Is it officially over yet?
>>25393976One can only hope.
>>25393976it always was, but also nothing ever happens
It ain’t over, ‘til it’s over.
>>25393976yeah, its pretty rough
I just don't feel like giving opinions, personal takes, suggestions, or even a correcting message to you people if none of you are sincere. It used to be better when we had the staple of overly sincere dedicated to their author posters because you knew they would take your post seriously and you would get a genuine message in return. If 3-4 monkeys were hopping around all this leaving their teenage sarcastic "witty" comments it was easily ignored because at least there was some discussion possible. Now, there is only sarcastic posting that isn't in any way interesting. I might as well post on reddit or x to see these types of comments. It used to be when I saw an anon ask a curious question or give a slightly lacking post, I would (you) him just for the sake of helping his opinion. Now I couldn't care less to reply to anyone because you are all pathetic morons who have no genuine interest in these books. It's become entirely performative and all posting is annoyed with any reply, ready to give a snarky condescending retort, before its even posted. Mods banned quality posters and literally told them never to come back. Great, now all we have left are the mongloids and their memes. I haven't seen one quality thread on this board in months.
>>25393976HAHAHAHAHA fuk this board i wish i could deliver the final blow
>>25393976Oh no! 4chan will become a niche place on the internet without hordes of normies! What a barbarity, who would dare?
>>25394070your oldfag effortposters left a long time ago you're coping nigga
>>25393976> that Covid spikeInteresting
>>25394043This. I just wish I knew of a replacememt site.
>>25394077>oldfag effortpostersWho? The ones reading Stephen King?>>25393976It was over when the tomboys got manhandled by stormfags. No, I will not elaborate.That said, 4chan is gonna slowly die because it turned into the safe edgy internet place that normies use for "I am no hylic" points, a pilgrimage site of sorts. They lack personality, so if you post stuff that isn't the most performatively 4channish, they start crying. (Check this thread, normies think that 4chan is the "it's over meme" central).>>25394043>I might as well post on reddit or x to see these types of comments.Trvke.
>>25394043Yeah true. And they’re all algorithm-brained niggers who got their opinions from a reel or meme instead of actually knowing anything or having life experience.
>>25394043A long running conspiracy has been there are chat bots or other bad actors intentionally lowering the discourse across 4chan. All am effort to fragment the "angry young man" crowd.
>>25393976Damn, Xitter really btfo'd this site
>>25394043This, and their really isn't much else to add. Genuine book readers are in the minority here, so there's no point anymore in effortposting. I would not be surprised if the average poster here has read <10 books this year.
This board and this site in general does not need to exist until the end of time. It's okay for you to grow out of your juvenile "Underground Man is literally me fr fr" phase and start walking the path towards knowledge and understanding yourself, and it's also okay that 4chan as a site does not act contrary to the law of entropy and stay the same forever, just like everything else, it was born, it grew, then it started to wither, and soon it will disappear as the weathered relic of an era that has already long passed.
>>25394262ok but the modern alternative includes feeding all and any personal data to the same 5 tech companies situated in the US so they can train their AI models to replace you and those dear to you so there is some value in keeping old anonymous and semi-anonymous communities online as opposed to everyone migrating to reddit or discord "the way its supposed to be"
>>25394279>as opposed to everyone migrating to redditReddit is dead and botted af, not to mention soulless, who tf migrates there
>>25394279What I meant is that you should make peace with the idea of intellectual self-subsistence. Keep a diary, write about what you read, read a lot, etc.
>>25394284reading or keeping a diary is not a substitute for the type of social environment 4chan provides. Hell those aren't social activities at all. Telling someone to replace 4chan usage with reading is super tone deaf
>>25394043Pretty much this.I think another big issue here is that people leave but there's no one to take their place and the only ones who remain are schizos/trolls who, in turn, deter people from posting and make them leave. Then there's pajeets and redditors like >>25394225 who try to enforce the same mainstream narratives, tastes and opinions that already dominate other forums because they heard 4chan has the "wrong" opinion and they are want to "fix" that. It's impossible to have normal discussion with those because they only see the world in black and white and their arguments are just ad hominem.
>>25394279Anonymous communities still exist, but not a lot of people migrate to them because they have measures that prevent people from spamming and they actually ban bad actors. When the hack happened last year, people migrated to those, albeit temporally. Some refused to use them or stay because of those anti-spam measures. Other people migrated to xitter because they allow "conservative" opinions, to a degree, and people who don't like these fled to bluesky.
>>25394188There's one with a good policy to avoid bad actors, but it's dead. There was some activity during the hack, but they can't take the load anyway.
>>25394301>they heard 4chan has the "wrong" opinionAh yes, the hacker 4chan with his "wrong" opinion.
>>25394178I view it more as Covid killing reading.
>>25394342>sassy twitter gifyou don't belong here
>>25393976Pretty much all boards are down,or they are stable but their peaks were long ago, some before 2016. Others are down since 2021.
>>25394381>Why aren't you conforming to what xitter and plebbit told me about this place??Literally what I said. Yet another case of NPCs doing NPC things.Normalfags coming here after they learned about 4chan from normie websites and pretend that everyone around them must larp their specific kind of larp. This need for a purity that is completely wrong because normies will always have the wrong understanding of 4chan. Can't wait for 4chan to go back being niche, I'm tired of normalfaggots having normie websites living rent free in their heads, I'm tired of normalfaggots attaching stereotypes to 4chan, I'm tired of normalfaggots mixing up /pol/ with 4chan as a whole.
>>25394383There hasn't been a major, front-page-of-the-news 4chan event in a while now is the problem. The site began over 20 years ago, grew steadily, then Chanology was the first big thing to draw people in; after that, more steady growth (arguably the golden age period), and then WHAM: The Fappening, Goobergate, and the 2016 election one after the other. Probably a quarter of the site's current userbase came during that 2 year period.But since 2016, there hasn't been anything to bring in waves off new users. There was a spike at the beginning of lockdown, but if I had to guess most of this uptick was made up of older users, who had left for a while but came back (momentarily) out of boredom. So when you see the downtrend in pic rel, it's not unlike looking at the population trend of a country with a low birthrate -- the oldfags are dying off, and there aren't enough newfags to replace them.
>>25394425We don't need new blood, we need shittier users.
>>25394430fewer shitty*
>>25394422>acts like a xitter tourist down to their shitty opinions and usage of xitter gifs>complains for being called outyou don't belong here
>>25394441>their shitty opinion>theirWhat is this trannyspeak?
It's actually just beginning. Picrel is ciclicle and we are so back.
4chan is dying as a whole. Not just /lit/.Practically every board is dying slowly but surely, there are less and less new users. The only boards that actually "get" new users (which are honestly just tourists from xitter) are the forbidden three boards /v/, /pol/, and /vt/. I don't browse those boards, but from what I heard from other anons those boards are unusable and busy.I wouldn't count /vg/ since it is the fastest board, but that board is genuinely autism central and avatarfagging to the max.Other than that, this website is losing more users and more users on the daily. It honestly might be a good thing, but like I've said, there'll probably be nothing left but the autism and schizos.
>>25394425Lmao, what a shit take.4chan used to be resilient against outsider influence. If someone came here from tumblr, reddit or stan twitter and tried to post with the style they use there, like posting gifs of black women, people would them to piss off and lurk more independently of the content of their post. It's not how 4channers are supposed to act but about how a 4chan user posts. It's like retards who claim that reddit spacing was always accepted and then they post a screenshot from two decades ago, completely unaware that people stopped using that spacing once it became associated with reddit.
>>25394477>>25394486good. a lean 4chan will either be reborn with a small crowd (like it was in the beginning) or it will just stay static. there are no other alternatives, nobody who posts her will go to reddit or facebook or twitter/bluesky, they are not alternatives. >reddit spacingI have used that spacing since 2005 and will continue to use it. there was a time when 4chan was just /b/ and it was nothing but gore and meme posting, this is nothing.
>>25394496>am I fitting in yet
I only come to 4chan when depressed. It was getting bad all throughout the 2010's, but 2018 was the last time you could post something on 4chan and get a genuine reply back. These days it's all just neurotic people looking to justify their own flaws, and when you don't gratify their stupid self-defeating mentality, they crash out and try to argue with you. All these people are looking for is the tiniest win, so that they can make a smug, self-satisfied smile and continue their cycle of self delusion. It's really pathetic. It's a generation of lost souls, the first really lost generation in about 100 years.
>>25394506>people make snarky replies4chan has always been like that
Here's a thoughtWhat if we all just started reading Alexander Theroux? Just went and bought his short story/essay/poetry collections and read his anti-woman, anti-Jew tirades and then talked about them?Just a thought, haha. We'd have something to post about, then.
>>25393976all 4chan's dying, /lit/'s just dying fasterI'll miss /lit/ when it's dead forever. Stumbling across it in 2011 changed my life
>>25394507Come on dude. It's all just mentally ill people looking to justify their own persecution complex. That's literally all 4chan is. If you put on those glasses from THEY LIVE and read the average 4chan thread, all you'd see is "THIS IS WHY I'M PERFECT AND IT'S THE WORLD THAT'S THE PROBLEM" written on every single reply. Except for one other reply from some guy who's just really confused, asking "Why is everybody here like this?" like >>25394043 this guy.4chan users demand the right to bitch about the world, while not doing anything to actually change it. It's really pathetic. Gen Alpha is going to grow up and look at this entire generation and be like, what the fuck? Why are 50% of you guys like this?? Why did you spend all your time on social media just.... whining? And then you guys will have some new coping mechanism about how it's actually based and cool to whine, while Gen Alpha become like some kind of ultra mega hitler gen version of the boomers and form a new nazi party or whatever
>>25394519>That's literally all 4chan is...yes, it's always been like that.
>>25394524If that's the kind of space you actually want to be in, that's pathetic.
>>25394528ok, bye?
>>25394528You're here too lmfao
>>25394530See, there you go again. Can you take an honest look at yourself? Is this the kind of person you want to be? Sitting alone on some dying website that just reinforces the worst parts of your personality.>>25394536Yeah, I'm in a depressive episode and trying to get out. I've been going through a lot of shit the past few days. I don't plan on staying here. You gonna kill me for telling the truth?
>>25393976Thank God.
>>25394537>Sitting alone on some dying website that just reinforces the worst parts of your personality.sure
>>25394541Enjoy your shit life then. Don't forget to whine about it.
>>25394542but I enjoy my life and my time here. are you crying? gonna piss and shit your pants? is that you, david foster wallace?
>>25394543Why are you arguing for doing something that you clearly know is wrong? Why are you fighting for the right to be a worse person than you could be?
>>25393976>thread whining about how the board is dead is the most active thread in the catalogwe'd all rather whine than be the change, I suppose
>>25394545simply because it amuses me. if your face is ruddy and slick with tears, you can leave.
>>25394519>Gen Alpha will do somethingHow? They cry if you take their phone away.
>>25394284NTA, but I typewrite my mania into print almost every day, and it isn't enough. You need other people to bounce off of. Without that, you intellectually starve. The problem is that there is barely anyone to do that with these days.
>>25393976>rangeban everyone>site traffic plummets>????>profit.
>>25394566>update nothing, no new competitions. no new boards>site stagnates>start destroying anything that requires efforts: ip count, /f/, pdfsonly good change was the captcha system. on the 100/1 chance i ever become rich ive purchasing this site to save it from lazyness
>>25394590>on the 100/1 chance i ever become rich ive purchasing this site to save it from lazynessplease immediately rangeban china, india and israel
>>25393976>everyone doomposting>/lit/, /f/, /wsr/, /tg/, /diy/ are still best boardshonestly if you guys just ignore shitty posts then this site is still alright. what would you change if you suddenly got in rapeapes body?>restore ip>ban porn and multiday spam on /b/ and regulate former to /bant/>ban non news screencap threads>new competitions>revive /f/
>>25394598lol, I remember the sharty banned israel but their cia handlers told them to unban them or face legal consequences
>>25394598india hate is genuinely some of the most artificial shit ive ever seen. like i genuinely barely ever saw it outside of /g/ (naturally) until some point in mid 2024 when it just exploded everywhere on 4kids and its literally always the same threads and types of posts without any creativity compared to negro hate at least.dont get the china suggestion though, nobody really brings them up. think it would be funny to have /int/ flags displayed on weekends on all boards
>>25394610…saar
>>25394610Indian hate is a real organic phenomenon, but it's coming more from xitter which is why it popped up seemingly out of nowhere here. Think it mostly originated with US tech workers and Canadians in general, where the effects of immigration were obvious, clearly detrimental, and 99% Indian/Pakistani.
this website is run by rapeape, hiro only "owns" it, both are lazy retards. people have been demanding new boards for years, the last time they made new boards was 2020, and it was for a bunch of video game garbage.not to mention the captcha, no vpns allowed, boards where webms dont have sound.you could go on and on.new boards that should be added if it were up to me/rel/ - religion/AI/ - Artificial intelligence /cel/ - celebrity (talk about ecelebs and old school celebs)/sur/ - survivalism (prepare for end times)
>>25394624>>25394604>/ai/ngl i feel like ai talk is good enough on /g/, >/sur//diy/ & /k/ (despite the latter being shit) is good enough but i can get and respect the urgence>/cel/yeah, though this has probably been suggested in mod circles despite the current staff's lazyiness but is also probably shot down because it sounds like several lawsuits waiting to happen vs just letting that autism fester in /v/, /hr/, /gif/ & /b/>not to mention the captcha, no vpns allowed, boards where webms dont have sound.is the excuse about limited hardware space actaully real or nah? either way, vpns is the one thing i can understand blocking but i may be tech illiterate
>>25394624I agree with all of your suggestions, except for /sur/. There is no real need for it when /out/ and /diy/ serve the exact same purpose just fine. It'd just be an slow board filled to the brim with larpers and schizophrenics.
>>25394621well true, it obviously too real which is why i conspiracy'd it as being artifically done to get the ball rolling using the current rw cultural climate but makes sense if it started due to x and extremely spiteful tech employes with the tech sector committed suicide
>>25394637survivalism is different from being an outdoorsmenim talking survival of shit hitting the fan, not going out camping
We just all got jobs, a gf, kids our own home and are living the good life really. Anon, there's no reason to stay here. C'mon out into the real world with all of us!
>>25394653>a gf, kids our own home and are living the good lifeHahaha, I'm never getting any of this
>>25394670Have you ever tried?
>>25394670once you've read +70% of /lit/s top 100 all things will come into place.
>>25393976there hasn't been a good book written for atleast 30 years now
>>25394653most of the people ive kept in touch with that used to post here (like 2005-2012 ish era) actually have careers, homes, and some even have families. the site really doesn't have the same appeal it had back then.
>>25394676Don't bother it blows
>>25394676I did, failed and now I've got nothing to look forward to but a lonely decline and suicide. Wish I could talk to people about books though
>nooooo you can't enjoy this thing if you haven't have a home, career, and a wife and kidsplease leave, you do not belong here. you are a failed normalfag, nothing more. this place was never meant for people dragged down by societal expectations, which are all fake and gay and enforce themselves via negative reinforcement and social engineering
>>25394486>4chan used to be resilient against outsider influence>It's like retards who claim that reddit spacing was always accepted and then they post a screenshot from two decades ago, completely unaware that people stopped using that spacing once it became associated with reddit.
>>25394070I am pretty sure this website is dead already it's mostly for faggots to deploy chatbots to be tested on the remaining tiny userbase, like it has on the rest of the internet. Certain tells or similarities in responses or activity in a thread is only a single example I need to tip me off on something being wrong about user interaction as something that is unnatural.
>>25394683??? this is exactly what i said though you moron
>>25394610>jeets legit believe this
>>25394610Good morning saar!
>>25394043Hard to be sincere when you don't actually read. This place was pretty damn good in the late 2010s and early 2020s but eventually what I can only describe as posers ruined the board
I will be admin of 4chan I will make 4chan a public utility for free speech.
>>25394784i was agreeing with you
the first person to invent an internet-wide pajeet filter will become a trillionaire
>>25393976Why is everyone pretending this is a bad thing?
>>25394043Excellent point. The sincere to farce ratio (I did not say good to bad, I said sincere because our standards are so low) is so low, that there is little point in discussion.Why argue? Your opponent is more likely than not someone who only thinks about this topic to debate it.What insight can an anon hold, if more likely than not it is second-hand opinion from Youtube which is second-hand from AI?I will say another point I do not see enough that isn't appreciated: newfags/NPC and oldfags are symptoms of a problem. The problem is posting for yourself, instead for others. It is that eagerness of discussion and consideration of how to bring your point across that makes a post good or bad, and is a mark of an old/newfag.3K character, single paragraph? Kill yourself.Arguments to boost your own ego/waste your time? Kill yourself.Using the slightest hint of idpol as a jumping off point to have the same "discussion" of trannie/chud good or bad? Kill yourself.I think the 4chan x (you) counter is a symbol of the problem. The (you) doesn't matter: you are irrelevant. It's your idea, that will live beyond you, that matters.
>>25394909people are retarded and have "line must go up" brain.who fucking cares if there are less people, i go on other image boards that have even less than here, its cozy
>>25394604>/f/That shit's dead...
>>25393976The spike in 2020/2021 when peak woke was going on just proves that the main draw of this site was its political incorrectness back when the Internet was way more censored and stuck up.Now people have X which is far more insane so they don't go on 4chan that much anymore.
No
>>25394944Elon saved twitter.
>>25394959Indeed.
Is there any board that isn't on the decline?
>>25394944Maybe, but it's also covid shit drawing in the people. Because you had more neeters.
>>25394962Check the 4stats.ioThere are some boards that are mostly stable, from what I seen, even if low traffic.If we are talking about visitors/posts that is.
The current inhabitants (supposing they are human in the first place) of the site produce shit, low libido and resonance, innately dead memes. The memes of the 2010s birthed here are now mainstream common knowledge. Back in the 2010s it was also social suicide to talk about those memes as, you'd be cancelled. Notwithstanding in the end, the cancelled did inherit the world, but nobody came to replace them. No culture gets produced here and discussion in itself has I hope 2030s reality won't be characterized by the same stagnation become unbearable for the ever increasing majority of the threads. The almost anti-temporal, otherworldly creative spirit that once permeated posts just isn't here anymore and has been replaced by a feminine idpol caricature of irony. Although I am biased, since as one gets older things become less exciting, I genuinely don't remember the last time a novel idea has been posted, let alone that idea memetically manifest itself in reality. Same creepy pastas/greentexts on /x/ for the last 15 years, same writers discussed here (with more identity politics), /fit/ has dropped 15 points of iq and /g/ surprisingly remains the same just with more indians. Considering the influence 4chan has historically exerted and using this pattern as a means of divination, I hope 2030s reality won't be characterized by the same stagnation.
>>25394974>No culture gets produced here and discussion in itself has I hope 2030s reality won't be characterized by the same stagnation become unbearable for the ever increasing majority of the threads. The almost anti-temporal, otherworldly creative spirit that once permeated posts just isn't here anymore and has been replaced by a feminine idpol caricature of irony.No culture gets produced here and discussion in itself has become unbearable for the ever increasing majority of the threads.My bad
>>25394043I wish I could make an imageboard and force all sentient posters here to move there. Once in three months I see a thread where some people have actually read the book that is being talked about and even then I end up reading so many posts by the stupidest mongoloids on this cursed site.
>>25394043For me it's the spoonfeeding. Anon will ask you something, then reply to your answer with a confusing jumble of thoughts, which seem to be trying to emulate a discussion except it's asked in the form of a question. It's like plunging a toilet, I'm just trying to get a drink.
>>25394043this board is filled with people who don’t read, that’s the problem.
sad to see
>>25395067Always been. Most people used to skim through a book's summary and call it a day, which made discussion on works that don't have one available impossible.
>>25395067Kill all the illiterate. If I were not Alexander I wouldn't be an illiterate faggot.
>>25393976few more years and this place (along with most of 4chan) will be gone forever
>>25395489Yep. This thread is just very uncool millenials screeching that they lost the cultural zeitgeist. It's on X and TikTok now by much younger, smarter and interesting people who are not cowards or afraid to express themselves linked to their own identities. The days of this anonymous troll insecurity posting are limited. Suck shit is all I can say.
>>25395489>>25395494Where am I supposed to go then?
>>25395528discord and tiktok (reddit 2.0 + room temp iq botfarm)enjoy
>>25395538I just wanted to funpost forever...
>>25395494>days of this anonymous troll insecurity posting are limitedBut that's literally X
>>25395538How do you even find good discords?
>>25394279No, the alternative is not using anything>but I NEED my social-Find it elsewhere
>>25395494X and tiktok and instagram and reddit are all genuinely retarded and somehow worse than here. 4chan is filled with schizo dead generals but you can sift out of it authentic conversations on occasion.I've never used X but everytime I glance over at it I'm reminded of why I shouldn't start. Nonstop celebrity bullshit and politicbabble.Tiktok and instagram are where actual zoomers frequent. Both are cattle-tier but insta is somewhat better. Both still have the issue of currenttopic babble which is a recurring pattern in the modern Internet. People just hop from one topic to the next for their whole lives online without any real growth or even wisdom.Reddit has actively grown much worse over the past 3-4 years. Most of it is astroturfed millennial faggots. Hobby subreddits are all consumerslop without any valuable niche info anymore, just people posting memes and QTDDTOT or however you spell thatThe Internet is basically dead now, all the uncs reading this should be well aware of this by now. All major social media is made for the lowest denominator of conversation, cultivated by algorithms to squeeze you out of your free time. Grim.>t. actual zoomzoom
>>25395564This is cope. I had hundreds of thousands of views of my writing on Reddit now, and over 10k on X. They are so much more active it is not funny. If anything Instagram is the one dying. TikTok is going great though.
>>25395620>I had hundreds of thousands of views of my writing on Reddit nowNigga those are bots
