>The roots of our modern dating crisis run far deeper than iPhones, hookups, and dating apps. Young women have been encouraged to see themselves as broadly superior to their male peers, argues New York Times bestselling author Abigail Shrier. Gen Z women approach dating like a hiring decision, rejecting men who fail to meet shallow, arbitrary, and ever-changing standards. The result is an epidemic of loneliness that makes everyone miserable.>In The Plot Against Love, Shrier exposes the web of politicians, tech corporations, educators, and philanthropists who conspired to kill romance for good. Drawing on over one hundred private interviews with young singles and new research on mating and attraction, Shrier argues that female desire has been frustrated by ambient messaging that denigrates men. She uncovers the school policies that pathologize masculinity and the social pressure to treat ordinary male characteristics as contemptible. And she meets the young men who have turned to porn and the bitterest voices in the manosphere to cope with the absence of love they still hope to find.>None of this was inevitable—and we don’t need to accept it. With her characteristic fearlessness and humor, Shrier provides a playbook for rejecting the toxic ideas that keep young people apart and reembarking on life’s greatest adventure: falling in love.
>>25525383I might pick this up but I'm assuming she doesn't seem to understand that considering her limited viewpoint by virtue (or in spite of) being a woman she cannot understand the fundamental difference between women and men on the "value of values". This might be an odious claim but isn't it well known that men on average tend have a baseline set of values they grow with whereas women don't have that to begin with and they can change those values according to social whims? correct me if I'm wrong here.
>>25525383If she isn't Kristevan I'm not reading it. I want to hear about raping abject vaginas into existence inside men (without penises).
>>25525383>we don’t need to accept it.Trve...
>>25525383>Young women have been encouraged to see themselves as broadly superior to their male peers, argues New York Times bestselling author Abigail Shrier. Gen Z women approach dating like a hiring decision, rejecting men who fail to meet shallow, arbitrary, and ever-changing standards. The result is an epidemic of loneliness that makes everyone miserable.This is just nicely worded incel/manosphere lingo.
>>25525396Julia Kristeva is a professional charlatan>>25525413problem? you can choose to acknowledge the problem or be willfully ignorant, its your choice but to pretend these problems are irrelevant is the very definition of evil.
>>25525413>RedditjakBehindPepeMask.jpg
>>25525414>problem?It's a boring rehash that I've heard it a hundred times. No new information can be extracted from it.
>>25525417well, what are you doing about it, then? are you gonna sell me your sister so I can get her pregnant or are you gonna just sit on your ass and chug cum from a squirt bottle like the fag you are?
>>25525383I guarantee you one hundred percent that author doesn't give a fuck about men. She just wants them to be healthy and stable enough to be drafted.
>>25525423Not my problem.
>>25525424very likely, that's why I'm working on a book myself detailing actual solutions.
>>25525425do you want me to make it your problem, bucko? wash my penis.
>>25525417spend a lot of time in the manosphere anon?
>>25525435no, he spends his time frequenting gay bars sitting in the gloryhole I think.
>>25525383i'll give it a look, though i have my doubts against shrier because in "irreversible damage", she stated that there are "real" transgenders, whom she tried to differentiate from those who are infected with a social contaigani recently read "the case against the sexual revolution" which i had high hopes for because in an interview (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEL9zZNkRRg) she seemed very even handed and reasonable. in actual fact, her book was all but puritanical, advocating even against s&m being practiced between married and consenting partners. another case of "the person with the lowest sex drive making the rules for sex".
Don't make me tap the sign.
>>25525413funnily, you were not able to point to a single thing that she got wrong, only to whine that you did not like it. very compelling post, anon.
>>25525383>Gen Z women approach dating like a hiring decisionWho is the retard who thinks this is abnormal? Arranged marriages based in exactly this attitude were the norm in most of human history, and remains so in many cultures, where an arranged marriage is so default that they’ll use the term “love marriage” to distinguish what we consider to be normal
>>25525450I never said she was wrong. She isn't.
>>25525459>Arranged marriages based in exactly this attitude were the norm in most of human historyYou realise the difference between arranging life-long marriages and arranging one night strands for sex?
>>25525469Do you think women being bigger whores are gonna solve the problem?
>>25525446>even against s&myou're a pornsick degenerate mindwarped goy, please seek help
>it's not women's fault women are doing this>it's everyone else's fault!for fuck sake, take some responsibility.
Cum dumpsters should write books or think beyond how well they look
>>25525472Males are held to higher standards in pretty much every other species. Forcing women to breed with inferior men for the last 100 years or so is why society’s rife with fat autists today. Either git gud or see yourself out of the gene pool. It’ll be fine, once AI Real Doll tech is perfected you won’t know the difference. I’m sorry you’re an obese virgin who never graduated high school.
>>25525383>Young women have been encouragedsays the New York Times lady author.Don't you love the way swine like this use the passive voice?Young women "have been encouraged". Never "I and my squalid crew have spent the last hundred years relentlessly poisoning the wellspring of good feeling between the sexes."They will, will, WILL NOT take responsibility for their actions. Ever.
>(((Abigale Shrier)))Who even reads these dumb gender studies books?
>>25525472All of those things are shit you can change about yourself. Skill issue.
>>25525471sorry about your boring sex life. lots of people need to get a little freaky to enjoy themselves.
>>25525498You're missing the point. Focus on the "definitely not" and "probably not" part of those charts. Look at how forgiving men are. "Definitely not" doesnt ever go above 50% for any of the faults. Look at how much green "probably" there is in the men's chart. No matter what the issue is, men are at least willing to consider a girl may have other redeemable traits. Now look at the women's chart. Look at how definitely not and probably not dominate the chart. Look at how unforgiving they are. This chart isnt about standards, it's about who treats dating prospects like human beings. And it's not women.
>>25525472>15% of women would "absolutely NOT" date a man who has a large penistfw monstercock-cel
>>25525475those species you describe live in the dirt, anon. the traits of a good husband are the traits of a good citizen (dilligence, honesty, civility, etc). when women fail to incentivize men to be good husbands, the country they inhabit ceases to produce productive and co-operative citizens. this is not conjecture, it is happening right now. it is the cause men dropping out of the workforce en masse. the typical man isn't motivated to keep your lights on and your road clean simply because it will earn a living for himself. he needs to believe it will earn him love and children. when this falls through, YOUR lights will go out and YOUR roads will be blocked. also>last hundred yearstry last thousand at the very least.
>>25525446Consent is a construction of late stage civilization, it has no basis outside of pre-existing political and legal structures.
>>25525495To be fair, the academic world talks a big game about "lived experiences" but I very much doubt any of them understand the worldview of a routinely dejected man. Of course asking them to even consider that perspective is a tall order. I won't be satisfied until a book about gender dynamics is written by an actual KHHV thats not some egregious autobiography and actually contains rigorous research.
>>25525406Based
>>25525550i bet i could convince you of the significance of consent if you gave me your address.
>>25525504Shalom!
>>25525581i denouce the talmud and have enjoyed the use of rope, handcuffs, leg irons, and dog collars in the bedroom.
>>25525472Why are these criteria have the same weight for both genders? Say, a woman that lives with parents is not the same thing culturally compared to a man living with parents, yet the chart assumes it’s the same.
>>25525508It’s not about men being more forgiving, it’s about same standard being interpreted differently depending on the gender. It’s like telling a woman she’s not the type to only have fun with is a way of paying respect, but for a man it’s a grave offense.
>>25525529So basically men are unbelievably needy and 50% of the population has to be sacrificed at their feet or they’ll throw a tantrum.You’re not making a good case for keeping men around. Women can and have worked for centuries. We kept the lights on when you were all killing each other during the wars. You’re bitch made and your time is over
>>25525620the west isn't the only game in town. if our culture can't incentivize men, another culture with incentivized men will take it over. i hope their values are agreeable to you.also, you do not get to decide whether men are "kept around", we're going to be here regardless of how convinced you are it's necessary.
the author of this was previously cancelled for writing an antitrans book yet all the newguys on /lit/ don't even recognize her name. i'm assuming most of these people are bots.
>>25525413Yeah because it's broadly true
>>25525425Then fuck off
>>25525383It's always a Jew who writes these 'revelations' about social trends decades after they happened
>>25525613Have you gotten your cock kosher cut though?
>>25525620Let's see how you like it when the men in the west are predominantly brown wifebeaters and women can't leave their homes without a male chaperone
>>25525630Are you implying /lit/ is pro-trans?
>>25525660i'm implying /lit/ is fucking stupid
>>25525630>PLEASE PLEEEASEEE TALK ABOUT TRANNIES5 seconds later:>WHY IS EVERYBODY TALKING ABOUT TRANNIES AND CULTURE WARS INSTEAD OF CLASS STRUGGLE
>>25525645*decades after some other jew caused them*And then other jews cite books like this as some never before thought of deep society shattering revelation.
>>25525383>The roots of our modern dating crisis run far deeper than iPhones, hookups, and dating apps.yes> Young women have been encouraged to see themselves as broadly superior to their male peers,doesnt matter. there is still young people hook up and babby is formed. the one and only problem is kidnapping and the one and only solution is to abolish kidnapping
>>25525664>class strugglegrow up and get a real job
>>25525413>This is just nicely worded incel/manosphere lingo.and its meaningless. the fact of sleeping with a man intrinsically means the woman thinks hes worthy, regardless of what she says. the problem isnt that women dont sleep with men. the problem is that they kidnap the kids that they dont lindsay
>>25525383This is just fake nonsense that pins everything on "culture".The solution then is that we need to "change the culture", i.e do nothing.It's just a way of avoiding talking about what needs to be done.
>>25525673the way the pastors changed the culture was through creating child custody courts and legalizing lindsaying. if we want to change the culture we have to abolish female custody of children and abolish even pre birth lindsaying
>>25525663that sounds like a yes
>>25525694cope
>>25525383I miss my father.
>>25525682are you posting screencaps of your own shitty, inarticulate posts? bragging about it and holding it up as the absolute BEST that you could possibly produce even given all the spare time in the world? that's fucking sad, bro.
>>25525700you will never be a woman
>>25525424She’s jewish so of course she wants that.
>>25525459The problem is women are generally terrible at choosing partners and making beneficial long term decisions.Fucking Chad in the bathroom stalls could have been avoided. So could the abortion she elected to have.Lmao I am marrying the woman my family gives me.
>>25525510>getting hung up on this instead of on the fact that "large penis" is the only clearly positively-weighted trait on the whole chart
>muh socioeconomics and gender explain everything>again When will people understand the threat we are under? It is literally an alien civilization that is undoing us.
>>25525807Who is undoing us? Are they in the room right now? Or is it simply so that men and women in the west are spoiled children and no one else’s fault.
>>25525807>Do women and the clueless boomers understand the horrible situation they've put us all in?No, because they are easily manipulated retarded goyim, and as long as they and their jewish masters have any say in political and cultural matters things will only keep getting worse until it all crashes and burns.I don't think the jews have any idea what they are doing anymore either, they will be the first on the chopping block once all the white nations become brown biomasses, browns can barely differentiate them from whites as it is.
>>25525807The government tells us to fear extraterrestrials yet we have invading populations of severe aliens who came right out of the earth under our feet
>>25525383>Young women have been encouraged to see themselves as broadly superior to their male peersWell, they are. This intrinsic superiority vanishes after the age of 13 - 15 though.
The real reason why fewer people date anymore is that there are no real venues to meet women and it's extremely difficult to approach a woman without looking rapey.
>>25525383Interesting, sounds more nuanced than most works exploring this issue
>>25525504isn't your sex life necessarily boring if you *need* to resort to kinks?
>>25525620>Welol
>>25525620You are dependent on the system. Forgetting this will be at your own peril.
>>25525963people still fuck. women will neven not need dick and seek men to fuck. they dont form marriages because pastors have deliberately chosen to abolish marriage
>>25525710>>25525963no, the one and only reason is that women are vapid worthless whores. they neither marry, nor put out, so its pointless. the one and only solution is to beat all pastors to death and shut down their child custody courts. american will sooner die so america will die
>>25525562>answering a factual claim with a threatI know what kind of person you are.
>>25526052I get that a girl like her might never come out of her neurotic shell or really prove to be interesting in any way, yet I still have to say those guys are faggots. What do you lose by standing up for every woman on the panel? Don't like skiing I guess? It's petulant.
>>25525963Why ought we care if women think things are rapey? When has a woman every conveyed anything that did not have a basis in fact but rather was more or less vibes-based or inherited from their social group? Libertarians have long suspected that rights in our world are wholly dependent on what the state says you can or cannot do, so why even have the government at all. The Antebellum south knew this in regards to black slaves and we know in regards to women. Woman is truly the nigger of the world.
>>25526119>What do you lose by standing up for every woman on the panel?what? try again, dude
This thread is agitprop, not literature. Would you really even been thinking about this shit if you weren't reminded of it every 2 seconds? Bet you wouldn't.
>>25526108i resoonded with a factual claim as well, and i know you to be a coward.
>>25526122Fuck you nerd. I'd stand up for Rylie and then walk back onto the set and sit down for the next girl. They can kick me out.
>>25525735Racism is wrong.
>>25526130you'd stand up for a vapid narcissist. okay. just run around trying your best to cum into every hole, I guess. works for plants so might work for people too.
I tried reading irreversible damage, and as a 4chan user I should have been predisposed to her position, but I found her arguments often conclusory and simplistic, and her prose very dumbed down. Like I was reading a ny post article stretched to book length.
>>25525472Is there a source for this chart?
>>25525996flesh this out for me because it makes zero sense
>>25526120>Why ought we care if women think things are rapey?Because they hold power in society and you don't?
>muh women >muh sex>muh culture warRemember when /lit/ wasn't retarded?
Would any of the lovely ladies present in this thread like to reenact the OP pic with your foot and my head?
>>25525996>>25526142NTA (either) but it depends on what you mean by "need".
>>25526146>stop having biological urges to have sex and become a Buddhist larper>if you lobotomize yourself, you win!
>>25526119>>25526130"Who wants to be my travel buddy?" aka who wants to pay for all my travel expenses.Good on those guys for not giving that insufferable cunt even one iota of validation by standing up. This generation isn't quite cooked yet it seems.
>>25526154Why should I care about a signifigcant other? Don't you understand that a relationship means sacrifices? The second you enter a relationship you can't be your true self. Time that could be spent on your interests is now spent on another. This is the sort of thing for normalfags that just want to work a 9-5 then go home and watch Netflix. It's lame. What the fuck do you mean biological process? Are you having a sexual emergency? Get real, Ahkmed.
>>25526160You're not gonna get findommed by a little dork who's probably scared of having an orgasm.
>>25526174Participating in society in general means you can't be your true self. You can only be authentic on 4chan and X
>>25526178Are you a virgin or just retarded
>>25526180When people ask me why I'm single in my 30s I just tell them I'm not interested in relationships and all they do is congratulate me. This is a dumb phase and you'll grow out of it. No one cares. It's not literature so stop shitting up the whole website with your underage third world whining.
>>25525472>lives with parents is as bad as being obeseWell shit!
>>25526202>all they do is congratulate meAnd then everybody claps
>>25526208>hey man you got a wife or any kids>Nah dude I don't want to deal with any of that>Lucky you!>Thanks, I'm gunna go out in my kayak now, bye.That's what it's really like. Your view of the world does not reflect reality.
>>25526123every man has this at the forefront of his mind, that, marriage is illegal, and, the question of how far he should go to get sex before declaring that the country is doomed and retreating to a life of prayer
>>25526146the Bible doesnt talk about child custody. no one ever talked about child custody before the 19th century
>>25526214r/MGTOW 12 years ago
>>25526225Why does gender even matter? Anyone can live their life like this.
>>25526229>just Medieval monkmaxx broNot many people would want to
>>25525807Westerners are absolutely allergic to self reflection. Arabs have none of the gender war problems Westerners have. Arab women are unironically happier than Western women. This does not inspire Westerners to think about what can or could be copied into Western civilization from other, more successful cultures. Nope, the West remains steadfast in its devotion to Enlightenment liberalism, the most destructive of all ideologies.
>>25526243Two populations who you say are different wouldn't have the same things to reflect on, though. If Arabs were 'self-reflective' they might stop being Arab. If Whites weren't 'self-reflective', they might have more kids.
>>25525620>We kept the lights on when you>We>youYou mean when THEY kept the light on while WE were out fighting, stupid troon, you're in the same boat as us.
>>25526243this is a vague abstraction based on the secularist lie that the enlightenment wasnt martin luther and johannes gutenberg giving everyone a Bible and permission to read it. instead, the enlightenment is something incomprehensible that happened at universities and involved liberal social progress.the exactly one thing that caused the problem in dating was the 1831 english law that women can kidnap the mans kids when they divorce him. this is the one and only reason for the last 200 years of cultural changes
>>25525472curious about the 40% of women that would be okay or are indifferent to dating a virgin
>>25525383PICK ME PICK ME PICK ME
Author is jewish AND a woman so obviously she is never going to get to the root of the problem. A waste of time.
>>25526311They need yall back on the plantation since no one wants to fight for Israel anymore
>>25526311This. She'll never get to the heart of the issue...corporate capitalism.
>>25526119>a bunch of "trying to be interesting" interests>expensive crap>travel buddy aka we'll be "friends" with no benefitsyeah no good for them chicks like that are so annoying but they do still find simps
>>25526317dude please you'd still be unfuckable in communism but under communism you'd be sent to the front to get blown apart or sent to the countryside to wade in shit digging sewage tunnels while some nepobaby in the party fucks all the chicks lmao communists are delusional
>>25526310"pick me" is a slur that women use to discourage women from being considerate towards men.
>>25526331Keep your sick fantasies to yourself you weird fuck. I actually think capitalism is fine as long as it's heavily regulated.
>>25526336You know big corporations actually like regulations because they're the only ones who can afford to skirt around them right?
>>25526339Damn. It sounds like we should stop slapping them on the wrist with non-prosecution agreements, stipulating fines that are a fraction of what they make in a quarter, and actually do something to limit them cannibalizing the country, such enforcing anti-trust laws and whatnot.
>>25526328No I'm looking at it from the perspective of having fun. It would be fun to see how far you could get with her off the back of the game show format. She's obviously insecure and inexperienced, it's a golden opportunity. In fairness, I didn't realize they couldn't see each other and if all you would've heard is her voice you might assume she's fat or disfigured. But she isn't, she's like fuckin Pygmalion.
>>25526344Maybe we should just make being greedy illegal!
>>25526367>she's like fuckin Pygmalion.what?
Oh boy another jew is here to sell me common sense and basic observation stretched out to 200 pages for $24.95 then I'm allowed to believe it oh boy oh boy
>>25526427i'm just gonna get a copy from the library
>>25526368Once we exhaust the supply of immigrants who are lead into this country on false promises and are coerced into working in inhumane conditions, we'll substitute them with children starting with yours first, goy.
>>25526437why children instead of unemployed adults though
>>25526052I think scuba diving and skiing is cool but if I heard this my thought would be>i don't have the fucking money to pay for this
>>25526447You're right. We'll start with you first. You're not going to have children anyway, so you're practically fodder.
>>25525383If I want to read about incels and why they can't get laid, I could just pop in to any random 4chan or reddit thread. I've read more than I care to about this topic against my will, so I will certainly not be picking this up. It seems to aim for a "reasonable centrist" approach by equating the two sides and playing "devil's advocate" in a predictable manner.
>>25526052Brutal. Honestly, she seems nice, she's cute, and her hobbies are cool, but I'd probably reject her offer because I couldn't keep up with that sort of lifestyle. I'm not that type of person to constantly take risks or travel all the time and it wouldn't be the right fit. Nothing against her, I just don't think we'd be compatible. This must be how women often feel when rejecting a man who they otherwise find a decent person to talk to.
>>25526462if a woman used this reasoning on a man the man would bitch about being friendzoned guaranteed lol
>>25525383its all womens fault.
>>25526466no, he gave a flat rejection. he didn't try to keep her in a limbo as his beta orbitor.
