This board feels like arguing with two old lovers stuck in bins while one guy loudly screeches in a chair and pisses himself, and makes as much noise as possible, and everything is dying slowly. Everything is turned grey. And we’re out of pain killers.
are you that british guy who makes those unfunny youtube skits?
I just got warned for using the sticky for satirical purposes. They also deleted my post. I sort of asked for it since I said "reported" but the jannies know that I did not actually report the thread and that it was part of the satire. This seems the proper place to mention it./lit/ died almost a decade ago. >>24722579He is still trying to figure out how to work around the bong age laws.
>>24722579Why would any of my post be funny?
>>24722597Bongs are unintentionally hilarious to most of the world.
>>24722606Even if that’s true, I think 4chan creates a cultural schizophrenia where users try to guess the identity of anons, usually by pairing anonymous with someone they know. No part of my post nor my language makes me stand out as British.
>>24722616If you are on /lit/ you should be able to identify posters by their posting style and if you are old enough to post on 4chan you should be old enough to understand that the vast majority of /lit/izens can't identify posters through their posting style and function purely on instinct and whim. Given your usage, I would say Burger, but given your response I would say that you are that Bong who makes the unfunny youtube skits. Also, you know it is true.
I wasted countless hours reading and shitposting on this board Now Im a zoomer in my late twenties without anything to show for while those booktubers are happily engaged with their hobby Qties are posting gloating reviews of slop and Im sitting here on a beautiful breezy afternoon reading chudcore
>>24722630I was making a literary allusion to Endgame by Samuel Beckett and you harp on about some eceleb or lolcow you know about. You’re terminally online.
>>24722633What eceleb or lolcow am I harping on about? Your allusion was weak, you provided nothing to solidly connect it to the allusion, some of us have read more than 4 books.
>>24722649I’m way more educated than you. I’ve also read way more than you. And you’re here talking about YouTube ecelebs. Go read something more substantial than Harry Potter.
>>24722655You are the one who brought up ecelebs and youtube, not me.
>>24722658Read here: >>24722579
>>24722661That was not me and I think I made that clear. Even if you missed that, our usage is very different. You are proving my point.
>>24722664You don’t read. No one literate makes communication this tedious.
>>24722649>Your allusion was weakOP described the setting of the play and attached a picture from it being staged. Couldn't make the allusion any stronger.
>>24722667Want to discuss literature instead? I am game.>>24722668I never looked at OP image, it is rare that I do. The rest it too generic for anyone who has not recently read it. Also, OP's allusion was not yours.
I rarely go to this board, come here 5 times a year. The board is exactly the same as when I was here. The same topics are being recycled, including the ones that have no business being here.
>>24722674Endgame actually takes place inside the mind of an unnamed character, but it is a solipsistic theatre of the mind where nothing exists outside this “stage” where mental faculties are personified by an immobile Hamm (the blind id), the legless Clov (the subservient ego), and the distant and decrepit Nagg and Nell (superego in two literal bins). The visual senses are personified in Clov, who acts as the only set of eyes that work, when he looks outside of windows into the grey depths of a universe meeting an entropic death. Hamm, on the other hand, has eyes that are wholly white and can no longer see—he is a stand-in for what Plato would have characterised in Glaucon (glaucoma), some rational agent and potential philosopher who fails to reach the ends of philosophy, and falls short of the hyperrational project of sectioning off reality into distinctive data to be organised in grids and strata. Hamm is the ruler of the mind, and forces Clov and the others to follow his every wish, until it is found that even Hamm had an insecure, irrational centre as a child. Nagg and Nell—Hamm’s parents—are two parts of, or a duality of, the emotional side of the mind; they may as well be the common ancestors of man’s reason. But Nagg and Nell also disclose that their son, the strict and authoritarian blind agent of Cartesian coordinates, cried as a child and called out not for maternal love but the paternal instinct. Endgame represents the human condition as sectioned off into absurd and hilarious difference, and conflict, between the body, mind, and rational faculties.
>>24722570>traitors secretly perpetuating what anyone else would have dragged out back and put downAh kiddo, the old pendulum swings back and forth between Neetch and me. Eventually all the Neetch's figure out sitting and thinking nothing is what they would call a privilege and they start doing it to make themselves appear aristocratic. That's usually around the time I have to show up. Go find a twink or whatever the lesbian equivalent is, I only know the male vernacular from you fags. Only one man can make the pomos go away. It's always a dirty job kiddo. Even poor Hegel had his hands full.
>>24722685Citing dogma is not discussing literature, what do you expect me to do, grade you?
>>24722606please, elaborate?
>>24722761All you did was spit out a fairly standard interpretation and plot summary, did not even support it, how do you expect me to respond? You can not discuss literature removed from the language, the hows and whys, the ways Beckett used language and literature to achieve his goals and why what he did, works, why and how it affected you and how Beckett turned you around, bent you over and made you cry. Literature. We live in the age of AI and if you want to be more than a lobotomized sheep, you need to do more than just recite, you need to live and breath and feel and get everyone you talk to feel what you felt when your read it even if what you felt was the mind numbing existing of a lobotomized sheep. For fucks sake, emote like there is no tomorrow, beg and plead to just get one person to understand what saw for that brief moment when it suddenly made sense.
Yeah /lit/ is dying. I've only been around for maybe five years or so but even then the past three have seemed more and more bleak for this board specifically. I feel like it might be a good thing though. We've always complained that this board moves too quickly for any kind of serious discussion to occur, so now that its dying, maybe the people who actually want to have serious conversations will stick around.
>>24722857>shutdown years were peak
>>24722570Cool beans
Old fags and Millenials and now our watch has ended, it is in the hands of Gen Z to be the watcher on the walls the fire that burns against cold, the light that brings the dawn, the horn that wakes the sleepers, the shield that guards the realms of men
>>24722857>We've always complained that this board moves too quickly for any kind of serious discussion to occur, so now that its dying, maybe the people who actually want to have serious conversations will stick around.I don't know. I'd like to think so, but I've also seen a lot of effortposts the past year less interested in conversation than pronouncing from on high and raging at even polite disagreements. It might be more likely we just get stuck with fewer posters blogging past each other or turning threads into bloodsports.
>>24722570What do you want to talk about, OP?
>>2472257015, 10, shit maybe even 5 years ago, there weren't that many places on the internet to seriously discuss books. Everyone who cared about literature and contemporary literary culture (all 50 of us) were either in MFA department classrooms or /lit/. Now, /lit/ has to compete with reddit and twitter, mostly twitter. The good userbase -- the people who actually read, who actually thought, who knew what they were talking about -- migrated to those platforms. We're stuck with /pol/tards and heckin' based election tourists. /lit/ was never good, but it once was better. I think it'll return, but slowly -- it will be one of the loci of a new contemporary literature, one that's neither woketarded nor chudtarded.
>>24722685ChadGPT adding unneeded context as usual
>>24723292I wrote all of it
>>24722661wasn't talking about an eceleb i was talking about the friendo pass me the benzos guy
>>24723825You’re too online
>>24723828ur just too new to /lit/, newguy
>>24723841Been here since 2015, I bet that’s earlier than you. I just don’t watch every Quentin video that he shits out because I’m not a loser.
Everyone who has ever proclaimed the end of anything is a massive pretentious faggot
it's not just /lit/ mind you. /mu/ is even worse
>>24723859Literature is dead >Döblin finds fault with the novel, since it focuses on individual characters or in its classic form of the Bildungsroman even recounts the education of the one protagonist. In his critique of the novel as genre, Döblin echoes considerations of both the literary discourse in Germany, which reflects on what has been called the 'crisis of narration', and the philosophical debate on the vanishing subject.
>>24722735What source did I cite? I think you are illiterate and uneducated.
anons here seem to think putting eachother down is the whole point. I dont understand why there is so much negativity here
>>24723898Cluster B personality types are drawn to anonymous websites where they can play out power fantasies
>>24722857I feel like the internet discussion itself is dying. I can't speak to people anywhere now, where I feel like I used to be able to begin or find conversations everywhere. I won't pretend I'm of the kind to make chains of erudite effortposts, but I do want to actually talk to people and discuss things, and it just doesn't seem possible anymore. Any platform I go to in any format will have been consumed by the same tired memes and cliches being traded back and forth in the same order and the same constellations ad infinitum. Five years pass, the old users graduate after repeating the same lines every week for that entire time, and the new users step in and resume it so perfectly that you can't even tell that the entire userbase has been replaced. Well, I guess I'm just mad that I don't get enough praise and attention for my unreadable and meaningless diatribes and that people would rather engage with the same memes that keep letting them feel good and that support their identiy for little effort. I'm part of the problem, too, or maybe I am the problem, since I just keep venting and using this place as a distraction and to vainly attempt to satisfy my social needs in a completely selfish way with "contributions" of no interest to anyone. This is probably a great example of that. I should do drugs and gamble my way into heavy debt or something so I'll have stranger experiences to draw from and less insipid thoughts to share.
>>24722803>we can’t summarise because that’s what AI can do! t. Retard
I just talk to chatgpt about my literary interest and say "reply like an effort poster on 4channel.com/lit/catalog"I usually get a copy of the best /lit/ effort posts in quality threads
>>24723948This is all over the internet and even real life. People don't want to listen to other's opinions if they don't with their worldview, anyone who has a different standing gets called a schizo or edgelord. That's why in my eyes normie men and women are worthless and I am glad I only use them for sex.
>>24725043If they don't FIT*
>>24723918This.Many Anons here are lonely creatures.
>>24725043>Typical bitardFoolish.
>>24723873Can I ask about /mu/? I was thinking on making a thread there about ambient and Bvdub, but I often heard they are extremely elitist and it aligns with other claims and stereyotypes on music fans.
>>24725055I have the "pretty boy" body complexion. I think that's the reason I am that way. But I am curious, what do you have against bisexuals? Do you think we are degenerates? Please tell me there is also biphobia in the literal lgbt community.
>>24725043>men and women are worthless and I am glad I only use them for sex.sounds gay bro
>>24725066The only bisexual I know is my friend who looks like a biker. Aside from him most bisexuals and I don't get along.
>>24725058I post there. What's up? Usually I post topics on obscure 80s hardcore bands and give recs on dark ambient and industrial bands. I post in the metal generals too.
>>24725073Why? I am attracted to feminine traits. Such as long hair and beautiful faces. An example of somewhat what I like is this gut in the pic. But I prefer black haired guys honestly.>>24725082It is okay anon, but I just want you to know that not all bisexs are bad. There are some who are pretty normal. I don't go around bragging that I fuck men.>>24725087That sounds good. I personally wanted to discover more music with a vibe I don't know how to name that makes me feel so unique. It is like lonely and magical but not fantastic. Do you think I could post a thread there talking about this vibe?
>>24725107>I just use them for sex>im not bad.Are you sure?
>>24725118What's bad about reducing people to sex objects?
>>24725144You end up becoming one.
>>24725118Hey
>>24725043Yes, I've thought about this and it seems people are fit into groups and categories that a much more extreme extent than before (even recently), both by themselves and others. In many conversations I have I suddenly realize that, actually, the look they're giving me is that of comparison, and what they just asked me was to see if I fit into this type they're testing me as. Although there may be more varied social roles and expectations now that give the appearance of social fluidity and acceptance, there's a very desperate desire to conform to them and to reject those that don't seem to. Now I'm no norm-questioning critical theorist (and I notice that I am here also thinking with those "types" I'm complaining about) or seething contrarian but I'm no normie either, and I see and understand that not properly fitting a box (any box, and there are many and new ones are always beint developed) makes others truly uncomfortable and makes them want to reject the idea of you. This came out very pathetically but I feel like it's true, and while I am whining and complaining I don't feel any bitterness at all for it and aren't accusing them of any real personal fault.Also I was writing some thoughts questions about the potential effects of bisexuality on one's social relations but it became tedious and strange so I'll keep to considering it privately
>>24725146>>24725118I never wanted to be an apathetic person. But when I was young I was over empathic and it ended up hurting me. Thanks to that I developed a cynical view and anyone who I deem as "normie" or not worth it I just go and talk to them about "normie" topics and try to make them like me but I always think they are worthless. Someone who doesn't care about anything once cared a lot.
>>24725151I realize I make a lot of errors and have a lot of awkwardnesses in my posting but I'm not (too) retarded or being unserious and I hope my sentiment still gets across, in general and not just here
>>24725159Reminds me of some shit I heard professor dickwash say. Something like, level 1 naivety is assuming everyone is good. Level 2 is assuming everyone is bad. Level 3 is incorporating the possibility of both into your world view. Sounds like you've been stuck on level 2 for a long time.
>>24722803?I was asking why bongs are funnyI'm nta
>>24725165I don't exactly think everyone is bad. I do have friends that I care about without sex being even involved. But relate to what >>24725151 is saying. I often have to evaluate if someone is worth it but I am going to be honest sometimes I have the internal stereotype that all handsome men/women are sexual objects. I usually try push away that worldview but it has affected or ruined some potential good friendships I could have had.
>This board feels like arguing with two old lovers stuck in bins while one guy loudly screeches in a chair and pisses himself, and makes as much noise as possible, and everything is dying slowly. Everything is turned grey. And we’re out of pain killers.>several posts later>Why? I am attracted to feminine traits. Such as long hair and beautiful faces. An example of somewhat what I like is this gut in the pic. But I prefer black haired guys honestly.Yes. Yes indeed.
>>24725178I am not going to lie I laughed a lot at this. But to continue with what OP is saying, I have noticed it in every board of 4chan. Discussions no longer look like discussions but people berating each other. Like a moralist war or to see who has the best opinion instead of trying to feed their minds properly.
Continuing on my post, I think this is a combination of close-mindness, moralfagging and self-defense mechanism. You know why is so hard to make a person don't believe in magic? Because they think you are attacking them and their beliefs, that reinforces what they believe in. That's what happens in today's /lit/ if someone posts an idea people will diminish it or see it as stupid and because poor opposition is best propaganda it reinforces what they believe in. I have never seen people in this board changing their minds for a moment or saying "I admit it, I was wrong." They often just insult each other when ran out of arguments.
>>24725182Either it comes in phases or there was a very sudden decline in the past six months. Less than a year ago, this place, while absolutely retarded still, was filled with philosophical discourse top to bottom. /pol/bait as well, sure, but it's never been this bad. Is it because schools are in? Obviously /lit/ has been pretty garbage past 2017, but it seems there are substantial incremental drops in quality.
>>24725189I personally visited this board for the first time in 2022 or 2023 and I don't think it was that bad. I mean, I often don't realize how fucked something is. But I personally was able to have good debate and I get a more calm vibe from that time.But the decline is 100% real. I remember that back when I was in /jp/ in 2022 and 2024 I could have a good serious discussion on something niche about Touhou or its lore. Later it all turned into people calling each other secondaries, and I couldn't even kept up alive two good threads I made. Besides that the post underneath were so low quality that I believe strongly they didn't even read the OP text. I felt like a lot of dedicated people on 4chan left.
>>24725188you're right but also this returns to the idea that the board moves too fast in the sense that changing one's mind or realizing one is mistaken is only very rarely something that happens mid-conversartion, but instead comes later -- usually days later, but sometimes weeks and sometimes months and in some cases years. so there is no space for mind-changing to occur in the span of a /lit/ thread, and typically not even over several threads after one another on similar topics.
I have a task for everyone: go to the catalogue, and find one (1) post that's about a book and it's clear the OP has read it. Good luck.
>>24725202damn that's depressing. ops are baiting faggots as always and the only real humans are buried in the replies. but this >>24723992 thread on Plath's Ariel seems fine even if it'll likely die soon as all threads like it do
>>24725207It is insane how a board which its whole premise is to discuss books discusses more politics and random crap than in an actual thread about a book.
/lit/ is just going to move offline. Thats what I anticipate.
>>24725825>/lit/ is just going to move offlinethere is no /lit/ without the internet, this is a nonsensical statement
This site is just Reddit with usernames/post history hidden. Not even anonymous.>B-but I u-use onion routing….It’s not 2008 anymore. If you did anything worth investigation, you’d be de-anonymized in an instant.
>>24722570Speaking of Samuel Beckett if you want to watch his play Happy Days starring Billie Whitelaw here's some links. I had to get it with the Wayback Machine since it's not on Youtube anymore.https://web.archive.org/web/2oe_/http://wayback-fakeurl.archive.org/yt/40dUZK2CIbQhttps://web.archive.org/web/2oe_/http://wayback-fakeurl.archive.org/yt/DnfSIY1XV_w
>>24723873>>24725058All you need to know about how /mu/'s shittiness is they have at least 10 kpop generals active at any given time, and that this isn't even a new phenomenon
>>24725058/mu/ listens to music and talks about musicians. /lit/ does not read and makes threads about authors. All you really need to know.
>>24727390I wish I could refute this.
>>24722570I am pissing myself, you are licking it, it is infected. The piss is infected. You are licking it. You are licking it. You are licking it. The piss is infected.
>>24727390>/lit/ does not read and makes threads about authorsTrue>/mu/ listens to music and talks about musiciansSlow your roll, friend
>>24727405My roll? Guessing that is some /mu/ism, I don't spend much time there and it has been at least a decade since I have known their memes.
I dunno, guys, I've been on 4chan since 2008 and I don't really feel the desire to leave. I don't even think /lit/ is that bad, really. I'm not bothered by the site, I love this place, it's nice to talk freely without having to have what you say attached to a name or a personality.I'll be here until they shut the site down, and I don't think /lit/ is dead, or dying any time soon.
>>24727416Show me one (1) /lit/ post that of worth
>>24722857>Yeah /lit/ is dying./lit/ isn't dying, the quality of poster is dying. If every board is complaining about this, then it's largely attributable to the newer waves of posters.Young newfags are too angry and have too short an attention span. They don't make for fun or interesting posters.
