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>>25051312
Been wondering on "how to change people" effectively.

I've come to believe that only leading by example is the only real ethical way to behave when you want to inspire people, all art or didactic rhetoric can never really change people for the better, they'll always instill foreign ideas, memes, into people's minds, and that's no good.

I believe only observation, taking what's good in others, and learning to apply those characteristics to your own unique life can result in more advanced souls, that don't cling to generic advice or laws which hinder them more than anything

>>25051333
>Wanting to change others
They're fine

>muscles getting bigger and stronger, abs becoming more visible, bicep veins thick and noticeable
>but somehow my face and neck are still puffy and flabby and full of fat and I look like a fatbody from the neck up

I’ve been living like a neet for months now. How do people escape such a situation? Furthermore, how do people get to the mental position where they want to escape? I feel very comfortable being a neet, but that might be the most dangerous part of neetdom.

>>25051333
Nonsense. It isnt particularly hard, I do it all the time. Advanced souls? The fuck is that pokemon evolutionary hogwash. Taking what's good in others, how do you know what's good if they hadnt changed you effectively? For instance, am I good? Are you changed?

>>25051348
I pity you. No choice but to keep losing fat.

>>25051358
most people run out of money and are therefore forced to gain employment
if this isn't a concern for you then fuck it

no words / no thoughts

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>>25051417

I’m learning Japanese and Ancient Greek. English has gotten far too boring for my growing tastes.

Yes, I also want to fuck Japanese girls. Yes, I also want to talk to myself in Ancient Greek whilst diddling myself.

My father is a very old man and has lived a life filled with adventures, true torment and misery, with small inclusion of happiness. I have been thinking about writing a book about his life for a long time, I just want it to be written down and I think it would be.a good start for me as trying to write, but its also a great story in itself, when I talk to him about it he just thinks it is funny.

So many things I want to consume yet I'm stuck at my low pay job

my best friend (my doctor) on't even say what it is I've got

I'm considering frying my vomit and eating it.

I believe there is only 1 reasonable explanation for why America is letting ice do these things. It is extremely silly to think of it in a vacuum and believe they are stupid enough to lose ungodly amounts of support just to kill a couple of random protesters that have no power.

Their end goal is to provoke someone (not actually force someone, but legitimately let someone) go on an ICE murder spree. This could be the first domino in uniting with democrats to ban guns for all citizens. It would take more than one spree to realistically do so, that's why ice is starting so soon doing these things in trump's term.

>>25051670
>t is extremely silly to think of it in a vacuum and believe they are stupid enough to lose ungodly amounts of support just to kill a couple of random protesters that have no power.
First one ran into someone with her car like a retard
Second one was armed and picked a fight with vastly outnumbered law enforcement

Tell me you’re a sensationalist retard in less words next time

Vtube killed the video star.

>People are so strange.
I have a friend who is struggling to get his wife pregnant. His bitch wife, after a few drinks, has made several demeaning comments about him and her dissatisfaction. I don't recall her exact words but she's insinuated that his failure to knock her up proves he's not a real man. At one point she went as far as to allude to needing something "extramarital" to get what she wants. This understandably eats him up and strains their relationship.
Over dinner he told me that his parents (primarily his mother) are converting his childhood bedroom into a nursery. They're well aware of the struggles to conceive. His parents explained that the nursery will be used for our OTHER friend's kid. His parents are buying a crib, stuffed animals, and toys for their son's friend's kid. My friend is not an only child. He's the youngest of three kids. Both of his siblings already have their own children. His parents already got to play Grandma / Grandpa with their other grandchildren.
What the fuck is wrong with people?

>>25051746
Women gunna women. Boomers gunna boom. Your friend who cant have a kid isnt a human in their eyes because both groups are hyperfixated on utility.

He deserves better than either.

>>25051746
Poor guy is actively being cucked by the shit women in his life
I think you should advocate he get his fertility tested in private, and if he’s at least average fertility to leave his wife. If this is how she is trying, just wait until she’s a mother

>>25051675
>First one ran into someone with her car like a retard
NTA but we all saw the video, this isn't what happened. She's clearly turning away from the agent, who has enough time to step out of the car's path and fire three shots, the second two shots occurring after he's well clear of the car. I can kinda-sorta see where you're coming from with the first shot -- you could argue he genuinely feared for his life, blah blah, sure felt like it was gonna hit him, whatever -- and I'd disagree with you, but you could argue it and I wouldn't laugh at you even though I would still think you were wrong. But the second and third shots are completely indefensible.
>second one was armed
You can be executed by the state for having a gun on you now? Thought you guys were supposed to be 2A people. Also, if he was there to kill ICE agents, don't you think he would've pulled the gun and started firing as soon as they moved toward him?
>picked a fight
Come on. He was doing nothing but filming them for like 10 mins prior. They tried to grab some woman for unclear reasons, they shove her over, he goes to help her up, they pepper-spray him and wrestle him to the ground, an agent removes the gun -- read that again, removes the gun from Pretti -- and walks off with it, and then an agent standing above Pretti shoots him four times while he's on the ground.
>>25051670
>It is extremely silly to think of it in a vacuum and believe they are stupid enough to lose ungodly amounts of support just to kill a couple of random protesters that have no power
They are stupid enough to do that because Stephen Miller et al genuinely believe what they're saying. Some of the smarter Republicans know this is stupid, but the diehard true believers (Miller, Vance, etc) see ICE as pacifying an uppity immigrant hive and therefore necessary. If they shoot a few protesters here and there, whatever, they were libtards anyway, no big loss.
>their end goal is to provoke someone... to go on an ICE murder spree
I don't think this is the goal they have in mind, but I think they see this as an acceptable outcome. Semi-agree with you here, I guess.

>>25051778
Wow. Can you take it to the board it belongs on? I do not care either way. Your commentary is not on topic, and I dont really want to rub my nuts in your face but I will if you persist.

>>25051312
Reading War and Peace for the first time. About halfway into it, enjoying it so far. I'm at the part where Prince Andrew has just asked for Natasha's hand in marriage. Every 100 pages or so Tolstoy will include a scene along these lines
>Count Johnkova Russianname, with his fortune of a trillion rubles a year, was sitting in a railway station when he saw a poor peasant who was very poor and had no money for any food at all.
>"I could give that peasant five rubles," thought the Count, "but that five rubles would not teach that peasant how to live! No, it would do nothing to truly, completely free them from themselves! It would be useless!"
>The Count got on the train and left for a ball for very wealthy people where they drank very expensive wine in very expensive glasses. The peasant starved to death, as is right and just, because money would not have saved their soul.
which is both infuriating and funny. I don't like Dostoevsky's prose but he knew better than to do that shit. Guess that's what happens when you never have to work for a living.

>>25051785
Cared enough to reply, it's the write your thoughts thread and that's what I was thinking of when I read what you wrote

>>25051778
I’ll fully concede that the second guy should not have been killed. But you have to recognize that when you’re not being supported by police and everyone is acting as though they’re about to get violent (yes we know the libs are just playing tough goy), but the military vet ICE agents don’t know that. Hoards of these fuckers continually coerced ICE agents and then played victim when the cornered dogs bit. Be a little more level in your analysis at the very least. Next you’ll try to tell me that Waltz did what he could to minimize the damage, right? Dude has fanned the fire weekly and has not advocated that the citizens stand down against federal law enforcement. He’s a garbage leader and his best chance at securing elections was paying taxdollars to somalis to do nothing at all in luxury until the election cycle. And a white nurse gets killed. If you think Waltz and his other self hating peers don’t laugh about that you may be delusional.

3 of my friends died from pulmonary embolism.

>>25051821
>pulmonary embolism
Did you have surviving mutual friends?

>>25051827
No.

fucks this ice crap now

>>25051830
I feel like a retard. I’m thinking of air embolism.

Please excuse my retardation. I’m sorry for your losses.

>>25051836
We are apparently gonna get a second snow storm in my area and I really am not looking forward to it.

>>25051836
Especially black ice

it isn't really hard to understand why supreme gentleman did the things that he did a certain class of normies do send my blood boiling the hoards of friends, multiple circles is it even sincere
should i pity them is it jealousy does jealousy have anger and repulsion

>>25051811
>Hoards of these fuckers continually coerced ICE agents and then played victim when the cornered dogs bit
I don't think that people yelling mean things or blowing whistles justifies an immediate public execution, or arrest, or beating. I think federal agents should have more restraint than that. From what I've seen, these ICE guys are just riding around Minneapolis and grabbing whoever they want for whatever reason they want under the pretense of "stopping illegal immigration" or whatever, and then it frequently turns out that the person they arrested was a citizen the whole time, or had a valid green card, or or or. I get why Minneapolis residents are upset.
>Walz minimize damage
I don't know what you'd like out of him -- he's got federal agents that he didn't ask for in the biggest city in his state more or less fucking up anyone they see for no reason. What's he supposed to do, roll over and thank Trump for kicking him in the balls?
>not advocated that the citizens stand down
He's advocated for peaceful protests, which are protected under the 1st amendment. I don't support non-peaceful protests. Again, what's he supposed to do, say "yes, these ICE agents are here on flimsy pretext, and they're doing illegal shit constantly, and you hate them, but I want you to do absolutely nothing, because... uh, it'll get worse if you don't." Tails I win, heads you lose type of deal -- either he tries to get the administration to see how unpopular they are, meaning they crack down harder, or he does nothing, and the administration takes that silence as acquiescence.
>somalis
Seems like there was a lot of fraud going on. Sucks. I don't like public corruption. (Wasn't the ringleader of the big somali fraud scam a white woman? I don't really remember.) I hope that there's a non-partisan investigation into the fraud, but I don't think there'll be one. The right wants to have everyone think the fraud is mindbogglingly widespread and concentrated among Somalians so they have an excuse to cut govt spending and immigration, the left wants everyone to think that it was a small group of individuals and that it's a right-wing politicized hoax of some kind, blah blah blah. I don't know if we'll ever really know the extent of it.
>laugh about that
I don't know what they'd be laughing at, it seems like Walz and company's in a very tough spot

>>25051853
I can agree with this. I think more generally what we're seeing is the consequences of eroded meritocratic cultural practices. So of couse, the corpse left behind after the death of standards is going suffuse every situation it touches with the stench of incompetance.

And not for nothing, but the vets signing up for ICE are actually itching to see combat again.

>>25051312
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UA1cQI7VyhY

>>25051758
>Tested in private
It’d be a second opinion. They both went to a fertility place and he said, “well it’s not her.” She’s on their finances like a hawk and he’d get berated about how he didn’t discuss with first.
>Leave her
No chance. It’s already been nearly a decade of them being together, and he’s talked about how if they split he wouldn’t be able to keep the house. Way too drastic of a change.
He’s too beaten down to see clearly. “I deserve better” isn’t even on his radar. He’s framed it as “This is the best I can manage. If I leave, I’ll be alone forever.”
It’s a real life
>I’ve seen what pussy does to a nigga and it’s even worse

Why are people constantly talking about Argartha? I was gonna google it but it apparently has some sort of Nazi connections or the Nazis were looking for it or believed it existed or something? Or they live there now? I don't know, apparently Conquest of Elysium 5 has a realm you can conquer called Agartha and that's really all I know about it.

>>25051866
probably a victim of abuse that's why he gravitates to horrible people

>>25051879
Occultism -> Theosophy -> Ariosophy -> Thule Society -> Esoteric Neo-Nazism

>>25051901
But what is Agartha? Is it like Atlantis but underground or is it a whole kind of world/biome like Journey to the Center of the Earth?

>>25051906
Hidden underground civilization full of enlightened people who secretly controls the world. There're connections to black sun UFOs, the Nazi polar expedition, maybe Vril Society, I don't know.

>>25051925
Are these people human or lizardpeople?

>>25051941
Aryans of course.

>>25051853
Repeatedly blowing the whistles is highly distracting and disruptive to federal law enforcement, and seriously impedes their ability to gauge threats, hear what is going on, and focus on the task at hand. It isn’t a benign form of protest, and it should be grounds for arrest.

>parents buy me off-brand colored pencils for xmas
>didn't want or need colored pencils but it was a nice gesture
>open them today
>none of the pencils are labeled
>I'm colorblind
I don't mean to act like I have an actual disability but I think its kinda crazy we live in a day and age where they don't print the color on the pencil itself.

>>25051975
you don't need it so what does it matter

>>25051966
>distracting, can't gauge threats, hear what's going on, focus... It isn't a benign form of protest
Under these criteria, what is a benign form of protest? No protests in the road, you're blocking traffic. No holding signs, could be used as weapons. No holding banners, could obscure law enforcement's view and impede their ability to gauge threats. No chanting or singing, can't hear what's going on. No gathering in groups, makes it hard to tell who's a threat. No watching silently at a distance, too distracting. Etc etc.
>blowing whistles should be grounds for arrest
I don't think you really believe this.

>>25051980
wdym?

>>25051989
They need to leave ICE alone and let them do their job. They keep harassing and provoking federal law enforcement and then acting all surprised and outraged when there are bad outcomes. No sympathy for any of the protestors.

>>25052011
Like I said before, I don't think people blowing whistles or saying mean things justifies a beating, an arrest, or an execution
>acting all surprised and outraged
Yes, it's surprising and outrageous when a federal officer beats the shit out of you and then kills you for filming them on your phone

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Lauren my love!

>>25052011
>help a woman who just got shoved to the ground
>get shot
oh ok
>try to drive away from the scene
>get shot
oh ok
pretty obvious you already made up your mind and just want post-hoc rationalizations to keep demonizing le ebin leftoids so as a result you just choose to feign "play stupid games win stupid prizes" as if it even applies. enjoy being a sycophant for the same gov trying to strip everyone, not just muh immigrants and commies, of their rights. yes, yours too.

>>25052020
Good, maybe they'll lock you up for being a retard.

>>25052020
If you actually believe that you need to get psychologically checked because you're paranoid and delusional.

I am ridiculously /fit/ now and my (total) test is close to 4 digits but it has done absolutely nothing to end my mental suffering.

So well, listen. Yesterday in the evening I finished installing my new 250.000 dollar sound system. Didn't test it yet to that point in time as I was tired as hell, it's been a long and busy day. The thing is anyway, that I not only really love music, I also have significant trouble to wake up in the morning and start the day, and this morning I had an important appointment early. So I decided to set the alarm, only this time not my usual alarm clock but I chose to connect my iPhone to the new sound system and put this song on timer, so that it should play at 6 am in the morning. As it turned out I did a little bit too well on the job. Accidentally the audio settings of the external audio interface were set in a way that all amps were on maximum velocity. After falling asleep, next thing I know is waking up, listening to this audio clip at full level - but not only I woke up, not only my house started moving to the beat, as it turned out my whole residential neighborhood district woke up early this morning. In shock at what I did I was not able to stop the clip till it ended, I simply didn't properly function. So, I finished my appointment, and it's 10 am now and I just listened to the radio. They say, in the area where I live, despite it being a zero percent chance, this morning a short but intense earthquake has been registered ranking highly on the intensity scale. In addition there are rumors that some people heard an assertive yet animating voice say 'get the fuck out of bed bitch go'. In sheer terror and fear while closing their eyes some have reported that they saw a man in a red robe looking like Jonny Depp dancing like a mad man in their imagination. Scientists have started researching on new theories about mass hallucinations and the essence of the human mind in general due to this phenomenon. They also will investigate whether aliens and alien technology could be involved.

G-guys...I really just wanted to make sure that I wake up, you know?

>>25052061
who would have thought mind is distinct from the body

Can you tell me if this theory is crazy?

I believe that evolution of species -- all species -- is guided by the will of the individual organisms. Like, sometimes you'll see people say that it's irrational to hate any animals because they're just following their "programming" or their "nature", but these same people feel 100% entitled to judge the homeless crackhead on the sidewalk, because they believe that the former does not have agency while the latter does. However, I believe that the exact same mechanism applies to the homeless crackhead as it does to any animal, and the only difference here is that of degree. You could theoretically get a spider to change and move away from being spider-like, and if you prolong this process over several generations you'd see it evolve, and you could do the same for a deer, or a whale, or literally any organism, but this is *only* possible through appealing to the biological drives that it already has, and it's through this process that you arrive at higher organisms.

>>25051312
I've met schizoaffective people who still act very childish and seem stuck in that teenage period where they get a kick out of edgy humour and flirting with Nazism, but it's nonsensical because they identify as intersex and transgender and never had a job. If anything, they'd be the first to end up in a death camp. I tried to help them but they just sit on Disability Support Pension and refuse to study or find a job. They pretended they were making all this money from trading stocks but I think it was a delusion.

>>25052131
yea its crazy

>>25052141
Want to hear a secret?

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How long does grief last? It's been almost a month, and I still miss my father a lot

>>25052166
Maybe if you had been a better son he would still be around.

>>25052020
>show up armed and interfere with law enforcement by trying to prevent them from detaining an agitator and then resisting arrest
>get shot

>ignore commands to get out of the vehicle and then hit an ice agent with your vehicle in the process of driving off
>get shot

They deserved it.

>>25052178
And maybe if you had lurked moar you wouldnt be such an unmitigated faggot. Back that one up hoss, you can still correct it.

>>25052166
Forever. But eventually it turns into pride. It's sharp, it will stay sharp, and whenever you think about it you will hurt. The only thing that can be said is you arent alone, you cant bring him back, and if you honor his memory, your legacy will make him proud.

>>25052154
You don't care?

>>25052186
His own dad didn't think he was worth sticking around for. That's just a fact.

When I first started using the internet around 10-11 years old, or 5th-6th grade, my go-to handle for chatrooms and the like was LilPlaya99

>>25052225
oh he called himself?
what a loser and an awful being if you got family counting on ya
Good riddance I say!

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Fuck me just got the feeling to bury myself in a hole and destroy my life again
Been fighting for 2 years to get back on track and I am almost there. Got my normie pass and social life and the discipline to work out and got the neuroticism down enough to finally talk to women. And I finally know how to approach the things I have to do and the things I want to do.
But inside I am breaking like a little bitch again. Like I am about to be attacked and beaten without mercy.
At least I have this post-it note to keep me going.

>>25052225
But he did. He stuck around as long as he had, and that is a fact. You're making an assumption based on the info you have. But it is incomplete, and there are a very large list of variables that could have influenced the decision or the felecity calculus.

You, however, didnt read the room and appear to know better. I'm not "nice". This is the abyssal depths of the piss ocean, and in a place like this the malformed faggot fish dwell in bathypalegic darkness, forever. The crushing pressure and taint lingers; you are fundamentally changed by residing here. Say what you want, I'm sure everyone's heard worse. But it's a choice. And like all choices, you are who you choose to be.

>>25051707
MTV killed the video star

>>25052242
He killed himself. One can logically conclude he felt he had no reason to live. His own son was not deemed sufficient reason for him to continue living. He could have stayed around for his son, but he didn't love his son enough to do that, and so he chose to kill himself. That's a fact.

>>25051707
I like vtubers, but streaming services and tiktok killed the video star.

Vtubers have a great potential, but they seem stuck in the video game playing geisha hostess/karaoke idol thing.

>>25052264
>Vtubers have a great potentia
For what?

I'm watching the show Money Heist on Netflix and while I'm loving it, I'm having difficulty watching it because it's too intense and suspenseful, it's almost too much to bear as the plot unfolds at its own pace.

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>>25052259
Inductively, not absolutely, but you're trying your best. If we could only be so lucky to have a son who cares about us after we're gone. And in our autismal eternal realm, I'm sure you know how these things sort themselves out.

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>>25052266
I like their genuineness. Like mixing anime with improv or scripted acting, instead of just karaoke stage stuff.
People say anime is dying and Hollywood certainly is. And who wants to watch some guy's AI slop? Like video games their graphics/believability will improve but it will likely be too soulless. The vtuber avatars have loads more character (If the rigging or 3D model is up to par). The ghosts in those shells would beat the budding AI auteur any day I think.

But even if it remains amateur hour, like Dungeon Synth in music, it'll be worth it for me.

>>25051312
seems like fine armor till you're nocked over and trying to get back up.

>>25051895
Stop watching me anon

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>>25052131
Our difference of degree is that of having formed concepts about ourselves, our emotions, our thoughts etc. Having reached self-awareness is our key distinction from the rest of the animal world, not language or Idk what other shit. Whether other organisms can lead to intelligent sapient-like species is an open question: you might have local optimums where high intelligence never arises, dinosaurs existed for a long time, it's doubtful they would ever develop to be intelligent. (watched this vid on the topic https://youtu.be/bF-CvZgSPCM)

>but these same people feel 100% entitled to judge the homeless crackhead on the sidewalk, because they believe that the former does not have agency while the latter does.

Given our self-awareness, the notion of Good and Bad has ascended to a higher realm for humans. Happiness, living well as a human, is not hedonism, contentment of the senses, passivity, or aponia and ataraxia. I've found that humans only wishes to prolong their existence, and are good and happy in doing so, when they both continually to ingest and create, to learn and make, to sense and reason.

To reason because you want to remain in mastery, to sense because you want to remember that you reason towards the enjoyment and the promotion of your life; The one who is irrational is quickly lead to dependence and slavery, that one is given less chance to survive, and is also given unhappiness, that one likes the society of dependence, and promotes it; The one who lacks taste quickly becomes cold, stagnant, stale, as are ideas, because he bathes in ideas, the lack of taste--of quick evaluation--leads to a weakness to what's new, being inadequate to the ever-changing life, and as soon as a regime changes, that one will be confused and lost, this one wants to conserve.

It is with these notions that you judge a man who lives like an animal for being a faulty self-aware human, and forgive the animal because its nature is different; and in general everything that has a different nature is judged differently, humans and animals, men and women, a life or a tool: we evaluate all to be good or bad, always, so don't make the mistake to be too general on estimating the nature of things.

“Be not frightened at the disorder that is without you, but at the disorder which is within; aspire after unity, but seek it not in uniformity; aspire after repose, but through equilibrium, and not by suspending the action of your faculties. This nature which you envy in the being destitute of reason deserves no esteem: it is not worth a wish. You have passed beyond it; it ought to remain for ever behind you. The ladder that carried you having given way under your foot, the only thing for you to do is to seize again on the moral law freely, with a free consciousness, a free will, or else to roll down, hopeless of safety, into a bottomless abyss.” -- Schiller, Naive and Sentimental Poetry

Really considering cumming on a thread I dont like and posting the results.

>>25052240
I love you anon

I don't know how popular or unpopular this opinion is but I hate paper back books and I love hardcover books but I hate hardcover books with a dust jacket more than paper backs. Give me leather bound or fuck off.

You used to call me on my
You used to, you used to

>>25052545
I hate that I read this

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Just argued with a guy who confidently claimed self-defense requires intent of the aggressor to kill or harm you, treated the notion it doesn't as absurd, and refused to elaborate.

The notion that it isn't defense if you disable someone who is GOING to kill or harm you just because they don't mean to seems like the silliest shit ever to me.

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>>25052599
Oh. Oh man. I could argue with you so hard, and probably win. Hours and hours of shitflinging. Paragraphs and lamentations. But, alas, it's midnight. And I am drinking a V8 in bed. Just imagine the argument for me.

>>25052599
You're right that self-defense actually doesn't need an intent but a justifiable fear under the current circumstances. Like finding a stranger in your home or a guy grabbing you in the alley are justifiable self-defense scenarios. It doesn't matter if it ends up being a joke or if the guy was just going to rob you. You aren't a mind reader.
>The notion that it isn't defense if you disable someone who is GOING to kill or harm you just because they don't mean to seems like the silliest shit ever to me.
This is crazy nuanced, like if you punch a person and hold him down until the police come, yeah that's "disabling" but if you shoot or stab someone it becomes a very different case.
A lot of the time people who shoot up into the air or shoot someone in the kneecap also go to jail because it ruins their self-defense case because they evidently didn't fear for their lives. If you have a weapon and someone hits you, you can only draw it or use it if you feel like your life is in danger and when you do pull it you don't disable them, you shoot to kill.

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>>25052622
>Just imagine the argument for me.
I literally can't. I cannot understand how someone can see it as murder rather than self-defense to kill someone in a situation where they are actively killing you without knowing or intending to, and your only way to get them to stop is to kill them. It doesn't make any sense whatsoever.

>>25052627
Talking about ethics rather than law. Also the argument stemmed from abortion and whether or not someone who views a fetus as human life can support abortion if the pregnancy endangers the life of the mother.

>>25052627 (Me)
Oh and if you have a weapon you always try to deescalate and escape. As well as if you get into a fight and someone attempts to pull your weapon off of you, that in many places, gives you a rightful fear of life to then pull on them.
Of course, always follow your local laws and not all laws on this are uniform across the country.
>>25052630
>Also the argument stemmed from abortion and whether or not someone who views a fetus as human life can support abortion if the pregnancy endangers the life of the mother.
I generally don't argue those kinds of details because it a 1 in a million case with no real correct answer.

>>25052634
>I generally don't argue those kinds of details because it a 1 in a million case with no real correct answer.
I'm unable to see it being self-defense as anything other than the correct answer.

>>25052630
Hate to break it to you, but you have autism, and if you genuinely wanted to know from a crazed sexual internet arguement haver, you should have asked nicely. But like, for real on the autism part. Being unable to see the other side in any capacity is a sure fire sign. I am not invested in either outcome, I mostly wanted to argue and am of a more advanced arguement belt than you so I knew it'd be an easy win with 3 hours of follow up shitposting, but my gay country literally has dumb faggot laws about this sort of thing if you need a reference to boost your EXP.

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Clever girl.

>>25052636
Well here's the thing people could argue:
>The woman can always have a less dangerous pregnancy.
Which is correct, its a fucked situation, but the couple can always try again and its honestly reasonable take, even if you are against abortion.
>If the child can survive but the mother dies, allow it.
Its hard to really gauge this but there are some people, including mothers, who would rather die than abort their baby which I understand as well. But I'm willing to bet that's a minority of people and people who are deeply religious, which of course, is their choice. There are some woman who risk the child and don't have c-sections because they see it as unnatural of also have religious prohibitions against it.

It's ultimately hard to legislate because everyone stands differently on it and like I said, there is no real good or true answer to that. You could just leave it up to the Father while the Mother is in labor, but that leaves the Mother out of the decision process and during labor isn't really a good time to ask and she most likely will make a brash decision while not thinking about it because having a baby is painful as fuck.

>>25052645
>park there anyway
>get tires popped
>call police
>say I didn't see the sign
>karen goes to jail for being an entitled retard

>>25052640
I mean, I'm able to understand opposing views if they make sense or are at least elaborated upon. But neither the original guy or you are elaborating, and it sure as shit isn't clear.
>but my gay country literally has dumb faggot laws about this sort of thing if you need a reference to boost your EXP.
By all means.

>>25052650
I mean, you can choose to let someone kill you in any other self-defense scenario too. It doesn't impact the ethical question.

>>25052630
Wait are you saying that aborting the baby because its a dangerous pregnancy is "self-defense"? Because it clearly isn't...

>>25052658
You could, that's a pacifistic option and its a personal choice.

>>25052659
Yes and it clearly is.
If the fetus is threatening the life of the mother, then she is defending herself to abort. Therefore you can be pro-life and still be in favor of abortion in exceptions where the mother's life is in danger.

I redeemed myself with pussy

I'm removing my introns.

>>25052664
No, its not. That's not how legal definitions work...

>>25052673
For the third fucking time we're talking ethics not legality.
A legal solution to the ethical problem would be to permit abortion in instances where medical professionals can verify the mother's life is at risk if the pregnancy is allowed to continue. But that's only if you view it as ethically self-defense, which I argue it is and cannot envision an argument where it isn't.

>>25052678
Anon... How can a fetus be an aggressor?

>>25052680
By directly causing the death of it's mother if it isn't aborted.

>>25052681
So then the fetus has morality before it was born? Would the child be considered a murderer? If the parents chose to have the kid anyway and the Mom died would you consider the child is guilty of manslaughter?
I feel like you are falling into the dog bite fallacy.

>>25052656
I'm in bed with my V8 my guy. Anyways, I AM NOT ARGUING JUST STATING THE ARGUMENT I NEED TO SLEEP but in my country, the logic is you have a responsibility to leave the situation and use reasonable force as a last resort. If your life is threatened you have a duty to retreat, and any retaliation can be litigated in a similar way to the assault itself, because the idea is you should call the cops and let professionals handle the situation. Security had the same provision; I can hip toss a guy with a knife, cant spiral fracture his arm by stepping on him afterwards, and if I do, I could be held accountable for the damages because the use of force was not proportionate to the harm or the threat inflicted. This is why you always shoot someone below the waist; that way the lawyer cant say it was attempted murder in the countersuit.

>>25052685
It doesn't have morality; the argument is that the aggressor does not need agency for it to be self-defense.

>>25052688
So then why do we sue the dog owner and not the dog itself when you get a dog bite?

>>25052691
Dog got no money.

>>25052688
If something doesn't have agency how does it have a morality?

>>25052693
But the dog owner didn't bite me, the dog did. It would be morally wrong to sue someone who did nothing to me.

>>25052691
Because dogs don't have money while owners do. A suit against a dog wouldn't net you anything.

>>25052694
I just said it doesn't have morality. An aggressor does not need agency or morality for it to be self-defense.

>>25052698
>Because dogs don't have money while owners do. A suit against a dog wouldn't net you anything.
see >>25052697

>>25052698
So then you aren't talking about universal morality you are talking about biased morality from the observer, which is an artificial schema of the world that sentient beings enforce onto reality.

>>25052697
This is a silly argument and has nothing to do with morality or ethics, it has to do with compensation for damages, and a dog has no money, but the person responsible for it does. Same with an employer employee. Same with a parent and their kid. And quoting yourself is bad form, especially saying dumbass nonsense.

>>25052702
>Imagine when you look up greatest mass murderer in the future and it comes back with a sun that super nova and killed a whole planet of people instead of Hitler, Stalin, or Mao.

>>25052701
Suing an owner for their dog biting you could be unethical for sure. It's ethical if the owner knew the dog was dangerous and put you in harms way, but if it was a freak accident then it would be unethical to sue despite it being legal.

>>25052702
You lost me. I'm not sure what train of logic you're trying to use, but I'm pretty sure a fetus isn't considered a person in it so the argument would be pointless anyway.

>>25052703
You sue someone because something wrong was done to you, you aren't allowed to get compensated for damages unless the owner bites you.

>>25052704
The sun isn't alive. A fetus is.
The sun could be the deadliest killer but not the deadliest murderer.

>>25052709
Does an object need to be alive to have morality?

>>25052707
Says who? It is literally the opposite. Right and wrong are irrelevant, a suit is about resitution, otherwise you press charges and put whoever in jail if they wronged you. Or they get ordered to oay a fine, but the wronged party doesnt get that cash.

You appear to know nothing about this, why are you arguing?

>>25052710
Again, whatever train of logic you're using negates the point of the argument, since it seems you're trying to establish a fetus isn't a person, which is prerequisite for the argument to be had.

Let me dumb it down for you. If you end up trapped in a trash compactor, and an oblivious worker is operating the controls and crushing you without noticing, and can't hear you due to sound proof glass, but you have a gun and a clear shot at him, is it ethically self-defense to shoot him?

>>25052706
>You lost me.
There is universal truth and personal truth. Biased morality is when the observer (the party that can think and reason) observes the world and witnesses an event to then they judge the event and the parties in it as bad. If you watched your prized hen get eaten by a fox, for example, you would label the fox as bad or even evil.
Meanwhile the fox has no capacity for such concepts, or human laws, or what he is "allowed and not allowed" to eat by the person. He simply saw a bird in a cage, was hungry, and exploited it.

>>25052715
Depends, is the trash compactor a moral being for having to squish me?

>>25052714
>a suit is about resitution
Yes, a restoration to the condition you were in BEFORE you were wronged.

>>25052717
I am talking about universal morality. If the fox were a being that didn't require sustenance but killed your hen anyway out of instinct, the hen would be defending itself if it killed the fox rather than let itself be killed.
So to with the fetus and the mother. The fetus has no agency or morality, but will kill the mother if she does not kill it. That makes it self-defense.

>>25052719
Are you giving up or is that a serious question? Either way I think you just threw this, because the construction worker is the fetus in this analogy, not the trash compactor.

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>>25052720
Yes. The wrong doesnt have to be moral or ethical for there to be damages that ought to be paid, there just have to be damages. Wronged has very little to do with it. You have wronged me by being an idiot, ethically the pedantics of your argument and the metacognition about your capacity to engage in the arguement have wasted my finite time on this planet and mildly shortened my life. Cant sue you.

>>25051707
Can't wait for YouTubers to get killed it's going to be really satisfying

>>25052723
>The fetus has no agency or morality, but will kill the mother if she does not kill it. That makes it self-defense.
Babies eventually need to be born though which conflicts with:
>If the fox were a being that didn't require sustenance but killed your hen anyway out of instinct

is being obnoxious a hard requirement of being an indie author?

>>25052729
That's a fair point (and I'm relieved to see one), but even if a fox needed to eat a hen to survive, would the hen not be defending itself to kill the fox trying to kill it?
Hunger is what causes the fox to kill, and birth complications are what cause the baby to kill, but the hen and the mother are still defend themselves, making it self-defense, no?

>>25052730
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Posting on 4chan gives me FOMO. Then I'm stuck for hours.

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We live in a digital world. What does fiction look like set in it? Mr. Robot?

I wish it was the 60s I wish we could be happy

I've reached a level of loneliness and touch starvation where if a guy hit on me or tried to pick me up I'd probably just let him since it would be more human contact and intimacy than I've ever head before
I'm not gay, I just don't think I can be a chooser

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>>25052783
>I'm not gay
well I got news for you buddy

>>25052787
I'm too tired and lonely to care about such things anymore

>>25052793
I'm too bald to talk to you.

>>25052794
kek, imagine saying that to someone.

Fuck i left my coffee on the stove last night
It didn't burn because there was enough liquid left but i'm too retarded to live

>>25052800
Do you live somewhere poor? Like who is leaving their stove on to keep the coffee hot.

>>25052803
Anyone with a stovetop percolator?
>tfw live somewhere so coffee deprived I had to import the coffee pot from the states because they don't exist here

>>25052794
lol

I whip my dick back'n'forth

Anyone know of any good books to read after Ghost Wars that lay out the hunt for Osama bin Laden up to his capture & killing? Ghost Wars is really good but it only goes up to 2001 and I want a nice, relatively concise book covering the entire hunt for bin Laden. I've heard a book called Blackwater is good but I'm not sure if that's exactly what it covers. Any ideas?

>>25052848
It's not strictly about the hunt for UBL but Relentless Strike is all about the history of JSOC.