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>>23299380ASOIAF
>>23299375>reading The Great Ordeal>story arrives at Ishterebinth>reader is bombarded with nonmen names and loreBakker expects me to remember all this? The Amiolas is a cool concept though.
>>23299412Bakker expects you to remember this because he is a "serious author" writing "serious fiction" for "serious people".
>>23299428Serious can be good, and often is good Second Apocalypse, but yeah can be a Slog.But not everything has to be fun adventures of Dildo Hobbins or Gonad the Barechested
>>23299439Don't you just love it when an otherwise serious or emotional scene is then utterly ruined by some completely inappropriate and out of place "snarky" quip? Gotta have as many obnoxious Whedonisms as possible to keep the emotional pulse of a book/movie as flat as possible. It's as if the writer is absolutely terrified of what other people may think of them if they attempt something serious, like they need a means to be like "ha ha I was just joking bro, it was cringe on purpose ha ha". I would much rather read something that is brave enough to take itself seriously and occasionally loses its balance into cheesy/cringe territory than any hamfisted Marvel quip garbage so long as the former is done so honestly and with heart.Modern writing has no balls. Theres' a reason why most of the books discussed in these threads and on this board in general are 30+ years old.
>>23299375Read TemeraireAlso, any good Antinatalist sci-fi Fantasy literature out there? asking for a friend
>>23299490>good Antinatalist
>>23299490>webnovel and chinkslop reader is an antinatalist faggotWHO WOULD'VE THUNK IT?
i'm reading incest erotic vintage novels. boomers were based
>Solitary God (“Allonara Yulah” in Kianni)>a-l-l-o-n-ara because he's le single get it?? oh and let's add something that sounds like allah
>>23299490antinatalise yourself
What's the best translation of Beowulf? I want to read it but I remember some people arguing about which translation is best some time ago.
why are all these detective stories normie read so fucking terriblehorrible prose, no good characters, tons of filler, either foreseeable twist or something so retarded you could never see it comingthey make even sanderson look like some 200 gigachad
>>23299747You have any good suggestions for detective books?After I read a few more fantasy books, I want to do detective then noir as my next genre.
>>23299535Have you read The Story of Venus and Tannhäuser by Beardsley? It would probably give the frog in the previous thread a heart attack.
Read the Red Rising trilogy, was ok at first but as it went on it got more irritating. Every misery and indignity is heaped on the protagonist by increasingly nasty villains all of whom never answer for it. They all die with heroic dignity and some traitors are venerated post mortem by the protag. And the love interest is an awful manipulator but she is never identified as such by the narration. Don't waste your time.
>>23299755The Library of America anthologies have some of the best. Outside of that, you have to break it down by genre because it's a long history with very different types of crime and intent behind writing about it. The hard boiled and noir is a lot less autistic than what crime spergs usually go for.
>>23299560For some reason, antinatalists only want to apply their philosophy to everyone else but never themselves. Why is that, I wonder?
>>23300058The problem with noir is there is no noir better than what Bill Watterson casually threw out in his Tracer Bullet joke strips.
>>23300079That's hard boiled, not noir >The French word noir (which means “black”) was first connected to the word film by a French critic in 1946, and has subsequently become a prodigiously overused term to describe a certain type of film or literary work. Curiously, noir is not unlike pornography, in the sense that it is virtually impossible to define, but everyone thinks they know it when they see it. Like many other certainties, it is often wildly inaccurate.> […] I also believe that most film and literary critics are entirely wrong about their definitions of noir, a genre which famously — but erroneously — has its roots in the American hard-boiled private eye novel. In fact, the two subcategories of the mystery genre, private detective stories and noir fiction, are diametrically opposed, with mutually exclusive philosophical premises.>Noir works, whether films, novels, or short stories, are existential, pessimistic tales about people, including (or especially) protagonists, who are seriously flawed and morally questionable. The tone is generally bleak and nihilistic, with characters whose greed, lust, jealousy, and alienation lead them into a downward spiral as their plans and schemes inevitably go awry. Whether their motivation is as overt as a bank robbery, or as subtle as the willingness to compromise integrity for personal gain, the central figures in noir stories are doomed to hopelessness. They may be motivated by the pursuit of seemingly easy money or by love — or, more commonly, physical desire — almost certainly for the wrong member of the opposite sex. The machinations of their relentless lust will ‘cause them to lie, steal, cheat, and even kill as they become more and more entangled in a web from which they cannot possibly extricate themselves. And, while engaged in this hopeless quest, they will be double-crossed, betrayed, and, ultimately, ruined. The likelihood of a happy ending in a noir story is remote, even if the protagonists own view of a satisfactory resolution is the criterion for defining happy. No, it will end badly, because the the characters are inherently corrupt and that is the fate that inevitably awaits them.1/2
>>23300100>The private detective story is a different matter entirely. Raymond Chandler famously likened the private eye to a knight, a man who could walk mean streets but not himself be mean, and this is true of the overwhelming majority of those heroic figures. They may well be brought into an exceedingly dark situation, and encounter characters who are deceptive, violent, paranoid, and lacking a moral center, but the American private detective retains his sense of honor in the face of all the adversity and duplicity with which he must do battle.>Film noir blurs the distinction between hard-boiled private eye narratives and true noir stories by employing similar design and camerawork techniques for both genres, though the discerning viewer will easily recognize the opposing life-views of a moral, even heroic, often romantic detective, and the lost characters in noir who are caught in the inescapable prisons of their own construction, forever trapped by their isolation from their own souls, as well as from society and the moral restrictions that permit it to be regarded as civilized.>We created it, but they love it more in France than they do here. Noir is the most scrutinized offshoot of the hard-boiled school of fiction. It’s the long drop off the short pier, and the wrong man and the wrong woman in perfect misalliance. It’s the nightmare of flawed souls with big dreams and the precise how and why of the all-time sure thing that goes bad. Noir is opportunity as fatality, social justice as sanctified shuck, and sexual love as a one-way ticket to hell. Noir indicts the other subgenres of the hard-boiled school as sissified, and canonizes the inherent human urge toward self-destruction.The Best American Noir of the Century (Otto Penzler, ed.)
>>23300117>>23300100This seems to attempt to define (or rather, redefine) Noir stories as merely "grimdark", when nothing could be further from the truth. They're gritty and morally ambiguous, to be sure, but some of the most famous and well-respected Film Noirs have what amounts to happy endings for heroic figures - The Maltese Falcon, Laura, The Black Book, His Kind of Woman, and The Strange Love of Martha Ivers for example, all undeniable examples of true Noir yet not so exclusionary and relentlessly downbeat as the author of this article is trying to make them out to be; the near total ruin of movies like Double Indemnity, The Postman Always Rings Twice, Chinatown, or Mulholland Falls are not necessary prerequisites for Noir stories.
>>23300243Film noir is not the noir novel. That's pretty explicit. The noir is grimderp at worst, bittersweet at the most positive. As we're talking about the literature, especially of the initial period, it tends to be pretty bleak. The early films are also bleak due to the Hayes Code.
>>23299375well ain't that a nice surprise as the OP pic. currently reading Island of the Thousand Lighthouses again.there really ought to be some Moers in those recommended reading lists that are always linked.
>>23299755no every single one i've tried has been fucking terribleit's literally just a genre for retarded boomers and low-iq housewives, garbage incarnatei guess there's some decent scandinavian detective stories but they're all the same, muh autistic main character, muh surprising close family murderer, muh existentialism
>>23300400I was never able to get into detective stories either. I just find them very formulaic and boring and even though I know I have to look for clues or whatever, I always end up turning my brain off because I know the detective will do my work for me in the end. The only series that didn't bore me was Arsene Lupin, but that's a bit different. I also read the first two Phantomas stories and liked them, but that's all I can bother to remember and recommend >>23299755 and it's probably not what you're looking for anyway.
>>23300437*Fantomas, I will never spell this right.
>>23300437i guess i just wanted something with a mystery format that took a weirder turnlike a story that starts out as a murder mystery but gets deeper the more you read until it becomes a grand conspiracythe last thing i tried was this book called night film by pessl and it's legit one of the worst things i've read in a long time, just meandering and full of filler, garbage characters, some of the worst cringy prose i've yet encountered (very obviously written by a middle-aged female lib)my hope was that there'd be a treasure trove of detective novels that deal with fucked up topics, kinda like the first season of true detective, but apparently not, even though you'd think with conspiracy theories being mainstream for half a century there'd be at least half a dozen bizarre and interesting detective stories
>>23300366>>23299375it is fascinating how Captain Bluebear was part of my early childhood and even managed to get an animated feature length cartoon I read the book way later and became a fan of Moers, unfortunately, the latest book I've read of him>Der Bücherdrachefelt like a let-down when compared to his other books and now I've just realized that it's been a while since I picked up another Moers book, maybe I'll give Die Insel der Tausend Leuchttürme a chance>also I haven't read it for so long, wasn't it implied that the guy who got transformed into a living book (kind of) was originally a human? Or is my memory just that foggy?
>>23300400incredible to make this kind of post and then garnish it with AI-generated coomerified anime pictures
>>23300400BUNDA
>>23300475okay, you draw me something better assman
>>23300445Maybe stuff like The Name of the Rose or Foucault's Pendulum would be up your alley.
sanderGOD
>>23300550i've read both, but tyi did like them a lot
I'm bogged down in The Bonehunters. Guess I'll just have to power through it.
Finished Howling Dark by Christopher Ruocchio earlier today and it's absolutely a massive improvement in my eyes over Empire of Silence in terms of pacing and worldbuilding. From the very beginning I found myself far more invested in what's going on this time around since it seemed to focus far more on being a SciFi story whereas EoS to me felt that it could have easily been a fantasy novel with how little I felt it took advantage of it's genre.There's just one thing that really bothered me and somewhat tainted a really strong last 1/4th of the novel and that's the death and resurrection of Hadrian after Aranata beheads him it just strikes me as a bridge too far towards magic shit but I'd love to know how other people felt about that plotline and if I'm in the minority for being annoyed by it. Visions and references to soft prescience is one thing but I feel that timeline altering influence to prevent the death of a character that already has permanent plot armor did a disservice to this story and prevents me from giving it a 5/5 rating in spite of how much I liked this book. Side note but the hostage negotiation scene and the two conversations Hadrian and Switch have in the last half of this book are absolutely incredible scenes.another 4/5 for this series but it was damn close to being excellent
>>23300715How pozzed?
>>23300719Quite. I dropped it book 1 when his mother was a lesbian and women were depicted as soldiers/leaders.
>>23300719I wouldn't say so personally
>>23299380Fourth Wing
>>23300715fuck off, yev. leave your shitty reviews in your retarded discord server, faggot.
>>23300731buy an ad
>>23300725>Having 2 (two) hot milf moms Is pozzedWtf i'm woke now?!?
>>23300715I was fine with spoilers stuffthe complete dismissal of Switch struck me as odd. doesn't feel like it was handled right>>23300761the mom is married to his dad for political reasons, just has a lesbian harem
Any good fantasy about rat catchers, or heavily featuring rats (that isn't Warhammer related)?
>>23300815i don't have a recommendation but I'm curious, why rat catchers of all things?
>>23300823I played an excellent game of Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay in which I played a Rat-catcher who survived for some time (rare in that particular game which has a reputation for being extremely deadly). That got me reading about the Pied Piper myth, and just the occupation of rat-catching in general. I think there is a really good sword and sorcery story or two about the subject, in the style of Fritz Leiber's Lankhmar.
>>23300815The Strain is a horror novel about vampires but one of the characters is a ratcatcher who first stumbles into the vampire menace because of the way the rats were acting. Disclaimer: I've only seen the show and not read the book so I don't know how different it is but that's what came to mind.
>>23300466it's been ages since I saw the Bluebear movie, these days I wish it had been based off the book instead of being its own thing taking place much later.perhaps one day some big movie company realizes the potential of Zamonia and we get (excellent ones, I won't accept anything less!) movie adaptions. I'm sure Rumo and Rala especially would also be very popular with... certain communities The only Moers I never finished is Prinzessin Insomnia. Just thought it was very boring while reading, maybe that was the intention. Bücherdrache wasn't all that great (perhaps the feeling of "Moers will literally do anything except finish Castle Of Dreaming Books" played into it, and the fact that the events likely didn't actually happen), but I still got enjoyment out of it. And after the end there's the first chapter for 1000 Leuchttürme, so that got me excited.And this excitement wasn't in vain, to me it felt that it's a return to form. really fun, and I had to purposely take it slow so that I wouldn't blaze through the entire experience in just a day or two. personally I didn't read the cover text/blurbs on the back and may also have skipped or forgotten reading the foreword. looking back that's not a bad idea, it's not *super* spoilery but I prefer to go into things without any expectations and just see the story play out. but yeah, good book. deserves its spot atop the bestseller lists.as for your spoiler yes. not just implied, he outright states it.
Read TenebroumTraditional medieval fantasy with humans, gods, ghosts, dvarves, goblins, gnomes and others.No cultivation, no xanxia and no litrpg nonsense.
>>23300851sometimes I forget that humans are actually a thing in Moers Books, living next to talking bears, dogs, living books, and all the other beings, like the giant dinosaurs/reptilians>well, the big bad in the movie was also a humanit is like reading a book about elves and dwarves and other fantastic creatures and suddenly someone's like>Oh remember the humans? I sure don't
kek based
^ bot post, probably bakkerfag
>>23300895>I'm racist but it's against the right targets I'm one of the GOOD ONES
>no thread for general fiction / horrorI read this, it was pretty good. Campy and pretty fun, but overall felt somewhat low-resolution and the characterisation was somewhat cartoonish. 6/10. Somewhat worse than the last read - Between Two Fires. That was more like 7.5, and is recommended. Any horror enjoyers with recommendations?
>>23300884well all the humans were expelled and fled to the other continents of the world, so there's not many left in Zamonia.anything tv show/cartoons/movie is irrelevant to the Zamonia lore anyway, i consider the two entirely separate things that just happen to share a main character. one is a fun kids show, the other an entire fantasy world abundant with lore.even if some of his later antics technically could've happened in the second half of his life, but for example Feinfinger and Bluebear being (iirc) childhood rivals is of course completely impossible.
>>23300870nice book faggot, did you self-publish it yourself on a Fisher Price printing press?
>>23301053>bookIt's on royal road.
>>23300780>Milf with a lesbian milf haremhhuuoooohhhhpicked up, maybe modern space opera isn't so bad
>>23301084she isn't in very much of the first book I'm afraid to say, sorry anon
>>23301013What sort of horror do you like?
>>23301092is the book gay too or was that just the swedish movie
>>23301089SAD!
>>23300895fuck this dumb cunt
>>23301096Its bloodier if that piques your interest
Reading AGoT for the first time in about eight years and I'm enjoying it a hell of a lot more than I used to. Back then, I was too much into a /lit/ headspace of dismissing genre fiction outright.Anything else with comfy wars between loads of lords and bannermen?
>>23299717I can't remember the first translation I read and the second was Tolkien's which I liked well enough, although I think I'm just not into the story of Beowulf in the first place. I actually liked T's commentary and his two retellings better.
>>23300743Clearly I didn't write that. It's rather silly to try to give me credit that others deserve. There isn't a tripcode, it doesn't follow my formatting, it isn't a full post /~3000 characters, and I rated the first book 2/5. I won't be reading more. I don't have a discord server and I haven't been on discord since the beginning of the year. I didn't post what I wrote about there either really.
>>23301231I had a blast revisiting the entire series after several years during the first few months of 2023 what i wouldn't give to be able to experience them again entirely blind for the first time
>>23301266>I won't be reading more.Please do. And stop posting your gay "reviews."
>>23301291I've only read the first before, so books two through five will be more or less brand new to me. Assuming they are indeed quite different from the HBO adaptation, which I've seen twice.What's /sffg/'s stance on the various characters? I feel like Tyrion could be deemed "reddit" but I can't help but love him.
I like women characters.I like women authors.I like women.
>>23301313coomer
>>23301307For the most part Season 1 is a close adaptation on AGoT but ACoK onwards there are some notable plotline differences or omissions so you're in for a treat. Once you get to AFfC and ADwD you'll notice how they didn't even try to adapt them at that point and the show slowly devolves into mediocre to bad fan fiction. I'm right there with you in enjoying Tyrion (up until Dance when his POVs can drag a bit) and frankly all three of the Lannister siblings are some of George's best POVs to follow.
>>23301345And proud of it!
>>23300366>>23300466Based. Loved 13 1/2 Lives of Captain Bluebear and will read Rumo's Adventures this year. Which book got the feature length cartoon, anon?
>>23300815RuneScape has multiple quests that involve catching rats with cats, and you can use your cat to just catch rats all day; the best quest in the game is called Ratcatchers. You also unlock a ratcatching minigame vs other players called the Rat Pits.
>>23301296It's much more likely that I'll stop posting about the books I read before I read the next book. The difference is the former will eventually happen but the latter may not. I'll probably post 2 more this month in these threads. I'd be surprised if it was more than that.
ive been reading malazan for the past six straight months without touching anything else and im still not donethat said, this series is great. ive never really been so engrossed in a narrative before. sure, its hard to get attached to any one particular character because there are so many, but the little stories in each book really add a lot to the world-shifting narrative that continues from entry to entry. i do feel that, in the later books so far (im on book 8) it does kinda narrow itself down to specific groups and plot threads, so there isn't as much of a feeling of "discovery", but it's still peak. ive never read anything like this before. yeah, i dont think its like, the best shit ive ever read (although book 3 probably does rank among my top 10 novels of all time), but this is absolutely a series that delivers on people seeking dense, extensive content, and, in what seems to be a rare thing in the genre these days, REWARDS deep levels of analysis and even introspection (putting myself in the characters' shoes to figure out their motivations and thought processes, which are usually not really explained in full. you kinda get half context to everything in malazan). most of the shit i read these days basically feels like a movie or anime in novel form, so this is a breath of fresh air. i think im going to read it again once im done.
>>23299412Ishterebinth is the closest thing to a dark souls level I've seen in a book. One of the most incredible sequences in fantasy fiction.
>>23301313Based
>>23301072based response holy shit i kneel
>>23299380>>23299412>>23299428>>23299439>>23299469>>23299529>>23299535>>23300060>>23300568>>23300743>>23300895>>23301231>>23301291>>23301296>>23301307>>23301313>>23301348>>23301614>>23301628Great post anons, very original but just started three body problem and i'm wondering when does it gets good? are the witcher books any good? Only played Witcher 3 and the netflix's series. Just started Eye of the World when does WoT gets good?? Any books like dark souls/berserk/Bloodborne??? Any books like FF/Dragon Quest/Tales of..??!! Any books with N'Wahs?Kvothe is a cuck, will slob Martin ever finish winds of winter??? Abercrombie is Reddit-tier?? Are the dune sequels worth it or should i stop with god emperor of dunc? Should i read the Hyperion sequel???? Did severian fucked his grandma? Is severian a clone? Any books with chinks? Any books like fallout/metro? Any books where the mc gets cucked? Any books where the mc Doesn't get cucked?? Stormlight book 5 when? Will kaladin fuck the fairy?? is the Eisenhorn trilogy a good place to start with W40k??? Or should i watch 4hours YouTube vid about le EPIC lore??? Any books with young petite women? Any books with old thick women? Any books with MANLY men like David Gemmell? Soulcatcher or Lady who is the better waifu? When does malazan gets good?? I didn't finish highschool so i can´t understand Malazan?!?! Any books with chinks??!! When does ASOIAF gets good?!?!? When does Farseer gets good?? When does lightbringer gets good?? When does codex alera gets good???? When does Lord of The Isles gets good?? Dunsany is king or bakker?? Any books with incest?
>>23301641BASED?????
>>23301641 >Any books like dark souls/berserk/Bloodborne?This, but unironically.
>>23301641it never gets good. they're middling at best, the game is better. it stays slow and ponderous throughout. There Is No Mountain. Deltora Quest. everyone who isn't Dunmer is a N'Wah. yes he is. no he won't. yes he is. read the rest of the books written by Frank. give them a try. he didn't, maybe. no. Three Body Problem. Metro. Red Rising. no. November I hear. She'll morph into a wind onahole. yes. lore vids might overwhelm. Second Apocalypse. Also Second Apocalypse. Bran Mak Morn. Soulcatcher. book 1. any retard can read Malazan. Dark Forest. it never will. in middle school. never. never. don't bother. Bakker is good but Dunsany is obviously better. Children of Hurin
>>23300895I sincerely hope this retarded bitch got bullied hard for this, but this video is 2 years old. Why even post it?
help me. my brother likes fantasy and gave me a list of books he wants for his birthday. I can only afford 2 of them. I know fuck all about modern fantasy, which of these is good? The fifth season Jade city Empire of silence The poppy war Rage of dragons Kings of the wyld Shadow of the gods Red sister
>>23301818here's your (you)
>>23301818Can't go wrong with fifth season and Jade city
Ngl shadow of the torturer kinda sucking ass, fucking boring so far. I'm more than halfway through.Idk, it feels like a failure of the author but it's probably just the publisher fucking it up by even splitting his book up to begin with. This isn't a book, this is a chapter of a book or something.
>>23301348>all three of the Lannister siblingsAh, neat. Didn't look too far ahead, so I didn't know Cersei and Jaime get POVs as well.Honestly, even watching S1 again as I go back through the book, almost everything they change or add feels like it's for the worse to me.
>>23301692Moorcock for DaS/Berserk.
>>23301941It's the same shit as reading Fellowship of the Ring and being mad that it feels like 1/3 a story. Except SotT is 1/4 a story.
>>23302040Trilogies, quadrilogies, series in general... what a fucking waste of time. Hooray, I can read a bunch of mediocre books which, when put together, barely even come out has being half as good as the average standalone. Why do so many people choose to suffer and read thousands upon thousands of pages of drawn out garbage over finely distilled, perfected standalones? I hate this market and I hate the gullible retards who buy into trilogy marketing so easily.
>>23302040If I ever go to read LOTR and nothing happens for 150 pages and it's not even an enjoyable nothing (impossible?) then yeah I'd be mad and drop it like I just dropped Gene Wolfe.I think it's a failure on his part actually, to write 150 pages worth of nothing and it not have any near term driving force for the reader to continue is a skill issue.Atleast when he was talking to thecyla or whatever in the guild there was contention and when he was going to go with the performing troop with the giant but then it just keeps going ahhh wacky lolll next thinggg but it's never anything, it's all worthless and pointless. Oh I got a challenge now hahaha a bean got put into my hand hahaha okay now I'm in a garden, who fucking cares that's not how you write a story. This is actually how I imagine it would be forcing gpt 3.5 to write a book.
>>23301358none of the books, as i said. Captain Bluebear started out as a character on German children's tv, where he'd tell (likely made up) crazy stories from his seafaring past to his grandkids. based off this they made a movie which came out in 99.the creator of the character, Walter Moers, at some point decided to make him the protagonist of a fantasy novel that tells us of his early years , which came out in 99 as well (to massive success, it reached the top of the best seller lists) and kept on making books in the setting. as mentioned before, these different media are linked by hardly anything except the main character.
>>23301484True. But now you got me thinking, I'd say Cil-Aujas was more like a Dark Souls dungeon - even had a boss at the end. Though as I was reading Judging Eye, the Cil-Aujas sequence was just a copy-pasted Moria sequence, almost beat-for-beat. Still enjoyed it.
>>23302164The thing I liked about Cil-Aujas is that it was an obviously deliberate homage to Moria, but it was also unique and rather different.
>>23302077Oh, I see your issue then. You expected a grand, sweeping epic, but BotNS is mostly Severian wandering about and doing side quests.
>>23301818Kings of the Wyld is great. Sons of the Black Sword is also awesome.
What's the horniest sci-fi?
>>23301092why are horror books so fucking trash? picrel is also terrible>>23302414peter watts' books are full of sex and degenerates from rapists to pedos
>>23299529>>23299560>>23300060Emotionally compromised breeders detected.
>>23301941It gets better after the banishment. And even the first boring parts cease to become dull when you pierce through the surface layer later and understand what was really going on.
>>23302136Technically there was like a book about this movie >I'm not sure if I still have itBut it is obviously made for children, instead of names illustrations of the characters heads are next to their lines and there are some full page illustration taken from the movieIt also reads more like a script than a book>Character directions, stage set, and so onActually written more like a stage play
>>23302194I don't want Severian to save the world, I'm quite quite happy for him to just wander around but you can't just teehee so random between ideas. I loved Jack Vances dying earth but this isn't remotely close in feeling. If it was a Vance book, Severian would have performed for the antuarchs or whatever with the doctor and the giant and found out thecyla is still alive or something interesting. >>23302758Is there really a secondary layer to the first 150 pages? The only thing so far I thought was clever was the painting of the man in armor on a deserted land with a pole and cloth (Pic related).
>>23302839There is not only the second layer, but the third and the fourth. Depends on how carefully you read further on. But even you didn’t read warily, most things are laid out plainly in Urth. Everything is interlinked.
>>23302857No I'm asking for examples within the first 150 pages. I get the dumb concept that it's all interlinked and the time travel stuff or whatever but that's all literally worthless if the book sucks and can't keep somebody entertained for 150 pages.
>>23302888I thought it was entertaining. There's a point to it being slow and methodical, he's an apprentice, level 1 if you will, and you see what forms him before he ever leaves the Citadel, which may not seem like much without future context but it's clear that the events are unusual circumstances and would seemingly form a certain psychology. And they do. Yet they don't. It's the only time you see his interior world, of formation and it's done very well. I'm not going to call you a retard, but this aspect of the novel isn't really a part of the kind of epic fantasy it vaguely resembles and is more the realm of a delicate realist bildungsroman shown through a deeply symbolic lens. It's all setting up how he fucks up, you already know he's going to, maybe you missed that part and weren't looking for how it relates to the critical event with Thecla.
>>23302888I can give you the examples, but you will be devoid of enjoyment to a certain degree later on. Do you really want that?
>reading through Mad Ship>satrap has serrilla corrected for being too uppity Based
>>23303044woman author moment
>>23301092Honestly, I'm still figuring it out, I'm not too well-read. I could tell you that I found Dracula pretty dry and flowery despite the arc with the first one getting vampired being good, and I find historical settings interesting. Aside from that, I'd probably avoid anything super gay, but I'm open. Probably would prefer stuff that heats up within 100 pages (I remember Salem's lot being somewhat too slow-burning for me).I'm thinking of giving The Exorcist a try, thoughts?Currently a few pages into this, and seem quite fun so far.>>23302474You're not a fan of any horror at all?
>>23303326open to whatever*
>>23302474Peter Watts books never struck me as especially horny.
>>23303277I'm not sure why it's progressive for women to write those situtions all the timeRest of liveship traders has been kind of mediocre so far
>>23302136Interesting. I didn't know it started with the cartoon
>>23299380This but unironically. Bonus points if its an actual novel and not just a literary vehicle for smut.
>>23300715I'm not the target audience of this post but the lack of wonder and mysticism in lots of sci-fi is precisely why I basically never read it. I liked Dune because it was like sci-fi but also solidly fantasy (imo). Speaking of, anyone wanna recommend other books which at like sci-fi fantasy at the same time? I'd be willing to get into that as a genre.
>>23301092I find this to be a great little anthology. personally, I think horror works well within the short story/ novella format. anything longer, just overstays it's welcome>>23303326you should check out house of the borderland. really trippy stuffby the way, any speculative fiction involving incest between a mother and son?
>>23300990I'm black but I think you're not completely baseless.
I FUCK SRANC
>>23302968If the book is truly worth it, then I am fine with some of being spoiled. I want to like the book but I've hit a brickwall with it so far.I already know he sends the book back through a wormhole etcI'm fine with doing more personal work to understand the book, If the layers were just more elucidated to me at this point to convince me they exist and are worth it. >>23302922Maybe my expectations were wrong for this book, maybe I have to force myself to accept it will make sense by the time in 500 pages in, I'm not scared of delayed gratification but it seems so much further and I don't want to be scammed into finishing it and still dislike it for the same reasons I want to stop it now.
>>23299375Rate my cities
>>23303509not that anon, here's some of my thoughts from when I read the first book for the first time. It covers the entire book as it goes. I doubt that I saw all that much overall and of course it's only some things.https://docs.google.com/document/d/1DzMXTXd8NXBsiIsYKg4S-47RkiUE3_xU6DR4tKYAgeo
>>23303510>arthoe
>>23303510>Nesush>girl lake>Cushaend>lake altarAre these part of the same kingdom?
>>23303521You misread it, it's Athoe.The fun thing is that it dismissive of "Fathkae", but I thought it was too wordy.
I just finished the Mars trilogy by Kim Stanley Robinson. I can't believe how good the whole thing is - the characters, the science, the prose. Can't wait to read the whole thing again in a few years.
>>23303401>Speaking of, anyone wanna recommend other books which at like sci-fi fantasy at the same time? I'd be willing to get into that as a genre.I would recommend both Lord of Light and Jack of Shadows by Roger Zelazny.
>>23303530Yes, but they are different diminutives.girl = nestrulake = ecushoaltar = aendSo, Nesush is diminutive of "Nestruecusho" and Cushaend of "Ecushoaend".Something I found is that humans are very lazy and tend to shorten things out, so it only makes sense long place names would get shortened over centuries.
>>23303550Why aren't you posting this in >>23275199
Any stories similar to the Second Apocalypse by Bakker?In that (series ending spoilers) the main character ends up fucking up massively at some point / at the end and essentially loseseven better if the story continues on from there and deals with the fallout.It doesn't have to be anywhere near as bleak or well written or psuedo-philosophical, just the general story premise.
>>23303550I see, thanks for the answer. Fodena is my favourite, by the way.
>Bakker was the first person to write a series where the main character ends up fucking up massively at some point / at the end and essentially loseswew lads
>>23303588Not even remotely what I said you.I said I'm curious what other stories follow that same route. Could be from before Bakker wrote Second Apoc. Could be from after. Could be from before Bakker was even born for all I care. I just want more of that style.If you weren't such a pretentious loser you would have picked up on that, but instead you see Bakker and immediately have to go sperg mode.
>>23303565I guess I could
>>23301313real
>>23303510what program are you using to world build?
>>23303740what do you mean?
>>23303745I'm guessing those are cities you came up with? I've been looking for a place to organize my worldbuilding and the interface of your pic looks pleasing and well organized. Unless you're using excel or something like that
>>23300466But we have to make clear that the kids series is kinda non canon. Or lets say it can be after the book but it doesnt need to be connected.And the movie is more related to the kids series.>Der BücherdracheIt kinda is more of an intermission story than in the Mythenmetz cycle.
>>23303751yes, it's literally is just Excel
>>23300851I never watched the musical, but everyone said it was good. And sure a movie would really work. Especially Rumo.>Prinzessin InsomniaIt is really good but i heard the audio version. And pic related his his next book.
>>23301039Indeed it is separate created stuff but still the kids series can be after 13 1/2.
>>23301641>>23301696So y'all gone fuck or...? I kid. The chemistry started strong but you guys are clearly just friends (disappointing).
>>23302136Well explained anon.
>>23302066You're viewpoint is perhaps unrefined but it's got solid fundamentals
>>23303849And before Moers wrote Der Bücherdrache the publisher said it would be The Castle of the Dreaming Books.
>>23303549Thanks! Audible has the former but not the latter so I added just the one to my audible library (it's free). I'll give it a listen some time soon
>post books with atmosphere like this https://youtu.be/FU_yNE2MMOU
I'm enjoying this way more than I expected to. Is he talking about Guy Davenport here or a different one?>What you have here, he says, is a quiddity trap.>Quiddity, the whatness of an object, is the essential, the nature of a thing as an instance of its class. Haccaeity, the thisness of an object, is the existential, the nature of a thing as construct of quirks defying reduction to quiddity. In the era of Davenport, the deluge of machined objects made for an angst of drowning. Without the notion of projectivity, where was the haccaeity of factoried chow and togs, flatpack fittings and gimcrack commodities? Where even the thisness in a pleasure become parlance, formulated for replication as geekware loaded in the meat machines? In the Society of the Spectacle, as she herself has lived the fallout of, post-modernity, post-singularity, even a human seemed all quiddity, quirks merely the unique settings of shared attributes. Skinsacks with a tuple of signifiers inside that could be scanned into a simulacrum—geist as soul, Ana would say, for those who scorned superstition but could not surrender it.>Davenport broached a new paradigm in abolition of quiddity, his supposition: that in every corral of objects abstractable to a class by common attributes and behaviours, every object in that corral is not merely distinct in its unique mix of attribute settings but cannot be fully described without recourse to attributes inapplicable to all others of its class.>Not only is this electron not equal to that electron, but it is not equivalent.I get the gist otherwise but wanted to be sure.
>lastCity of Glass; Call of the Arcade; Call of the Kappa; Horror's Call (the book itself); Call of the Crocodile>currentAn /x/-y nonfiction titled Stalking the Wild Pendulum and >nextProbably more of this silly shit I've picked up--I'm thinking Call of the Cherokee next.
Any good fantasy book with a monster as the protagonist? (no gay ass vampire or werewolf)
>>23304329reverend insanity
>>23304329Will a gay ass victim of Hercules with red wings on a red island do?
>>23304329What do you mean by monster? Does it have to be "evil" (like an orc, goblin, etc) or just a fantasy creature in general? Rumo & His Miraculous Adventures might fit the bill pretty well. Captain Bluebear might also fill that bill if you don't mind your "monster" being more benign. Aside from that, I'm having a hard time coming up with some fantasy I've read that features a monster as a protagonist.
>>23303833Looks nice. Might consider it. A while back I was looking for a wikipedia type of interface I could use for my world but I didn't have any luck
>>23304404Obsidian.
>>23299755Ross Macdonald’s Lew Archer books—especially the later ones.
>>23304404There is NPM library that mimicks wikipedia.After you installed it you have to create an account, but after that it's like Wikipedia.Thought you would have to install a lot dependencies.
>>23303861how long has it been now since the initial planned release, over ten years easily.by now Castle of Dreaming Books is shaping up to be the german Winds Of Winter. Well at least Moers releses other books in the meantime
>>23304512I looked it up, 2011 it was announced. And it really became Winds of Winter.
Got these today at Library sale today. Insane seeing Past Master in the wild. Also the Gene Wolfe is signed.What should I read first?
>>23304885the traveler in black looks cool, read that
>>23304404QuollWriter.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JIBO1lVd6TQ
My series seems like a fantasy but it's actually a sci-fi
My series seems like a sci-fi but it's actually a fantasy
My series seems like a fantasy and it is, but it's told by a narrator living in a sci-fi world.
>>23305065damn, AI video is incredible
>>23299375Wheel of Time fans, how far does one need to read into the series before they fully decide if it's for them? I get conflicting answers. Some say the first two books, others say the first three, and yet others say the first four.
My standalone is metaphysical in nature and about boys holding hands so I'm going to publish it in the SFF ghetto to make money.
>>23305093>Tags: Harem
>>23305093>called wheel of time>the plot isn't a continous timeloop>you can't start from the exact middle of the series to unravel its mysteries
>>23305043Hack
>>23305108what's the literary equivalent of KINO
>>23305148It's secretly a companion piece to a story that seems like a Sci-Fi but is actually fantasy
>>23305093What kind of fucking retard would suggest you need to read 3500 pages of something before deciding if you like it enough to continue?
I was in middle school when i first read the Rithmatist and now im graduating university. still waiting for book 2.
>>23305168I hope you realize the in the State of the Sanderson 2023 he wrote:WARBREAKER/RITHMATISTNo movement. (Remember that part about me only being able to do so much?) Someday.Which probably means it's never going to come out.
>it's a the party travels in leagues and I still don't know how long that is episode
>>23305211>It's a brag about my ignorance and laziness episode because I refuse to spend a few seconds to find out
>>23305227>it's a I actually have the idea that a league is about three miles but I've only put it together from context clues in the handful of fantasy novels I've read that uses leagues but I've never actually looked it up myself and I'm just playing up my laziness on the interent for attention episode
>>23305246>It's an anon gets embarrassed that his silly joke got called out and quickly looks up the definition of league and then makes up some nonsense about already putting the exact distance together from context clues as if that makes any sense episode
>>23305211>>23305227>>23305246>>23305368must we seethe?
>>23305093The problem is that the first 3 books are so different than the rest, it's kind of hard to say. There's an awesome climax in book 6 but again, if you're forcing yourself to get there then it's up to you to decide whether it's worth it.But imo just take the series at face value. Keep on reading and if it's not for you at a certain point, it's not for you. For me, read the first two books and if you enjoy those, keep on going.
>>23305368holy autism
>>23303326>You're not a fan of any horror at all?obviously i like classics like lovecraft and other short story writers like barkerbut every major horror novel i've attempted to read is just the same amount of substance as any of those short stories with about 95% tacked-on filler drama garbage
>>23305560mo words mo problems
>>23304885Pavane
>>23305211>>23305227>>23305246>it's a no idea how much a league or a mile is so I assume it's quite a lot episode
>>23299375Has anyone read pic related?It's by an autistic youtuber, and many reviewers seem to think it's quite bad.
>>23305794Their biggest problem with it is the MC is a rapist
>>23305819I picked up a free book and the start was poor mc hes a leper oh he got transported into a fantasy world so he thinks hes dreaming time to rape a 15 year old. No wonder it was free. He was forgiven because hes the chosen one and I stopped reading there at page like 40 or something
>>23305819picked up
any cool paladin books? Ideally more nuanced than dnd sloppa>>23306037lord fouls bane right? the only other thing I read by rhe author had a lot of rape as well
>>23306037That's the Chronicles of Thomas Covenant, possibly the worst book I've ever read. It sucked and I'm surprised it was even published.
>>23305819>what if Genghis Khan met 17 AgainRegardless I gave it a try, he uses word "squalor" twice in the the first page, which is impressive.Story begins with 200-word long infodump disguised as a suicide note.Is pic related how a depressed 50-year-old would write?
>>23306084Historical paladins weren't anything like the D&D sort. Perhaps you should look for the Knights Templar or Rosicrucianism.
>>23306097I have a natural aversion to books written in first-person POV because so many first-time novels are written with that POV and most of the time they're bad
>>23299490Picrel would do it. Warning, similar plot flow to a Salvia trip.
>>23306087Instantly recognized the cover, The reviews just say he raped a "woman" so I guess I just misremembered after a decade and her actions made me think she was younger than she was, that or she had a daughter and I misremembered the daughter in her place or something. People are definitely split on the books either its a great book about learning to be better or its a trash protagonist who starts out by raping people. Definitely in the second category
>>23306084I'll further explicate. Your problem is one of semantics. What is a paladin to you? A divinely empowered warrior who has sworn oaths to their God? Ok, so what about the Knights Radiant in The Stormlight Archive? Are they paladins or not? I haven't read it, but what about Malazan? What you're asking for requires at least one god, if not a pantheon, and warriors who draw power from them. They aren't going to be called paladins. Maybe there's something out there based on mythology with divine champions. If they don't have powers, then there's probably historical fiction that works.
I know it's full of quips and the literary equivalent to a big mac, but I don't care, I still liked it. Good "easy read" to break up heavier stuff.
>>23306167Fuck forgot pic
I hate imperial units so goddamn much it makes my blood boil. I won't wanna do fucking math to know what the fuck these fucking units mean >this room is big, around 20 by 20 feetFuck you
I hate standard units so goddamn much it makes my blood boil. I won't wanna do fucking math to know what the fuck these units mean>this room is big. around 6.096 by 6.096 metersFuck you
>>23306135I have the same aversion but it's because of zeleznys Amber
Bro, this is so cringe. How can people stomach this book?The only "good" part about this book is Kalladin and we spent half of the book on other people. And is that a quirky civilization?
>>23304329Grendel by John Gardner
>>23306405I ignore the girl part its worthless in this and the next book the only part that matters is the place at war with the bug people. Im sure it will matter in the third book, at which point Ill go read to get the context but its 100% useless extra worldbuilding. Hell the first 2 books were entirely world building it feels like the third book is the real start but when I read the first 2 the 3&4 hadnt been out so I was stuck with what I had.
Dunno if the anon is around who recommended The Tainted Cup by Robert Jackson Bennett, but if so: thanks. Really good book, even if the ending is wrapped a little too simply.
What makes a good magic system in a book, in your opinion
>>23306678Technically they were both what they read rather than recommendedations.Apr 3 https://warosu.org/lit/thread/23247660#p23250321Apr 11https://warosu.org/lit/thread/23277165#p23278906And this the 2nd anon to post this:Apr 10https://warosu.org/lit/thread/23267465#p23274354
what series should I start to forget about my depressing futile life?
>>23306766clearly you framed your life wrong, the whole point of life is to live there is literally nothing futile about it so how about you try living for a bit and maybe when you realize its not futile it wont be so depressing
>>23306742The last of these was mine. But yeah, I agree with the reviewfag. Maybe not quite as glowingly, but still, I think this is pretty great.
>>23306794Without going into too many details, Ive tried to live but major milestones always ellude my grasp, relationships, career etc. Everyone I know has a "life" and I'm just barely holding on.I want a better distraction to try and keep me going
>>23306766I wish I could read so slowly that one mere series would be enough to escape into for the remainder of my days.
Still reading Coiling Dragon but it's below fanfiction-tier. Ironic because of how many stories (Cradle, for example) are essentially fanfics of it.
>>23306832If you continue to compare yourself to other people you will never be happy. There's always someone out there with more than you and thus feelings of inadequacy will forever plague you until the ego is finally put in check. Be grateful for what you have instead of miserable over what you don't. Focus entirely on the positive aspects of your life and disregard the negative entirely.Being stressed, angry, anxious, ruminating, etc has never accomplished anything, all decisions made when in these states never help and even wind up making things worse. Feeling like this is pointless. Mastering control over your thoughts is an extremely important skill to have. Despite the hipsters cringing in disgust I would recommend reading Meditations by Marcus Aurelius, it was genuinely very helpful to me.
>>23306949I appreciate the advice and time you took to write something so considerate; just often feel anytime i make any advance in the world something has to come by and knock be back to square one
>>23306929VIBRATE THE SWORD, LINLEY
>>23306929Read Martial World. It is better than Coiling Dragon
>>23303432I agree for the most part, some novels are well done in their length and don't lose pace, most fall short though (heres looking at you S King)
Community Little Library had these. Guess it's about time I see what all the fuss is about
>>23303401Most Jack Vance's scifi works have a decent dose of fantasy. I'd try Eyes of the Overworld
>>23301818If I had to pick two series I'd go with Jade City and Shadow of the Gods. They're some of the best out there.
>>23304329>(no gay ass vampire or werewolf)>vague request but specific rejectionI can sorta determine what kind of person you are by this post alone.
>>23305043Damn, if it were the other way around I'd be interested>>23305065Don't be shy, link that bitch
>>23306766
>>23308279remember that this is your competition if you want to write
I've been so obsessed with writing a fantasy story that emulates the feeling of exploring in some of my favorite games (Arx Fatalis, Thief, Skyrim) that I completely forgot to include characters or like, basic themes.
Reading pic related because I heard it influences book of the new sun… not really seeing how
>>23307790The third book was the weakest imo but the first one is honestly awesome. I’ve enjoyed the series a great deal but I’m not a hardcore lit fag
>>23308533this is my problem as a DM I'm used to players providing all the characters and motivation
Any good fantasy books with more well written dialogue instead of the author self fellating his "literary skill" describing how the water in a fucking puddle wavered in the wind forming patterns resembling the scrotal sacs of the great beasts of whogivesashit?
>>23308876it's weird because the best selling fantasy authors are Stephen King, Dean Koontz, and of course Rowling but they don't get much discussion in sff
>>23300437http://www.pofoz.com/magazines/true-crime/titles/startling-detective/index.html
>>23303401>Speaking of, anyone wanna recommend other books which at like sci-fi fantasy at the same time? I'd be willing to get into that as a genre.The Riftwar Cycle by Feist is Sci-Fi Fantasy. It leans more into the fantasy part though.
Apparently Neil Gaiman revealed last month that he has autism.https://www.tumblr.com/neil-gaiman/744334382867890176/thoughts-on-autism
>>23299375Has anyone read some of the Hugo shit?https://www.thehugoawards.org/hugo-history/2024-hugo-awards/>Best NovelThe Adventures of Amina al-Sirafi by Shannon Chakraborty (Harper Voyager, Harper Voyager UK)The Saint of Bright Doors by Vajra Chandrasekera (Tordotcom)Some Desperate Glory by Emily Tesh (Tordotcom, Orbit UK)Starter Villain by John Scalzi (Tor, Tor UK)Translation State by Ann Leckie (Orbit US, Orbit UK)Witch King by Martha Wells (Tordotcom)>Best Novella“Life Does Not Allow Us to Meet”, He Xi / 人生不相见, 何夕, translated by Alex Woodend (Adventures in Space: New Short stories by Chinese & English Science Fiction Writers)Mammoths at the Gates by Nghi Vo (Tordotcom)The Mimicking of Known Successes by Malka Older (Tordotcom)Rose/House by Arkady Martine (Subterranean)“Seeds of Mercury”, Wang Jinkang / 水星播种, 王晋康, translated by Alex Woodend (Adventures in Space: New Short stories by Chinese & English Science Fiction Writers)Thornhedge by T. Kingfisher (Tor, Titan UK)
>>23309137I've read Starter Villain. It's a reddit post in a book, a TVTropes listicle rattled off in a bored monotone, with an abrupt ending that makes you wonder what the entire point of it all was. At no point is there tension and the plot device with which the book is finished is introduced only five minutes before the ending actually occurs.Despite all that, I think it's the only book on the list that the voters have actually read, because the point isn't really to read the books, it's to show that these are the kind of books you'd read and isn't it great that you're consulting such diverse perspectives? Look, this one's written by Asians, the minority du jour.
>>23309264Watch out, anon. You'll rile up the newfag who believes nepotism diversity awards are as genuine as normal nonbiased awards, and he'll shit up the entire thread about it.
>>23308500It's a progression fantasy with good moral fundamentals and a mostly optimistic, glass half-full outlook. Remember that competition is just a head game, a phantasmal hang-up: there is truly no such thing. It's only you doing what you're adequate or better to do or otherwise. Comparison is how greedy, unskillful men keep themselves wrongly-satisfied or wrong-unsatisfied.
>>23306678I'm sort of interested in this one, but I really hated the end of his previous series compared to the previous two books and I got annoyed when I saw that it had yet an lgbt tag on it after that series decided to do a lesbian relationship too. Is it really worth it? >>23306168I liked it too and it's certainly a better paced read than his previous works tended to be. I think I liked the second book in the series the most. The Folding Knife is probably still my favorite from Parker.
>>23309452>I'm sort of interested in this one, but I really hated the end of his previous series compared to the previous two books and I got annoyed when I saw that it had yet an lgbt tag on it after that series decided to do a lesbian relationship too. Is it really worth it?Main character's bisexual. He gets horny for an biochemically-enhanced female pleasure dancer and he winds up banging a dude in the end, though it's only a few pages and it's unclear if that'll go anywhere in the books after this.It was minor and I don't really care one way or another unless the author starts sucking his own dick for how woke it all is. There's also a lesbian in another part, where the LGBT stuff isn't really focused on or anything. That's as far as I recall it going.My problem with the ending was, as I'd said, that it's a little too neat. It turns out that the murders are a vengeance plot against a noble clan's local head. The main character's boss rebukes one of the murderers for not simply waiting to see that justice was delivered by the Imperial police, but the murderer had been Imperial police himself and presumed (reasonably) that nothing was going to happen, because nothing had ever happened before. He couldn't know that not-Nero Wolfe had already been dispatched and was trying to find a reason to punish the nobles, nor that it'd actually achieve anything as far-reaching as suddenly legally exploding their entire clan, and you'd expect a lot more fallout than is actually shown in the book..But I want to be clear, I think it's a really good book. The setting's interesting, the mystery's compelling, the protagonist is a little uptight with a secret or two but rather competent. Writing's good but there's no memorable passages that make me go "wow" or "damn I wish I could write like that", but then again I can't really recall the last time a recent book had me feeling like that. On the other hand, I felt a desire to write a review and I don't usually do that.
>>23309483He's not bisexual. He talks about how unnatural it is that he feels anything for females during the biochemical scene. Before that they say he's the best possible to resist because of his lack of emotions and being gay. In the scenes even before that he talks his male "roommate" he had before. In other scenes trying to show off women he has no interest.
Sixteen Ways to Defend a Walled City>discribe a ethnic group of people as blue skinned>mention it multiple times all over the book>make that a main part of tension with others>base slurs and stuff around itA Practical Guide to Conquering the World>keep calling them blue skinned>MC gets insulted as blue skinned>now mention that the MC is brown>30 pages later he is now blackwtf?
>>23309498Oh. Yeah, my mistake, then.
>>23309483You're not really selling me on it, but thanks for being honest.
>>23309528nta, but if you need to be sold on something you probably shouldn't read it anyway
>>23306737>What makes a good magic system in a book, in your opinionIf it sounds like it would make a fun build autism game.
I don't like overpowered protagonists. I want something where the main character is inherently flawed, has some victories but over all fairly believable.
>>23309546Most likely, but when you've exhausted all of the obvious options, you need to see if it's worth going after the ones that you have limited hang ups about.
>>23309713inb4 butthurt redditfags they can't handle their protags having any flaws or comeuppance
How would you avoid Chun the Unavoidable?
>>23309713would you want one in which the MC is a whiny bitch and completely unlikeable being chewed on by the universe for merely existing?
Is John Carter of Mars worth reading?
>>23309848Not a whiny bitch. Just someone who has limitations and gets by with their meager abilities. They work hard, but sometimes the world has other ideas for them. Not looking for a savior or anything
>>23308565Are you pretending to be retarded?
>>23309852It would be a shame if Disney made a sexless version of this
>>23309903haven't they done that already?
Do any of the books in Le Guin's Hainish cycle focus on the Hainish people specifically? The small glimpse you get in the Dispossessed was intriguing.
>>23307790>author's name takes 1/2 of coverThink that's really desperate, even Stephen King name tends to take only 1/3 of the cover.
>>23310008No, there's not a focus on the Hainish people in anything she ever wrote. There were almost different proposed names other than Hainish. There's nothing official and Le Guin never supported one. It's all marketing.
Has anyone seen or heard about the status of this man?
I finished The Anomaly recently. Started it because of Hideo Kojima's recommendation. I can see why he liked it, it creates disassociation in the reader. The writing itself is poor so I didn't enjoy it. But the more interesting question for me is, did the author intend this? Did he intend to write a good book, fucked it, and managed to stumble into this mental drug? Or did he intend the mental effect and just said fuck it to the actual writing part?
>>23310279I think I met him in a bar and he asked me to fuck his wife or something.
>>23306832People keep replying 'stop comparing yourself' ignoring that you're probably miserable because of material conditions, like lack of good food and sex.Unfortunately since these are widely demanded, they're tight marketplaces, hard to find shortcuts.I'm a big fan of salads because they provide lots of variety between bite and 90% of restaurants don't have access to special lettuce or toppings any different from the grocery store.You could sign up for pee411 and get blonde slas for $400 an hour. Or latinas on seeking as sugar babies, 400 or better raw ~3 hours.Good luck finding ways to make money on the side though.If you satisfy these drives, anything you read will be more interesting because you won't have your body nagging that there are more urgent things to do.
>>23309938Yeah. They did.
>>23309888Is the Japanese version with pictures?
>mfw I see a thread has gone 277 replies without Harlan Ellison Holy smokes, I've read a ton of sci Fi and somehow never read this. There's a greatest hits collection of his short stories and hoo-weee is it incredible. It is PKD squared, and once removed. Totally self aware, the device is lots of meta commentary from the author but it is included seamlessly. I am blown away /lit/, you need this book in your life.
>>23309483Damn I was hoping he and the detective lady would bang :(
>>23311331someone mentioned it like two threads ago
Any retro-futuristic recs that have Art Deco aesthetics? 20s-40s themed, but not in decay ala Bioshock.
>>23311408Jules verne but it's kind of YA stuff. It's worth reading
>>23299375anyone here read the nevernight series? what are your thoughts?
>>23309813More like Chud the Unavoidable
>>23311431>Chud the Unavoidablesounds based
>>23311408Ayn Rand and Henry Miller.
anyone have a recommendation for a series with a female mc that's dressed like red sonja?
>>23300851God you have no idea how long I've wanted a Bluebear or Rumo movie. Hell, Bluebear would work amazingly as a 13 episode miniseries. I'm sure you could cover each life in around 45 minutes. You might even be able to combine a few of them, like the first two and the last two. Given it's epic scope Rumo would also be better as a series but I'd still take a movie. Every time I reread it I'm struck by how much violence there is compared to Bluebear, there's at least a few fighting scenes that would be really cool animated. I was doing some rough blocking of the massacre on roaming rock in my head and getting really excited, my roommate and I are considering making a summer project out of storyboarding the whole novel.
So how cringe is the Broken Empire series and Mark Lawrence in general? Is this worth a shot at all?
>>23311926The Hel trilogy by Asa Drake aka C. Dean Andersson.Also, Jirel of Joiry was recommended in the last thread if you missed it.
>>23303382>This but unironically. Bonus points if its an actual novel and not just a literary vehicle for smut.Best I've come across is by the author Wyvr at the link below. Looks like you'll have to be logged in to see it. Well written and there's a lot more to it than just gay dragon sex. The story series is called "The Bound Ones".https://www.sofurry.com/browse/folder/stories?by=23630&folder=14261
when do you when a book is worth reading?
>>23311408"By Light Alone" by Adam Roberts
>>23299375can you explain literally every Science Fiction & Fantasy book with this template? swap Esoteric Magic System with Esoteric Tech System for sci-fi
>>23312429Step 4 should be: Characters:- Self-insert hero- Hard to get Hot Girl- Slightly Less Hot but needier girl
>>23311926Any female mc can dress like that if you use your imagination and ignore parts where author describe her clothes.
>>23312209>>23311926i used to like warrior women, but political discourse from the last 8 years broke me and now it only makes me laugh
any books with bird women with giant tits?
>tfw you read the last book of spook's apprentice
>tfw you finish the last Discworld book and remember there will never be any new ones
>>23312174Got filtered by the first 3 chapters of book 1, didn't care about it at all.
>>23311926Maybe vernor Vinges 'Tatja Grimms World'
>>23312314These days? Think "Nice. My freetime for the next month or so is going to be full." These days I can hardly binge read/listen but I do get to enjoy comfy, leisurely moments.
I finished The Broken Sword and quite liked it. I felt Valgard was more interesting than Skafloc even though he failed to change in the end. He also had a really badass death. Skafloc was ok, I guess in the end he was basically an "elfised" human who felt a human emotion (love) once and was completely engulfed by it, without whatever typical human reactions to what was behind it (regret, horror, etc), while Valgard was too torn by his too human emotions that he tried to bury beneath his non-human nature.I also really liked the songs.
>>23312831The songs were surprisingly good I'm reading Moorcock's Elric at the moment and you can really tell where Skafloc's character heavily influenced the creation of Elric
>>23312497holy WOW gimme summa dat :OOO
>>23312893Speaking of which, I also liked Anderson's cursed sword better, although it was probably thanks to the writing style.
There exist those who have a weak opinion and/or sense of self. They may have had their own personal opinion at one time, but if they did it's eroded over time by seeing what they believe to be the popular opinion. Over time they come to believe that was always their opinion. Of course this goes even more so for those who collect arbitrary opinions and make them their own just to have an opinion.
>>23311999thatd be amazing to see the whole thing storyboarded! please do. aside from the occasional piece of fanart and some comic version of one scene or chapter that some finnish guy made years ago (cant seem to find that one anymore), ive never seen Rumo turned into anything of the sort.as for a movie, series etcetera. I agree with the various formats and have had similar ideas before. the first two lives could easily be a single episode, and atlantis would make for two. Rumo would do well both as a series or as a duology (?) of movies. I hope that when it finally is made one day, we're safely past the era of movie adaptions completely butchering the source material.one thing ive been thinking though: do you think the movie/series should have a narrator/voiceover? the way the books are written I struggle to imagine it without one.also check out this statue fanart i stumbled upon. it's supposed to be rumo but I find he looks a bit weird, kinda like something you'd encounter in a fromsoft game
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>>23313233it will live on, in our dreams...
>>23305093from a hater not a fan. I mean ultimately you can always drop the series later on if it starts to go sour on you but I would say a reader gave it a fair shake after book 2. Yes, the series still changes significantly from there, going from adventure to standing in room talking politics but you can still get the gist of what kind of story it is and how Jordan writes it, how characters interact or plots develop and resolve. In other words, by that time, you can discern the author is a total HACK.
>>23313195It's criminal how little art there is yeah. I wonder if there's more if you know German and are willing to dig through forums or something. There's that one artist who has done some pixel and pencil art of rumo that I'm sure you've seen but that's about it...>AtlantisYeah I was thinking that, too. I'm too lazy to dig the book out, isn't his life as a congladiator a separate life? That would be an easy split for Atlantis if so. >RumoOh shit yeah a duology would absolutely work. I wasn't even thinking how it's already split pretty neatly in two. And yeah I'm not sure how much I would trust someone like N*tflix butchering it somehow. Me and my roommate are kinda hoping AI is advanced enough in two years that we could just make it ourselves. He's an artist so he could do all the designs and maybe keyframes so it would still have a strong sense of style, the AI would do all the grunt animation work. Who knows.>NarratorBluebear would work for his movie I think. I'm not sure how you'd work in the encyclopedia entries without one, Bluebear is heavily indebted to this worldbuilding and I'm not sure you could get that across any other way.I could see nightingale as the narrator for Rumo, considering the book is framed with his drawer machine thing. But Rumo is less reliant on exposition so I'm sure you could also get away without one.Also that statue is wack. I guess it technically works, but his snout is too dull. From the one drawing we get of him he looks more like a husky than the hound look he's got here. Other than that though I like how vaguely grotesque it is, that fits with Moers's style.
>>23312990>>23312831Now you are making want to reread it. Great example of how book series have way too much unneeded padding and only exist for $$$Make fantasy standalone again
>>23313508I am a native german speaker actually, so yeah.I probably could find a bit more art if I knew how and where to search, but I still get the feeling there's less than one would hope considering Moers hits the tops of the bestseller lists with pretty much every release here. and search engines have become crap.As for forums, they really arent my domain. and I bet if you did and found stuff from around the time of the original releases, a lot of it would be the dreaded "unlock your photobucket account" type of images that litter old forums.just now i thought to check fuckin furaffinity because why not, lo and behold theres fanart there I havent seen yet. not much tho. among them this relatively decent rala piece, and this strange and utterly cursed scribble www.furaffinity.net/view/52075896/ . and this cool piece inspired by the city of dreaming books www.furaffinity.net/view/52144267/ .a couple more images I cant see because they require an account (rated mature or adult). so perhaps my whole sentence about "certain communities dont seem to be aware of rumo yet" isnt as true as i thought.I have my doubts about AI going that far in just two years, but at some point it's probably gonna be possible or at least able to strongly supplement regular animation software.
>>23310279>>23310279Unironically, is there any point in reading his books? I read some of his blog and he just seems to be a nihilistic depressed weirdo ranting about how he thinks neuroscience is going to destroy meaning. Fine with dark stories, but if it all boils down to "the universe is meaningless, woe to me," then I would rather avoid it.
>>23313950Second Apocalypse is good. Better than any other modern fantasy series.
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>>23312440>write a story about female warrior.>have her be abnormally unattracted to men.>make sure she never fall for or have a relationship with a man.every single time.it's so fucking easy to write and sell female warrior books if you remember they're women and the target audience,the ones who will buy your books,are men.but who the fuck need to pay bills anyway?
>>23314392and the worst part is when feminists pretend warrior women are their thing.fuck off with that bullshit.female warrior were first introduced into the public imagination by men and remain by and for men.
>>23310279he is alive and probably watching the remains of his ontario small town be turned into a feces encrusted wasteland by hordes of pajeet invaders
