>Start with the greekswho did the greeks start with?
Their forebears
>>23312178Homer started with the oral tradition which he codified in a definitive version. The rest of them built upon Homer.
>>23312178Didn't they learn quite a bit from the Babylonians and the Egyptians? And of course they got their alphabet from the Phoenicians.
>>23312178The Egyptians, mostly
>>23312178This has been answered a thousand times, the Egyptians.
>>23312187>>23312196>>23312220>the Egyptians>The Egyptians>the EgyptiansI thought so
>>23312178They mostly started with themselves and their own thoughts and experiences. The Greeks were somewhat aware of other cultures on the region, but they were unburdened by the "anxiety of influence" in a way that's impossible for us - with 4000 years of world culture instantly accessible at all times - to understand. They were innocents, and so their thoughts had a purity which can't be reproduced, only reacted to.Why the Greeks and not someone else? Good question.
>>23312178Atlantis. Atlas invented astrology, the first science.
>>23312178>>23312187>>23312241Egypt, Persia, Sarmatian/Scythians.
>>23312178If Plato is to be believed, the Atlanteans.
>>23312178The Egyptians, Hermeticism.
>>23312178Yakub
Some of their astrological thought came from Assyrians. Overall you probably want to know about Sumer/Akkad region and Egyptians.
>>23312220Who influenced the Egyptians? Who did the Egyptians start with?
>>23312178>who did the greeks start with?They quite literally started with the Phoenician alphabet after the locals had become illiterate.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_Dark_AgesThe ancient greek city states today are mostly a result of Phoenician colonization.
>>23312178other, older, greeks
>>23312178Homer, reality, egypt
>>23312585Homer’s reference to the story of Bellerophontes makes reference to Linear B. It is referred to as “scratchings.”
>>23312585the phoenicians, babylonians, and egyptians became jews in their latter halves of history, ergo the greeks were jews
>>23312241Who did the egyptians start with?
>>23312178>Start with the Neets
>>23312178the minoans
>>23312182>>23312187>>23312196>>23312220>>23312241>>23312253>>23312286>>23312297>>23312298you fool you've forgotten to study the Mesopotamian clay tablets recording copper transactions on the bottom of the Tigris river
>>23312585>Phoenician colonizationMy favorite oxymoron of the day
>>23315054Fucking Ea-Nasir, man!
The same people from whom the greeks learned how to write aka phoenician and fertile cresent niggas.Many Greek and Roman authors mention about the existence of huge phoenician libraries but all that knowledge is lost
>>23315063How so?
>>23312286>ScythiansThey were uncivilized barbarians lol
>>23312178Real life
>>23315352At least they had the Enaries.
Why do you think all early greek thinkers and philosophers were from anatolia? They were influenced by the Phoenicians, Mesopotamians, Egyptians
>>23312178THE BLACKS.
>>23312182lol no
>>23312253This is the correct answer.
>>23312585>The ancient greek city states today are mostly a result of Phoenician colonization.This is about as dumb as ascribing all of the development in Central Italy to Greek culture despite the fact the two had little to do with each other for centuries.
>>23315674That's about as dumb as saying that colonization of America couldn't have happened because the two had little to do with each other for centuries, and ascribing all of America's progress to the local population, rather than the colonizers.The Mineceans were illiterate just like Native Americans. Asiatic colonizers in Greece used a version of the Phoenician alphabet and buried the locals in their mines. They brought their own wives so didn't need them for breeding either.
>>23315674>>23315694Also, both Etruria (modern day Lazio) and Greece were Phoenician colonies, fyi.The correct analysis would be ascribing the development of both to Phoenician colonizers.
>>23315694>The Mineceans were illiterate just like Native AmericansIt's Mycenaeans and they had a script, and so did the Native Americans.>>23315699>Also, both Etruria (modern day Lazio) and Greece were Phoenician colonies, fyi.Etruria is a region and we don't know where they came from, that is if they weren't just locals to the region like almost everyone else in Central Italy was. Don't ascribe it to being Greek and Phoenician despite there being literally 0 evidence for it
>>23315721They became illiterate during the Greek Dark ages, retard. >>23315721>Etruria is a region and we don't know where they came from, that is if they weren't just locals to the region like almost everyone else in Central Italy was. Don't ascribe it to being Greek and Phoenician despite there being literally 0 evidence for itWe do actually, read a book.>Following these earlier adventurers came regular colonists. Both Greece and Etruria were settled from Phoenicia. These colonists partook to some extent of the character of the discoverers and adventurers who had preceded them. They retained their mining character, they spurned agriculture, and preferred buying their supplies of food in Egypt to raising it themselves. They were brave, reckless, adventurous, and cruel; they fought one another with ferocity; they imperilled their lives for the most trifling advantages; they pushed their way into the forests and explored the newly found continent from the Mediterranean to the Alps; they forced the natives into their mines and slew them without remorse. On the other hand, they had their own women with them, which their predecessors had not; they reared legitimate offspring; they built permanent homes, and they introduced the social influence of the mechanic arts and the refining effects of letters.
>>23314698Atlantis
>>23315352And yet the Greeks were intrigued and influenced by them regardless.
>>23315759>We do actually, read a book.Mind proving it then
>>23315770Those who refuse to read are also considered illiterate.
>>23315779>Make a claim>Refuse to prove it>Call people illiterate for not believing a claim you refuse to prove
Thales, some turk
>>23315765Yes, they were the ones who turned the Greeks gay. The truth is now out.
>>23315759Where's that snippet from?
>>23312253>Why the Greeks and not someone else?This is one of the most fascinating questions to me. Despite the fact that lots of Greeks had a fascination for Egypt not unlike what the West has/had for the East nowadays. Like the legend that Plato and Pythagoras studied in Egypt.Why the Greeks, probably because of their agonal instinct: the desire for competition and to be the best. First in the obvious arena of athletic competition, later in the domain of Sophistry. Not being the best with your body but being the best with your words. Which later develops into Philosophy. Other cultures didn't seem to have this deep-bred instinct for competition and one-upping the other. Even Greek tragedies were composed in the spirit of competition with other playwrights. No doubt this competitive environment led to the production of high quality culture
>>23315977History of Money in Ancient Times - Alexander Del Mar, Chapter "Aboriginal Europe"https://www.heritage-history.com/index.php?c=read&author=delmar&book=ancient&story=europe
>>23316850Thanks. The book is fairly old though, are you sure the assertions in it aren't outdated?
>>23312178They stole everything from ancient africans.
>>23312298Hermeticism is post christ
>>23316916Of course.Greeks used a modified version of the Phoenician alphabet.Even Wikipedia writes that cities were introduced to geographical Italy by Phoenicians. Phoenicia was a collective of city states.>The Phoenicians introduced to Sardinia a form of urban aggregation hitherto unknown to the natives: the city.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoenician%E2%80%93Punic_Sardinia
>>23315765>yet the Greeks were intrigued and influenced by them regardlessHerodotus was mainly interested in their "tree which bears fruit most unusual" aka that sticky icky afghani OG eyebleeding kush
>*claps hands*START>*claps hands*WITH>*claps hands*MCLUHAN
>>23312178Organon was a very popular starting place during Aristotle's lifetime. Even most Platonists recommended starting there because of how autistically rigid the separation of topics from one book to another is. If you are just looking for a step by step guide to think more critically before you get to into the ideological camps of Western Philosophy, you should probably start there too. Obviously Plato is also a great starting point. There is a certain didcaticism that Aristotle and Plato both possess that I haven't seen in any of the other philosophers I've read.
>>23315063Illiterate retard.https://www.worldhistory.org/Phoenician_Colonization/https://phoenicia.org/colonies.html>The Phoenicians were well known to their contemporaries as sea traders and colonizers,https://www.britannica.com/place/Phoenicia
>>23317579From your source:>The Phoenicians lacked the manpower and the need to found large colonies as the Greeks did, and few of their settlements grew to any size. which leads us back to your retarded assertion:>The ancient greek city states today are mostly a result of Phoenician colonization.
>>23317781Yes, the author made a mistake and didn't have the full information (namely that greece was colonized by Phoenicians).
>>23316850>0 fucking citations
>>23317996The actual book has citations and a bibliography, peruse it if you so desire.
>>23312452The Hebrews
>>23312182This anon is correct. Start with PIE - language, linguistics, archaeology, theology (comparative), mythology, anthropology, etc.
>>23312178aliums
>>23312178Ancient Vikings aka Dorians, who came from Central Europe and invaded mainland Greece during its Dark Ages, bringing civilization back to life. It would explain why most heroes and gods have blond or red hair.
>>23319696Aha. Then how come their own homeland was such a shithole? Probably got assimilated by the urbanised Greeks instead I think.
>>23318041Wrong,it's the Ethiopians. They precede everybody.
>>23321340Redpill me on the current state of Ancient Ethiopian literature?
>>23321340dont worry anon, i archived your mistake
>>23312182>Indo Europeans>Not "aryans"This is like seeing "BCE", I'm probably gonna skip it
