those who created it. The reverence for one another, as those exercising such a will, call I marriage.
Let this be the significance and the truth of thy marriage. But that which the many-too-many call marriage, those superfluous ones—ah, what shall I call it?
Ah, the poverty of soul in the twain! Ah, the filth of soul in the twain! Ah, the pitiable self-complacency in the twain!
Marriage they call it all; and they say their marriages are made in heaven.
Well, I do not like it, that heaven of the superfluous! No, I do not like them, those animals tangled in the heavenly toils!
Far from me also be the God who limpeth thither to bless what he hath not matched!
Laugh not at such marriages! What child hath not had reason to weep over its parents?"

>having kids
"Thou art young, and desirest child and marriage. But I ask thee: Art thou a man entitled to desire a child?
Art thou the victorious one, the self-conqueror, the ruler of thy passions, the master of thy virtues? Thus do I ask thee.
Or doth the animal speak in thy wish, and necessity? Or isolation? Or discord in thee?
I would have thy victory and freedom long for a child. Living monuments shalt thou build to thy victory and emancipation.
Beyond thyself shalt thou build. But first of all must thou be built thyself, rectangular in body and soul."


>being a good Christian
1 Corinthians 7. You are not a "good" Christian, motherfucker. You are not caring about your Lord.

27 Art thou bound unto a wife? seek not to be loosed. Art thou loosed from a wife? seek not a wife.
28 But and if thou marry, thou hast not sinned; and if a virgin marry, she hath not sinned. *Nevertheless such shall have trouble in the flesh*: but I spare you.
29 But this I say, brethren, the time is short: it remaineth, that both they that have wives be as though they had none;

32 But I would have you without carefulness. He that is unmarried careth for the things that belong to the Lord, how he may please the Lord:
33 But he that is married careth for the things that are of the world, how he may please his wife.
34 There is difference also between a wife and a virgin. The unmarried woman careth for the things of the Lord, that she may be holy both in body and in spirit: but she that is married careth for the things of the world, how she may please her husband.

>>23297083
what does jesus have to do with anything, kike?

>>23297112
I don't get why you think having a decent family life makes someone worse.

>>23297119
tl;dr
You do know that married people with children are happier than average, right?
Also, there are many saints who married and had large families.

>>23297133
>tl;dr
go fuck yourself then, retard. You are not welcome on this board, you misbegotten animal.

>You do know that married people with children are happier than average, right?
You do know what a Last Man is, right?

>happier
"Your love to woman, and woman’s love to man—ah, would that it were sympathy for suffering and veiled deities! But generally two animals alight on one another.
But even your best love is only an enraptured simile and a painful ardour. It is a torch to light you to loftier paths.
Beyond yourselves shall ye love some day! Then learn first of all to love. And on that account ye had to drink the bitter cup of your love."

>>23297023
This.

>>23296947
his philosophy was positive. most people, like yourself, have a reddit tier understanding of Nietzsche, and it shows

>>23297144
Other than the Bible verses, the rest of your post was mostly badly written poetry
I won't read badly written poetry.

If you want to argue, do so with normal arguments. Or, if you want to be technical, write like a good analytical philosopher would.

And there is nothing wrong with being happier. It won't make you a worse person

>>23297122
most critics of Nietzsche on /lit/ are christlarpers who learned about the religion from Crusader Kings, Sabaton, and xwitter
>>23297125
"having a decent family life" is a certain vocation and not a particularly remarkable one, except perhaps for the first time in history in our own time when the average marriage ends in divorce and western couples (excluding immigrants and recent immigrant descent) don't produce enough children to replace themselves... if Nietzsche had been a German forklift operator with 5 kids and a dog you'd have never heard of him and his mind would have been put to even greater waste... what if Jesus had stuck to carpentry? It's the same question, what should the different types of human accomplish?

>>23297112
>They make you a Sears catalog
In what candy land are you living in? Show me that place where you can have a nice, humble family without any of the current day shitshow we have now? I love how cryptonihilists try and make this life to be as the simple, mediocre route when it's exactly the opposite. I don't think raising a healthy, normal is as easy as you're painting it out to be

>>23297168
>without any of the current day shitshow we have now?
That's a new thing see above >>23297164 it really doesn't change the question of what differentiated types of person should do; it is or should be obvious that not every man needs to be a father, would be happier as a father, would add more value to society as a father, would achieve his intellectual potential etc.

>>23297164
Having a decent family life doesn't mean you won't have accomplishments in your life

>>23297163
>I won't read badly written poetry.
I accept your defeat concession.

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>>23296902

Anecdotal but Christians make the worst friends. Whenever I'd try to talk to my Orthodox friend about my issues he'd basically shill impregnating a 5/10 as the solution to all my problems. He hated Nietzche too.

>>23297185
>it is or should be obvious that not every man needs to be a father, would be happier as a father, would add more value to society as a father, would achieve his intellectual potential etc.
This just makes the case for why it DOESN'T make it a Sears catalog way of life. I agree that not every person is fit to be a parent or should be

>>23297023
>He figured out life and won.
He could have practiced safer sex.

>>23297187
I am sure any philosopher, theologian, scholar, playwright, poet, etc. had his output halved by having a family, and few of his literal but non-literary offspring did anything of note

>>23297201
So Sears used to literally sell kits and materials for homebuilding (you could buy a home on a "poor" person's salary), and of course the advertising for appliances and other homegoods in that time period is norman rockwell type nuclear family scenery. It's a joke. It's what the poster was describing as being the ideal life. I got a kick out of it. He's going to drive to church from that house with his kids (please leave the dog home). Of course "driving to church" from your new house already suggests we have some anti-family, anti-community, fertility killing patterns in place. Wyy can't you walk there?

>>23296902
Christcucks are the earths most parasitic life force. Here we have exhibit A.
A weak and putrid in spirit christcuck, who's instincts are so effeminized that he can't coneptualize a man who can possibly enjoy and affirm life without having to dress it up in morality and inversion of what is healthy and putrid like himself.

>>23296947
you don't belong here

you just don't

>>23296947
More positive and 1000% more boring and retarded, like you.

>>23297164
Stupid virgin faggot, go watch some porn and kys

>>23296902
Why feel bad? He’s still talked about all these years later, his work is great and he will be remembered for years to come.

>>23297026
mishima wasn't even gay

>>23296947
It wouldn’t exist because he would have been a Christcuck, literally his entire work is based upon the evolution of morality and the end of religion being useful. What a daft post.

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>>23297037
>great man
He was a social commentator that was mind broken by a horse

>>23297199
Obviously. It’s the same thing with any religious fanatic, that’s their entire perception. They’ll never stop thinking you need saving or some faggotry because they’re completely brainwashed and think they know god and truth. They literally have a parasite in their brain.

>>23296902
>55 years of torment and isolation, just he and his thoughts forever in a small room.
Eternal return should be a real fun time, then.

>>23296947
please tell me this is bait

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>>23296902
Poor Nietzsche, he got close but the truth was too much for him, and the contradictions in his thought drove him insane. Pity, since he had a good mind as proven by The Birth of Tragedy.

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>>23298406
>>23297037

Nietzsche being an atheist proves he is mediocre

>>23296902
That's all pretty accurate, but you should realize one thing: he did it to himself.
He wanted to be "someone." This is how he went about it. And at any point, he could have stopped writing maddening books, gone outside, socialized a bit, found friends or a woman who understood him or who he could tolerate being around, and then had a better, more fulfilling life.
He chose to cling to ego instead, and wasted his life because of it.
The funniest part of Nietzsches philosophy is when he shits on Buddhism, because he was probably the prime candidate for someone who could've benefitted from understanding Buddhism.

>>23296947
Like Heidegger.

>>23299734
> and then had a better, more fulfilling life.
what is more fulfilling to you is not necessary fulfilling to an exceptional person. Exceptional men find great joy in the cultivation of themselves. you misunderstand nietzsche because you are mediocre and will never get intimate access to a perspective that wills great suffering for even greater joys. you will never have access to the eternal pang of conscience that exists in any great man when he fails to become who he was meant to be. for great men it cannot be other way. and for mediocre men like yourself, willing unexceptional things cannot be any other way either. You are dealing with the actions of a foreign instinct and interpreting those actions through your instinct which then projects its mediocrity by concluding that Nietzsche must've been miserable.

>>23296902
Perhaps he should have considered that the abyss does not "look back" at things. It possesses them.

>>23300330
I'm pretty sure whatever pang of conscience a normal person might feel for being normal, is far less to concern oneself with getting syphilis, dying heirless, and thus being erased entirely from existence except for postgrad philosophy degree holders (worse than being unremembered) and the comical misapprehensions of internet edgelords.

Nietszche is a tragic figure and not at all aspirational. He's almost the ur-example of why being "exceptional" is explicitly a curse, and nobody should want to be one. Accusing someone of being mediocre is like accusing them of being born with arms and legs. Yes, you're supposed to be, and thank God there are not more exceptional people.

>>23300371
>thank God there are not more exceptional people
Really with posts like this you don't even need to read Nietzsche.
You don't need to know what he said about Christianity.
You don't need to understand terminology like slave morality, ressentiment, will to power, or overman.
You don't need to read about Gay Science or Zara-Who-What.
You can just read what people who hate Nietzsche say themselves, these Christian apologists, and that tells you everything he said about them.

>>23300371
>'m pretty sure whatever pang of conscience a normal person might feel for being normal
you don't have a pang of conscience because your potential is maximized in a mediocre lifestyle and herd values. I said exceptional men cannot have it any other way. this is the optimal route for them. the one that leaves them the most satisfied. everything is affirmed. your route is optimal for yourself as well.
> thus being erased entirely from existence except for postgrad philosophy degree holders
Nietzsche is and will be the intellectual cornerstone of the inevitable revitalization of the European races (National Socialism as an example). You don't understand this because you have never read Nietzsche and are a christian. who's effeminized instincts find great comfort in lying about the obvious. god is dead and your type will soon find its role away from deciding what values we should live by.

>>23300330
What makes you say he's exceptional?

>>23296902
I thought his sister took care of him and cleaned his ass when the syphilis ate his brain?

>>23300513
I can speak on this for hours but won't. just read him and you will understand...

>>23300330
Wow, this is probably the least self aware, most laughable reply you could have written to my post.
You're not exceptional bro. Nobody is. That's called pride, and ego, and it's the perennial downfall of all people who entertain these notions of themselves. It's not unique, I've been there; and I've been made a fool of, and I learned.
Unless you wake up, you will too someday.
>I wasn't talking about myself i was talking about Nietzsche
I see right through you. I've been there, done that. You look up to N because you see yourself in him.
Learn selflessness now, or else you will fall. A maxim to live by:
>the fool always thinks he is a great person
>the person who knows he is not a great person, is therefore an awesome person.

>>23301843
>a lack of x is the secret to really having x
again, we've almost no need to read Nietzsche or try to understand what he was saying when his opponents' own words validate his claims about them so explicitly

>>23300411
Misery doesn't factor in; I'm telling you about the summation of the man's life, which is borne out not by what he wrote, but how he lived. Here's Nietzsche:
>undoubtedly skilled and brilliant
>was rewarded for this by becoming the youngest philology professor in all of Europe
>well liked by his students
>hated himself (this is borne out in ALL his writings both public and private)
>projected everything he rejected and hated about himself into the Visage of the "exceptional man" (ubermensch)
>quit his job
>traveled about as a recluse writing long screeds of fantasy
>never did any of what he wrote about in any of those books or even came close
>patted himself on the back for being so brilliant while nobody cared and the world passed him by
>went nuts and died in obscurity
>years later his ideas were misused by every other "exceptional" man to justify committing atrocities, from the Nazis, to the Communists, to every sort of political terrorist and agitator in between, which wasn't what he wanted
Hell of an ubermensch. I studied nietzsche professionally for years and have read everything. Your pronouncement that I must not get it because I "lack the conscience" or am unfamiliar with the material, is a bad joke.

You're just arrogant, that's all. Take heed and humble yourself. If you don't, the universe will, and trust me: it's not a fun time

>>23301866
>everything confirms what I already believe
Arrogance. God's got his finger on the trigger, every time you say shit like this, he gets itchier.
Being shot by the universe hurts. Best of luck with that.

>>23301875
>god's going to negate reality on my behalf in order to punish you for disagreeing with me
yeah like I said, just observe their response to the mere mention of his name, they hiss like Arabs saying the word Israel

>>23301908
Negate reality? No negation necessary. This is how reality works, as is. Causes beget effects; you reap as you sew. You're exceptional? You will reap the rewards of being exceptional.

>>23302046
Extremely arrogant and spiteful.

>>23297074
uhh christcucks...our response?
i thought he was a shut-in loser arguing with himself

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>>23299734
go back.
would you tell the same thing to nikola tesla?
>dudee nooooooo you cant dedicate your entire life to your passion and feel fulfilled.you must impregnate a cutie and touch grass outdoors that is the hecking more fulfilling way

>>23298567
And yet here we are 100 years later discussing a mediocre man, why are you faggots so disingenuous?

>>23302198
Tesla wasn't anything like Nietzsche

>>23298559
scientists are still trying to find a man gayer than mishima

>>23297023
this

>>23300561
>I can speak on this for hours but won't
holy shit get your head out of your ass

>>23297154
Balance out dionysian energies homie, not him btw but why do even believe all that clown shit like Ubermensch? Biggest egostroking that's out there in the philosophical slop, he even said Christ was a ubermensch lol. "Man I can be a ubermensch just like Chirst!"

He is just a man with a disturbed life, he just made it big writing fancy poetry for mental masturbation that's all

>>23296952
That is living. Thinking is living, writing is living. This tired dichotomy is so stupid and trite to the point it inversely makes me angry now. Consider that "real" living that worth any cent consists of thinking as well, and anyone thinks long enough they will start feeling "real" living is not all it cracks up to be. True connections whether it is between family and friends are torturous and frightfully difficult to achieve, if not impossible for some.
What do you suggest Nietzsche do actually? Touch grass? Meet friends? Fucking? Partying? Hustling and grinding?

>>23302451
Yes, any or all of those things would have been better

>>23302478
Maybe you should perhaps stop living just for a bit and read a Wikipedia article on Nietzsche's life, for starter. The presentism and the lack of understanding where thinking play into all of those activities are probably incurable though. Might as well let a robot live for you at that point since they will eventually perfectly execute those tasks without fail, without needing to be bothered by the increasing weight of those actions. Just go outside, work, meet people, talk, laugh, fuck. All over and over again. Untethered and unconnected, and eventually all those acts resemble A.I. outputs. Averaged, pure resemblance.
Good for you to be stupid and free but you don't get to tell how the literates one should live, much less judging them.

>>23302506
The most fedora post ever
Gonna save in notepad for future pastas
Thank you

>>23302451
Its impossible to reason with positvely toxic normies whose scope of experience doesn't extend over to understanding what mental illness feels like. The closest most come is losing a job, breaking up with a girlfriend or losing a loved one; the kind of suffering that everyone else can relate to and help cope with. The normie can't fathom that some people were born to always suffer, to him, being outside and touching grass has always worked, therefore he couldn't understand why this shallow, available and common knee jerk reaction to suffering doesn't seem to work, and the most reasonable excuse he can conjure up for you, is laziness. The world is teeming with normies who hold such sentiments as fact, drones who have no idea what true suffering is. There's no point in arguing with them, they are children who are shielded from reality by their normie hivemind and a host of good genes that express themselves as always looking for the positive in every situation even if this means a little dose of self delusion every time something goes awry and this works because every other normie thinks like this and endorses it.

>>23302558
>I'm the only one who really understands what it's like to have problems
Holy shit

>>23302743
Retard normie with normie opinion. My problems are not the same as yours retard. Don't you have some normie kneejerk thing to do, like call your mom or have a drink with your co-workers to reduce the stress of your boss yelling at you for idling too much around Betty's desk? That is the typical problem that keeps you at night isn't it normie?

>>23302749
I admire the effort of this shitposting

>>23302749
I actually do have to take a massive shit in a couple minutes. Thanks for reminding me I would have missed it

>>23296947
You didn't read him, did you? He was opposed to the nihilism of his time.

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>>23296933
[please dpmt]

>>23302541
>th-this is going in my le cringe compilation!!!
Nah he's right you got fucking annihilated

>>23302754
The typical normie problem is usually about money, jobs and relationships. Convince me otherwise.

>>23302788
>I dont have a social life because I'm too busy being literate and actually thinking. Maybe you should read a Wikipedia article bro
Yeah he really body'd me

>>23302800
Yeah.

Is Nietzschean philosophy life denying?

Andrew Tate says "go live life, do the hustle, have kids, you have no time to be reading"
Meanwhile, you are like "Nooooo, you need to be contemplating on your room"

>>23296902
Without his sickness, he wouldn't have developed his philosophy.
A memorable man, a very memorable man. The most memorable of all. It's a shame he didn't finish his work. Even if one does not agree, giving him a read is always good.
I'm currently nibbling my way through the antichrist. Very interesting thoughts. One musn't treat him like a Numa or a Lycurgus, though. Draco he was not. Neither was he a Moses. He was only Nietzsche.
>>23299734
Not all people find touching grass and having a cattle-life talking to the cattle-people all that fulfilling. Mind you, Nietzsche never said to cloister yourself in an ivory tower far from the Masses, he encouraged going everywhere and seeing withing everything.
I truly wish I was like him.
>>23300411
>Nietzsche is and will be the intellectual cornerstone of the inevitable revitalization of the European races
Atavism, the dream of those sick and old. If only such a thing was possible.
>>23302794
They can have other problems, like grappling with old age. Increasingly prominent problem nowadays.
>>23301870
Nietzsche did do all that he wrote about in his books. He did show how transvaluation worked, how morality was guided by simple biological and social reality (A truism maybe, but man's self-deceit is infinite), how christianity worked and flourished. He lived a deep and vital life. It is a shame his sicknesses ended him before he could finish his work.
>>23302822
Andrew tate is a grifting nigger street peddler. That's not what Nietzsche says, anyway.
>If you don't, the universe will, and trust me: it's not a fun time
I'm sure Gawd is coming to punish me for not following the wiles of the priest—the wiles of "God".
I'd welcome it, personally.

>>23302846
>They can have other problems, like grappling with old age. Increasingly prominent problem nowadays.
So basically what mentally ill people face from the time they are born?? Why don't the old just touch grass then, don't they have a community of other old people to comfort them?

I just realized I like Nietzsche better than his fans

"Hey, wouldn't it be nice if Nietzsche was happy and healthy, had a nice family, went to church, had a nice pet dog, etc?"

Nietzsche fans: "No"

>>23302766
Sure, you would not want a panic when you miss your daily 3 time sessions, would you? Last time you had to stave off the depressions that resulted in you missing a day's worth of shitting with prozac for a month. Betty wouldn't talk to you because you had negative vibes.

>>23296902
Lived in a time period where:
>can fuck 13 year olds at brothels
>buy heroin at the pharmacy
>doesn't work just does philosophy
What exactly was he suffering from? He lived in the best time period to be a man.
Literally no better period it's all downhill from 1900.

>>23297009
Why
Last time I saw him shilling vitamine water on youtube kek

>>23302870
Syphilis was still scary back then.

>>23302864
I agree with you anon. I was just saying there were other problems.
However, I'd have to qualify this by adding that not all mentally ill people are exceptional.
Most aren't. Reeally, mental illness might often cause ressentiment and slave Morality.
>>23302867
Nietzsche wouldn't be Nietzsche if he had all those things. Nietzche himself would have despised the idea of being a regular person of his era; of being ordinary, christian...
As far as I am concerned, I understand this is you way of wishing good things upon him, and the sentiment is appreciated. But I am a retard who appreciates all things like that.

>>23302875
So? Blowjobs were not invented?
Oh nooooo life is so depressing
>gets head legally from a 12 years old
I'm gonna le kill myself
>buys pure heroin legally for cheap
What was I saying? Oh yeah I'm so sad

Imagine living in the best period to be a man and still not enjoying life.
The world went to shit after 1900, if they knew how men live today they'd have felt a lot better.

If I had a time machine first thing I'm doing is going to 19th century and killing a lot of people. Not to the future, not Ancient Rome, straight to early 19th century with an automatic and a lot of bullets.

>>23302882
>just have le sex bro but... with le children while on... le heroin.
Truly, an innovative development in Normgroid discourse.
Also Syphilis literally eats your brain. It sucks. It's what killed Al Capone.
>>23302887
I guess you literally cannot comprehend the concept of higher tastes. One can even have higher tastes in murder.

>>23302890
>muh higher purpose
Shut the fuck up. The 19th century is what every man wants. Every man (except homosexuals like you) wants to PLAP PLAP PLAP tight teenage pussy.
The heroin which was: legal, pure no chance of having fentanyl and cheap at the local pharma is just the cherry on top.

This is peak libertarian hedonism a man living in today's police shitholes can't even imagine having this much freedom.

nietzsche is bullshit

eat healthy
don't do drugs
protect family
treat mental illnesses
be useful to society and human race
everything is else is deformation from sick minds corrupted by technology and too much over thinking

>>23302906
Cuck

eath unhealthy
do drugs
have no family
enjoy mental illness
be useful for yourself
everything else is jewish propaganda to make you subservient

>>23302867
Do not impose your proclivity towards castration and impotence on others, least of all on Nietzsche who defied such hollow and unfulfilling state of being some call "life".

>>23299660
All high IQ people are atheist today. You'd have to ignore the last 200 years of philosophy and science to not be one.

>>23296902
> He had no one, no one to call friend
> you can't help but pity his state
Friendship is overrated and “his state” is normal; people dont acknowledge it because they are too distracted with slaving themselves out just to survive, or in other words , are too busy “praying” to their god- money- most of the day.

>>23296902
He was sexually abused by his sister, mother, and aunt.

>>23302912
humans are programmed to be useful to others, your brain litteraly shrinks if you have no connections with others

>>23302928
Passive chud hahahahahahaha

>>23302929
Bullshit. As long as you're learning and hunting and fucking you're fine.

You fucking slave moralizer.

>>23302931
He needed Stalin's balls.

>>23302929
This. Is. True. Not. Kike. Propaganda. Which. Is. Abundant. Nowadays.

>>23302923
and most atheist still live under social conceptions imposed by religions, because religions are a system of advanced social engineering

>>23302929
>humans are programmed
By slave moralizing culture.

>>23302934
It's literally the culture that castrates men - our fucking hive minded mothers. The natural state of man is glorious.

>>23302937
It's the fucking mother. Let that bitch go and yous are free.

>>23302937
No, if we were to consult Nietzsche's criticism of atheists, it is clear they are only atheists in name and name only. They still abide by Christian ethics and morals.

>>23302945
>Nietzsche
Was fucking raped.

>>23302946
All the more reason to listen to him.
>>23302945
Tbh, he condemned the Buddhists as decadent, too. Just vastly more hygenic.

>>23302937
Those people aren't high IQ, so their "atheism" is no more than a matter of herd following for them.

>>23302940
> glorious
You mean being ambitious (also , greedy, corrupt, corrupting, self-centered, egomaniac, warmongering, have lust for power, hoarde resources and land etc).

>>23302956
Ruthless and just.

>>23302954
By women!

Women are violent towards men unless put in their fucking place. Would you want your wife to rape your son?

Abundance of faggots and trannys is coming. Poor baby boys.

>>23302954
He got his info on Buddhism the same way Schooenhauer did, and it sucked. His thoughts on Buddhism do not matter, really, but his critique of atheists as such is on point and more than relevant today.>>23302955

>>23302961
>Abundance of faggots and trannys is coming
They are being created by abusive mothers. There is no gay gene. Gay boys are made by abusive borderline mothers.

>>23302961
>>23302965
The social problems we have today are created by weak / absent fathers failing to provide structure and direction to their children.

>>23302964
His thoughts on a religion that did away with the concept of God do matter when discussin atheism.
>>23302961
You had a horrific shrew of a mother, didn't you?

>>23302967
That has nothing to do with it. It's the women that are fucking nuts.

If the father goes at least the son won't be gay. The most harmful situation is for the mother to be domineering and the father passive. That's what makes gay sons.

>>23302970
It's the women I see today. Fuck my mother.

>>23302974
I'm not gay so I'm thankful to her. Otherwise fuck her and my father too.

>>23302974
>That has nothing to do with it.
It has EVERYTHING to do with it.

>It's the women that are fucking nuts.
The feminine is oceanic and emotional. This doesn't make them nuts, it just makes them different, and more aware of a different side of life.

>If the father goes at least the son won't be gay.
Gayness arises when the father's guidance is lacking. The son desires the presence / influence of the father and sometimes ends up sexualizing this desire.

>The most harmful situation is for the mother to be domineering and the father passive.
Women become domineering when men fail to do so. They have no choice in that case. Why blame the women then when it's the men who aren't fulfilling their responsibilities? Women almost never enjoy becoming domineering and they only do so out of obligation.

>>23302967
>absent fathers
Moron. The man’s role was always to provide resources to the household— being absent, whilst the woman’s role was to manage the house affairs, and handle the next generation of mankind— stay at home.

>>23302976
>fuck her and my father too.
No inheritance? Sad guess you will just wageslave for eternity.

>>23302984
>The feminine is oceanic and emotional. This doesn't make them nuts, it just makes them different, and more aware of a different side of life.
Today they have a huuge inferiority complex and thus overcompensate by being domineering bitches and them getting depressed when humbled. It's their fuckimg problem for drinking the feminist kool aid.

>It has EVERYTHING to do with it.
Men are blameless. Victims of oligarchs and ill women.

>Gayness arises when the father's guidance is lacking. The son desires the presence / influence of the father and sometimes ends up sexualizing this desire.

It arises when the son sees the father as more loving than the mother. She could be domineering or depressed or whatever. A dead mother.

>Women become domineering when men fail to do so. They have no choice in that case. Why blame the women then when it's the men who aren't fulfilling their responsibilities? Women almost never enjoy becoming domineering and they only do so out of obligation.

That's the way they ARE. They're mentally fucked. BPD/narc/depressives.

>>23302998
I already got it.

>>23302997
>The man’s role was always to provide resources to the household
Yes, but only out of necessity; providing isn't an inherent aspect of masculinity or femininity. The necessity is gone. A lot of men have failed to adapt to the change and instead fell into addictions and other cancerous behaviors over the last 100 or so years.

>>23303002
>they have a huuge inferiority complex and thus overcompensate by being domineering bitches
No, that's not it. They're domineering when they need to be, and there's a growing need to be, since a lot of men are becoming increasingly passive and depressive.

>Men are blameless.
>It arises when the son sees the father as more loving than the mother.
>That's the way they ARE. They're mentally fucked.
Your retardation is terminal.

>>23303009
Have you ever witnessed a borderline? You're a blind fucking bat flapping your fucking wings repeating subverted manosphere tropes.

The end is here faggot.

>>23303013
BPD is a meme and you're a retard.

>>23303019
Their hippocampus and prefrontal cortex are literally fried by social media. Women are done; it's over.

>>23303020
Yes, and? Men have been done and over for almost a century now due to drugs and porn, for the same reason.

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>>23303020
>>23303023
It's a fucking fact that women make gay sons when they can't let the boy go. The boy internalizes the mother.

All these sick depressed women are going to fuck the next generation irreparably. It's the end of the Roman Empire.

>>23303026
It makes no sense to blame the feminine for gayness in men. Gayness in men is a sexualizing of masculinity. It's very obviously related to the relationship with the father, not the mother. How in the fuck can you ignore the passivity and addictive problems that men have been suffering for so many decades?

>>23303026
>Gen Z/Alpha
>having kids
Lol lmao now that's unintentional humor if I've ever seen it

>>23303030
>>23303032
The boys are already out of the womb. Millennial and 90s gen Z are adults.

It's already over.

>>23303040
>The boys are already out of the womb
Fewer than the last batch. And it's only getting worse. Rejoice! Feminism has killed everyone.

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>>23303048
Look at her fucking face. She knows what she's done.

She rejoices at having castrated her boy. He is her creation in every which way.

>>23303054
Yet there is still shame there towards herself and the abomination she's created.

>nietzsche religion is le bad and limit us
>also religions : “The wave of Protestantism created by the Reformation raised literacy and schooling rates in its wake,” Henrich writes. The increased literacy in a region, created by the spread of Protestantism, had long lasting effects on literacy. Henrich continues, “countries made up entirely of Protestants had literacy rates nearly 20 percentile points higher than those that were all Catholic.” And he writes, “regions with early Protestant missions are associated with literacy rates that are about 16 percentile points higher on average than those associated with catholic missions.” Higher literacy spread throughout these regions and changed the cultures, “Protestantism likely caused a rise in female literacy.”

Never listen to nietzsche, never listen to people who spent too much time in their head just "thinking"

>>23302558
based

>>23303061
>“Protestantism likely caused a rise in female literacy.
How the fuck was that a good thing?

>>23303048
>Feminism has killed everyone.
Not enough, actually. AI will hopefully take care of the rest.

>>23303074
Your anus will go first.

>>23303077
The coming paradise was made for happy people like me. Miserable people such as yourself won't be there.

>>23303088
Oh it's already gone. Comes out of your body when you shit doesn't it? That's the rumour.

>>23303092
It's not here yet. We need to experience the deaths, or at least the exclusion, of several billion first. Perhaps it will begin on another planet.

>>23302900
So sick of pornsick faggots like you

>>23302900
>>23303103
>The 19th century
Early 19th century was good but not the end of it. There was syphilis.

>>23303101
What drug are you on?

>>23303054
how is the right a boy, her shoulders are too small

>>23303118
She's been giving it hormones since birth. It's an it now.

>>23297026
I don't think he was homosexual, that's retarded notion

>>23303130
Nietzsche was sexually abused by women but his father wasn't there. He was not gay.

>>23303141
>Nietzsche was sexually abused by women
how do you know this and how does that make him a homosexual?

sex sex sex gay gay gay cum cum cum

Does it ever end with you niggers?

>>23303146
It's written. His sister was nuts.

>>23303152
>It's written.
where?
>His sister was nuts.
oh you're one of those weirdos. Do you also believe that she "doctored" his works or something? Have fun living in delusion I guess.

>>23303156
He admitted they fucked. She and her mother were extremely possessive and sabotaged his realptiomship with Salome.

This is facts you ignoramus. Nietzsche entire oeuvre is about how toxic women are and how Christianity lets them loose.

>>23303169
>and sabotaged his realptiomship with Salome.
Salomé was a myopic retard who never saw anything in N. Also, lmao, this is literally high school tier drama, with even less veracity

>>23303174
It doesn't deny the fact that Nietzsche's mother and sister wrote to Salome's family demanding that they stop seeing each other. It really enlightens the dynamics and why Nietzsche was so insecure.

His whole act is a cope for being abused and owned by sick bitches.

>>23303179
Why would Nietzsche want to exchange one sick bitch for an even sicker one like Salomé?
All of this really just happens because Nietzsche was an autist living in a society that no longer had things like courtship and arranged marriages.

>>23303187
>Why would Nietzsche want to exchange one sick bitch for an even sicker one like Salomé?
Because he was made to lose seeking his own advantage.

>All of this really just happens because Nietzsche was an autist living in a society that no longer had things like courtship and arranged marriages.
It happened because his father died and his mother and sister were sick fucks.

>>23303200
I think you're putting way too much burden on his mom and sister. Nietzsche was a man and made his own choices. The funniest part of this thread is that throughout his work, Nietzsche, fairly often, let's it slip that he's unhappy and most of his work is just a projection.

"Any man who writes in absolutes and extremes wishes he was more than what he is" - Nietzsche, while writing in absolutes and extremes

The most redeeming part about him is that he didn't fully bullshit himself

His fans certainly do enough of that for him though, now that he's dead

>>23303203
What was eating away at him?

>>23303203
>>23303207
That his mother and sister raped him. Society is so fucking blinded by the virgin Mary and mother worship to realize that mothers can be pieces of shit.

>>23303207
Hard to distill it; but the main theme if I take the sum of all his work, is self rejection. He wasn't the manliest guy, and his ambition outweighed his means to obtain it. So he seemed to reject who he was rather than accept it. The issue wasn't his actual inability to meet his ambition; it was that his ambition was aimed at something other than his nature.
To be more concise, self-rejection. He did not appear to believe he was good enough as he was.
>the masses are useless!
>the herd is only justified by its exceptions!
Anyone who speaks like this, always remember that the "other" they're referring to, is themselves, and the "superior" that they compare it to, is their ego.

>>23303214
Get the fuck out of here. That's the good part of his work.

The Antichrist is a good book. Maybe his only good book.

>>23303214
Why do homosexuals like you always love to believe in and talk about self nature?

>>23303123
The same hormones capitalists give us, the consumers, by feeding / spiking their “commodities” estrogens, antibiotics and fluoride?

>>23303218
I like the Antichrist; I like all his work. But you'd have to be blind to not read it all as a self-confession. He himself even told you as much in the earliest parts of Beyond Good & Evil.
>>23303220
I am not a homosexual; and because it's obvious and abundant

>>23303228
So are you saying that Nietzsche is wrong because he's just projecting some inferiority complex or are you saying that Nietzsche is right despite of this or that his inferiority complex is actually insight?

>>23303221
Additional hormones. Poor baby boy was dehumanized and is now something unrecognizable. A half-woman with no vagina.

>>23303228
Why was he so guilty and Stalin so alpha? Both grew up with crazy mothers who wanted them to be priests and absent fathers. It has to be the sister.

>>23303232
>inferiority complex
That's not it. Stalin had one too.

Maybe Georgian culture is actually superior to German one.

>>23303232
I wouldn't really apply wrong or right to it; there are times I think he flies off the deep end, and draws harmful conclusions. There are other times I think he's very lucid and honest with himself, which I find endearing. He will always hold a special place in my heart because, even if I disagree with a lot of what he wrote now; he wrote what he felt inside of him instead of trying to appear "logical." More than I can say for most philosophers.
I dont think he was a bad man; I think he could have been more careful with his words so that bad men weren't as influenced by his meandering.

To be more direct to your question; I think sometimes he was writing out of blind inferiority complex, other times with a self critical insight into this inferiority complex, and sometimes he had good ideas, other times he let himself go down dark roads.

>>23303233
It's not anyone else. Stalin and Nietzsche were both two different people. There's not much more to it than that.

>>23303236
Stalin’s father was a drunkard and beat him, consequently Stalin was a part of a nationalist group that vandalized and beat people up.

>>23303240
What the fuck are you talking about. You sound like a fucking nut.


>>23303241
Both had the same ambitions but one succeeded and the other failed.

>>23303244
Satlin never saw his father after he was five. Nietzsche's dad died when he was five.

Both atheists; both with similar ambitions.

>>23303245
>one succeeded and the other failed
Stalin was a nut case, while Nietzsche was one amongst geniuses.

>>23303251
>Stalin
Was the ubermemsch Nietzsche described. Everything about him was master morality.

The aristocratic predator Nietzsche fetishized that terrorizes the people.

>>23303245
I dont think Nietzsche had the same ambitions as Stalin. You think Nietzsche wanted to become a dictator? Yeah, maybe actually.

>>23303265
Of course. The philosopher and the tyrant are kin. Ask Plato.

Stalin was special because he had balls. I'm still trying to find what his mentality was.

>>23303256
Nietzche appeared to fetishize the idea of more classical cultures, where they instituted some kind of a culture and ideal that generated cohesive and great works of art, architecture, etc.
So I think he was more of a romantic at heart. I agree with you, in the sense that he was idealizing; and what the elites he was picturing actually tended to do, was prey upon the people and terrorize them. The culture and stuff he admired was window dressing thrown on top of that, and always relegated to a privileged class of parasites.
This is where I've tended to break with him. I dont think he was a bad man; I think he was a stupid man.
I think Stalin was a bad man.
Thats your answer

>>23303276
>The philosopher and the tyrant are kin.
This statement in and of itself is rooted in philosophy.
Anyone who thinks, is philosophizing. What's your idea of a tyrant, and what would be it's opposite?

>>23303287
Shostakovitch is pretty great. His 10th symphony is amazing and it was for Stalin.

>>23303294
All kings are tyrants and all tyrants are kings. To purge the 'best' part of a city is to purge the trannies. Plato was just a homo.

Shostakovitch survived so there you have it.

>>23302920
>Castrate
What? I'm talking about marrying a good woman and having a family with her.

>>23302846
Isn't Andrew Tate more of a life affirming thinker?

>>23296902
>“Once in his third-floor room, Nietzsche let nobody in. For several days, he shouted, sang at the top of his voice, raved and babbled to himself. Day and night it went on. The Fino family climbed the stairs and listened. He handed them letters to post to the King and Queen of Italy, as well as the last delusional letters to Burckhardt and Overbeck. He grew inordinately excited at the piano, playing his Wagnerian music loudly and violently. He banged; he crashed. They turned their eyes apprehensively to the ceiling above, where his footfalls crept and jumped and stamped above their heads. He was dancing. Naked and capering, he was taking part in holy sexual frenzies, the orgiastic rites of Dionysus.”

>“Erotic delusions continued. One morning he reported that twenty-four whores had been with him in the night. He persisted in calling the chief warden ‘Prince Bismarck’. He sometimes called himself the Duke of Cumberland, sometimes the Kaiser. He said he had been Frederick William IV ‘the last time’. He told them that his wife, Frau Cosima Wagner, had brought him here. He often begged for help against nightly torture. He did not sleep on his bed but on the floor beside it. He twitched. He carried his head to one side. He ate enormously. By October, he had put on thirteen pounds. He broke a tumbler so as to protect his approaches with splinters of glass. He was incontinent. He urinated into his water glass. He smeared his faeces. He sometimes got away with drinking his urine. He chattered, screamed and groaned unnervingly. He could be heard from a long way away throughout the night.”

>>23303302
You spoke about balls...Nietzsche recognized that men like him, had ideas they couldn't implement. Guys like Stalin, didn't really have any idea beyond "how can I get power" and then "how can I maintain this power" as well as "how can I expand and express this power." Usually, it's the people who only care about themselves that establish organized structures of power, because they believe they deserve it, and are capable of getting it, and they're not thinking about much else, the rest is ancillary.
Nietzsche seemed to notice that; Plato thought it would be nice if the people who attained this position also gave a shit about something.
I thought your statement was interesting because this does all seem like a grand delusion, where the root is still "my type should be in control."

>>23303324
Stalin had self-control. The capable should rule, nothing else matters. One man in control is better than an oligarchy.

That's yet another thing Plato got wrong.

>>23303338
Stalin murdered millions of people due to unfounded paranoia at varying points. Self-control?
Another thing Nietzsche got correct: there is no right or wrong, all is a matter of perspective. If you believe psychopathy, terroristic mass murder and delusion is self control just because it is combined with a calculating discipline, I can't call it right or wrong.
That's not my perspective, but thank you for telling me about your own.

>>23303344
>unfounded paranoia
It wasn't unfounded.

>>23303362
There are legions of corpses who would disagree, if they had the chance.

>>23303365
They had to die, the regime wasn't stable. People are fuckimg stupid, if they don't see a fairy tale god and a title based on that they rebel.

They even hated the Tsar. Stalin had to be ruthless.

>>23303388
People can be stupid, but you make them worse by how you treat them.

>>23303423
That's where you're wrong. Once a person is formed in childhood they never change.

'No man no problem' is genius. Stalin was a genius.

>>23296902
>Philosophy for him became a consolation for a life of disappointment and deep rooted loneliness. He had no one, no one to call friend, to understand him, to talk with him besides himself and his thoughts. 55 years of torment and isolation, just he and his thoughts forever in a small room.
hes literally me fr fr

>>23303475
Please take your sheltered manchild opinions elsewhere.

>>23303479
Kill or be killed.

>>23303475
When is childhood?

>>23303490
I'd say about 0 to 16.

>>23303500
So if you were 16 and everything was okay and then you turned 30 and then you got held down and raped, tortured and then brought within inches of your life for years in a prison complex, you think you'd be in the same state you were in when you were 3 years old, 5 years old, 10 years old, 13 years old, and 16 years old?
Something tells me you wouldn't throw money on it

>>23303516
What I mean is by the time you're 16 you're already fully formed in terms of who you are.

>>23303598
Do you believe living in a fantasy world you make up based on nothing gives you power?

>>23303633
What are you talking about?

>>23303652
Nothing, he doesn't know anything. He's not like you, he isn't someone who knows. Like you said, people have to be killed, you gotta be ruthless, and people never change. What does it matter what he's talking about? You already know.

>>23303668
If I was dictator you'd already be dead.

>>23303303
CASTRATION OF THE SOUL, RETARD!

>>23303713
If

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>>23296902
desu he's really lucky to have been born at the time he was, in spite of everything. Loneliness and suffering are a consequence of genius but had he been born today he'd be some autistic troon with a computer, considering technology is power and ours is a time of dishonest action (and of pushing others endlessly into this state). I guess in a fucked up way his sufferings still live to this day as it becomes glaringly obvious how wrong he was on pretty much everything.

>>23303757
See... You're proving how worthless you are. You're a drone with sting and unable to swear loyalty. You're a dead man walking.

People like you can't keep a low profile either. You're guileless. Good luck.

>>23303652
I think fantasy does give us power but some stories are more powerful than others. Randomly deciding something is true despite a million examples to the contrary doesn't work.
We make up simple stories to make our world manageable, we sketch cartoonish outlines we can deal with instead of engaging with reality as it is because it's too complex. Any description using words is always a cartoonishly simplified version of what it describes but I can't know how aware of that you are. I have to interpret signals and from them I get the picture that you're completely delusional with no awareness of the reality behind anything you're talking about.
In some sense people are "fully formed" at around 16, in some other important ways they're not. Humans are adaptable with plastic brains.

>>23296902
>pitying Nietzsche
Funniest guy on 4chan right here

>>23304088
>In some sense people are "fully formed" at around 16, in some other important ways they're not. Humans are adaptable with plastic brains.
Have you no awareness of context? We were talking about Russian troublemakers who killed the Tsar and were ready to kill Stalin also. It was kill or be killed.

People that are traumatized heavily are stuck forever in it - it form their identity. 0 to 16 are the prime ages were the trauma sticks.

You have no knowledge of psychology or of historical reality.

>>23304182
>It was kill or be killed.
That's always the excuse and usually only works if you really believe in the cartoons.
Knowledge is the most important source of real power and violence for selfish aims tends to spend social capital. Bread, circuses and wine on the other hand disarm all apes and make them grateful. In reality these kinds of boys ended up being controlled by Hollywood and then social media.

>>23303141
>>23303152
>>23303169
You're referring to a source that is a literal forgery, you fucking brainlet scumbag. Nietzsche wasn't sexually abused, he was a goddamn genius who became a professor of philology at 24. He wasn't gay, didn't have syphilis, and didn't hug a horse in Turin, either. All of this is bullshit from intellectually dishonest worms like you.

The Turin horse thing might be real. But from what I read he already had a breakdown when that happened.

>>23297074
>Nietzsche would get up every morning when the faintly dawning sky was still grey
>and went to bed around 11 p.m.
Sounds a bit extreme

>>23297026
add.this.to.the.list.list.of.kike.tranny.braindead.ghouls.who.sap.all.meaningful.thought.of.historical.figures.i.wish.the.worst.on.petty.braindead.troon.faggots.like.you.MISHIMAWASINCREDIBLETOTALKIKEDEATH

>>23303207
Nihilism and existentialism; though he would probably deny it.

>>23304595
He could still be a genius and do all that, in fact him being a genius guarantees that he did at least one of the things that you deny.

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>>23302900
>Every man (except homosexuals like you) wants to PLAP PLAP PLAP tight teenage pussy.

>>23302870
kek i really wonder why do these forum dwellers pity him just because he became retarded in the later years which was out of his control.
dude seemed to be having the time of his life
>NOOOOOOO YOU MUST KNOCK UP A QT AND HAVE BABIES THAT IS THE HECKINGG FULFILLING WAY

>>23303214
>“To those human beings who are of any concern to me I wish suffering, desolation, sickness, ill-treatment, indignities—I wish that they should not remain unfamiliar with profound self-contempt, the torture of self-mistrust, the wretchedness of the vanquished: I have no pity for them, because I wish them the only thing that can prove today whether one is worth anything or not—that one endures.”
I agree. This practically gives it away.

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>>23296902
>ancestory in common with Wagner going back a couple centuries, prominent church figure
>muh syphilis post-WW2 calumny and bad faith polemics from the churchianity angle aside, he likely had whatever degenerative disease aflicted his father, and outlasted it by a good measure by sheer force of will (and a lot of hiking, as health allowed)

Many such cases. His sister was hot at least. His Greek mythic/metaphysical typology and correspondence theory with Dionysus & Apollo was on the right Delphic track Mount Lykaeus, DO NOT RESEARCH Artemis is in the mix as the latter's twin with her metempsychosis bear cult, after all

>>23296902
lol yeah fucking nerd had it coming

ngl if i had one wish it would be getting drunk with nietzsche even tho i think he may have been an unlikeable person once you got to know him

still my man tho

>>23296902
Did his philosophy ever have anything to say about the particular experiences of minorities?
If not, why should we read someone who only talks about a white male world?

>>23306263
The only thing I've ever found him saying about black people was this strange line about how the "Negro" has less sensitivity to physical pain. I've never seen anything else written about it.
He did have a lot to say about Asians though.

>>23305628
Why defend bullshit, anon? All of that is bullshit.

>>23306302
You are bullshit.

>>23304595
Nietzsche was raped.

He had a mental breakdown just to return to his abusers. He self sabotaged.

His whole work is one step forwards two steps back.

>>23306263
He explains the benefits and downsides of race mixing and cultural mixing in BGE. Blacks are retarded but they have a better chance of surviving than Europeans.

>>23306314
>he was sexually abused by his sister
The only source is a work that was admitted to being a forgery, and nothing outside of this work suggests this sort of relationship.
>he was gay
He literally proposed to two different women and exchanged flirtatious letters with another one.
>he had syphilis
The symptoms don't add up and his father died of a similar ailment anyway, suggesting a hereditary weakness. Also, no proof he ever had sex with prostitutes (the one case we have of him entering a brothel, he promptly walked out).
>he collapsed in Turin hugging a horse
Published anonymously in an Italian newspaper roughly a decade after the incident allegedly occurred, conveniently resembling a scene from Dostoevsky.
>you're bullshit
No. Shove this crap back up your ass where it belongs, faggot.

>>23306337
All trivialities. He lost.

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>>23306338
>He lost
Lost what? The next 2000 years are Nietzsche's.

>>23306342
He's dead. Nothing is his.

>>23306347
His books and ideas live on and have influenced the world to such a degree that there's no going back.

>>23306370
What are his ideas? He contradicts himself in everything. He cam be a Nazi one day and a Chinaman the next.

But there's a banality to him because all that comes from Schopenhauer.

>>23306384
There would have hardly ever been a Hollywood without him and not much of a field of psychology either. His books were in heavy circulation among the intellectual and artistic elites in the early 20th century. Also, I've always seen D&D as heavily Nietzschean at its core, which has had a profound impact on culture and art for decades.

>>23306411
He was depressed.

"when there is no war the warrior attacks himself."

That's one of his copes. He wasn't a warrior; he was a rape survivor that had buried shame and couldn't admit what had happened to him. Therefore he was severely depressed and borderline - just like Edvard Munch who saw himself in Nietzsche.

His contribution to the world is being a sort of lab rat for what happens to men when they're sexually abused by their mothers and sisters.

>>23306424
He was depressed because he was sick often and unable to really live the life he wanted. He admitted this and acknowledged his state. His philosophy was a rejection of his own decadence, one of the first of its kind (whereas most philosophers tend to deify their own condition).

But good job totally sidestepping what I wrote and going for the ad hom, you cancerous fucking retard.

>>23306430
>he was sick
Because he was raped and couldn't admit it. He was a hypochondriac.

Sexual abuse in childhood causes all sorts of mental problems and these manifest in the body. He made himself sick by taking all sorts of drugs too.

It's a self-hatred that comes after being abused by family. He blamed himself.

>>23303317
no replies to this post because nietzsche fans are embarrassed cucks

>>23306436
>>23306437
According to Wagner he was also addicted masturbation. Hyper-sexuality is a common effect after being sexually abused.

>>23306459
Wagner was himself diddled by his step father. It all comes full circle.

>>23306436
Sexual abuse doesn't result in 10 years of incoherency and doesn't cause ongoing headaches / poor eyesight or your father's brain to liquify. There's also zero reason to entertain any of this since it comes from a forgery.

>>23306459
>According to Wagner
Did he used to watch him beat his meat? You fucking retard.

>>23306475
>Did he used to watch him beat his meat?
They were close friends. Nietzsche would buy women's clothing and perfume for Wagmer because he liked cross dressing while composing.
He would've known intimate things about Nietzsche too.

>Sexual abuse doesn't
Are you kidding? Being raped during childhood is a lifelong trauma. All the people I've known that have been molested are now drug and sex addicts.

That's where the Dionysian obsession of Nietzsche comes from.

>>23306487
>They were close friends
So in other words, Wagner was gay for Nietzsche and used to watch him beat his meat, hence why he knew that Nietzsche was "addicted" (lol) to masturbation. Glad we cleared that up.

>>23306491
Neither was gay but both suffered sexual abuse.

>>23306496
Go to bed, Freud. You're not saying anything meaningful.

>>23306498
The evidence is plentiful. Both left long works in which they reveal themselves and there are countless letters.

You're just too stupid to put the puzzle together. I'm sorry mr. stupid that you were born that way.

>>23306501
>The evidence is plentiful
>can't refer to anything besides forgeries and anecdotes

>>23306504
Read the letters yourself. It's all there faggot.

>>23306506
I've read all of his actual letters. The forgeries, I'm not interested in.

>>23296933
>>23296902
His will to power idea seems to be born out of depression and yearning for life. Only when you lose something can you see it clearly. He read Schopenhauer and it repulsed him because he was "surviving" technically, but he wasn't living. Imagine having the passion for life stirring in you and all you can do is sit in your room. All the self pity and woe is me and life is to be scorned bullshit would sicken you to your core. He wanted to be strong and healthy, and to live deeply. That's why reading his work does wonders for many depressed young men

>>23306514
Nietzsche grew up with three women. His mother and aunt would mentally abuse him through religious abuse and his sister had an incestuous relationship with him.

Everything fits.

>>23303130
>>23304955
I'm not saying he was gay to belittle him, I think being gay and mentally strong makes people formidable.
>>23302928
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>>23306487
I was sexually abused by my mom and Nietzche's entire corpus being an A24 traumacore sublimation might be the most embarrassing thing I've ever heard. I'd much prefer he was a gay psychopath.

>>23306520
Nietzsche was an early example of the "last man" that he knew European civilization was creating the conditions for en masse. The next millennium will be his because of what European civilization has created. Last men around the globe will continue to flock to his philosophy because they need it as an antidote to their horrible systemically-derived situations. This is precisely why Socrates/Plato had their era too, but in the opposite fashion (the Greeks created conditions for an overabundance of sensuality, so a philosopher who reined in the senses in favor of reason became a desired antidote among the elites).

>>23306524
Not only is there nothing besides forgeries and anecdotes supporting this, but it's just stupid Freudian shit.
>oh no, my sister when she was a little rascal touched my peepee, help me Daddy Wagner I'm going insaaaaaaane
It's just fucking absurd.

>>23306525
>I was sexually abused by my mom and Nietzche's entire corpus being an A24 traumacore sublimation might be the most embarrassing thing I've ever heard. I'd much prefer he was a gay psychopath.
You turned gay because your father was there but his wasn't. He turned everything against himself.

>>23306536
The religious abuse is what harmed him most but the combination was deadly.

>>23306541
"Deadly"? Even if any of it were true, he clearly overcome his situation, considering he wrote some of the best books ever written.

>>23306537
My father wasn't there though, or only in short episodes. I guess I could see this being the case because I have psychotic self loathing but I'm not gay. I still wouldn't reduce Nietzche's work to this even if it's a substantial part of it.

>>23297074
>a beefsteak and an ‘unbelievable’ quantity of fruit
based
>>23306524
True to some degree of all academics. The completely healthy boy doesn't try to escape into books. The pattern holds back to Jacob the archetype of the first scholar in the Christian tradition.

>>23306411
Wouldn't that be a point against Nietzsche?

>>23306562
Why? Hollywood and D&D are artistic masterpieces of the 20th century, and psychology is a scientifically valid evolution of metaphysics.

>>23306565
Lol

>>23306574
>t. historically ignorant anti-American retard

>>23306554
The books are incomplete. It's always one step forwards two steps back.

>>23306557
His work was his cope. You of all people should understand.

>>23306558
Actual escape from the trauma is the goal. Escape from the abusers. Nietzsche externalized too much.

>>23306577
Nietzschebros, come here. Would you agree that
>Hollywood and D&D are artistic masterpieces of the 20th century, and psychology is a scientifically valid evolution of metaphysics.

>>23306587
>The books are incomplete
Only because his brain died in the middle of him writing them. The ones he managed to publish are complete and brilliant.

And anyway, his work isn't specifically relevant to people who were abused. They're relevant to "last men" which European civilization has created en masse.

>>23306597
All those frames are irrelevant.

>>23306600
It's his own psycho-drama.

>>23306600
Not at all. His books and ideas became and are popular with many people who were never abused. The common thread is that every one of these people is a "last man" or on the verge of becoming one or at least aware that European civilization is manufacturing such people.

>>23306607
Nietzsche was the last man. Completely turned against himself - incapable of doing anything. He attacks himself - that's all his does.

Ecce Homo is a satire of himself. He degrades himself ironically. To that level was his self-loathing.

>>23306613
>Nietzsche was the last man
Yes, I wrote this already here >>23306532

>incapable of doing anything
He was capable of writing books, so he did that. His books are an overcoming of his own condition and full of guidance on how to rebuild civilization so that it doesn't lead to more last men such as him.

>>23306618
He hates himself because he refuses to let go of his mother's love or better said lack of it. He can't let go of himself - of his false self.

>>23306623
He hated himself because he was socially and sexually impotent. Impotence is the mark of the last man. We have a growing number of "SJWs" and "incels" for this reason.

>>23306629
>socially and sexually impotent
He was that because he was raped as a kid. Self-hatred is not the solution but self-overcoming. You don't overcome by hating.

>>23306613
all christcucks can do is attack Nietzsche's character but never his insights. They know it's damning to their delusions.
Its like when you explain to a women that she's retarded and she just starts screaming ad hominems. you only expose the weakness of your position when doing so...

>>23306640
>because he was raped as a kid
This is ultimately a systemic issue. It's not specific to him by any means, but a growing phenomenon as fathers become absent or impotent in more and more households. That's what makes him an early example of the "last man."

We have the exact opposite problem of what antiquity had. The Greeks and Romans had orgies and fucked everything in sight. In contrast, we suffer from ED, DSG, and PA. These are both systemic issues at their roots.

Nietzsche's books aren't merely a byproduct of his self-loathing, but his extremely advanced intellect and education as well. They may not have helped him overcome his own situation, but he nonetheless provided a manual on how to reform civilization and get future Europeans out of the prison of impotency they created.

>>23306651
DGS*

>>23306651
>The Greeks and Romans had orgies and fucked everything in sight.
No they didn't. porn mutt

Catholic here, so his philosophy doesn't actually apply to me.

But a question for the Nietzsche atheist fans. Is the Last Man really worse than other forms of nihilism? Like, as much as the atheist Marvel fan seems to not be in a good place, at least he is less destructive than some others. He is not using drugs, commiting crimes, wasting money on prostitutes, etc.

>>23306655
A portion of their society certainly did, and at any rate, they had an overabundance of sensuality produced by all their religious festivals. This is where the glorification of reason eventually emerged from.

>>23306651
this.
Not a single person casting every insult on nietzsches character can win in a debate against his ideas.
>I know he explains that the underlying slavish instincts behind christian values and its condemnation of life but why try to dispute that when I can just point out that he was not the ubermensch that he professed we need to strive for.
but you can't even confront the truth so who's really more decadent. Nietzsche or you character slanderers?

>>23306662
Ancient Greece was too diverse to make any kind of characterization about it.
But the Romans were usually prudish people, with the Mos Maiorum and all that.

>>23306651
>They may not have helped him overcome his own situation, but he nonetheless provided a manual on how to reform civilization and get future Europeans out of the prison of impotency they created.
That's the thing - he doesn't. There is no clarity of thought or opinion. He was like a fickle woman precisely because he was the last man.

But what's more damning is his situation as a kid doesn't excuse him at all. He chose evil.

>>23306662
They had the same problems. Nero was in many ways similar to Nietzsche.

>>23306672
>Ancient Greece was too diverse to make any kind of characterization about it.
Not really true. The city-states were constantly at war with one another, and their Olympian contests and Dionysian festivals were well-known cultural phenomena. Their religious stories, meanwhile, show the gods as very sensual beings.

>But the Romans were usually prudish people, with the Mos Maiorum and all that.
Much more than the Greeks, yes. Greek sensuality bled into their society for a little while, and to a little extent, but it came to an end there, since the glorification of reason from Socrates/Plato eventually manifested into a religious conviction in Rome.

>>23306677
>Nietzsche
Was like Confucius. A decadent moralizer at heart with a surface glimmer to fool the people of his time.

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All of the Neetchee fanbois ITT are last men in denial. They can't live without Neetchee's word and absolutely need his guidance to avoid a gay mental breakdown.
I am true Übermensch because I don't give a fuck about Neetchee's whining and don't need anything he said to sustain me.

>>23306684
Looking at the Plato's "The Laws", the Greeks didn't look like they appreciated promiscuity, in the era their Constitutions were created.

The Romans were not sensualists, even before the influence of Plato. Ask Cato the Elder.

>>23306677
>That's the thing - he doesn't
Doesn't what? It's not clear what you're referring to from the greentext.

>There is no clarity of thought or opinion.
What aren't you clear on? Be specific with passages and I'll explain them. His ideas are very clear.

>He chose evil.
He chose to address the systemic issues ailing him and write books to steer civilization back on the path of health, beauty, and greatness.

>>23306701
Plato didn't represent all Greeks; he was a reaction to them. His Laws are a response to the overabundance of sensuality that Greek culture had produced, and which Plato very likely possessed himself (otherwise, he wouldn't have eroticized young boys).

>>23306703
>books to steer civilization back on the path of health, beauty, and greatness.
Not at all. By destroyimg God he destroys freedom because God is the mediator between the parents and the child. God is the one that gives moral agency to a child.

Without God we're Asians.

>>23306712
Christianity is part of the reason why European civilization is now stuck in a prison of impotency. Narrowing all of life down to absolute principles / singularities like this is what crushes the individual organism's ability to act out its own desires.

>>23306697
>All of the Neetchee fanbois ITT are last men in denial. They can't live without Neetchee's word and absolutely need his guidance to avoid a gay mental breakdown. I am true Übermensch because I don't give a fuck about Neetchee's whining and don't need anything he said to sustain me.

>>23306651
>This is ultimately a systemic issue. It's not specific to him by any means, but a growing phenomenon as fathers become absent or impotent in more and more households. That's what makes him an early example of the "last man."
This makes the most sense to me. Growing up with a deadbeat dad has drawn me equally to addictive last man behavior and reverence for apparent ubermensch like Niche.

>>23306720
Without God there is only the parents' authority. We will turn into Chinamen.

God is what gives you humanity.

>>23306720
>Christianity is part of the reason why European civilization is now stuck in a prison of impotency.
Christianity died a long time ago.

>>23306697
>pic
I don't get it. Fish masks are the future?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxL1rw6cw-E

>>23306706
In The Laws, Plato was comparing the legislation of different Greek cities. Some which were written centuries before Plato was born.

>>23306729
You're incoherent.

>>23306736
Its influence carried over into the Enlightenment.

>>23306741
I'm not saying all Greeks were without reason, but their culture became abundantly sensual in nature, and Plato's philosophy as a whole was a response to this, like Nietzsche's was a response to the culture he grew up in which possessed the opposite issue.

>>23306746
>Its influence carried over into the Enlightenment.
That's not when it died. It died with Modernism and Postmodernism.

>You're incoherent.
God is what gives a child moral agency. By going to Church he sees that there is a higher power than mom and dad. His loyalty is therefore of his choosing.

>>23306755
>That's not when it died.
I didn't say that's when it died, but it influenced the Enlightenment, which means capitalism, feminism, modern democracy, etc. (the things which have contributed to the systemic issue of impotency the most in modern society) are indirect results of Christianity.

>>23306762
>the Enlightenment
The enlightenment is not the problem. The problem is Asian lovers like Schopenhauer and Nietzsche.

Asians are Godless materialists.

>>23306769
And even the non-materialists are Godless and turn into monks. The goal is to have children that believe in a non-human higher power that is above the parents.

>>23306738
Tatsumaru is an archetypal Übermensch and his story is a clear example of der Wille zur Macht.

>>23306769
The systemic issue at hand was born from Socratic-Platonic-Christian civilization, which is now crumbling, because all civilizations grow old and die eventually.

>Asians
They're our future cultural successors because they have the intellect necessary to rebuild Western civilization according to Nietzsche's guidance.

>>23306779
>Asians
They're slaves.

>>23306786
The ones that are successfully mixing with whites won't be.

>>23306792
They carry a deep seated slave morality that you don't understand. They have a toxic shame culture and the highest suicide rates in the world.

They're completely socially impotent and carry banality.

>>23306801
You're confusing their advanced intellect with slave morality. Asians aren't slaves by nature. Maybe the Chinese and brown Southeast Asians are, but Japanese and Koreans aren't.

>>23306774
>muh hecking based homoerotic mary sue
Even your wildest fantasies are short sighted and plebian.

>>23306801
I'd take toxic shame culture over toxic western woke guilt culture any day.

>>23306811
They're all the same. They're all Confucian. The can't think because they have reactive shame cultures. They ignore facts in favor of diplomacy and their hierarchies are not merit based but seniority based.

They are incapable of free or original thought. Any man that has dome business in Asia will attest to this.

Even just having contact with them here - they can't think.

>>23306841
>guilt culture
Describe what guilt makes you do. How does it hurt you?

>>23306844
Again, you confuse their intellect with slave morality, because you're dumb. The Asian tendency isn't to not think, but to overthink. At least Japanese and Koreans have enough sensuality to understand Nietzsche and escape the impotency that their abundant intellects create.

>>23306852
It makes me incapable of sympathizing with slavs or chinks and therefore avoiding conflict with them. I want to guilt Russians into leaving Ukraine for instance but they find losing all that free arable land and real estate to the West to be embarrassing, which I have difficulty rationalizing.

>>23306860
>Nietzsche
Was sexually abused. That's the sole reason for his sexual dysfunction. Everything else is just resentment towards his father because he died and was a priest.

>The Asian tendency isn't to not think
Damn right. They can't - that's why every invention is Western.

>>23306877
>Was sexually abused
We're past this already, retard.

>Damn right
You didn't even read what you quoted

>>23306871
That's not what I meant. How does guilt affect you personally?

>>23306894
>You didn't even read what you quoted
Their tendency is not to not think: they are incapable of it.

>>23306907
Their tendency is to overthink. They do too much of it.

>>23306901
I've lost slavic and chink friends over this stuff, the macro and micro align. Aside from that shame is more of an issue for me on a personal level.