>>25570354
It's funny because he actually is very precise in identifying all the problems of liberalism and of the West in the past 30 years or so, he even acknowledges things that are taboo among other libshits like how female education is often responsible for declining birth rates. But yes, he offers no solutions. It's all just "liberalism is still good, just get some competent people in power again."

There are no competent people anymore, Francis. There isn't going to be. Liberalism can't produce them. Democracies have chosen to give all power to a cabal of Zionist pedophile scam artists who are going to use AI to completely wipe out white collar labor and expertise thus rendering all your top human capital obsolete. What possible solution does liberal democracy have for this? He can't answer. Get rid of Trump and an even more radical billionaire will just get in power. The only reason Trump is even in power is because he's useful for the existing class of tech elites and Zionists so what chance is there for things ever getting better for liberalism from here?

>>25570354
If you came away from reading that ghost written cashgrab thinking Fuckyourmama is anything but an ideology poisoned true believer then you're functionally illiterate.

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Isn't this basically Deneen's whole point? That Liberalism has been/will ultimately be destroyed by the conditions it created itself?

>>25570373
Yes, and Fukuyama's counter-point is that no critic of liberalism is still able to conceive of an alternative system that can be applied throughout the world regardless of how bad things get in liberal societies. I suppose that is correct, tech oligarchs and Trump still operate within this system and invoke liberalism for everything they do (democracy less so) but that isn't exactly much of a consolation in the end. He's essentially saying that everything is still going to decay and get worse but the U.S. Constitution won't be outright replaced. Should we find solace in the fact that it also can't prevent society from declining anymore? I don't

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>>25570354
He is a moron.
Sorry guys.

There are no solutions because liberalism was always a doomed project. It’s predicated on false presuppositions and naive utopian ambitions.

>>25570400
You may have to define a few things to ahve this mean anything.

>>25570360
There is nothing wrong with Zionism or being a Zionist. Being a zionist literally just means that you think the Jewish nation should have a state. Zionism has nothing to say about what that state should look like or what its government should do beyond being a state for the jewish people, and there are as many opinions about that as there are zionists. Zionism is an ideology that accomplished what it set out to do. Calling yourself a zionist is no different than calling yourself an abolitionist or a women's suffragist.

What is your problem with the jewish nation having a state anyway?

>>25570383
Personally I think Deneen's own suggestion is in the right direction. A system which prioritizes community + family bonds over individualism and capital.
Several systems have been suggested. Distributism, social credit, communitarianism. And combined with a healthy amount of nationalism I think any of those three would be preferable to what we have now in the West, or even what we've had for the last 1-2 hundred years.

Could also look at Polanyi's ideas on alternatives to our dis embedded market economy.

Heck even go back to Rousseau himself and see what he would think about modern liberalism.

>>25570402
posters like that are the same people who will see your post and reply with a screenshot of that one tweet saying something like "its impossible to debate with liberals because they will just pretend they have no idea what you're talking about, making debate impossible"

>>25570360
what else did Fukuyama identify? Is he willing to accept the demographic situation is intolerable as well? Asians are usually liberal in orientation simply because it gives them more access to money and they don't identify with the majority culture in western countries. So you can't blame him for that predictable choice which then predicated how he rationalized the world

>25570435
The JIDF has finally arrived.
> Calling yourself a zionist is no different than calling yourself an abolitionist or a women's suffragist.
Delusional. You might as well have said you're a necrophiliac.
>What is your problem with the jewish nation having a state anyway?
Israel has no right to defend itself. It has become incredibly clear (to normalfags, those in the know knew this for decades) that giving Jews their own state was a colossal mistake.

>>25570354
Thats What you get for reading nonfiction.

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>>25570383
>and Fukuyama's counter-point is that no critic of liberalism is still able to conceive of an alternative system that can be applied throughout the world regardless of how bad things get in liberal societies.

Fukuyama makes this point over and over and I think it's overblown.

Like: yes, Francis, I get it. I understand that when you say "The End of History" you mean the Goal, the Point, the Telos, of History. Based on a certain interpretation of Hegel, you believe that the Point of History is to maximize the freedom of humans, and you believe that Liberalism achieves this better than any other sociopolitical arrangement.

I just don't see what the big deal is about that. Leaving aside whether "Freedom" really IS the Telos of History, even when it was maximally achieved that was never going to last forever. Spengler, you know? Civilizations rise, they prosper, they decay, and they collapse. Fukuyama himself acknowledges this when he says that "the end of history is not the end of events," but I wonder how much he himself really believes his own line here. Especially later on in his career, it really has felt like he believed that once Liberalism had triumphed that that was going to be it, that there would be no more grand events, great men, huge movements, massive catastrophes.

But of course this is not the case. History continues onward, whether its "End" has been reached or not. Spring gives way to Summer gives way to Autumn gives way to Winter. The Tao shifts, Yin gives way to Yang. Twas ever thus, and ever shall be.

the future is a neo feudal tech dystopia where the new lords are the tech oligarchs who own the AI, the second tier will be the ai safety regulators, the new bourgeoise. and the third tier will be 98 percent of humanity who have lost their worth and purpose having been replaced by AI, at best becoming useless consumers who live off a stipend of UBI

there will be no revolution or even any use for an army, since the tech lords will have autonomous drones and AI surveillance monitoring dissidents

Only one central problem will remain for humanity (that which remains alive), and it will be the theological one. The transition to the new world, triggered by technology, does not seem likely to affect in any way that hidden, inner space where, as if we were sitting before the universe, we ask ourselves to know the One who gives us the desire to know Him and to know everything within ourselves and beyond ourselves.

Christianity, the religion of slaves and the illiterate, will once again begin its journey. For it is not data that saves us, but crossing the bridge over the abyss of life.

>>25570524
Techbros can't politic their way out of a paper bag, just look at fucking Elon or Altman. They're bugmen, bugmen can't be aristocrats. They'll be replaced by something else soon enough.

>>25570459
I have not read his new book but in all his interviews he does not say a single thing about the demographic situation of the West at all. He talks about the negative effects of things like feminism, identity politics, admits that China is formidable and that democracy may not survive the Internet or AI. But he never for a moment questions mass migration and demographic replacement. It really is just something that liberals don't give a shit about. It doesn't register in their brains that it is something to be concerned with because the mere idea that a person should identify beyond their individuality is Sin to a liberal, most of all their nation or kin

>>25570541
It doesn't matter at all. They have power and will install anyone who prolongs it. That's exactly what happened with Trump in 2024. Conservatives (who are just right-liberals ultimately) cite Elon buying Twitter and shaping public opinion as a victory for liberalism, that Twitter's "free speech" led to a more authentic election outcome with Trump winning, when that is exactly a key fucking example of why liberalism is so useless and shit -- an oligarch can just use his wealth to manufacture democratic outcomes with a propaganda machine he curates, then all the lumpenprole retard voters take this as evidence that liberalism works because muh free speech. It's a laughable contradiction that liberal democracies have no answer for (China does, just purge the billionaires who get too uppity)

>>25570464
>Israel has no right to defend itself.
Well it is, and will continue to. You can continue to seethe impotently about it if you like.

>>25570560
All their technology has already been copied by China and Russia and could be distributed at will via open-source platforms.

You have no idea what a real "revolution" would look like, and it wouldn't be nearly as easy to stop it once it began to unfold as you think.

>>25570501
Yeah he's very dishonest about "I never said history ending would mean that events stop happening." Well actually, that is kind of what the end of history means. Communists certainly don't believe we're going to have world wars in our communist Star Trek society. He himself endorses liberalism around the globe explicitly because it creates a boring society where no big upheavals happen. That certainly is a sort of "nothing ever happens" world. When people reject his thesis it's not because "things happen" but because it's obvious that liberal democracies are not permanent and don't adequately deal with threats to themselves. This already happened after WW1. Why shouldn't we expect it to happen again?

>>25570572
Believe me I'm all for The Day of the Rope for every tech CEO but I doubt it'll ever happen without another Great Depression

>>25570435
Well no actually, being a Zionist means you want an ethnostate to exist in a land where there are already people living there and next to neighbors who hate you thus requiring endless war and stripping those natives of their equal rights. That has fucking nothing to do with liberalism, and the only reason it's tolerated is because Israel became very useful for the imperial interests of the West after WW2 and Zionists smartly exploit the naivety of liberals. It's one of the most obvious blind spots of liberalism and normies all notice it now even if the ruling class is going down with the ship. Even Fukuyama refuses to address the elephant in the room that the supposed "heart of Western civilization" is a Middle Eastern state where everyone is a neurotic genocidal freak that does not believe in equality and most clearly resembles Nazi Germany than any other country today with its technological nationalism

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>>25570581
Trump has been sent by God Himself to break the power of ZOG.

Ignore what Trump says, or what he wants to happen. What's ACTUALLY happened since this dumb war started? Let's summarize.

-Most US military bases in the Persian Gulf have been destroyed, crippling the US' ability to defend Israel.

-The IDF is bogged down in Southern Lebanon where they continue to be easy prey for Hezbollah and its drones.

-Iran stubbornly persists as the war drags on; the entire objective of the war in the first place remains unachieved.

-The Houthis are now an existential threat to Saudi Arabia, a country critically important to Israel for maintaining its position in the region.

-Israel's economy is in the shitter.

-Their politics is increasingly dominated by rabid retards like Ben-Gvir who are incapable of maintaining a functioning nation-state.

What's going to happen is that it's going to turn out that Trump giving Israel everything it's ever wanted is the worst thing that could possibly happen to them. And that it will, in all likelihood, lead to the downfall of Israel and the end of the Zionist project, sooner rather than later.

Just you wait.

>>25570501
>liberalism turns people into lobotomized consumer cattle
>liberalism will soon unleash AI to eliminate expert human capital
>therefore no one will be able to think of better systems than liberalism because no one can think anymore at all
>"this is proof that liberalism really is the end of history, no one can think of anything better"
the perfect strategy really

>>25570581
You don't think ethnostates should exist? Yes ethnostates impose inherent inequalities, but they are not necessarily intolerably illiberal ones. Poland is an ethnostate, it is a state for the benefit, defense, and advancement of the Polish nation where ethnic Poles have privileges others do not. So is Denmark, the Netherlands, Spain, and many other liberal democracies.

The bottom line is that in a world of states a nation without a state is powerless. Compare the position of the Jews in Israel with the Kurds, or the Druze, or the Yazidis, or the Uighurs, or the Tibetans, or the Rohingya, or indeed the Palestinians. If they had their own ethnostate like Israel they would be SO much better off. But because they don't they are frequently subject to repression and murder in the states which they reside.

But I'm sure you don't care about this, with your histrionic nonsense of comparing Israel to Nazi Germany because they dared to do a heckin nationalism. Like it or not we live in a world of 100+ armed encampments of millions of people. So lets live in the real world and not pretend that the Jews having a state for the Jewish people is something evil. Never forget that more Jews were forcibly displaced from arab states after the 1948 war than arabs displaced by Israel. Israel took them in, because as the Jewish state that was their job. Had it not been for Israel these Jews would still be at the mercy of being massacred by the states they lived in with no recourse, just as we saw happen to numerous ethnic minorities in Syria during the civil war, and now many of those same people responsible for massacres are running the country. Would you rather live like that, or have an ethnostate?

>>25570613
>And that it will, in all likelihood, lead to the downfall of Israel and the end of the Zionist project, sooner rather than later.
>Just you wait.
for another 2 weeks

>>25570660
Oh yeah man I'm sure when we get PM Ben-Gvir everyone will still be eager to be lectured on how Israel is an exemplar of liberalism and Western elegance. Poland is seen as a beacon of liberalism and Israel isn't because unlike Israel, Poland isn't infiltrating every Western institution with insane nationalists who steer all policy decisions towards their desire to kill all children of a foreign race lest they grow up to have a problem with being stateless captives one day. Just fuck off, no one buys this shit anymore besides conservative bots on Xitter who have no qualms in admitting Israel is based for committing genocide while you parasites keep your propaganda machine running that it's a victimized underdog.

We need a Caesar to utterly purge the global crime syndicate that has been running this fucking SCAM for centuries. Liberalism is a total crock of shit tricks the masses into false empowerment, a malicious Platonic lie.

>>25570671
>Poland isn't infiltrating every Western institution with insane nationalists who steer all policy decisions towards their desire to kill all children of a foreign race lest they grow up to have a problem with being stateless captives one day
You are making so many ridiculous leaps to get to this point. This is not a logical argument, and it is one that you cannot back up with actual evidence. What is it about Israel of all the nations that causes people, people who I assume are otherwise logical and intelligent, to just short-circuit like this?

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>>25570681
>one that you cannot back up with actual evidence
this will be my last reply

>>25570676
>We need a dictator because this dictator who is accountable to no one and has absolute power will surely not be corrupt and advance his own self-interest and the interests of other rich people. He will do only the things that I want and think are necessary, and will harm the people I don't like, and will never harm me or people that I like.
This is a childish delusion. All you need to do is look around the world to see the repeated failure of authoritarian systems. Do you want to live in a country where you are declared a public enemy and killed without trial because you criticized a government policy that you believed was a critical error, like for instance China's zero covid policy that saw quarantined people being chained up in their houses, resulting in them not being able to go out and get food and the government not providing them any, then when some buildings had structure fires the quarantined were unable to escape because the doors were locked from the outside, so burned to death. Criticizing that, even as a loyal citizen could get you shot. Or what if you know that a government officer is corrupt and you have proof, but that officer is well connected. You will be shot on trumped up charges. So corruption flourishes and there is nothing you can do about it. This is not just some hypothetical. This is what it is like to live in a dictatorship.

>>25570361
You can tell that deep down Fukuyama knows that shit's fucked. He has this air of ambivalence in all his interviews. He always concludes that liberals should be optimistic only for the sake of having morale, even if it's not rational to. That's what makes him such a sad person to me. Living at the apex of human history only to watch it fall off a cliff so soon after you witnessed a period of glory, and you can't accept that it's your wagon slipping off naturally so you claim it's only a few bad actors pushing you to the abyss.

>>25570360
One thing I've never understood about you retards who hate on AI is why you think this can be prevented or banned in some way when we failed to even prevent china or russia from acquiring nuclear weapons. What makes you think China would follow too. What do you need to understand that AI is not going anywhere, the time to ban it would have been 2022. We are already in the storm. You'd think this board would be the first to understand how fucked we are, and would be proactive in making threads about alternative ways forward instead of complaining about billionaires and capitalism all day long. Next year alone even without AI could be the worst year in most of our lives because of the shit trump started. We are possibly facing climate after effects from el nino, famines from fertilizer shortage that will result from the refineries in russia and the middle east being destroyed, oil shortages, food inflation from food shortages, possible mass unemployment, yet no one is talking about this. Do any of you retards realize how fucked we are?

>>25570684
You think this picture is somehow sufficient evidence to back up all of your ridiculous claims that Israel is "infiltrating every Western institution with insane nationalists who steer all policy decisions towards their desire to kill all children of a foreign race lest they grow up to have a problem with being stateless captives one day"? It is most assuredly not, it is no argument at all. It's just a picture of some people in a room.

By announcing in advance that you will make no further replies, you are doing no more than conceding you have no argument. If you cannot back up your claims, they are quite worthless. So ask yourself this, why do you believe so strongly in ideas you cannot back up, and cannot even make the slightest attempt at doing so? You are in a cult.

>>25570698
tick tock kike

>>25570698
nta but you have to be deeply retarded to not know there is an Israeli lobby that bribes and intimidates western politicians into being pro Israel even as the rest of the population increasingly becomes more negative on Israel

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>>25570689
The thing is, as per >>25570501 , I think that as Liberalism degrades we will indeed see the return of "authoritarian" systems of government. Basically, I think monarchy and aristocracy will reemerge in various forms, including in the West. You can argue it's already the case de facto but I think it'll be de jure, too.

I don't think it will be the tech bros who are the new aristocrats, regardless of what Peter Thiel might prefer. I think they're a transitional elite, one that will be replaced along the line.

>>25570705
There is an Israel lobby, sure. But that is quite a far cry from what the above poster said, and I disagree with your characterization of it. Every single country lobbies foreign governments for greater cooperation, it is a fundamental component of diplomacy. There is nothing out of the ordinary about that. I think you are wrong to characterize this practice as "bribing and intimidating" politicians. As if the only reason someone would see Israel as an ally is because they are fearful or greedy. Politicians support Israel because they personally understand the importance of security cooperation between Israel and their country, and the value of Israel's technological innovation, and in America at least most politicians understand that Israel has been attacked and is fighting, at least for the most part, a defensive war against an enemy that has genocidal intent. At least that is true for most pro-Israel politicians anyway, I am sure there are some who have other motives, like the christian fundamentalists who think supporting Israel will advance the endtimes. But I think those who are making policy decisions based on this are few, whether they believe it or not.

>>25570701
if you have a point to make then make it.

>>25570713
I would not be certain of that, look at how Hungary has reversed its slide to authoritarianism. But my real point was to that anon's fantasy that living in a dictatorship means the dictator is some incorruptible paragon who always only makes correct decisions, and correct decisions are whatever that anon wants.

>>25570713
Prior to the Industrial Revolution, virtually all wealth derived from land, and whoever controlled land captured wealth. The Enlightenment and the industrial revolution created an alternative: intellectual property, skilled labor, and entrepreneurship became viable paths to wealth independent of land ownership. This was the foundation of liberal capitalism and,
ultimately, of democratic governance: the idea that a person’s economic value was embedded in their mind and body, not in territory, and therefore could not be easily expropriated. Multiple analysts have observed that artificial general intelligence reverses this Enlightenment
achievement. When AI can perform any cognitive task better than any
human, the irreducible factors of production become not human minds but physical infrastructure: energy to power computation, silicon to run models, and data to train them. As one analysis puts it: “An AI that can do anything a human can do would upend this liberal achievement because wealth
gets tied back to land again”. These are the new “land,” and whoever controls them controls the means of production in a sense more absolute than any feudal lord, because at least feudal
lords needed peasant labor.

>>25570719
>muh security muh technology

it would be better to be friends with billions of muslims thant thousands of jews

>>25570728
post hand

>>25570729
not an argument

>>25570734
You are brown.

Feeling nervous? You should.

>>25570737
and you area slimy kike who thinks anyone is going to buy your retarded arguments like Israel is some indispensable Allie and not just an outpost in the middle east of settler jews genociding Palestinians

>>25570728
why do you think the US gives billions of dollars in military aid to Egypt every year? As well as having strategic partnerships with Turkey, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Oman, and many other muslim countries. What an incredibly stupid thing to say as if you think countries working with Israel necessarily means they cannot partner with muslim countries as well. This tribalistic mentality that countries must choose between "us" or "them" is just an expression of your antisemitism and islamosupremacy. The "post hand" shitposter was right isn't he. You're from a third world country and seething at Jews for daring to exist.

>>25570697
>Next year alone even without AI could be the worst year in most of our lives because of the shit trump started. We are possibly facing climate after effects from el nino, famines from fertilizer shortage that will result from the refineries in russia and the middle east being destroyed, oil shortages, food inflation from food shortages, possible mass unemployment
God willing.

>>25570743
>is just an expression of your antisemitism and islamosupremacy


alright who let ben shapiro on lit?

love your sisters giant tits by the way

>>25570741
>outpost in the middle east of settler jews
The majority of jews in Israel are from MENA, and were forcibly expelled by muslim countries after 1948 in a far more effective and total genocide than anything Israel has ever done. So you can stuff this nonsense about Israel being le settler colonialism.

>>25570747
Never watched him, what makes you say that? Do you disagree with my argument? It's ridiculous to think that countries have to choose between "the jews" and "the muslims" genuinely a room temp IQ islamist way of thinking about diplomacy and international cooperation and its astounding that he actually made that argument.

>>25570750
oh yeah, im sure Benjamin milkowsky is native to the middle east.

They are afraid. They should be.

These fucking people literally ruin everything holy shit just random JIDF for no reason

>>25570435
sure at some point it meant something like that.
not any more.
sinple as. blame netanyahu and his cutn cohorts, from the brits back in the day to the current cunts in the us congress, but mostly blame the cruel inhumane apartheid state israel chose to become.

>>25570758
it was a fun thread till the neocon zionist jews showed up using fox news talking points on a board full of dead eyed zoomers who arent evangelical boomers and who dont believe in god so have no reason to support Israel

>>25570723
AI can either swiftly destroy liberalism or be its greatest gift. It’s true that AI will unravel modernity because of how it implodes all our organization of labor and this will pose a major threat to liberalism because no one will be able to find any sort of status or recognition in a world where they don’t have the freedom to choose the vocations, identities, skills, etc that attract them. But on the other hand, most people in liberal societies are already mediocre consumer cattle who only find “recognition” based on how many internet followers they have and what media they watch all day. So liberalism can very easily be tethered to AI in a way where we create a sort of WALL-E world where we just consume all day but all our robot overlords are libtards that still preach about freedom and progress. The fact that right wingers like Musk are also building this world also means that the right-wing won’t revolt against these conditions because they are cattle par excellence and just worship anything their cult leaders do.

This is why Dario Amodei explicitly stated that he wants AI to be used to create “an eternal 1991” to realize “Fukuyama’s dreams.” A world where we’ve finally achieved the liberal ambition to flatten all human potential by eliminating human agency entirely, and anyone that dissents will be annihilated by American AI drone armies. This is a horrifying, abominable outcome. But it could be the path to the true victory of liberalism and the Last Man.

>>25570762
Ironically I do believe in God and it's precisely why I don't like the Israelis. As far as I'm concerned they're squatting on land that rightly belongs to me, and my Church. Jerusalem in particular belongs to us, and I'm keen to see the Israelis gotten out of the way so we can get that city back.

Sure, with the Jews gone the Muslims will probably take the city first. But Muslims are more easily dealt with than Jews, they're dumber and easier to cull in large numbers. Deal with the Jews first, Muslims later.

>>25570759
What other option does Israel have? It was the Palestinians who abandoned the Oslo Accords. People will always say what Israel is doing, such as "Gaza is an open air prison" but will never explain why it became necessary to imprison an entire people. Which after the 2nd intifada it most certainly did. The walls went up and the violence ended.

>>25570769
You cry a lot. Like a woman. It's not a good look.

>>25570755
>muslim in charge of reading comprehension
read my post again then ask yourself what "majority" means (hint: it doesn't mean totality)

>>25570773
>What other option does Israel have?
Die. No one will mourn I assure you.

>>25570769
yes, i read brave new world in high school too

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>>25570383
>Fukuyama's counter-point is that no critic of liberalism is still able to conceive of an alternative system that can be applied throughout the world

>>25570698
>You think this picture is somehow sufficient evidence
No, we've got books of it.

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>>25570354
>Just solemn acknowledgements that there is indeed impending chaos but liberalism is still the best despite it, for some reason.
He says that because he doesn't want to alienate his consumer base, the liberal bureaucrats who lived in the ivory tower and still believe in their own farts about democracy and all that jazz. Asking for economic reforms would also alienate the businessmen in charge who thinks they're doing the right thing. Being a liberal intellectual is like a priest whom the leaders in charge expect you to justify their rules.

>>25570783
Understanding liberal democracy as just a sort of church where the priests all know they’re preaching bullshit but need to keep attendance is ironically the most useful way of getting how it works.

>>25570778
Well he says China might do better and will admit he’s wrong if that day comes. I give him respect for having some humility at least

>>25570354
>but liberalism is still the best despite it
You talk as if that should not make sense to him, but have you actually read End of History? His point is that liberalism is best not because it is strong or whatever, but because it best fulfills mankind's desire for recognition

>>25570581
>technological nationalism
People just string words together and pretend they mean something.

>>25570705
A lobby is not conspiratorial inflitration you bumbling buffoon

The worst part about liberalism is that it produces retards like OP and gives them the right to vote and hold political office.

>>25570790
>liberal democracy
as opposed to what, fascistic democracy?

>>25570799
China has gone through extensive luberal reforms after Deng gave Mao the finger.

>>25570501
All historicism is just retarded drivel, from Hegel to Marx. They inevitably need to add on more caveats to save their silly theories despite everything that happens until history no longer has anything at all to do with events but with ideologies and their made-up "contradictions" and the end of history is actually just a fancy way of saying "best ideology." Schopenhauer should have shot that fat lard.

>>25570383
What exactly is so inconceivable about illiberal politics?

>>25570762
>waaaaaaaaah someone is disagreeing with me and I cannot rely on my reddit mods to save me! WAAAAAAAAAAAH
go huff glue or something.

>>25570776
Since when has telling anyone to die ever actually worked? All this shows is that you have absolutely no idea what to do but you like being angry and raging anyway because I suppose it pumps meaning into your meaningless life.

Israel really has no idea what to do now that they know for a fact that the young generations will NEVER support them.

>>25570697
>Do any of you retards realize how fucked we are?

Meh. You sound like me when I was a teenager, freaking out about the war in Iraq and peak oil. The sad truth is that everything is actually fine and everything will be fine twenty years from now, but to the unseasoned observer it’ll still feel like we’re sitting on the precipice of destruction and there will be a whole new set of reasons why.

>>25570973
The war in iraq was just a single crisis, boomer. We are facing the convergence of multiple crises and all of them involve either food or weather, not to mention I have not even talked about AI. That is an immediate concern.

>>25570978
It'll be fine and you will look like an ass in 20 years. Happens to every generation.

>>25570978
Your generation’s 9/11 was a cop kneeling on a crack head for too long so I guess I shouldn’t be surprised you’re mostly all weak and dumb, but hopefully one day you’ll smarten up. Happens for some people.

I really despise zoom zooms

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>>25570383
>Yes, and Fukuyama's counter-point is that no critic of liberalism is still able to conceive of an alternative system that can be applied throughout the world regardless of how bad things get in liberal societies.
Kek. At least try to be witty about it like my grumpy pal Churchill.

>>25570435
Do you know how people will look at you if you draw swastika in front of them? You can say it is an ancient symbol that predates nazi Germany but nobody cares.
Same with zionism.

The fix is to start guillotining CEOs and billionaires

>>25571007
Every jew in israel is a zionist whether they agree with the government or not. Every jew outside of israel who thinks israel should exist, even if they are aghast by its current actions, is a zionist. So clearly it does not mean "jewish nazi." Anyone who has a problem with the existence of a jewish ethnostate but also then calls for the creation of a palestinian ethnostate is singling out jews in an impossible double standard, which is antisemitism.

>>25571137
People are fine with antisemitism now. You made sure of that with your actions.

>>25570689
China did far better in containing covid and the Chinese people were able to protest overlystrict policies which were then backed off on by the CCP. Meanwhile you ignored that the west is ran by a global imperial crime syndicate that suicides dissidents on the regular and is openly corrupt under the Trump admin. Rule of law and democracy are a total crock of shit and everything you accuse of China is just as true for the disgusting west. A benevolent dictatorship that doesnt serve this international clique of criminals would be immensely more preferable.

>>25571142
Is that why every leftist and muslim at anti israel protests repeats "antizionism is not antisemitism" like its a religious mantra?

>>25571156
>China did far better in containing covid and the Chinese people were able to protest overlystrict policies which were then backed off on by the CCP
You have got to be fucking kidding me. I refuse to memoryhole the white guards and the zero covid policy. China had goons assault people for not wearing masks or getting tested 50 times a day, then refused to use this opportunity to vaccinate the elderly because they refused to cooperate with the vest and their own vaccines were shit. Xi even said zero covid measures would be permanent.

>>25570698
Some are calling it the most bad faith reply in the history of 4chan.

>>25571174
And yet you don't say why. This is ad hominem.

>>25571165
Yeah and meanwhile over a million people died of covid in the US you stupid amerimutt mongrel. And your feelings dont matter when it comes to the hard fact that not only do Chinese citizens still protest CCP policies, but such protests led to covid policy stand downs.

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>>25571176
Do you not know who the men in that image are?

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>>25571186
People who still deny the existence of ZOGZ are either fools who havent gotten over their middle school holocaust programming or shills/agents of Israel. Denying so when Donald has destroyed his reputation to fight a war for Israel, while congress is totally controlled by the lobby and after the Massie race, and while Kushner commits high treason is the peak of liberal conspiracy denialist brain rot. Give it till 2028 and ZOG will be front and center of the national debate.

>>25570719
Only a JIDF shill can write a wall of dribble like this in 2026 after the Massie congressional race. Nobody is buying it kike. We all know you bribe corrupt politicians and are running constant espionage rings in the US because the FBI and CIA are corrupt as well.

>>25571181
they were only forced to do that because the zero covid policy was so shit and out of touch with what the people wanted that it caused the first mass protests since Tiananmen Square, so spooked the government into backing down. And then it was all fucking pointless anyway because there had been no vaccinations so all the old people zero covid was supposed to save got sick and died anyway.

You are taking the "west bad" narrative much too far with this one, China was objectively the worst country on Earth to be in during Covid. They literally chained people in their houses to keep them from breaking quarantine, then when there were structure fires people burned alive because all the exits were locked from the outside. That did not happen anywhere but China.

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>>25571186
go ahead and explain who they are and how people being in a room together is a sign of an improper conspiracy rather than just diplomacy.

>>25570383
Adorno was right to say Spengler would have the last laugh

>>25571199
can you back up any of your claims?

>>25571218
Why dont you eat a bullet you pedantic, bad faith kike?

>>25570613
Brics cope lol

>>25571221
>lists a specific example and points out the obvious corruption
>can you back up your claims?
You already lost the information war.

>>25571223
If this is you cannot back up your argument when it is tested then you have no argument at all. Ask yourself why you believe so strongly in things you cannot actually prove, and become angry when asked to do so. Only cultists behave that way.

>>25571214
Nta, but Australia was pretty atrocious, but I agree with the rest.

>>25571226
Can you provide any proof to substantiate this supposed corruption, or even articulate what you are actually alleging?

>>25571230
Not disagreeing that Australia was shit, but China did literally everything Australia did and a lot more. I can see people say that China was in a tough position, made some bad decisions that harmed its people, but so did every country. That's one thing. But to have someone come here and say China was the best country and handled Covid way better than America is simply a denial of reality, and an Orwell style intentional forgetting of past events as they no longer fit a present narrative.

It's afraid.

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>>25571235
>please demonsrate corruption of the FBI/CIA
https://gemini.google.com/
>>25571229
I'm convinced your superiors have rules against even typing out Jared Kushners name, much less his relationship with Netanyahu, much less actually acting in good faith.

Wow it's almost like Israel is waging an unwinnable information war on the internet, including in this thread.

>>25570548
this is why I can't take people like this or Robert Putnam seriously. They might be very smart within the framework they've allowed themselves to be put into, but they refuse to examine their own framework critically and ever acknowledge any weaknesses in it.

>>25571264
>accuses others of arguing in bad faith while saying "just google it" when pressed to back up his claims
Reddit isn't sending their best.

The number one threat to liberalism is Salafi jihadism, which is expanding rapidly in West Africa and has major power already in MENA (Syria) and Europe (literally thousands of ISIS fighters came from Europe).

>>25570723
can you at least reformat your AI generated garbage so its not so obvious

>>25571301
>spoonfeed me basic information on these institutions that have the dirtiest reputations possible
Fuck you nigger. You are literally on the internet RIGHT NOW. You were led to water on something that is already talked to death about. There are countless books on this. There is even an entire other thread on glownigger books right now on this very board. This is so trivial demanding this is as if you were somehow born yesterday. Asking for proof of FBI/CIA corruption in 2026 is laughable, like such a request can only be asked out of a bad faith excuse to distract from the original point that ZOG is real and interpretated these institutions, a bad faith so bad you dirty retards act like the very existence of Kushner isnt problematic. I hope your supervisor reviews this thread and cringes over how bad this went.

>>25571359
Interpenetrated*

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>Reddit isn't sending their best.
>.t

https://archive.org/details/CHAPTERX-OrganizedCrimeAndADL

Never forget, even the Italian mafia tried to deny it own existence. Societally enforced omertà is the first fortress wall of ZOG. Conspiracy denialism is the inner face of that wall.

>>25570910 #
Liberalism doesn’t fulfill humanity’s desire for recognition. His arguments for this are unconvincing. Liberal states succeed because they’re the richest and distract the masses with capeshit better than any other country. A funny demonstration of how wrong Fukuyama is, which he himself admits to, is that he mentions Donald Trump in the original book as an example of a strongman whose aspirations are satisfied in a liberal democracy because he could find success in capitalism and won’t disrupt the system. Obviously being a billionaire wasn’t enough for Trump and he did indeed seek to conquer the system, so how much “recognition” does liberalism really grant people when even our capitalists are never satisfied with anything?
>”liberal democracy works best because it gives exceptional people like Trump the mobility to become richer than most people and satisfy him, in any other system Trump would be a corrupt dictator”
>*Flash-forward to 2026 America* well fuck

>>25571186
Do Clifton and Lustick trace this back to the CIA, Bretton Woods and Truman?

>>25571359
If it is so fundamental and obvious why can't you provide any evidence of it? That cuts against your position. Again, you are behaving like a cultist, insisting your Truths are so obvious that anyone not aware of them is arguing in bad faith, but you cannot actually make and support this supposedly obvious argument with even the slightest evidence other than "read a book" books I"m assuming you have not read.

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>>25559951
Eat shit and die

>>25571464
Its not like you're going to read anything that is recommended to you. This is why people respond to you with such vitriol, its flagrant bad faith that isnt ignorant of what everyone knows and what endless books but have been written about, its a bad faith pandering where you clearly are just going to argue infinitely against everything and not read anything, because you're in the game of denying the global crime syndicates existence, not arriving at truth and justice.

>>25571464
>tripples down on bad faith
>doesnt deny JIDF status
Lactating almonds

>>25571368
Jewtards are fucking retarded and use selective cherry picking of evidence to over-exaggerate their influence on government. Then they go running to sloppy books everyone ignored which were written years ago, also full of errors and poor reasoning, to try an conjure up an argument based on their audience's ignorance of the topics being discussed. Get the fuck out of here, I've had my fill of retarded conspiracybros who cites a couple of media soundbites but don't even know how the "conspiracy" they claim to be experts in even works

Socialism is not the end of history either. If anything Eurosocialism has massively failed and everything else is a disaster. The end of history is keeping pace with the red queen in evolution, democracy is a vehicle for that constant remodelling of society which is why it's worked as long as it has

Typical Jewtard argument:

>They own everything, look at this news article with a jew in it!
>really, can you show me their chain of command?
>no, I can't. But I can show you this news clipping from 1930 where a rabbi declared war on us
>That was one guy about a hundred years ago, can you show me documents on their conspiracy?
>Yeah, the protocols of zion, it says they are trying to kill all christian communities and trick the goyim
>that was a forgery, anything else?
>you're getting tricked! You're getting enslaved by zog
>that isn't an argument
>JIDF! Good goy!
>etc....

It's actually just conspiratard ideas from the alex jones era with that kind of thinking, repackaged as the Jewish conspiracy by recycling old material. People who get into this will only selectively read information and books which reinforce their impression, all of which are crap. If you ever try to read Jewtard history books, it's hilarious. You'll get a long string of passages mentioning jewish people in any given context, trying to claim in the absence of evidence that they hate the population and want to enslave them, and then the beginnings of a shadowy conspiracy emerges whose actors and details are never given. This shit is like a finger trap for idiots from 4chan who get their information only through infographics and peer socialization without grounding in what they discuss. Mystery cult religion...

>>25571369
>Liberal states succeed because they’re the richest and distract the masses with capeshit better than any other country.
Your point is that all you need is to satiate people's pleasure and it will be alright, but Fukuyama disagrees on this. He thinks that you cannotnignore recognition and that the ussr managed to give people pleasure and comfort but could not fulfill the recognition part.

>>25571470
This book is just intellectual barbarism, which is common in conspiracy theories.

>>25570354
for some reason intellectuals never understand there is a difference between liberalism and democracy. they praise democracy so much not understanding it often leads to less liberalism

>>25570439
it's a good practice because it will make you shut the fuck up 90% of time, your position is not worth debating

>>25571507
>>25571520
>>25571546
Jews mad

>>25571470
For those who are wondering whether or not to check this out, Aaron Good is a conspiracy theorist who thinks that a cabal of corporate elites whom he calls the overworld are the cause of everything that grinds his gears. Examples (tgese are all from the book): they created the CIA to sell weapons and "gain global dominance," "invented" the Soviet Union for the sole purpose of being America's enemy because Orwell said something about endless war or whatever, orchastrated watergate precisely so that it would fail to oust Nixon. They are also, naturally, behind multiple assasinations and deaths.
His arguments for these ridiculous theories is pretty simple and predictable: he gives bald-faced assertions and specious reasoning. It's a poorly edited dissertation by some student which, I suppose, shows us how completely worthless polsci is as a profession. People who believe this shit also notably have no idea how to fix this behemoth they have constructed, which may be a good thing since otherwise they'll probably just go ballistic and their goals essentially boil down to very base and sordid hedonistic desires.

>>25571565
Whatever you say, Juan.

>>25571565
Listen, I am going to be 100% honest with you, you are a naive retard who thinks that the only reason people do not buy into your chauvinistic nationalism and women don't bow to your whim is because some jew told them to do this. That is the mark of a retard whose ideology is so garbage that he basically needs to delude himself into thinking that everyone will magically fall in line without necessary authoritarian measures if Jews just stopped existing.

They really have no idea what to do now that even their traditional golems are turning against them. You love to see it.

>>25571566
thanks, I had assumed it was going to be bad because a student wrote it but that's clearly beyond useless

>>25571565
literally proving my point. The power of the Jewtard argument is rooted in other people not having the interest or background experience to actually evaluate what the tards are saying. For example in other spaces these days I often get:
>Jews run China!
Zero Jews in any positions of authority in all of Chinese history
>Jews run Russia!
I pulled up Putin's inner circle one time and it was a supermajority Slavic
>Jews are doing the ukraine war to kill the slavs so they can replace them with a new Israel!
who the fuck in their right mind would verbatim believe this in the absence of evidence

on and on it goes. It's like we need a full time richard dawkins in right wing spaces simply tasked with debunking and puncturing jewtard arguments. The information creep with the internet and talking heads being able to socialize people has been insane

>>25571577
claiming everyone who disagrees with you is jewish, claiming everything you don't like must be jewish, and then inventing a fictional conspiracy you cannot even explain is absolutely pathetic. You are not redpilled, this is retardpilled

>>25571566
Are you tired yet of lying? Good builds upon Mills Power Elite and Glennons Shadow government frameworks, which detail how the upper class is structured and operates and connects it to the underworld of organized crime. Kennedy for example, if we reject the Warren commissions theort, was mostly likely killed by an Operation Mongoose cell, which merged CIA and Mafia-Cuban interests into their schemes. They had means and motive to take out a president who went against the mafia in1963 and who was waffling on the cold war after the Cuban missile crisis; and mind you, Cuba was joint ran by the mafia before the revolution and mobsters swam to florida like rats on a sinking ship to flee the Castro regime, where they then worked with the CIA to kill him. Good also gets into the wider history of the mafia and how they are part of the wider power structure of the American empire. Your written diarrhea just assumes as true the assumption that conspiracies are not real, that all conspiracy theories for historical events and sociological functions ipso facto erroneous, when in reality you cannot understand how covert intelligence agencies, opaque corporations, and crime syndicates operate without grasping the fact they all conspire amongst themselves and with each other against the public interest. Just labeling someone a conspiracy theorist doesnt work anymore, especially if when you superficially rebuttal a PhD thesis in 1 paragraph with clear venom. The sooner people wake up tk the fact that these are tactics to uphold the crime syndicates Omertà camouflage, the better. Do you want to have any further emotional outbursts to demonstrate to lurkers how desperate you are and how close the charade is to being exposed?
>>25571576
I unironically think you are an IDF shill who is getting completely assblasted because you have a supervisor breathing down your neck watching you shit your pants on 4chan.org

>>25571587
NTA but you and the handful of people who run defense immediately whenever the question arises on this board, are clearly jewish.

>>25571601
No, that's your fixation being projected into everyday life. I am thoroughly sick of being spammed with clearly spurious arguments by retards. And what's more, the problem has been metastasizing because this is exactly where the mystery cult gets spread. At the rate things are going, I'll check back into 4chan politics spaces a few years from now and every single person is going to be jewtarded. There will be absolutely no room for political projection and the thing will have become a pathetic insular circle-jerk with no power projection. Actually this is already starting to happen.

Total war on Jewtards, that's what has to happen if we're to get anywhere

>>25571599
So are you Goods? There is a place for conspiracy, then there are researchers who have never experienced the environments they discuss or lack the inside knowledge to ever credibly discuss the subjects they claim to be experts on. Tons of youtube talking heads fall into this category, read a mountain of secondary sources but have no experience or connections to ever make sense of it

This kike is boiling holy shit

>>25571538
Tell me if people in liberal states feel recognized right now as social media is filled with people in the West calling for mass ethnic cleansing and wishing Hitler won WW2

>>25571359
If you believe something strongly, but when pressed to provide proof to back up your claims you are unable to and become angry and defensive that someone dared to ask such a ridiculous question, that usually means you have uncritically absorbed propaganda.

>>25571621
>hurduur undermine historianism as a profession
Thats your argument. Thats it.

>>25571586
Jews are the prime movers of history. We are the axis upon which all events turn. No one has agency but us.

>>25571194
The lack of responses to this post tells you everything about the screeching in this thread.

>>25571614
The lack of response to this post tells you everything you need to know about the screeching in this thread.

>>25571194
>>25571641
>>25571645
Pathetic samefag

>>25571632
right, it's a cult based off presenting a strong absolute faith in what you're saying and speaking to topics most normal people haven't spent any time thinking about. I've done it, and if you actually push jewtards for specific examples their chain of argumentation breaks down into what is essentially cherry picking without context.

For example I remember one time pushing on the modern palantir jewish conspiracy thing, and what the claimant could actually say in the end was "Epstein, Trump, Thiel. Look it up!". As if that was evidence of anything. How was it that Peter Thiel, a German, was a slave of the Jews I asked? The jewtard then pulled up evidence that they had a mil contract with Israel. lol. You mean the USG was patronizing an ally with it's information technology? That was the proof of the world Jewish conspiracy to the tard- Donald trump had been Courted by Epstein, who was connected to Ehud Barak and Mossad.... so jews ipso facto rule the United States. It's all stupid peasant food when you actually begin to look at it. People in the future will be studying these cults as a form of modern folklore, kind of resembling urban legends. The fundamental precursor is that the people invested in the jewish conspiracy usually do not actually know much about the government agencies they are discussing, these things are glossed over by a strong metanarrative of how it supposedly works while lacking specifics.

>>25571646
>if me and my jewish threads continue spamming until we get the last word, that "tells you all you need to know"
hello rabbi.

>>25571646
>>25571644
>pls repond

>>25571614
No you are just that obvious.

I am thoroughly sick of jews existing

>>25571645
No one responded because when you called Trump anyone's agent but himself you outed yourself as a jewbrained retard. Trump only acts for himself. He attacked iran because he wanted to, not because israel made him.

>>25571661
See
>>25570569