What do we do about guys who only read the bible and Warhammer 40k novels
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>>2521253540k is like the opposite of christian....I should make a Christian "wargame"
>>25212567There’s one out there already
>>25212535I really like the part in the Bible where Jesus says "suffer not the sorcerer" then takes out his epic flaming chainsword and decapitates Simon Magus. It's almost as good as the part of the gospel where he vaporized the Samaritan woman at the well of Jacob for being a serial adulteress
>>25212588... is it any good?Do they have a cyberpunk version of it set in the Chick Tract Universe?
>>25212606Dude that's be sick. Could Nicolae Carpathia from the Left Behind books be the emperor of cyber-rome?
Praise them. Hate the xenos, the heretics, the mutants, the witches. But enough about a single people the old testament teaches you to hate, let's talk about 40k.
>>25212637Hell yeah
>>25212604Let's not forget Elijah's response to people interrupting his day off - by calling down fire to incinerate them.Also fun fact, 40k's magnus is a dead ringer for the islamic antichrist equivalent of Dajjaal. Jacked, red skin, one eye, wicked sorcerer, barred from certain places, not a complete person, has a giant ass he rides about on. It has a thousand eyes, emits smoke and has plush leather seats (I like to think that the donkey inspired Ahriman).
When my buddy reads stuff i dont know like 40k or car engines he bombards me with "infirmation."After he read the bible i quizzed him and he seemed to have retained very little or not understood much of the material. Now anyone who teaches me anything sounding smart i assume they migh not fucking know shit.
40k ranks low even by genre fiction standards. Chuddies who believe it to be some deep, thoughtful masculine philosophical creed to live by are even more laughable than than booktok girlies demanding their monster rape erotica be taken seriously
I'm not even sure what 40k is. A board game? It seems kind of cool from what I've seen. Are there any novels that are good and would work for a noob like me?
>>25212920It's an table top game setting that got popular with gamers because it has a ton of spinoff video games and the setting's background is easily accessible through youtube video summaries. It can be cool but also sometimes pretty boring because the writing is repetitive even for pulp fantasy standards. It also gets taken out of context a lot by the fans because it rips off a bunch of stuff and the fanboys don't even know what the setting is referencing because they only watch youtube videos and don't read. For "good" 40k I'd recommend the comic bloodquest. It's a pretty awesome story about space marines trying to get a lost sword back. The Redeemer by Pat Mills is also pretty good but everything he writes is gold so of course it is. but you'll probably find more hidden gems if you read french comics like Heavy Metal than by reading Warhammer corposlop.
>>2521253540k novels are written by fags, get action novels written by soldiers>>2521256740k is more Christian than papism. papism has a theory of seven deadly sins which are never found in the Bible and exist because there are 7 virtues, the philosophers prudence justice fortitude temperance and the New Testament faith hope charity. 40k has four demons, khorne of despair in wrath, nurgle of cheering for diseases, tzeentch of magic, slaanesh of excess. the four demons are a more Biblical concept of sin than the seven
>>25212920>Are there any novels that are good and would work for a noob like me?Theres's a big of everything in Warhammer 40,000, even more in to want to get into The Horus Heresy. Check the miniatures, the lore behind them, the videogames, etc., and find your footing in that universe.Space Marines (the face of the IP) are great for videogames, but I'd rather hit my head against a wall before reading a novel based on any chapter.I recommend you to start with The Dark Coil: Damnation & Ascension. Two novels by Peter Fehervari, probably the closest thing to "literature" from the Black Library catalog.The Ciaphas Cain books are fun, closer to the pulpy misadventures of early twentieth century heroes.Read "The Infinite and The Divine" and "The Twice-Dead King" if you get into Necrons.
>>25212637>Christians not making their enemies look cool challenge (impossible)
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>>25213048The Reverie was on my reading list for a while, though I wasn't aware it was part of a series. Second book, no less. Fuck
>>2521292040k contains all other sff universes and is coherent. because it has in universe demons, it has an inquisition
>>25212535Recommend they read some good genre fiction like The Hobbit & LOTR, Dune, and whatever else I haven’t remembered. I’ve enjoyed Neal Asher’s agent cormac series, and David Gemmell
>>25213070If you give them LOTR they'll evolve like a pokémon into a Tolkiendrone who never shuts up about Lord of the Rings. If you give them Dune they'll talk about the "40k vibes" it supposedly has.
>>25213070Book of the New Sun too. I saw someone once describe it as almost what a book set in wh40k universe but on a peaceful world far from battle and taken more seriously would be like.
>>2521280840k literature is best seen as a companion to the gaming, what is known as fluff. Sort of like those books ghostwritten for sportspersons, they’re only really relevant if you’re in some way involved in those sports
>>25212637>>25213055What are these from?
>>25212535The GOP are desperate to sow the seeds of christian nationalism everywhere. This is probably a bot post.
>>25213073Dune subverts the good guy/bad guy dichotomy which is quite a trap for most people. LOTR is just really good and if I have a friend who’s starting to read like the guy in OP that’d probably be the first thing I’d give him, so he can get some taste. The Bible isn’t literature and shouldn’t be seen as such, it’s scripture it’s a different category, but if he’s really getting into theology then that could be good to explore too
>>25213089Could be, so what’s the counter? Teach them about Islam so they don’t want to join the crusade maybe
>>25213074I haven’t read that it’s on my list and I’ve heard good things
>>25213089I can't believe leftards have become this buckbroken: Reduced to the paranoid incomprehension of a klansmen in 2011. I hope you live to see all your dreams die.
>>25213088They're chic tracts https://www.chick.com/The second one is Darkest Dungeons and the first one I forgot the name but it's one of the strips about the new world order (naturally led by the Jesuits and Roman Catholic system who are the origin of all evil in the chicverse)
>>25213088Chick tracts. They were little comic books created by Jack Chick and marketed to church groups to be given away as evangelism material, you can find pretty much all of them online if you search around.. Many were pretty orthodox protestant Christianity but Chick also had some bizarre takes and as a result some of them got pretty crazy. >>25212637 is from The Last Generation and >>25213055 is from Dark Dungeons, both particularly deranged examples.
>>25213125Thoughts on an innocent man running
>>25213128>>25213130You have a board for such things, you plebs >>>/co/
>>25212807What a sad little excuse for friend you are. I would never do that to someone I called a friend. I've had a few stupid friends and I would never condescend to quiz them in an attempt to catch them out. That seems like a sad method of reinforcing your own assumed superiority, and is a sign of deep insecurity.
>>25213097Nah. Like Chinese culture, Islam is one of those things where actually learning about it only breeds contempt.
>>2521304540k is not christian at all. It's a spoof of Roman Catholic Christianity via Torquemada's Termight Empire from Nemesis: The Warlock
>>25213055Believe it or not, modern D&D players are exactly like this image
>>25213070Canticle for Leibowitz is a good Christian scifi story
>>25213151Which one? Marcie, the DM, or the other player?
>>25213089Christian Nationalism is an oxymoron. Christianity commands the love of God and submission to His total Monarchy and love of neighbor. Deference to earthly authorities is a secondary commandment.This is why they try to bend Christianity into some state-religion that can be welded as a scalpel/cudgel or an inoffensive all-tolerating blahh. In its radical form, it would shake the world as it has in the past, dividing parent against child and brother against brother.
>>25213151If only that were true.
>>25213156The other player. A D&D 5.5th edition DM would never have the guts to kill off a player character with a random trap like that. It's not even allowed in the rulebook anymore
>>25213149Nice try but everyone knows that ignorance and contempt of others is cured by understanding. Ask a racist what he doesn’t like about certain people and answer him, they’re always wrong. Islamophobics are notoriously ignorant of Islam, they don’t even know what the articles of faith are
>>25213165No wait, I meantarcie is like the modern player. My bad
>>25213166No one tell xim
>>25213125I am not a leftist but it's pretty obvious. Quit being a fucking retard
>>25213070>>25213074Yikes
>>25213173Lmfao did you add to this recently? I admire your autistic dedication.
>>25213173Thank you for your service
>>25213173Why are you derailing? OP asked for recs, are these books not to be recommended because they’re on your gay list?
>>25213176This version has been around for months.>>25213183Because the books manchildren enjoy aren't even good genre fiction at that.
>>25213189So what books should men read then?
>>25213183Yeah he has a temper tantrum every so often when enough people talk about things he doesn't like. I wonder if it's a woman or just a black homosexual.
>>25212920>I'm not even sure what 40k is. A board game?A setting for a wargame which is just basically every sci fi franchise but plagiarised that's become extremely popular due to its spinoff games and books and has attracted a huge audience of "secondaries", people who have never touched a miniature yet love calling themselves 40k fans. these people are into the setting because it's le edgy crusader theocracy in space
>>25213189>LOTR is not good It’s widely regarded as one of the great novels but ok
>>25213194The CantosUlyssesThe Faerie QueeneRobinson CrusoeIn Search of Lost TimeThe Return of the Native
>>25213198>not a single good bookBased
>>25213197Does it have empowered BIPOC charactes? Does it pass the Bechdel test? Didn't think so, sweetie.
>>25212535>persecution of ChristiansWhy does largest religion act like it's the persecuted minority? Not asking out of spite, genuinely curious.
>>25213196>people who never touched plastic cashgrab toys exlusively targeting autistic manchildrenGood for them
>>25213088Jack Chick is the most fun you'll ever have with religious propaganda that isn't about Yakub
>>25213197A lot of LOTR-fags and Tolkienpurists would also find Blood Meridian and Bakker to be subversive-filth. I'm talking the kind of Tolkienfags that seethe over GRRM.
>>25213198List clearly put together by someone who has never read any of them lol
>>25213203Because the people who rule us are mostly antithetical to the practice of actual Christianity.Why are you so eager to erase memory of Christian persecution?
>>25213196>People who have never touched a miniature yet love calling themselves 40k fansEven 40K players fucking hate GW and miniature prices.
>>25213212>Why are you so eager to erase memory of Christian persecution?Because ur a faggot
>>25213208Who cares, retard? >>25213198LMFAO
>>25213204But it's a "setting" exclusively made for buying plastic toys.Saying you're a fan of 40k without having ever played 40k is like calling yourself a fan of metal gear because you watched a few lore videos on youtube
>>25213214if they actually hated GW they'd find something else to be a fan off by now but it's been literal decades of 40kids bitching about GW and the game is still popular.
>>25213212I have no problem with people remembering it, I just don't like people pretending we're living in Rome 2000 years ago with Nero feeding Christians to lions when Christians are the ones in power and have been for millennia at this point
>>25213225I think that's one of the reasons I don't feel much drive to become a Christian even though my best friend is one and he keeps taking me to church. It feels like a religion that only makes sense if you lived in the roman empire and not modern times.
>>25213198>The CantosHas its heights, and it also has some real lows, not worth reading in its totality.>UlyssesAbsolutely, one of the best pieces of literature ever written.>The Faerie QueenYep. Though it is probably too long for the average fellow, though it is definitely worth the investment of time. It is a masterpiece of English Epic poetry and only bested perhaps by Milton.>Robinson Crusoe Great stuff, I don't care what Swift said. Even if you don't agree with it's worldview or conclusions it's a very entertaining novel. The straightforward, utilitarian prose works in its favour, and it can be read in a day. It doesn't have a great depth, but that is what makes it perfect for a young man who is "getting into reading." Arguably, unlike the other works on your list, it actually is a good recommendation for the prospective man in the OP.>In Search of Lost TimeI haven't read beyond the third volume of the recent(ish) Penguin Modern Classics translation. Its an important work to at least read some of. The way Proust explores the inner world of man, concepts which are difficult to express, in a very artful way, is incredible. I'd love to one day read the French, but I have a lot of language learning obligations before I get there.>The Return of the NativeThe first book on your list that I've never read. I've never read any Hardy, nor do I recall hearing much about this book. Sell it to me, if you would.
There has always been a strong consoomer streak in the 40k crowd. I know it, you know it and the term "primaris paypig" exists for a reason. But lately i've noticed these brandhogs seem to be getting more and more unhinged. I've seen people go on huge tirades that "3d printing is just as bad as nfts" and "not using gw brushes is equal to videogame piracy" or straight up trying to boycott stores giving time to other wargames.Its been no secret 9th hasn't quite been as popular as 8th edition in general and they've made greater and greater pushes to grab a mainstream audience like wizards of the coast but even in visits to warhammer world lately there is even a growing visual difference between the people playing 40k and the neckbeards playing their age of sigmar or necromunda or whatever. Its no longer the bearded, wallet chained, metal hoody attired social detritus rolling dice, drinking a pint and screaming "for the emprah!" as people try not the cringe. Its clean cut, polo shirt wearing "gamer dads" with apple watches, slacks and leather shoes getting angry at their ipads as they all play with greytide or mono colour airbrushed netlists.Is it really as simple as the 40k audience going through what the magic and D&D crowds did? These brand loyalty, highly strung and short tempered whales don't seem to enjoy the game or painting as much as getting mad at shadows. I can't be the only one noticing this getting worse and the 40k crowd as a whole getting more short fused and whiny with a "space marine oc avatar" being the equivalent mark of shame to /v/'s "person with a goomba oc avatar". Whats up?
>>25212535Give them the biggest guns we can find, the dumbest armour we can find, and let them hunt billionaires for sport. We all win.
>>25213230That's because their holy texts stop updating during that time period and were addressing concerns of that time and place, just like how Muslim holy texts only respond to shit that was going on 1400 years ago.
>>25213218It's just odd the anti-manchild schizo lumps in Tolkien with fucking McCarthy and Bakker when their works and fans are completely different.
>>25212808>40k ranks low even by genre fiction standards. Chuddies who believe it to be some deep, thoughtful masculine philosophical creed to live by are even more laughable than than booktok girlies demanding their monster rape erotica be taken seriously...because they're not written by actual writers. Games Workshop never hires outside of the company when it comes to their books. They're written by a handful of "industry veterans" who are some of the most immature, edgy, limited men you could ever hope to come across. Add to this the fact that these writers have to promote the latest plastic toys GM is putting out, and you have a recipe for guaranteed banality.40K was fun when it was mostly just the rule book, Index Astartes, and the wafer-thin Codices. This left a great deal up to the imagination and allowed hobbyists to imprint their ideas onto the narrative. Mystery is always preferable to even above-average writing for this reason. But Games Workshop couldn't have that. They wanted to milk the setting for everything it was worth, whilst also ensuring that customers couldn't get too creative with what GW viewed as "their product" first and foremost. So now we have the commercial, stunted garbage you see before you in the form of endless audiobooks, anthologies, and one-shots.Honestly, GW fanboys are worse than Marvel drones at this point. At least the directors for the Marvel films still have to be somewhat competent from a technical standpoint to ensure a return on investment. GW drones will literally eat shit whilst screaming at anyone who dares to point this out to them
>>25213222There are millions of sports fans that outright refuse to ever play the sports they love watching. The bar for gatekeeping is not exactly high outside autistically close-knit fandoms I guess?
>>25212567>implying waging ruthless war under the banner of a god against heretics isn't Christian
>>25213230religion, all religion, is based on faith. If you don’t inwardly believe in the tenets of Christianity you aren’t a Christian. If you don’t know what Christians believe then you can’t know that you aren’t a Christian. Religion isn’t a scene or a subculture
>>25213233You are an obese male
>>25213233Literally who cares
>>25213233GW isn't selling a game anymore, they're selling the "40k fantasy" normies heard about through social media influencers. Nevermind the actual setting is pretty shallow and just exists to give your guys a reason to fight.
>>25213240There are two strands of Manchildren, on one hand tradcath LARP manchildren who are into tolkien and wolfe and lafferty and on the other edgelords who are into mccarthy and bakker and harrison
>>25213244>>25213244Dan Abnett has written Marvel Comics as well as Warhammer novels!
>>25213257What about my weeb strand of fatlus fans?
>>25213237Which is why there’s jurisprudence for things that weren’t explicitly covered at the time those religions were “living”. There are also degrees to which things will either be permitted or forbidden, there can be context. In a lot of situations the new things aren’t actually that new, like for example amplified speech on radio the only new thing about it is the attainable range. Then there’s other things like whether Kangaroo is halal
>>25213260He's the only Warhammer writer that can write half a damn so I won't hold that against him.
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>>25213233>There has always been a strong consoomer streak in the 40k crowd.Oh absolutely, to an insane degree. I got back into 40k for the first time since young childhood (8-10 years old) in 2024. I bought a combat patrol and a handful of sets, had a blast painting everything in a few months and that was it, played some games with my singular friend that doesn't thing playing with toys is gay. When I was looking for painting inspiration on Plebbit of all places, every Warhammer sub reddit was filled with posts with thousands of updoots of "people" that just wanted to consoom. Posts of huge armies completely unpainted, just a big old pile of grey plastic. Then you had the posts where it would just be a photo of like 50 boxes (like your picrel) and the OP would say something like>So I just did a thing!Or >Just got into 40k yesterday, just dropped $4000 at GWThese kind of posts were everywhere, with extremely high numbers of epic updoots and rewards. Some commenters would push back against the grey armies and bulk box boasters that were never going to paint anything and put it all on eBay in a few months. But the majority of commenters would argue with those commenters with things like>Why would you care what another man does with his hobby?>I love building them and hate painting! Some people have disabilities that prevent them from being able to paint >I just like owning the boxes on my shelf.
>>25213272where does it say in the bible that a world government is bad?
>>25213125>paranoid incomprehension of a klansmencarpetbaggers jews sodomites did ruin everything. but the klan wasnt aware of feminism
>>25213125He's right, though. What do you think PragerU was about?
>>25213272>>25213276Stop posting comics in /lit/
>>25213288Vatican city IP
>>252132801 John 5:19 comes to mind.
>>25213288No.
>>25213278>Just got into 40k yesterday, just dropped $4000 at GWThese people are the reason why I can afford miniatures. Sooner or later those piles of grey plastic end up online, for less than retail price.
>>25213291>>25213299Respect my board or there will be consequences
>>25213295That has nothing to do with a world government. Christians are already under a government. Being under a larger government doesn't change that.
>>25213278You're spot on. And as a result Games Workshop have learned to cater to that market. It will come as a surprise to people only getting into warhammer now how cheap miniatures used to be, how you could order any part for a miniature you wanted (heads, legs, arms, etc) from GW directly instead of having to buy a seperate box or order second hand from ebay or the types of people that used to play warhammer who now don't. Children actually used to be into warhammer because it was fairly cheap to buy with the pocket money your parents give you and it was common to see young chavs in tracksuits in a games workshop but that's all gone now. It's almost excusively the domain of middle class nerd consumers
>>25213361I had HeroQuest when I was 10 or 11. Really good, only played it a few times because it was difficult finding a few people to play with. Didn’t even think of painting the minis although I used to paint those 1/72 scale military figures around that time
>>25212535>40k>ChristianTourist whose only exposition to 40k is youtube shorts and videogames. If this faggot ever cared to touch a single 40k book he'd see that there is a constant theme and messaging about religion as a whole being detrimental to humanity and that emperor himself is an atheist
>>25213397Ahem.
