Any recs for (mostly older) speculative fiction with interesting prose experimental or transgressive elements? Modern stuff seems so codifiedSo far I have>The Worm Ouroboros >Invisible Cities>Dhalgren >Pilgermann>Titus Groan
>>23298012Bleh, there should be another comma in there. I kept needing to delete stuff to not trip up the spam filter for some reason
>>23298012Lord Dunsany, Clark Ashton Smith, Robert W Chambers' The King in Yellow. Good prose, interesting ideas, and they never draw things out too long.CAPTCHA: RAWR lmao
>>23298711Cute :3
>experimental>transgressiveIt's hard gay, but that comes with the territory.
>>23298012That is a cool-ass cover.To be more on-topic try The House on the Borderland.
>>23298803Most of 4chan is bisexual apparently
>>23298012It's unfathomable how this was written before WW1.
>>23299623What makes you say that?
Voyage To Arcturus
>>23299556I don't know if I believe that, but it sure seems that way on the interest boards. >>23299743The vast majority of the proto-SF and fantasy is pretty much your average adventure pulp or weird fiction with what may as well be a man in a rubber suit. Night Land, while it influenced everything afterwards and that plays into it, comes off as something you'd expect from the 70s. Conceptually, it's more forward than what came between and entirely unlike what came before.
olaf stapledon's last and first men & star maker
>>23298012Gene wolfe has some nice non-codified novels. Prose quality changes from a book to the next, BotNS being the best probably
>>23298803I read the title as susussus on my ass
>>23301469You're not wrong.
You listed Pilgermann but not Riddley Walker lol
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>>23298012>speculative fictionwhat does that even mean? What is speculative about the worm ouroboros? What if people lived on venus? What if icelandic saga but fantasy?
>>23299623This was so fucking good >>23301132>olaf stapledon's last and first menThis was really ahead of its time as well
>>23303582Speculative fiction is a term used to describe those books that land somewhere between horror, fantasy and sf.
>>23303582It's a term for unrealistic fiction, it includes genre fiction but not all speculative works are genre >>23303798You're thinking of weird fiction
>>23298012naked lunch
>>23304015>>23303582Genre fiction is any fiction which adheres to a genre (Mystery, Fantasy, Sci-Fi, Horror, Romance, etc.)Speculative fiction is any fiction which departs from realism (includes Fantasy, Sci-Fi, Supernatural Horror, Alt-history, Magical Realism, etc.)Weird fiction is a mostly very gay type of speculative fiction featuring non-traditional monsters (stuff like Lovecraft and Miéville)
>>23304015>You're thinking of weird fictionthey're almost synonymous at this pointspeculative fiction is a bit broader, but they do overlap
>>23299623>>23303795I found the writing style of The Night Land comically bad. Why does it get so much praise
>>23300914>majority of the proto-SF and fantasy is pretty much your average adventure pulp or weird fiction with what may as well be a man in a rubber suit. Night Land, while it influenced everything afterwards and that plays into it, comes off as something you'd expect from the 70s. Conceptually, it's more forward than what came between and entirely unlike what came before.Couldn't agree more
>>23306489Because it filters idiots
>>23303582It's a broad meta-category that includes works that would otherwise be excluded from fantasy or science fiction on other grounds. It came into more common usage due to how bound to certain conventions and expectations SF&F had become and the need to identify works that fell outside that scope. >>23306538It's pretty clear if you survey the work, although some of the early pulp content is remarkably forward. I just find a huge gap in how completely novel the concepts are in the space between the seminal works and the New Wave. It's like we're talking about a logical sequence of progression between a boat and a nuclear aircraft carrier and all that stuff in the middle was still working out how square rigging works.
>>23306540Yeah filtered by shit prose
>>23299623when book covers were still cool
