>>25373502
A male "whore of Babylon" could be a Chad, who sleeps with the Antichrist and then tosses her aside, and maybe she goes all Jodi Arias on him.

Picked up a copy of Aristotle's poetics on a lark, gonna start reading it once I get off of work. Just wondering if anyone else here has read it and found it useful?

Decided I'm going to try following this guy's "process" for my second draft.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3oX7Phbkj_w
Been going through reading all the shit I have so far and making lots of notes. I may be starting to understand... subtext. I have a lot of fucking conversations to rewrite.

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Trying to do smaller, more manageable stories

I want my boy puss to be mercilessly pounded by chads until I’m turned to a cum rag.

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>>25373547

What if book said revenge good?

>>25373594
Pretty sure that revenge is a standard trope in fiction.

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>>25373547
>>25373561
quirk chungus is what springs to mind. you're not faulkner, so knock it off with the paragraph by paragraph time skipping

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>>25373561

>>25373547
>>25373561
>>25373666
You are certainly capturing the vibe of weird Christian homeschooled person.

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>>25373738
an eight year old homeschooled kid maybe

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>>25373639
>"You're not ____"
let a nigga be unconventional god damn

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>>25373840
Finally, an anecdote I forgot to work into the earlier parts: I knew a guy who did his high school stuff with the Abeka curriculum. You watch recorded lectures from a Christian high school in Florida. He would watch the videos on the computer rather than the DVD player in the living room so he could take screenshots of the most attractive girls

Well we’re off to a terrible start

>>25373920
Does /wg/ start any other way?

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Hope readers like some of the beats I added to The Chemical Divorce. I think they're funny, but I have a warped sense of humor.

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Here you go, you can steal my idea. Or would it be better to have one long story but tie in reincarnation into it?

>>25374042
Yeah, bud, you're real sick and twisted

>>25374045
if it's one big story with hints of reincarnation it would be a better story

>>25374045
Isn't this the Georgia story?

>>25374042
try making it more compact: "Don't leer at me. I'm no Satanist... etc"

>>25373840
why are you clitty blasting the return key?

I just got home from some girl's house.

I went full incel meltdown while watching Family Guy on her couch. I still got some cuddles out of it, so I guess that counts for something.

I'll dramatize it eventually.

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I just got home from some girl's house.

I went full incel meltdown while watching Family Guy on her couch. I still got some cuddles out of it, so I guess that counts for something.

I'll dramatize it eventually, but here's this for now.

>>25374315
>>25374319
Fuck it mods, I tried to delete the original. It is writing related. Don't ban me please. This is the only community I have.

>>25374319
tf is this nigger shit

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I just finished my first draft after 4 months. I'll spend the entirety of July editing it. I'll try to make it so the final draft is at least 70,000 words. But first I'm gonna go for a midnight stroll and then prolly spend the rest of the day watching anime. I've spent so long on this, so I can take a short break and start the editing process tomorrow.

>>25374319
“Sheeeeeeit,” Darkie says, after he takes a hit from the glass pipe, “did you jus’ hear what dis white nigga be sayin’?”
“Naw, naw, naw, naw,” his friend, the pavement ape with the especially dull expression whose name I certainly have no interest in learning, says. “That’s some booolsheeit.”
“Nah, nigga,” says Darkie, “dat’s science, nigguh- Real science.”
Darkie takes another hit and blows out a cloud of skunky, low grade stems and seeds. He begins coughing, and then his overlarge, baggy pants start to fall down. Fortunately, he saves everyone within eyeshot a cup of medicinal grade brain bleach when he manages to catch them part way.
“So how much we getting’ back?” asks his Shaniqua. “Nigga, knock dat shit off.” She smacks one of her revolting little nigglets. Ironically, it was the one that had been mostly minding it’s business by staring at the ground, open mouthed, but it was also the one closest to her. She smacks it again, and it starts to wail.
“With the child tax credit, included,” I say, “you’re going to be getting about six thousand back.”
Jungle beats start emanating from a piece of technology they have no business having, and the pack of animals breaks out into whoops.
Fucking niggers.

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>Creative writing professor gave me a lower critique score because I called it the "Gulf of America" in my story

I knew I shouldn't rock the boat

>>25374475
Both sides are aggressive in their desire to warp the english language to fit their ideology/political platform

>>25374475
serves you right for playing with useless performative bullshit

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Ahh, getting back into it.

They call me sad boy. They do this because they’re simple. Sad is a convenient one syllable word their smooth brains can process. But I am more than sad. I am three syllable suffering. And I am no boy. I am a man. For I have had my bar mitzvah.
That’s right. I suffer because of antisemitism. Another multi-syllable brain bender that the dumb can’t comprehend. Nor can they understand countless generations of suffering for one’s faith.
I shall teach them.

>>25374545
If it doesn’t matter, why lower his grade down?

>>25374045
Reddit atheist fantasy of "I'll abandon God as long as I get my foid"

You have to be 18 to post here

>>25374400
what program is that

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Decided to sit down and start the
>creepypasta
that's been in my head for a while now.

>>25374733
Hate the current presentation, love the insistence of 'manslaughtered', confused by his belief that people don't die with no immediately clear reason all the time, interested to find out why and how the friends were manipulated.

>>25374704
lexisanalytica.vercel.app

>>25374662
if it mattered, why challenge long-established practice? especially knowing that it is controversial ?

>>25374843
For the same reason people want you to say Turkyie instead of Turkey.

>>25374681
Many stories tell such a premise

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when i started writing this project, I only had basic plot in mind. I didn't really have any ideas for a deeper theme, or meaning, or subtext... but now I think I might have too many...

>>25374847
Quantity does not mean quality.

>>25374974
This happens to me, just remember to focus on characters and the excess will fall away as you find better ways to convey ideas more concisely through dialogue and character conflict. The reader can extract a lot themselves from vague hints. To me it’s like 60-70% spelling it out for the reader and the remainder is filled in with inference and imagination.

>>25374974
I feel it’s very important to have a theme in mind when you’re writing. So many people just ejaculate stories where things happen but nothing matters.

What do you want your reader to think or reflect on after reading your story? If you’re writing a pulp adventure story, it’s okay to write “cool things are cool” but hopefully you’re not that droll.

>>25375026
>>25375034
I already completed the first draft which only had vague hints of a theme, but I went into it without anything concrete. As I've been rereading it though, thinking, and preparing to rewrite, a lot of ideas were hitting me. While I was in the shower, just now, I kind of realized that they actually all coalesce into a common theme, so that's what I'm going to go with. I didn't realize it at first, but it's something reflected on both the protagonist's side and the antagonists, though in different ways. The overall plot will mostly stay the same, but I do need to make some changes.

>>25375087
What are the themes? Always interested in what type of symbolism and themes people are using in contemporary writing.

>>25375138
>>25375034

Can pure escapism be a theme? I’m writing a military science fiction where the main character is a reflection of the author except if he was brave and cool and lucky.

>>25375138
A classic young versus old thing, but how today, at a societal level, the old see and use the young as disposable resources

>>25375186
Why would you do that to yourself?

>>25375186
Yes, definitely. It leads to questions about what is being escaped and why, even if for mundane reasons.
>>25375188
People used to fear the young

>>25375276
>why is dialogue so difficult to write
because to be able to choose the right words to convey the right nuances, writers have to know what precisely those nuances are, and most of the time they don't

>>25375276
This dialogue is overwritten

>>25375491
What do you mean by overwritten?

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>>25375276
It isn't, but because the spoken/written word is 99.9% of your interaction with other people and 100% of your medium as writing it is necessarily the thing you are most familiar with. You are going to be prone to place an inordinate amount of importance on prose in general and dialogue in particular and always sense something "wrong" with it. The urge to improve upon it and obsess upon it is the exact same instinct you have when remembering a conversation from earlier in the day and obsessing over what you may have said better or more wittily. You are always right, you could have done it better.

Understand that this is perpetual and you will NEVER reach some mythical end-point where your dialogue is perfect because speech is like the speed of light or the goodness of God. The gap between anything less than perfection and perfection is infinite, from perfection downwards the difference between the Eye of Argon and Proust is infinitessimal, even if from the down up it may seem as though you have made some significant advance by mastering some usage of aphorism or descriptive metaphor, or capturing the cadance of a character's mississippi drawl. To measure yourself against the absolute is to be found wanting regardless of your actual abilities.

Do not allow this to rule you. Rather, accept that not only are you going to get better and look back on your own words and see flaws in them throughout your life, but in fact that this is going to happen in between sentences you write now and ten minutes from now, and if you spend all of your time attempting to update your work to your current level of aptitude you will in fact spent your entire life abandoning new work in favor of polishing old over and over like a rimworld character with hauling set to highest priority producing one block of concrete and hauling it 10 meters at a time instead of producing ten blocks and then hauling them all at once.

It is MUCH more important that you pack the concrete than that you haul it to the storage area. That is what we have slaves for, Anon. Just keep writing.

>>25375521
>>25375566
Not sure which is the anon for this, but you have dialogue that doesn't add anything and dialogue that can be changed to character action instead.

>"Config's loaded. What's next?" Talwen asked.
>"Are you humoring me? You clearly look like you know what you're doing."
Next SKIP HIS ADMISSION and instead say something like-
>He smiled coyly, then searched around as he tried to find his bearings and motioned for a helmet. Carmen flipped a yellow switch in front of him and the mecha's head popped up. Talwen lifted the helmet from his head and laughed.

You can skip most of what you have and let the reader infer this 'playful' dynamic of someone being in and out of their element at the same time with action instead. I know it seems counter-intuitive.

>"It's a bit different from what you're used to, isn't it?" Carmen grabbed his arm and pulled it to the control sockets where he reached in and felt the joysticks.
"You'll feel two buttons near your right thumb, the round one activates restraints, the other activates the TC controls."
>Talwen looked at her. "Wouldn't a normal horse have been easier than building something like this?"
>"A normal horse can't see infrared." Carmen winked.
If you limit your reasons to something short and sharp like that last bit, it's way more than enough for the reader to get the idea that this isn't a normal horse. The rest is discovered through actual action of the mech in later scenes.

You can skip the whole "Fair enough" and following paragraph, it's already implied he has the helmet. Reader doesn't need to know any more switches have been flicked.
>Carmen leaned down to his helmet mic and spoke to someone on the other end. "Ok we're ready for activation. All clear?"
>The chief, who had been observing them responded, laughing. "You sure he's ready?" Then a mechanical whirring sounded as the mech was unlatched and switched to its own power systems. "All clear!"

The comment about the restraints being tight doesn't add anything, you can leave it out, reads more like anime dialogue and you're not writing a tv show.

>Talwen felt his nerves rising and let out a deep breath. Carmen was still standing to his side. His training returned to him as he focused and spoke into the comms again. "Clear to engage TC controls?"
>"All clear, ready for rollout!" The chief responded.
>Talwen positioned his thumb and punched the controls button as a wavev of sensory input crarshed into him like a freezing wave. etc. etc.
>"Hell of a shock isn't it?" Carmen said, clapping. He could see the other engineers cheering outside. "Now pull up your coordinates and let's get this show on the road."
>Talwen located his position on the HUD indicated by a small red dot and gave the thumbs up.
>"Aaalright, bay is clear, position confirmed, launch at your discretion." The chief replied one last time before Rigalio slapped the horse's flank, etc. etc.

Ok that's enough I don't like the implications here. Hopefully you get the idea.

Finally!
After several months I finished the draft for the "short" story I was working on.
Or at least the first draft.

Still have to give it a really good looking over to clean up any obvious mistakes and maybe throw it in a TTS program to listen for wonky sounding sentences that need editing.
But after that I can post it around a bit for feedback. It's been so fucking long since I had any sort of feedback since it's rare for me to complete anything. That said, it's 11553 words, which is more than I planned and probably needs to be edited down. Though I don't want to make drastic cuts without getting feedback first.

Brain is spent. Going to take a nap then edit it with fresh eyes.
If it doesn't require any major revisions then I can just hop into my next story idea. Or might take a week or two writing properly actually short stories.

>>25375700
A lot of that is editing though, not necessarily what you need to worry about on a first draft. So I’d hold off on that type of revision until after you have the complete story down.

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i do apologize for barging in on a thread i likely do not belong in, but would any of you mind briefly skimming through these excerpts?

mainly wrote them while bored last semester, they are absolutely not intended to be even tenuously coherent. in fact, the run-on sentence format is something i imposed as a deliberate engineering constraint. but i liked writing them, after months of stress-testing LLMs i decided to make the most asinine/deranged ones i could.

a few people have said they seem somewhat similar (in spirit) to thomas pynchon's stuff, which seems a bit far-fetched to me. but i know nothing about literature. anyway, i'm merely wondering if there's even a dull-red ember of potential in these (considering i have no experience). at least... as a hobby. maybe i'm huffing my own farts.

these are not easy to process, or (more aptly) parse, but here:
https://files.catbox.moe/68rlj1.txt
https://files.catbox.moe/pgggly.txt
https://files.catbox.moe/f3e5ni.txt

>"My idea is amazing, I'd kill it if I ever bother to actually write"
>the idea: >>25374045

>>25375818
They’re certainly strings of words. What are you wondering exactly?

How serendipitous: just when I make my novella into an audiobook, Amazon introduces an "all you can listen" program (Audible Plus). When I use Audible I'm always hesitant to spend my monthly credit on a short audiobook so this feels auspicious, might attract some listeners. Apparently it's somewhat curated, too. I'm waiting to hear back from their QA team now.

>>25375818
Unreadable

>>25375919
I am an ideas guy

>>25376030
someday you'll have a good one

>>25376030
Ideas are nice but having them without writing them is like having a hot GF who you never actually hang out with

>>25376030
>all I can write are plunnies

>>25375951
>just when I make my novella into an audiobook
I assume you used AI. How much revision did you have to do to correct pronumnciations?

>>25376678
You've made an ass out of you and me

>>25375228
Because I like writing cool adventure stories where I’m the hero

Who tells you what to write I’m waiting

>>25376908
My mom and /wg/

>>25376908
The voices

No no. No. I want sexxo now. I feel like a circularity of upward reason just pumping energy into the procedural stick. I have it. I collected all the remnants and now I have it and it has a shape of water in the cubicle. And it's cold and doing things to my ballsy venture. I keep it close. Always. Now the pieces are indoctrinated well and ready to rumble. I have the tickets and the fire exit if it gets messy. But no firemen on duty. So it's like not having a plan B. But only plan Coco. Yes. I have the Coco plus plan. And I am with the bear and he tells me to go for it. So. Can I touch you where it's really warm?

>>25376972
There is literature, and there is this, which is the antithesis of it. Like the graffiti of a retard, excreta upon drywall.

>>25376977

You sound like you eat Ezra Pounds in the morning and then make everybody you meet pay for it. Grab some bear dick my friend.

>>25374974
You could always make it a series. Hint at some of the ideas in one work, then wait to develop them in one of the many sequels. Or just go full web novel.
>>25375186
Wish fulfillment is a venerable theme. Don't forget to throw in some redemption. The normies eat that shit up.

>>25377019
I think I may have misrepresented the work. It’s wish fulfillment only if you personally know me. Otherwise it’s just your average run of the mill military sci fi from TOR during the 80s.

The main character isn’t really getting his wish fulfilled. It’s me as the author living out a wish.

>>25377042
Still, the feeling of your wish fulfillment will permeate the work, and people will react to it subconsciously. Pretty much the idea situation, really. Lean into it!

Is there a way to properly execute an early positive tone shift in a fantasy book that deals with heavy themes? The first two chapters of my book set up the protagonist's internal struggles with tragedies that reflect themselves across the book, but I want the bulk of it to have some humor and lightheartedness otherwise.

>>25377044
Alright, I’ll give that some thought. Or maybe I shouldn’t give it thought and just let it subconsciously come through.

>>25377048
Have severely depressing overarching theme with moments of humor and lightheartedness.

You are legit retarded if you do it any other way.

>>25377049
either way you're thinking about it.

>>25377048
black humor is a thing. if you are doing comedy I would certainly not recommend having your first chapters be a big, sweltering cryfest

Even: I write
Odd: I beta read

>>25375818
Post modernism was always gay

As the cop pulled up by my window, I grabbed a blanket to hide her body.
"Somethin' the matter?".
"Uh, none officer." There. Her scars are now covered.
"Well, you're driving said otherwise." He tapped my window. "Do you have any weapons?"
He's got a stare that'll pierce your skull, and a trimmed haircut. This looks like a guy who'll do his job well.
If he was there, maybe he could have handled it.

My hand brushed my sheathed blade. "No officer."
He sniffed. "You've been drinking?" He scanned my car and looked at the blanket.
I did my best to look at her, and not the back. Of the Youngin. The drunk. The idiot. I can still smell the vomit on her shirt. I wish she can stand up and clean it.
She laughed at us. Called us backwater. Called us simple. I offered free beer. She poured it over my head.

"Oh, uh, well..." Does he know that she's missing? If he did, would he think it's me?
"She's, my daughter. She was out partying," I tried to laugh, but just let one snort come out, "you know how it is."
"I don't. Mind giving me your license?"

***

"Interesting," he said, "All your children are,"
"Well, you see, it's-"
"And we have a missin student. College age. Not from around here."
"How, sad." I glared at him, just to stop from lookin back.
Even in the dark, the dashboard light helped me see his brown, tired eyes.

"Last seen at a bar. Hard drinker. You probably know the type."
I gripped the knife. "I don't know nothing about that."
He smiled. "You're right." He handed my license back. "Me neither."
He walked back to his car and drove off. I stared at his taillights, as they lit up the night-blue highway.

>>25377523
It's not the most clear what he's trying to hide and what's actually hidden. I also don't know why the officer says "interesting, all your children are." Then they go yapping about missing students out of nowhere? The connection isn't obvious and it sounds like the officer is just rambling because he doesn't have any friends. And the last description doesn't seem to achieve anything other than saying the officer left. Are you trying to make the officer or car or nighttime look cool for some reason, or are you just flexing your ability to describe shit?

How the FUCK does that one anon say he wrote like 4k words "today"? My book is only at 2k, and it's taken me weeks to put I that much together. Do you think he's any good?

>>25377992
>Do you think he's any good?
No, probably not. But you're probably not any good either.

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>>25377147
>big, sweltering cryfest

zoom zooms don't know about much else

I stopped writing five years ago because I wrote a book and it sucked it wasn’t even salvageable through editing what do I do

>>25378043
start learning writing 101 five years ago

>>25378012
Oh, yeah? What if I told you the book is about four fated heroes on a global conquest to stop the demon lord from taking over the world? What then, huh? Are you gonna kill yourself over how wrong you were about me?

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>>25378066
>he only writes 30 words a day

>>25377992
>book
>2000 words
m8

>>25378083
>>25378202
Wrote the 1st thousand words months ago, started writing again yesterday. More like 500 words/day

>>25378209
I normally hit from 500 to 1k words per day when I write, but I have difficulty focusing for long and writing drains my brain energy a lot. if I were a normal person with a standard work ethic, I think 4k per day might be reasonable

>>25378066
>a global conquest to stop the demon lord from taking over the world
Oh look another Trump allegory *yawn*

>>25377992
Maybe he has a detailed outline so knows exactly what he needs to write and it's just a matter of tying it out.

I can write a decent 2k words in a good writing session BUT I can only have such a session once a week due to having to work for a living. I suspect I could probably crank out more if I actually outlined scenes during the week, but whatever.

Because I can only seriously write once a week drafting takes me months for longer projects.
Just have to deal with whatever pace you can keep up consistently, then not give up even if it will take awhile.

>>25377992
or maybe he was lying. retards

>>25377992
there are web publications out there with millions of words averaging 3-4,000 words a day
are they any good?
lol

the average big-name, full-time, NYT-bestselling author peaks at 2,000 words of manuscript a day, and that might get slashed down with editing
most don't achieve that much

>>25378384
That seems like a low-output cope. You could probably get to 4K daily too if you had no job and maybe did some Adderall

I used to browse about a year ago, and people actually posted their writing a lot more back then. What happened? Also, I wonder if that guy who wrote some fiction that referenced czech new wave cinema is still on this board, would be curious to see more of his writing. I believe he was posting sometime last September/October.

>>25377992
>>25378384
>>25378491
I literally wrote 66k over last month.

>>25378491
I miss adderall so much sometimes.
Most of what I used it for was just getting through shit butt classes that ultimately didn't matter.
I should have used that chemically augmented productivity for my own personal projects. Probably would be published by now.

Now I can't be bothered to jump through all the hoops to be medicated for my condition because some three letter government agent is terrified someone somewhere might have fun.

The Diary of Josh Ramirez
2 July 2026

I’m like a mutated moth. I don’t go towards the light. Instead I find these dark, dusty places.
I’m regular, but I feel more comfortable around these strange people.
I’m laying sick, in bed. My cat is at peace next to me, while I squirm to justify my existence.
I don’t see the point in building up an audience. What do I want power for? I don’t. I’m like George Washington. To be president would be a chore. I’d do it if I had to. I didn’t know ‘president’ was a lowly title. Vice president John Adams wanted it to be a more grand title - ‘His Elective Majesty’. President of the United States is a beautifully grand title to my ears.

What do I want, then? I’m told to self-mythologise, but there is no story that feels compelling. My life is a series of mild comfort. Every part of my life is mild. I will have enough money to contribute a mild sum for my child’s property. I will have enough money to die in a mildly comfortable nursing home. I avoid all suffering. Is this it?

>>25377981
Your other points is just me not editing shit/pasting the wrong thing, but this point
>you trying to make the officer or car or nighttime look cool for some reason, or are you just flexing your ability to describe shit?
was on purpose. I wanted a contrast with the POV being scared about being rebuked over his crime, only for the cop to drive off.

Any recommendations for an epub editor? I want to have a glossary in the back that people can click to mid book, and then a link back from there to that section they were at.

>book has sold several copies
>no reader feedback yet

It’s nice to know it’s moving copies (and that some of those copies were bought by anons), but I’d really like to know what people who’ve read the whole thing think.

>>25378773
Which one's yours? If you've already posted it it's probably already on my list

>>25378648
Then just say the cop drove off. The officer just looks incompetent or negligent in the way this is written. It's like watching a baby drool all over its ipad then reading "the infant strolled off, the evening sunlight from the window glowing above his head like a halo." They absolutely did not earn any cool description, and it doesn't describe the nature or impression of the encounter at all

>>25378535
How long is it gonna be?

>>25378907
A Maid in Four Parts. I know it’s had some discussion here, so it probably is on your list. Part of me doubts anyone who’s read it has finished it yet because of its length though and I also don’t want to be too obnoxious with shilling. I feel like I’m interested to see what people think about the story and characters because I feel that’s the heart of the story and where the most effort was invested.

Sales are nice obviously, but cold numbers aren’t really as fulfilling as reading reactions.

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>write fairly straightforward
>try to make it about character development and interaction
>sprinkle in worldbuilding
>read some analysis of a TV series' writing in the background while drawing stuff
>the analysis goes on and on about symbolism and references to other works that are deep and revelatory
>regret not writing more symbolically and profound if it makes people engage so much more with the matter
>decide to change some stuff for a betaread I got lined up
>the betareader misses almost every single symbolism and reads other symbolisms into it I never meant
>at one point interprets a statement 100% the opposite way and even comments she's glad it means this and not what I actually intended
>realize most people who glaze symbolisms and profound writing are just digging the holes themselves.
Why even bother, I rather write straightforward, less time consuming. People will read too much into stuff anyway

>>25378921
150k~ for volume 1, or "book 1" if you want to call it that.

>>25379060
>the door was red
>thematically the author really meant the door was blue

>>25379060
I think my symbolism of a girl whose family was nigh-eradicated wistfully looking at a dead foreign tree in her ruined home might fly over some heads.

>>25379073
Nah, it's worse than that. It was an apprentice healer who returns to his master to apologize for running away, harvesting a rare healing root he finds on his travel back. The reader thought this was about him being willing to tear out his past by the roots, showing his frequent failures and setting up future failures because of that, when it was
LITERALLY
RETURNING
TO
HIS
ROOTS

>>25378535
how much of that is actually good? 1 percent? 2?

Are we not going to get one decent submission in this thread? Anyone, please!

I started reading a mystery novel during my meal breaks at work and I don't know how to feel about it. Apparently it's high rated but everything about the introduced characters are spoken about instantly when they are introduced. It's not in a good way for half of it. A character reads their emails and then splurges about their life story when it's not even attached to it. All it really does it makes the first 10 pages annoying to read with how much they go into the backstories unprompted instead of setting the main plot up. I think I figured out one of the "plot twists" already due to how annoying it's set up, there isn't a good explanation to why it's written in that way outside being annoying.

The book is still 4.5 stars on bookreads, so can a book really recover from a bad intro? I'm wondering more about the writer's perspective.

>>25379114
100%, but that depends if you like cute girls and burgers.

>>25379149
Please share.

>>25379172
https://www.honeyfeed.fm/novels/30962
You can read 6k of that 150k here.

Currently waiting for the contest to end so that I can lose and release the rest.

>>25379190
Thanks anon now I understand how people finish novels.

>>25379230
I'm a bad example because 90% of that 60k was written under severe stress.
Take it easy, anon. It's not a race, but remember the original Marathon runner dropped dead.

>>25379122
We're waiting for Boors next masterpiece

>>25379122
If you're really starving for something, take this.
it's something I wrote a while ago and already posted here once. it's a short story I wrote as an experiment with my world, setting various stories across the periods of history to see if anything sticks or is worthy of expanding.
https://pastebin.com/akRzy82q

>>25378970
Yep, already on the list. It's definitely too soon for you to be getting reviews. Continue shilling and give it some time.
I've got a couple of anon's books to read ahead of yours, but keep an eye on Goodreads and you'll see my review there in a while.
I reccomend organizing an ARC (advance reader copy) team for your next book since it's nice to have reviews before release.

>>25379240
I’m not in a hurry, been working on the same five books for around 4 years now

>>25379284
>five books
That is way too much for me, anon. I already feel like I'm having schizophrenia episodes and personality fragmentation after writing just one story for nearly 3 years.

>>25379288
It’s more a product of my natural mental state than the other way around. I go through long cycles of various moods in my life so I have started different books for each state of mind. It’s been useful for me so far. Its rare for me to go back and not like what I previously wrote this way, and I don’t want to feel inauthentic and work on the wrong book in the wrong state of mind.

>>25379243
Boor on the floor.

>be named Boor
>write a boring book
pottery

>>25379303
I get it since I had a similar feel, but I need to sit the fuck down and grind away at a thing.

>>25379280
Yeah, I think I jumped the gun on ARC readers because I just wanted it out there. Although, a PW reviewer looked at it and gave it a pretty objective review.

I think if I learned anything from the writing this one, it’s to get some of the marketing shit down ahead of time rather than speeding to release. Although, I suppose advice I’d ask for is how to prevent pre-release burnout. By the time I’d done so many drafts, I was just burnt out and wanted the book out there, since I know that overdrafting and running by several people can also lead to it being stuck in a place of never releasing.

I’ve had decades of experience actually writing and I’ve had articles published in magazines before, but this was my first time actually publishing a book, so the actual publishing and marketing process was new to me and something I had to learn myself (and that was on top of the fact I did the cover design and editing by myself too). I’m going to keep marketing it, though I’m hoping word of mouth carries it too. The feedback I DID get from professional reviewers was that it’s a good book for the niche audience it caters to, so I’m hoping for some kind of cult following. The fact booksellers have stocked it internationally gives me hope.

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>>25379243
the next ebook is available for pre-order
Aug 1 release

>>25379394
How close are you to just printing a bunch of your books and just shoving them in random peoples' hands on the streets?

>>25379400
idk but it seems like you're really close to sucking my cock. a bit too close for my comfort, in fact.

>>25379401
Are you sure you're not looking into a mirror?

>>25379405
Kek

>the published author vs the virgin anonymous critic

>>25379444
I cannot compete with classics of Amazon such as Morning Glory Milking Farm and The Dark Triad.

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>>25379190
I stopped reading after 2 paragraphs. Also it sounds like an LLM generated it

>>25379394
>King of LA
I hope this is an allusion our penis-wielding queen

>>25378773
>really like to know what people who’ve read the whole thing think.
you and all of us, buddy

>>25379492
What made you think an LLM wrote it after just 2 paragraphs?

Do you guys ever form real workshop groups outside of 4chan or do you just post drafts here and delight in the lacerating criticism?

>>25379677
I have a group in person but I like the raw honesty I can get here. Even if it’s just people hating for no reason.

>>25379677
I don't know any people in real life anymore

I myself enjoy a clean, rolling line. I like the prose offered by a patrician English woman like Muriel Spark, not the verbal handsprings that are celebrated on this board. Does anyone write with that English polish anymore?

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I don't care if it's shit, I finally at least got the words down for the last bit of the rough draft of the prologue for a visual novel, ending right where the protagonist chooses which pilot guy he wants to work with (and romance)

>>25379677

>>25379677
No good writing has ever come out of workshops

>>25379836
>>25379677
sorry I meant to respond but my brain is fried
I post because it makes it feel real to me that I've written something, even if nobody responds. plus the occasional feedback can be useful

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We're a couple months away from Consumptive Cur's release so you've still got a chance to obtain your free advance copy in exchange for promising to review and/or promote it
https://warosu.org/lit/thread/25318871

>>25379752
>Does anyone write with that English polish anymore?
I write with Polish English, does that count?

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I'd appreciate feedback on this passage, friends. It is near the end of Act 2 of my story and the only context that matters is that the throwaway POV character (Piras, in this case), plots against the protags, and his POV serves as a way to not immediately show the protags' plans, but rather have them unfold naturally.

Fucking hell I've completly lost the ability to focus. I can't look at my manuscript for more than like 45 seconds before my attention wanders. And then whatever it wanders to also lasts about 45 seconds.

>>25379891
If your book can't even hold your own attention, how do you expect it to capture the reader's? It's a sign to dispose of what you've written and start from page one.

>>25379913
No, my book is actually great. It happens even when I read literary masterpieces. I can only focus when drinking.

>>25379913
Well I guess part of the problem is right now I'm revising, which is less engaging, but also nothing can hold my attention. I can't read the news, watch TV, even watch YT videos. I can't even sit alone in my bed in silence with a book and read it anymore because after about 3 sentences my mind wanders, and then I'll realize I "read" a whole page and didn't process a single word. My brain is just completely fried.

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>>25379920
>I can only focus when drinking.
I can only get energy to write when drinking energy drinks and can only focus when drinking booze.

How many of you have ever actually finished writing and published a book?
Even self-published?

>>25380055
>and published a book
Define that.

>>25380084
The book was completed and is now available for purchase to the general public.
Whether through a traditional publishing house or self-publishing.

>>25380132
Nicolas John Boor is one.

>>25379677
Writing workshops are a scam.

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>>25374042
"FRANK ZEIST studied literature, allegedly. During his prolific career, he punched up numerous screenplays, some of which even have scenes. Mr. Zeist is the author of 'The Chemical Divorce' and hundreds of unread text messages. His work has debuted in garbage bins all over the world."

>>25379940
So mix them

>>25380055
Probably 2-3 out of the 7 people who post here

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this is me contributing

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>>25380055
Here's the updated tier list, though these are only those who've felt comfortable de-anonizing.

>>25380361
Oh, and it also only includes 1 (former) webnovel. I don't post on /wng/ or read very many webnovels. This list might be dozens longer if I did, those /wng/gers love their quantity over quality

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>>25380361
The Chemical Divorce has a new and expanded edition that is much better than the original sent to Kindle owners for free and being cross-posted to Royal Road. The reviews of that version were much better

>>25380385
I'm aware

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>>25379405
nah i'm nice if anons want to discuss or ask questions, but if you're just here to needle and talk shit, then I'm going to saw your head off with a pocket knife and skull fuck your gushing bloody neck hole in front of everybody ;)

>>25380438
Here's a question: why haven't you made any movies? Hard mode: no blaming anyone else

>>25380361
I think "Harassment Architecture" and "Gothic Violence" are also by a /lit/ anon.

>>25380361
this anon will never finish reading all these shitty books

>>25380441
Mike Ma appears to be a public figure already so unless he personally asks me to add him, no dice

>>25380449
Yes that "did not finish" list is probably going to stay the longest. But they're not all shitty. Corndog Zen is decent and I'm really loving The Beautiful Kingdom so far. And obviously CC is the GOAT

>>25380055
Most never will, and if they do, they won't dare post it here, because 4chan can become a crab bucket faster than any other place.
That said, I'm willing to take a chance.
A Science-Fantasy novel I wrote while drunk and off my meds.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0F3FC7SX6

>>25380439
i refuse to shoot on digital, and celluloid is expensive. not worth it to compromise and make some shitty youtube version of a story. with KDP i can at least get the stories out there and movies can happen later.

>>25380439
I blame the jews.

>>25380450
Beautiful Kingdom is very good. A bit preachy at times and there were some formatting errors, but I believe Wing fixed it and I believe he added a new chapter to the story. but the message was clear and it was interesting to see a 1870s-1900s timeframe. That time is underutilized

>>25380457
>i refuse to shoot on digital
That'll do it. I'd encourage you to overcome this prejudice (at least in private). Digital is great for learning filmmaking. However, I'm biased because I like the digital look and admire Lynch much more than Tarantino.

>>25380472
I haven't noticed any formatting errors but the thing is littered with solecisms. I'm only up to chapter 7 and I've already noticed almost 10 straight-up mistakes (missing words, extra words, spelling errors). That's not even mentioning all the missing commas. But you're right, it's very good so far

>>25379677
I’m in a writing group. Mostly girls. I can’t stand them because they’re all liberals who think making shit gay is good storytelling.

>>25379658
wouldn't you like to know clanker

>>25380439
because I'm writing a book you mega retard

>>25380559
The Dark Triad isn't a book, it's a description of a movie.

>>25379836
what kind of name is Talwen?

>>25380480
The curse of self-publishing. Nobody knows what the hell they're doing

>>25380480
>I've already noticed almost 10 straight-up mistakes (missing words, extra words, spelling errors). That's not even mentioning all the missing commas.
Means it's shit. SHIT

>>25380563
that anon wasn't even me, shitbag. you wrote consumptive reddit-fag: the book, your lame and gay opinion of Dark Triad is irrelevant no matter how many times you post it.

Been working on my novel for a little while. It features two male leads who have a very close relationship and it ends with them living together. I am explicitly trying to write it so as to avoid turning it into an endorsement of modern labels or sexuality politics (and it has some veiled criticisms of all of that) but I think the average reader will either not get it and get annoyed by how gay the story seems or not get it and get annoyed that the characters don't end up consummating a relationship as they expect.

>>25380055
Many. https://lampbylit.com/magazine/authors/

>>25380602
>Consumptive reddit-fag
Kitty is actually modeled after the Discord e-girl. You haven't read my book and have zero ammunition to attack it with.
Meanwhile, I can point out that The Dark Triad's "psycho" character is just Shadow the Hedgehog with a lackluster sense of humor.

>>25379677
Like >>25380487, I joined a writing group. It's full of liberal white women and the jeets horning after them. Nothing converted me more to full-fat Republicanism than listening to them discuss trannyism, migration, religion and misandry

>>25380617
I need to find a writing group

>>25380607
Do whatever works. The sex fiends will make it about sex no matter what. Out there are people who maintain that Bert and Ernie have sex. The pair from Sesame Street. The children's show. They sleep in separate beds.

>>25380619
why?
just go read the writing guides online published by these groups
that's where all the value is
after that it's just childless cat ladies, housewives, femcels and jeets bitching about Trump

>>25380627
I want them to read Victoria, Queen of the Jeets.

>>25373491
Which platform should I self-publish on, and where should I advertise?

>>25380438
Took you a long shower to come up with that one, huh.

>>25380650
Published my first across Amazon KDP, B&N Press, Kobo Writing Life, and Google Play Books Partner Center, but only ever got any sales on Amazon.
I don't have the cash for a big advertising campaign but if I did I'd opt for outdoor advertising. All I've spent is a few hundred on social media ads (Facebook, Instagram, Reddit, 4chan) and gotten a handful of readers and email list subscribers.

>>25380566
fantasy/British isles type name
the other characters are going to have actual names one day, the colors are just placeholders

I've been exploring local writing groups on Meetup and the likes and all of them have involve writing during the meetup and/or reading aloud. I much prefer reading on the page and I get my writing done better in my own time. I want to find one where we're expected to read each other as homework, and then we gather together ready to discuss each other's work. Where should I be looking?

>>25380689
>only ever got any sales on Amazon
I see, thanks
do you run a website or blog also? how do people get in touch with you?
>outdoor advertising
sorry, I'm old; when I read "outdoor" I think billboards, do you mean that or do you mean ads on different websites?
>All I've spent is a few hundred on social media ads (Facebook, Instagram, Reddit, 4chan) and gotten a handful of readers and email list subscribers
was the juice worth the squeeze?

>>25380723
>do you run a website
Yes
>how do people get in touch with you?
See above
>do you mean ads on different websites?
How could I possibly mean that? Yes obviously I mean things like billboards. You're not the brightest bulb, are you? Actually, that gives me an idea. I could print out a bunch of signs and tape them up to poles. That's brilliant! You're a genius!
>juice worth the squeeze?
Not financially no.

>>25380732
Thanks
>How could I possibly mean that?
oh, I have no assumptions about how netspeak could evolve these days. who knows if people say "outdoors" now to mean "outside of 4chan" or "outside of reddit" within the context of the sentence