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>didn't watch something
>calls it overrated
KYS

>watching anything but showa rider

>>22587049
In the case of W it really is. No way in hell is it the best Rider ever (not with that shit cop out ending, Phillip and Akiko) as people online been trying to make you believe since 2009.

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I know this is an obvious bait thread, but for me, the Inoue era of Kamen Rider aged better than the "Neo Heisei" era. Sure flaws all over the place, but there is something charming and special about them. Meanwhile Neo Heisei were kinda like, really loud, bombastic and at the same time, lacks the slowburn slice of life aspect of the older era.

>>22587084
Have you ever seen Changerion? He has been remaking the same show ever since he made that parody toku.

>>22587100
Changerion predates Heisei Rider. Inoue always have that comedic side of him, he just happens to know how to write edgy shit. But even when Inoue didn't write, old Heisei was still really special. I miss the slowburn human drama over the fast paced andrenaline rush of later eras. It fits Kamen Rider more in my opinion.

>>22587084
All things aside, Faiz as a show has the best aesthetics in all of Kamen Rider. Everything about it looks great.

>>22587117
he wears no pants

>>22587117
I love the gadgets and how realistic it felt.

>>22587122
Never let them force you to wear pants.

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>>22587117
Less is more, Faiz had sleek and simple kamen rider designs and the monsters were all grey.
Also the female orphnochs looked pretty sexy.

>>22587117
Kabuto beats Faiz in aesthetics. That said, the issue there is the really inconsistent atmosphere, while Faiz is much more tonally consistent.

>>22587015
The stretch from Hibiki to Decade was terrible. I am surprised it didn't kill Rider.

>>22587191
I don't like how Hibiki spent first half of the show grooming a literall child into becoming an Oni. Thank god the later half fixxed that.

>>22587084
Once everyhing stopped being a J-Drama with Riders in it, things started going downhill.

>>22587171
I still find Faiz suits and props to look better. Not saying Kabuto looked bad, but it felt more childish.

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>>22587196
The slice of life parts of old Heisei still best. Characters actually grew and developed personal relationships. Hikawa x Shouichi was a better bromance than Phillip x Shotaro.

>>22587196
>going downhill
I think you mean uphill
Rider stopped pretending to be what they aren't, and Inoue was out of the picture so we could get actually good writers to write consistent shows that explore their themes instead of the usual Inoue shitpost and nonstop infighting with everyone else on the writing board.

>>22587015
Kuuga, Agito, and Ryuki are all great. Kuuga can get a little samey at points and the action is limited, but it makes up for it with tone/attitude. After that it becomes less consistent, but all of Kamen Rider has always been inconsistent. The more recent shows are unwatchable to me.

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>>22587223
>actually good writers to write consistent shows that explore their themes

>>22587229
I think the reason why modern shows are so unwatchable because : the lack of proper insert Jrock song, too fast paced, lack of proper character growth, generic characters, flanderization and much much more. Rider has reached a stalemate, unable to improve itself.

>>22587242
It only has two bad shows (Revice, Gotchard). Rest is straight up fire!

>>22587242
>too fast paced
Phase 1 Heisei has the opposite problem. Often times the plot is too convoluted for how simple it is:
Ryuki, Faiz, Blade, Kabuto, Kiva, Decade make no sense and you have no idea what you are watching.

>>22587242
>the lack of proper insert Jrock song
Zi-O, Zero-One and Saber say hi.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQb3tfSblLo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcFxf9Kz4oQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEFFyo_Nieg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wETNZ85t0I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B06_8KzUFyc

>>22587223
I like the "usual Inoue shitpost". All the edge and retarded melodrama was fun. Misunderstandings, dumb arguments and people being tossed into that one river. Sure, I've liked the occasional bit of Rider since that era ended. But I will always miss it.

>>22587250
Then just enjoy the ride, not the destination. If a consistent story is not enjoyable, then it would be worse. Alot of those shows might not making any senses when you connect the dots and compile everything into a linear story, but at the momment while you were watching you could still understand the basic parts like who were heroic and who were villainous, what was their relationship dynamic like.

>>22587255
I watch all three of those shows and these songs appeared for like, 2 times. I want insert song every episodes like the old times, not these one-off wet farts.

>>22587262
Remember when Kabuto had the same 2 songs playing on repeat for 50 episodes? Can't fault you for Faiz tho, that soundtrack was fire.

>>22587264
The most reused song in Kabuto was Full Force and that dun dun dun soundtrack. Lord of the Speed wasn't used as much.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FcCC2mslHV4

>>22587262
I miss W too.
https://youtu.be/6ejbsgUiDJE

>>22587264
Faiz's insert songs were all fire and i'm glad to hear them often.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YD1-5mzwgEs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6Qc09XRQSA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fobDk2lzvB4

I love the soap opera cameras used in early Heisei. Gives it such a unique look.

>>22587276
I miss the washed out color grading and 60fps. Sure it wasn't perfect, i love it.

All the nostalgia on display here aside.

Phase 2 > Phase 1 > Reiwa

It is not even a competition, Phase 2 stomps them both with hit after hit. Phase 1 is a mixed bag of quality, they were playing it safe and still figuring out what they wanted to do with Heisei Riders. Reiwa has been nothing but disappointment after disappointment as they are not doing anything new.

>>22587294
Reiwa is just continuing what Phase 2 did best: advertising toys and simplify the story content to the most minimum, sprinkling in some pretentious dialogues to hide the dumb-ness. There is no obvious distinction. You hate Reiwa simply because Heisei phase 2 overstayed its welcome for you without realizing it.

>>22587301
I don't hate Reiwa. Zero-One and Saber were magnificent and polished offerings of the best from Phase 2 Heisei. But Revice, Geats, and Gotchard are nothing special.

>>22587262
You have Gotchard for that.
https://www.instagram.com/tokuaccess.id/reel/C2D_QQxStyS/?locale=fr

>>22587242
The acting is just too cartoonish and the toy shilling is too heavy-handed for me. I'm not going to knock it for those that are into it, but Heisei Phase 2 is about as far as I can go in that direction, and even then only if it's made up for elsewhere (as in W, which I like).

I called it quits after Zero-One. I only like that one cuz it reminded me of OOO and the Henshin sound effects were the best I have ever heard in Toku.

>>22587320
>The acting is just too cartoonish
You say that like Ryuki, Blade, Den-O and the Inoue shows didn't have scenes that looked like they came straight from a wacky cartoon.

>>22587311
Zero One was a chore to sit through.

>>22587326
Inoue/Shirakura era was just humorous. What that anon meant is how anime-wannabe modern KR has become. The modern acting is not "cartoony", it is just cringe.

I pretend Rider doesn't exist after Zi-O.

>>22587311
I personally find all of those Reiwa shows to be bad, or at best, mediocre. Heisei Phase 2 gone out of control is what they are.

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>>22587333
>just humorous
>is not "cartoony", it is just cringe
Wow, what a meaningless post. You niggas just say anything at this point.

>>22587326
Even Agito is less dry with its performances than Kuuga (most of which is Shoichi being a doofus, which is the bulk of the comedy) but there's still a pretty big difference between Ryuki or Faiz and Geats or whatever.

>>22587399
>but there's still a pretty big difference between Ryuki or Faiz and Geats or whatever
Geats' main cast of characters are dry as fuck. The MC is one of the most inexpressive and stone-faced dudes ever, the complete opposite of Shinji. There's only like two characters that constantly act wacky, and everyone in-universe finds them annoying.

>>22587333
>Inoue/Shirakura era was just humorous

The orphenochs are a dead end and everything is either dead or are going to die ending for Faiz is not humorous. Yes you have situatonal comedy like using the clothes iron as a weapon, but the theme of the show and the ending are both pretty bleak compared to Agito (where in the end you have the government trying to integrate the Agitos into society contrast that with the Orphenochs for example).

>>22587053
I see you're a man of integrity as well

>>22587015
Phase 1 was peak.

So I'm basically a newfag, I got into Rider back in 2022 when Geats started airing. The first series that I went back to watch was Faiz (about November-ish), I just thought the aesthetics were cool, had literally no idea what to expect. Ended up enjoying it a ton. While I've liked series from every era of Rider, I've enjoyed Phase 1 the most and it's easily the part I've seen the most of. As of right now I've finished 16 series (17 if you count Black Sun but no). Just for discussion's sake this is the order I watched them (was just "whatever I felt like at the time"

>Faiz -> Ryuki -> Gaim -> Kuuga -> Zero One -> Revice -> Amazon(74) -> Kabuto -> Agito -> W -> Den-O -> Fourze -> Geats (this is when it ended) -> Kiva -> Build -> Blade -> currently watching Hibiki (27/48) (also 10 eps into Black)

Out of all of those, I have significantly enjoyed all of the Phase 1 seasons. Kuuga is objectively the best Rider, Agito was too slow paced but enjoyable, Ryuki had S-tier drama, same for Faiz (my favorite due to bias), Blade just has a great story, Hibiki so far is pretty good as an episodic series (I know I'm almost to the point where everyone says it gets shit so we'll see), Kabuto had a really great plot and the characters were very likable imo, Den-O was weak at times, especially in the first half, but the overall narrative (what little of it there is, anyways) is really good, Kiva was kinda just Inoue J-drama slop but I liked it, it wasn't as well-written as Faiz but still enjoyable, and I'm gonna watch Decade after finishing Hibiki.

>>22587685
(cont.)
As for Phase 2, my opinion isn't as high, but not terrible. W was decent, I think it's severely overrated, it was fun I guess but there wasn't much substance there, people try to act like Fuuto and the cast are like Morioh and the Stand Users or something but the dynamic doesn't get nearly that good. Fourze was pretty good as a more slice-of-lifey season, it just has good vibes and a fun aesthetic, there's not too much to it but it does what it tries to do really well. I actually don't like Gaim very much, I just think the plot tries to be too dark for what the characters and aesthetic of the season are, so the edginess clashes with everything else and just makes it feel off. Honestly it would've worked better as a Phase 1 season. Build was pretty great, the plot was consistently engaging and the characters were mostly pretty good and some of them got actual character development.

>>22587687
(cont.)
I don't hate Reiwa as much as the average /krg/ anon, but I still feel like it's kinda just in a weird spot. Zero One has good parts but the plot fails to come together in the big picture in a cool or engaging way, it just kinda happens and the toy fever starts to get a bit much. I know it started back in Build but at least the toys were well-written into the show. Haven't seen Saber yet so can't really comment. I actually kinda like Revice, I just have less problems with it than most, I don't think the plot or characters are really any worse than other modern seasons. I'd put it above Zero One desu. I have a soft spot for Geats, since it was my first Rider and I watched from episode one to end and bought pretty much the entire DX toyline. I see the issues in the plot, but the first half is still pretty good and the second half has its moments, even if the overall plot became weaker around there (and they never did anything good with Keiwa and I'm still disappointed that Plosion Rage didn't make into the show). I really don't know how to feel about Gotchard, I wanna like it, at times it's enjoyable, but overall it's kinda weak for sure. I liked the vibes early on with the more slice-of-life thing going on, it kinda reminded me of Fourze, but after that they failed to introduce sufficient drama/plot so it's just not that engaging. Can maybe turn around in the last third of the show but I'm kinda doubtful, so it'll probably just be really middling.

So overall Phase 1 is best.

>>22587685
>if you count Black Sun but no
It's different but I don't know why you wouldn't count it. Same for Amazons.

>>22587692
It's not part of the main continuity, it's more of a spinoff.

>>22587223
You think wrong. Probably since ooo there hasn’t been a worthwhile story told in kamen rider that doesn’t come to a screeching halt every 20 minutes to sell another form or another rider. With no substance behind why it’s happening the stylish fighting is meaningless and it’s all shot so homogeneously to perfectly frame the suits and weapons that u feel like you’re watching a toothpaste commercial.

>>22587311
>zero was was magnificent
I’m not shitting in you just to do it, I have no fucking clue how you could think that. Every singe character is insufferable but Is. The story is every android story ever told but dumber and it takes 50 episodes. The suits are good but the monster designs are completely forgettable. What, genuinely, was there to like?

I swear I don't know if Saberfags think that show is good or are elaborately trolling?

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>>22587015
After I realized Rider has gone full kodomoshit at the start of the 2010s I jumped to Symphogear and had that give me my Heisei Phase 1 Rider vibes. It was literally a tribute to 00s Kamen Rider with Girls.

>>22587771
There's nothing actually mature about Symphogear, the only reason you'd be into it over Rider is waifufagging.

>>22587711
>Probably since ooo there hasn’t been a worthwhile story told in kamen rider that doesn’t come to a screeching halt every 20 minutes to sell another form or another rider. With no substance behind why it’s happening the stylish fighting is meaningless
You haven't actually watched newer Rider shows and it shows. Usually when a new upgrade or Rider is introduced they don't pause the ongoing story for mindless toy shilling like you're claiming here, they usually line those events up with major shifts and climaxes in the story.

If anything, Heisei Phase 1 is more guilty of having inconsequential form debuts because the toys weren't as integrated into the story as latter entries.

>>22587778
Its story is right out of Heisei Phase 1, coupled with all the brutal violence, but enough levity and focus on its themes of what makes a hero. It is very Ryukitier in its approach.

The MC of the series feels like she is based off of Godai. They use music to battle monsters like in Hibiki. Have the technobabble of Faiz ect.

>>22587794
>they usually line those events up with major shifts and climaxes in the story.
Not that anon but i'm fucking hate that kind of intrusive toy shilling. Even the story is not safe, now they have to sacrifice several sections of it to shill toys.

>>22587808
>Its story is right out of Heisei Phase 1
It's way too ridiculous to be Heisei Phase 1 tier.

>coupled with all the brutal violence
Only a dumb teenager would think that violence=mature.

>The MC of the series feels like she is based off of Godai
I'm genuinely puzzled as to why you'd think that.

>They use music to battle monsters like in Hibiki
Those shows are worlds apart despite sharing the music motif. For starters, Hibiki is not an idolshit show that panders to filthy otaku, it's a very down-to-earth J-Drama.

>Have the technobabble of Faiz ect.
555 has almost no technobabble, because they'd rather focus on the relationship drama than giving detailed explanations of how the gear works.

Symphogear's technobabble is like the shit you hear in many of the mecha anime that are popular with otaku, not 555.

>>22587015
Phase felt fresh and interesting because they did something that was unheard off, every show was its own damn thing and completely different from the previous, you had no idea what you were getting next! Each one of them felt unique.

After Decade they just decided to start reusing and recycling ideas from the previous 10 shows. You can literally describe every single Phase 2 show as a Heisei 1 series.

W - Den-O was better.
OOO - Agito did it better
Fourze - Faiz did it better
Wizard - Hibiki did it better
Gaim - Ryuki did it better
Drive - Kuuga was a better cop show
Ghost - again Hibiki
Ex-Aid - Blade did it better
Build - Kabuto did it better
Zi-O - Decade did it better

>>22587827
Symphogear feels like Hibiki had watched 555 and taken its message to hear with all her "We have to communicate and understand each other"

>>22587827
You should have been there bro. Symphogear was like a shining beacon of hope for me in 2012. Rider sucked dick for 3 years and anime was no better but this show basically revived my interest in the medium.

I dunno what you kids think Symphogear is today but back then it was considered a Madoka/ Fate clone with Toku elements written all over it.

>>22587832
Anon I agree mostly but what the hell does Fourze have in common with Faiz

>>22587842
The focus on mechanical shit. I did not want to say Den-O again.

>>22587827
>It's way too ridiculous to be Heisei Phase 1 tier.
Funny you say that when Den-O exists.

>>22587843
Seriously fuck off, if Hibiki can repeat then Den-O can, trying to compare Faiz with Fourze is like trying to comparing the Matrix to Despicable Me

>>22587835
How can you be so goddamn retarded? Symphogear is only similar to those two in terms of surface level themes and motifs, but the execution and tone is completely different.

It's like saying Love Live is a cross between Whiplash and Ocean's Eleven because it focuses on the themes of music, working hard to achieve your dreams and teamwork. You can fucking compare anything if you're that obtuse.

>>22587849
Den-O is a simple story about a train crew that tries to stop monsters from fucking with the timeline. Symphogear is a clusterfuck about idols that double as military soldiers using magic weapons to fight against gods, aliens, terrorists, ancient alchemists and whatever else they come up with.

>>22587827
Ok where to begin

>It's way too ridiculous to be Heisei Phase 1 tier.
It really isn't, when you have riders like Den-O, Kabuto, Kiva, Blade, Decade in there.

>Only a dumb teenager would think that violence=mature.
Symphogear is mature in the approach it takes on focusing and developing its cast and their interpersonal relationships, it is more mature than 555 in that regard.

>I'm genuinely puzzled as to why you'd think that.
Both are selfless MCs who will do anything to help and go through hell and body mutilations as they become heroes of justice.

>Those shows are worlds apart despite sharing the music motif. For starters, Hibiki is not an idolshit show that panders to filthy otaku, it's a very down-to-earth J-Drama.
Symphogear has only 2 idols and isn't idol shit either if we have to be real, the idol stuff plays almost no role in the entire series. The focus is on its lore and character drama.

>555 has almost no technobabble, because they'd rather focus on the relationship drama than giving detailed explanations of how the gear works.
Should have said how the mechanical stuff in it resembles 555 with all the weaponry and stuff. But the main message of Symphogear is Communication and it has a funny parallel to 555 core ending message.

>>22587871
Again, very Kabutotier wow.

>>22587852
Probably the same retard who thinks Symphogear is a cross between Kuuga, Ryuki, 555 and Hibiki.

Speaking of Symphogear it had a 555 crossover last year
https://kamenrider.fandom.com/wiki/Senki_Zessho_Symphogear_%C3%97_Kamen_Rider_555:_Another_Testament

>>22587877
lol pussy no need to get fussy
calling names is the easiest way of pointing that anon is right lmao

>>22587839
God, you sound just like a cringe teen from the early 2010s.

>>22587880
I fuck your mother in the ass

>>22587879
I will fucking murder you you cock sucking fattass faggot YOU FUCKING GAY TRANNY BITCH rider kick up your ass

>>22587453
Kaido alone is sillier than any character in Geats

>>22587880
why don't you do us a favor and kill yourself

you retarded tranny bitch I will kill you and rape your corpse and then I will eat you

>>22587879
Dunno why you wouldn't expect people to call a spade a spade. And if you think that that somehow invalidates what's being said, then you're even more of a retard than I thought.

>>22587861
You are gay

You are a little bitch ass faggot

>>22587890
I will rape your mother in the asshole and kill your father and then I will feed his meat to you you retarded cock sucking little piece of shit horse cocksucking pedophile

I will behead your dog and give it to you to eat

>>22587890
why don't you just kill yourself? dumbass retarded incel Chris-chantier troon

>>22587861
how can you be this goddamn gay? you retarded sisterfucker Alabamatier abomination

Imagine thinking shows for manchildren are mature lmao

>>22587880
and you sound like I just fucked your mom

>>22587897
>>22587889
very Inouetier not gonna lie

>>22587922
thanks that's what I was going for

>>22587890
what happened cock sucking faggot? Why silent all of a suden? >>22587878

>RiderChuds btfod again
bros, not like this!

>>22587933
It's a gacha game crossover. I know that the team behind Symphogear are Toku fans, doesn't mean that the actual show they made is very similar to the likes of 555.

>>22587945
>The crossover features an original story written by series screenwriter Toshiki Inoue, and includes cards of various Symphogear characters with new Gear based on Kamen Rider Faiz, Kaixa, and Delta respectively.

>>22587945
No cuz it is Kuuga / Agito / Ryukitier. Nobody said Symphogear is similar to 555, Jesus Christ learn to read ffs.

>>22587949
Don't bother, nigger probably never watched more than one post Phase 2 Heisei.

>>22587949
Symphogear is Kabutotier.

>>22587947
Inoue never touched the actual Symphogear shows, they brought him for this crossover only.

And I don't know what the actual crossover story's like, could be very similar to 555 or something wackier like its HBV or some of Inoue's other works. He's actually pretty diverse if you take a look at his portfolio.

>>22587949
Read >>22587933, retard.

>>22587236
Sakura is a well written character.

> Hibiki is not an idolshit show that panders to filthy otaku
Let us not pretend Kamen Rider isn't fujo husbando shit for teen girls and moms, now will we? They both check the same purpose.

>>22587966
>show that panders to filthy otaku
lmao, that is one of Rider's main demographics also

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>>22587966
>Let us not pretend Kamen Rider isn't fujo husbando shit for teen girls and moms
It was literally blew out of proportion similar to "girls like gunpla too". Male protagonist being young and handsome is just the standard in fiction. The bromance fujobait was there since like, the very first showa kamen rider.
Reiwa went full trash mode with shit like girlboss, "actress waifu" and anime-like acting.

Symphogear is the continuation of Wild Arms if anything. That being said in WA2 you can turn into a Kamen Rider.

>>22587877
I've never even played Symphogear lol

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>>22588012
Play Wild Arms instead
Same creator

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>>22588015
Price ain't bad, maybe I will. Sell me on it

>>22588017
First one is a classic JRPG (actually one of the very first PS1 games ever released). The setting is the most fun about these games, it is a western / mecha / adventure game. The characters are pretty fun. Wild Arms 2 is where it tackles dark themes for a JRPG and becomes pretty heavy (Xenogearstier). This writer's main thing is the "What makes a Hero?!" etc. Also if you love mythology they are full of /x/, it is just like Symphogear, that guys hasn't changed.

>>22587015
Only beta losers hate on the kino that is Phase 1 Rider. Phase 2 and Reiwa are just forgettable safe kids shows.

>>22588058
As someone who has a positive opinion on Heisei Phase 2, i agree. Old Heisei was something really special and out of this world.

>>22587015
>>22588061
I love how Phase 1 riders all have a sense of uniformity to them. You can guess them from a mile away. Phase 2 and Reiwa completly throw this out of the window.

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>>22588070
They still looked like Bug men.

>>22587794
once again, you're wrong. my friends and I are working through every single rider show as a experiment. I've seen Ichigo, Geats, Drive, Ex-aid, Super-1, Kuuga, agito, W, ooo, and Zero one. everything after ooo has been a blandly directed commercial. even Drive, which I basically enjoyed, spun its wheels for 35 episodes before deciding to become interesting at the very end. Zero one had great designs but was painfully mediocre and every KR zoomer's favorite Ex Aid is the worst television I've ever forced myself to finish. conversely, W and ooo were both fantastic. they're my two favorites at the moment with Kuuga bringing up 3.

>>22588077
Hibiki is an oni. Decade is a bar code. Kiva is a jack o lantern. not to mention two dragons and a train+momotaro. don't pretend phase 1 was already abandoning the bug theme.

>>22588089
hibiki was literally not a kamen rider upon development so fair enough on him, the other five you're being disingenuous. they may have alternate motifs but they still obviously evoke bugs in a way that saber or Ex-aid don't, as examples.

>>22588089
Let me rephrase;
>They still looked like Bug men, even if they weren't. They completely throw this theming out the window starting W tho. More specifically they tried to keep a theme with the first 3 of Phase 2 but quickly gave up on that.

>>22588095
Personally even Hibiki looks buggish to me.
Back in the day when I first saw him I never even knew he was an oni and I just assumed he was some bug, like a blue scarab or smt. They had a consistent policy it seems, all of that gets thrown away after Phase 1. They tried to keep a new theme with W, OOO, Fourze all having those same eyes but that went nowhere.

>>22588089
Faiz is supposed to be a land shark but he looks like a Firefly.

>>22587997
>shit like girlboss
i fucking wish, frankly. every female protagonist in modern rider is so fucking annoying and useless that they may as well not be present at all. i'd kill for a fem rider that actually pulls her weight.

>>22588121
>for a fem rider
how far have we fallen

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>>22588108
Shirakura confirmed he is not firefly. Just a high tech shark.

we went from anons hyping up every single new Rider (Phase 2) to anons hating every single new Rider (Reiwa)

meanwhile Phase 1 was 50/50 split of love it or hate it every single time

>>22588124
i watch the shows with my (female) friend. every season with a fem rider promises that this is the one where she actually does stuff, and every season she simps for some dude then falls back into obscurity by the climax. i feel for her is all. if theyre going to be there they may as well not fucking suck.

>>22588131
Nice, things aren't beyond saving. I was scared for a moment.

>>22588131
Women belong in Sentai. Rider is not their domain.

>>22588096
W looks far more bug-like than Ryuki, Hibiki and Kiva.

>>22588130
I remember reading an interview of Inoue, he said that he actually likes his own anti fans because they are lowkey the hardest core fans, capable of remembering stuff even he doesn't remember and occasionally buy blurays of shows he wrote just to hate watch then hate review them. Old Heisei is just that iconic. The reason why anons hate Reiwa era is because it is the perfected Heisei Phase 2 and that kind of Build/Ex Aid styled of writing started to overstay its welcome. The hate is not really for how "bad" they are, it is because how standard and stagnated they are.

>>22588088
Other than the fact that you've apparently watched a few modern shows, where was I wrong? You said a bunch of shit that's clearly wrong.

>>22588144
basically this. "perfected" is one way to put it but I would describe modern rider as cynical. its just going through the motions of what a kamen rider show "should" be instead of actually attempting to make a good show because they don't care. they need a toy commercial and at the end of the day it doesn't matter if its of any quality.

my friends and I literally joke that gotchard might have been AI generated for how fucking generic its aesthetics are. "alchemy high school playing cards," its like they hit shuffle on shonen / toku tropes and picked the most marketable ones.

>>22588147
>You said a bunch of shit that's clearly wrong
i stated opinions. i'm sorry if you like shows i think are bad, i hope you'll somehow find a way to live with the pain.

>>22588147
Not that anon but i seriously hate how you consider the toy integrated storytelling to be "good". It is anything but good. The story should be spent on non commercial aspect of the show, not on stupid looking 50 dollars belts. Who cares how the toys came to be in the story? Spending 4 episodes explaining how a toy came to be is fucking insulting.

>>22588141
W looks like some lizard more than he does a bug tho.

>>22588141
>tribute to retro aesthetics
that was the point of W

>>22588167
not to mention he and skull trail-blazed trench coats over the rider suit 12 years before shin thought to.

>>22588151
>its just going through the motions of what a kamen rider show "should" be
The only show that fits that description is Gotchard. Every other Reiwa show has tried doing something unique or at least tried telling a unique message.

Geats for example is unlike any other show in the franchise (no, I won't take surface level similarities such as "plant monsters" as an argument to the contrary). I don't like it, but I can't deny it's different.

>>22588174
fair point anon. i only got 15 ep into geats and will return later, but i did appreciate the sort of washed out dreary aesthetic. maybe what im being worn down by is the oversaturation of toy stuff. i know its always been present but new seasons average like a new thing every 2 episodes and the poor plot just fucking cannot keep up. so i guess, while, not exactly cynical, i feel the hands of the marketing department pulling the narrative to pieces as i watch.

>>22588174
>Geats for example is unlike any other show in the franchise
Nah, most of Reiwa shows feel like either Ex Aid or Build. Geats and Zero One are in Ex Aid mold while Revice, Gotchard and Saber are in Build mold. Either "half assed edginess with everyone being retards" or "everyone are wholesome friends and together we save the world."

>>22588158
This isn't about me liking shows you don't, this is about you making baseless blanket statements about newer shows.

>>22588162
>i seriously hate how you consider the toy integrated storytelling to be "good"
I never said that, it ultimately depends on the execution. The point I was making is that anon's statement about the modern shows "pausing" their stories to shill toys and there being no substance behind why things happen is completely wrong.

>The story should be spent on non commercial aspect of the show, not on stupid looking 50 dollars belts. Who cares how the toys came to be in the story? Spending 4 episodes explaining how a toy came to be is fucking insulting.
Toys in and of themselves aren't usually the end goal of a storyline in modern shows, they're narrative tools used to introduce or cap off a storyline.

Like how Drive ends up wrecking Chaser so hard during Type Formula's debut that Kiriko decides to take care of him, which leads to him having a change of heart that culminates in Chase becoming a new Rider on the side of the heroes (using gear that Kiriko's brother previously asked for himself but later rejected), but Gou (Kiriko's brother) immediately comes to butt heads with him because he has a bias against his race and can't accept his redemption. And the fact that Gou can't beat Chaser because he's the stronger Rider makes him lose his mind even more.

>>22588203
>Either "half assed edginess with everyone being retards" or "everyone are wholesome friends and together we save the world.
Those are such broad descriptors you can apply them to literally any show. Also Gotchard in Build's mold? What the fuck are you smoking?

>>22587084
Inoue is good at making characters and a premise that are interesting. People wouldn't be so annoyed by his often frustrating plot directions if they didn't care about his characters, who are usually pretty likeable. It's also become evident in recent years that he's a better comedy writer than a serious drama writer.

>>22588206
Half assed edgy is when a character and the related storyline suddenly turns to a darker path, sucking the fun out of his/her screentime. Buuut, this change of phase doesn't have a strong reason for it to exist and soon to be railroaded back to the default state, on top of that, the "darken" character also looks and acts extremely retarded ( example, Keiwa's 2 episodes villain arc, Aruto's Ark One phase and so on ).

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>>22588174
Geats is one of the most derivative seasons

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>>22588224

Sex with Rinne.

Rinne is so fucking hot

>>22588124
Incel, please kys.

>>22588121
>>22588131
Retard. Rinne is the co-protagonist and a well treated and treated character.

>>22587965
Shut the fuck up Thanksgiving-kun

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>>22588124
>>22588138
>Rider is not their domain.
It's too late. Female Riders have taken this franchise as their domain.

>>22588881
Why don't they just make a new franchise or smt?

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>>22588203
This is also my complaint of Phase 2 Riders. None of them felt unique and they were just ripping of Phase 1 Riders while also being child friendly and with none of the edge that made the originals interesting.

They also became a huge meme, and the belts felt like one large toy.

>>22588918
>upper roll
CHAD energy Commanding Respect
>lower roll
Beta Males asking you to buy their toys

>>22588918
Gaim is the only one that looks cool from Neo-Heisei

>>22588921
his visor looks like the piece of an orange

>>22588925
I think that's literally the point, anon.

>>22588918
Even with Gaim being the most grim out of phase 2, it still felt like some cringy anime for teenager.

>>22588918
Kuuga looks like a King
Agito looks like THE King
Ryuki is a knight
Faiz is a land shark / Greek alphabet ladybug dude
Blade is bulky as fuck
Hibiki is an Oni
Kabuto is a Stag beetle
Den-O is train ladybug looking man
Kiva is a vampire
Decade is a bar code

W is a beta Kuuga
OOO is a traffic light
Fourze is a rocket
Wizard is from a BDSM porno
Gaim is fruity
Drive is a car
Ghost is a zoomer
Ex-Aid no comment
Build is Pepsi man
Zi-O ... who thought that visor was a good idea?

>>22588930
I remember it attracted a lot of weebs at the time thanks to the guy behind it having a following. Still nothing compared to the cancer Drive, Ex-Aid, and Build let loose.

>>22588932
Don't disagree anon but Kabuto is a rhinoceros beetle, there's a reason that Gatack's belt says "Change Stag Beetle" and not Kabuto.
Also Den-O's mask isn't a ladybug, it's a peach.

>>22588946
lmao you are right, my bad

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>>22588946
To be specific, Kabuto's design motif is a Japanese breed of Rhinoceros beetle, kabutomushi. Regular rhinoceros beetle appeared in the movie, Hercus.

>>22588939
Man, i was there during Build's broadcast. Almost every redditors and discord troons praised it like the 2nd coming of Christ. I watched it and found it to be the most generic, uninteresting and boring KR show.

>>22588978
It had one of the most forced gay pairings imaginable.

>>22587015
Out of curiosity, and if applicable, when did rider's need for selling toys begin to diminish the quality of the writing and / or pacing?
For me, it started to get noticeable with fourze and got REALLY blatant around ghost / ex-aid.

>>22589030
It got really blatant with W. KR's toy sales was weak from Hibiki to Decade. During the 2009, Kamen Rider changed the broadcast timeslot and Decade became a short series due to this. With W, the marketing strategy changed, they reused Den-O's lighthearted and humorous tone but erase the slowburn J-drama aspect of it to attract more children into watching. Basically andrenaline rush week to week. Bandai knew the increase was gonna happen and planned alot of toys for W during its production.

The writing went to shit after Wizard. And I am being generous and in the minority when I say Wizard was the last good one, it is only the ending that fucks it up.

Objective Ranking:
>Heisei Phase 1
>Showa
>Megamax Trilogy
>Rest of Heisei Phase 2
>Saber (honorary Phase 2)
>Reiwa

>>22588932
This reads like a Doug Walker skit. The problems with phase 2 by and large are not the designs. IMO Drive, gaim, fourze wizard, and double are all strong designs. It’s the writing and cinematography that falls apart.

Also Kuuga will be the GOAT forever Agito simps need not apply.

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>>22589242
Based, true, etc

>>22588881
There’d be nothing inherently wrong with a female lead. Jolyne is the best jojo she’s just stuck in the worst part. The problem arises in that Kamen rider writes female characters for shit so it’s gonna be bad regardless.

>>22589280
>Jolyne is the best jojo she’s just stuck in the worst part.
Yeah the entire thing suddenly sucks when it has a female lead. A living proof.

>>22589321
Are you 12?

>>22589350
nta but she was terrible and gross

>>22589280
>>22589321
Part 8 is the worst part

>>22587873
>Symphogear is mature in the approach it takes on focusing and developing its cast and their interpersonal relationships
Season 1? Sure. Outside of that Symphogear has an extremely underdeveloped cast who have very little chemistry. Even when the show pairs characters up for a season they barely get development like in AXZ. You could remove the trio that appeared in G from the later entries and they'd improve massively. Kirika and Shirabe are dead weight. All of Hibiki's drama outside of S1 is insanely forced. She's a terrible character. Miku barely exists except to be possessed. The only good Symphogear characters are Chris and Tsubasa and even they only get spots of development.

>>22589438
i only read up through 7. why do you say 8s the worst?

>>22587015
this is clearly meant to be shit bait

>>22589992
yeah but i like talking abut early hesei so its all good

>>22589734
Not that anon, but Araki tries to do a mystery plot, only he still writes things by the seat of his pants and dropping tons of stuff along the way. Which really doesn't work well for a mystery for obvious reasons.

>>22587015
Heisei phase 1 are the only KR shows I like. Idk, if you watch Faiz and don't think it's cool idk I guess it's not for you.

>>22590039
Are Reiwa shows good?

>>22590297
No.

>>22590297
Yes.

>>22587771
Funny enough, the biggest Rider fans of Symphogear is the animation staff themselves. The main writer-creator Kaneko is more of an Ultraman fan.

>>22587808
>The MC of the series feels like she is based off of Godai
I watched Symphogear first before Rider, but Hibiki came off as having qualities of Godai, Eiji, and even Gentarou. Heki Hecchara as Godai, reaching out to help/connect as Eiji, positive and befriends people like Gentarou. Even her character where she takes everything upon herself to help people, even if its hurting her, is exactly Goudai and Eiji.

>>22590313
savage

>>22590319
He's a massive hypocrite considering the shows he's been part of.

>>22587015
is this serious? cause then my response changes.

>>22590333
Obviously not.

>>22590039
So Reiwa Hibiki will have the reverse issue of "first half bad, second half good"?

>>22590362
Hibiki's first half is fucking boring once you actually watched it.

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I pretend everything after Gaim doesn't exist.

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>>22588077
The first 3 Phase 2 Heisei kept the Bug motive, they are honorary Phase 1 Riders imo.
I hate that they removed it after until Zero-One.

>>22589040
It was obvious in W with all those detective gadgets but I never thought they degraded the quality of the show since they were used so sparingly. Relative to something like Drive where almost every episode there was a new toy car or form to be snagged.
The constant new forms in the first half rematches with the same characters for the second half of a season in seasons like Build is probably the worst variation of this issue. I still liked Build for what it was but it burned out fast and the last 12 episodes felt like they could've been condensed into five with the budget they had.

>>22590427
Let's be real, Gaim was the last serious Rider show we got.

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>>22590427
Honestly Build felt like a waste of time. First half was all yapping about war and politics, later half was "friends vs mustache twirling villain". There was no "humanity" in Build, as every main heroes active in their own echo chamber, their own self contained storyline. I really want to see Kamen Rider who actually a part of society, dealing with regular human issues that no new toys or forms could magically handle. And on top of that, the human issues need to be grounded and well written, not just a ridiculous plot device for the MOTW to pop up ( i'm looking at you Takahashi ).

>>22590449
Gaim's main flaw was the cringy shockvalue it occasionally pull. Also, the linear plot focused narrative really hurt the show with 70% of the cast ended up undeveloped. Gaim was ok, but not great. And i think Micchi should have been punished for his retardation, his redemption arc never convincing, even until now.

>>22587250
Ryuki, Kiva and Decade are confusing, I'll give you that. But Faiz, Blade and Kabuto? Did you even pay attention? They're plodding, but they aren't difficult to understand.

>>22589040
>>22590427
Sometimes I remember the scene where Faiz used both the camera and Faiz Pointer to finish off the crocodile member of Lucky Clover. The toys were few then, but the writers tried to be creative with them. Something like that will almost never happen in Reiwa.

How well did the Hibiki disc animals do? Weren't they introduced because Hibiki had so few toys except for the forks and the instrument?

>>22590427
>It was obvious in W with all those detective gadgets but I never thought they degraded the quality of the show since they were used so sparingly.
W'a entire story was literally a dick measuring contest of who has stronger toys. Most of the episodes can be sum up as: MOTW appeared with generic reasons - It was quite tough at beginning - poorly written detective investigation - W used either new toy combination or alternative forms to beat the MOTW - the end
You didn't see the non toy shilling aspect of W at all, every subplots tied to toys one way or another: Ryu's quest for revenge, the bromance between Philip and Shotaro and how this bond grew stronger and even the villain faction has their own set of toys ( late P Bandai, but still toys ).

>>22590452
>yapping
Kill yourself, zoomer

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>>22590474
I would say Faiz had many toys but those toys were well designed. For Hibiki, it made around 6 billions. I dont think it failed because of the lack of toys, but due to how out of place it was at the time. Kamen Rider is always an urban and relatively modern story. To make a Rider show consist of jungle and mountain setting, along with some of the worst music you can ever hear is so fucking jarring. Bandai should have kept it as a short lived non-Rider passion project with 12 episodes, something like Shougeki Gouraigan.

>>22590485
Build is a zoomer show.

I quit KR way back when Wizard was airing, is it worth getting back into it?

>>22590499
Honestly, no. The writing has been extremely mid since then.

>>22590499
Yeah, Wizard isn't really representative of the next shows.

>>22590495
Kill yourself retard

>>22590545
KR fans when someone criticize phase 1 shows: haha Shirakura bad
KR fans when someone critcize the absolute dogshit wholesome big chungus phase 2: ufuhuurewhrhdfhgygururreeeee kys

I wonder if Heisei fags realize the way Phase 2 zoomers are treating them is the way they themselves treated anyone who dared to imply any Showa series besides Black maybe weren't abhorrent dogshit for years. In fact the zoomers are more considerate than they ever were. I assume their complete lack of self awareness will adhere to the very end however.

>>22590499
yea gaim is weird but then it becomes sweet

>>22590672
Majority of Showa mockeries came out during phase 2 Heisei. The tension happened due to how showa fans started to become very vocal about the over the top change of style during the time. Phase 1 Heisei also got the same mockeries because a large portion of them were written by Inoue and produced by Shirakura.

>>22590449
More like the last show you watched.

>>22590452
>I really want to see Kamen Rider who actually a part of society, dealing with regular human issues that no new toys or forms could magically handle. And on top of that, the human issues need to be grounded and well written, not just a ridiculous plot device for the MOTW to pop up
You have Gotchard for that.

>>22590752
No, Gotchard is not mature enough. I want something less loud.

>>22590474
>Something like that will almost never happen in Reiwa
Seems like you never watched Saber, Revice, Geats or Gotchard.

>>22590482
More like all your rotten biased brain sees are toys.

>>22590754
Beggars can't be choosers, faggot.

>>22590761
Not that anon but i wouldn't call the rushed and lackluster drama parts of modern shows as the same thing with old shows.

>>22590769
Follow the conversation before mindlessly posting like this, please.

I hate how we are not allowed to have sad / bitter sweet endings anymore. >>22590482
W's entire problem was the shitty forced happy ending.

I dunno why Rider decided to be extra gay starting W, can anybody tell me?

>>22590839
Now it is straight.

>>22590816
>I hate how we are not allowed to have sad / bitter sweet endings anymore
OOO, Wizard, Gaim, Drive, Ex-Aid, Build, Zero-One, Revice and Geats all had bittersweet endings.

>>22590850
It is so gay they look like women now, jesus christ!

>>22590854
I mean, Gotchard's secondary Rider is a literal 16 year old teenage girl.

>>22590854
Anon that is a girl.

>>22590839
There is literally nothing gay about W. Phillip & Shotaro are into chicks, you guys are mentally ill. OOO I agree though.

>>22590848
NTA but Ankh, Chaser, Kaito, etc were basically abnormal monster characters and their deaths were extremely predictable. Phase 2 didn't have the necessary emotional impacts to make those bittersweet endings memorable. Hell, even the finale of Den-O where Ryotaro said goodbye to his Imagin friends was more emotional than Kaito's death in Gaim.

>>22590864
>what is bisexual

>>22590864
Phillips never really into chicks. He has a childish instinct to find a family, the show had him being attracted to Clay Doll then Cyclone Dopant in the movie. Shotaro is the heterosexual man, Phillips not so much.

>>22590869
Phillip even gets weirdly moody and jealous of what's her fuck in Fuuto PI.

>>22590869
>>22590867
>>22590875
Phillip is literally autistic which explains everything.

>>22590869
He's into one girl, and it turns out to be his sister lmao. Out of the two Shoutarou's a lot more likely to be straight, Phillip can definitely swing either way.

>>22590875
Also this.

>>22590888
I believe that was just little brother instinct to find his sister. Also, that plotline was poorly concluded. Claydoll just did a complete 180 and betrayed his trust even though she obviously happy to meet him again.

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>>22590893
Akiko is just so much more fuckable in 2D form.

>>22590866
>NTA but Ankh, Chaser, Kaito, etc were basically abnormal monster characters and their deaths were extremely predictable
I don't see you complaining about Tsurugi or Kiba's deaths just because they're kaijin.

>Phase 2 didn't have the necessary emotional impacts to make those bittersweet endings memorable
Completely subjective, you're just saying whatever comes out of your ass now.

>>22590936
>I don't see you complaining about Tsurugi or Kiba's deaths just because they're kaijin.
Their deaths have nothing to morn for, Tsurugi was a Worm with split personality and Kiba killed several people through out the show. They atoned their sins, simple as that. I just find alot of Phase 2 deaths to have undeserved tears. Chase has no personality, Kaito is an edgelord, Ankh is a raging selfish asshole and i don't fuck care if they die.

>>22590850
I fucking hate Rinne.

>>22590960
Blade and Faiz's ending are still extremely haunting. Even in Paradise Regained, Takumi was still on life support.

>>22590816
It then bit them back as Suda became too popular and busy to come back to Rider.

>>22590482
You're not entirely wrong about W's gimmicky gadgets but compare to the amount of new suits and monster designs W would put out in its run to something like Ex-Aid or Build. Those two shows in particular seem to blow their budget on making as many (cheap feeling) alternative forms for the protagonists as possible and consequently not having enough budget for fresh MOTW.
I really don't like it when those later shows stagnate completely because they have to fight Cronos or Evolt for 5+ episodes in a row with little to no meaningful narrative progression. Repaints and kitbashes can be alright if they're a rarity but they seem to be the norm nowadays.

>>22587726
>What, genuinely, was there to like?
nta, but my son Fuwa

>>22590940
I really liked that 02 took a step back from all the over-designed crazy shit and just went for a more sleek form that looked like an upgraded version of the base form.

>>22591127
I also give W credit for their aesthetic choices making the form changing infinitely more palatable. Every change but the very final upgrade is basically just a color swap if cyclone joker, the silhouette never alters. New seasons that give riders new masks, shoulders, whatever every single episode feel like they’re not confident in their flagship design.

>>22591761
I’m sorry to diss your lad anon but he was the worst character of all for me. Whiny, bad forms past his very first, and he brought meaningless rider-on-rider conflict with him wherever he went.

>>22591993
>bad forms past his very first
>thinking base vulva was better than assault wolf
okay retard

>>22591993
Fuwa's base form was his worst one by far lmao

>>22592004
>implying Vice wasn't the actual secondary

>>22590761
For something like Saber, you'd have had expected more personality to the fight. I understand that with that many riders, it's difficult to give each of them a distinctive fighting style, but Christ does the swordplay lack personality. There are dozens of way a fighter can use gadgets like the Jackun book to give himself an advantage, but we hardly see the the books being used that creatively. There is even a lack of respect for the fundamentals of swordplay like maintaining distance or getting into your opponent's circle. Am I supposed to believe someone like Rintaro is a trained swordsman?

Ghost was the last good proper Kamen Rider series.

>>22592011
I know that you are baiting but unironically Wizard and Ghost are better than any show in Reiwa.

>>22592007
>I understand that with that many riders, it's difficult to give each of them a distinctive fighting style, but Christ does the swordplay lack personality
Everyone does have a pretty distinct fighting style. You can't tell me with a straight face that Slash, Kenzan and Buster fight the same way.

>>22592007
>There is even a lack of respect for the fundamentals of swordplay like maintaining distance or getting into your opponent's circle
Real fights look lame as fuck.

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Honestly Rider peaked here.

>>22587015
Oldgoodnewbadfag is disguising himself isn't he? He's the only one retarded enough to make a separate thread.

I still remember he cooms to Black Sun bevause they recreated the opening, exactly like that Star Wars trailer react guy.

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>>22592071
>>22587015

>>22592074
You're making him cum OP we're going to get splooge all over.

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>>22592071
People are not obligated to praise new stuff as good.

I don't get the mentality of "newer stuff must be better". Alot of things changed due to monetization tactic, not to improve.

>>22592087
better cameras and special effects
a lot of the older heisei stuff is borderline unwatchable duo to how bloated it is

>>22592129
You might as well switch to capeshit because those movies are better at both.

>>22592134
>are better at both
Not really.

>>22592136
They are. Majority of hollywood movies and tv shows have better encoding, shot in 2k and even the most dogshit cgi still look better than Kamen Rider's cgi. Go for that if you only watch these shows for " good camera" and " better effects".

>>22592146
Zero-One looks better than anything out of the MCU.

>>22592154
Zero one looked absolutely dogshit with frequent bad cgi and recycled suits.

>>22592085
You don't need to love the new stuff, I have severe problems with Reiwa too. But this oldgoodnewbadfaggotry reeks of insecurity and elitism.

>>22592134
The irony. Always the irony.

>>22592183
How it is insecurity and elitism? Even you aware of the problems with later shows, no shit there will be heavy nostalgia when newer stuff have been consistently mediocre.

>>22591997
>>22592000
Overdesigned overly spiky visual clutter with no single eye catching detail. His first form isn’t even that incredible either but at least the asymmetrical colors and white plating are a unique look. Also noticed you don’t have anything to say to defend his character.

>>22592129
>better cameras and special effects
It’s literally the opposite. High fidelity cameras have led to a complete lack of cinematography in modern rider. Everything is shot clean and nice and completely sterile. Similarly, improvements to CG have led to an over reliance on it, removing all the charm of early years practical effects. Limitation is a boon to creativity.

>>22592087
/m/ is the only board on 4chan that will fight to the very bitter end to prove that new good old bad is an objective fact in every context.

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>>22592203
>High fidelity cameras have led to a complete lack of cinematography in modern rider
Just because shit's no longer on grainy film doesn't mean there's no longer any effort by any of the directors to create interesting compositions and artsy shots. One of the best directors in the genre only began working in the franchise around late Heisei Phase 2, and an Ultraman director clearly inspired by Jissoji just made his debut in Rider.

>>22587015
>Heisei 1
Fuck off

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>>22592593
There is nothing artsty about that shot. Generic man walking in the middle of the road. The visual of modern KR always look squeaky clean and colorful.

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>>22592867
You're just being a contrarian for the sake of it.

Kiva was the last good Rider show and Kiva was shit by Heisei Phase 1 standards.

>>22592921
Gotchard is a good Rider show though.

>>22592921
Kiva was fucking shit back on 2008 and it's still shit now.

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>>22592878
Alright zoomer, here you go. Notice the difference?

>>22592923
It wasn't, it just had a shitty translation that made an already intentionally confusing show incomprehensible.

>>22592923
All I remember is people screaming "Twilight ripoff" and "Fujoshi bait"

I hate with how kodomoshit modern KR enede up looking it attracted the biggest cancer of the internet to it. I blame shit like Gaim, Drive, and Ex-Aid.

Actually, scratch that. I blame every zoomer bby started trilogy (W, OOO, Fourze). Dunno who in their right mind thought Rider's new demographic were babies at the start of the 2010s. Was shocking when we got mature Rider shows again.

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>>22592924
Nope, self-hating larping zoomer.

>>22592949
>Dunno who in their right mind thought Rider's new demographic were babies
Get a load of this retard, it's always been a childrens' show lmao.

>>22592958
At the start of Heisei it was marketed as a JDrama. The only reason the Kuuga actor even took the role.

>>22592927
I know moonrunes, Kiva was pretty shit with the heavy focus on a self-insert female on the second half of the show and Wataru being a faggot on the first half, the 80s cast and Ixa were the only good things about the show besides music and suits.

>>22592958
Look at the toy sales >>22590490 clearly Phase 1 wasn't that profitable in that department until they decide to go full on deep with W.

>>22592960
>Start of Heisei
>Not your grandpa's kid shit
>Phase 2 happens
>It morphs into an even bigger kodomotrash
they failed

>>22587015
First seven andvthe first half of Kiva I agree with, but Kiva eventually tried to actually break the cycle and good on it. Also well done on calling out W, way too many people grossly praise it when it never deserved it.

>>22592960
Odagiri took on the role because they told him they were going to "shatter the image of Rider at the time", they didn't tell him they were suddenly turning into the childrens' franchise into some mature adults-only show. It was still a childrens' show, you enjoyed a childrens' show and no amount of coping will change that.

>>22592963
The only thing the chart tells us is that they got more successful in their goal of selling toys. If you know anything about the franchise's history, you'd know that Rider was created with the express purpose of being a marketable kids' show, the lead actors were very aware of their status as childrens' show stars.

>>22592978
You sound like an edgy teenage faggot.

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>>22592878
Both of those shots looked generic. Kamen Rider was never about super artistic shots, but atleast they had a proper mood and atmosphere back then..

>>22592992
Phase 1 Rider definitely had a much more mature and different approach. They were moody dark super hero shows, literally all of them except for Den-O and even that one had its moments. Yeah they still targeted kids but kids were not their only demographic, and Rider's main image was to look cool.

Now when we made the shift to Phase 2 they abandoned all of that in favor of endless Den-O clones that look silly, safe, and fun (if you are a toddler). The approached just wasn't there. Only Gaim is what I would call cool but that season is an outlier and feels like something straight out of early Heisei than it does neo.

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>>22593022
>Only Gaim
Gaim is never airing on HBO, accept it already.

>>22593022
>Yeah they still targeted kids but kids were not their only demographic
That rings true for modern shows too. And kids have always been the main demographic, always.

>Now when we made the shift to Phase 2 they abandoned all of that in favor of endless Den-O clones that look silly, safe, and fun (if you are a toddler)
Den-O is the most popular Rider show of all time, it's loved by people of all ages.

>>22593034
Except Amazons exists.

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>>22593022
>They were moody dark super hero shows

>>22593038
Not a mainline entry that aired in the morning childrens' TV blocks like all the other shows.

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Black Sun is the franchise's magnum opus.

>>22587015
I liked most of phase 1 and phase 2 besides 4-5 shows, my problem is with Reiwa and how even it's best show pales in comparison with the good heisei riders.

>>22593067
The vibes are immaculate but the plot is fucking nonsense. I don’t understand why these shows can’t just write a simple fucking cohesive narrative. They always burden themselves with 200 moving parts and then don’t even try resolving half of them.

I have a problem with riders racial / discriminatory / whatever allegory plot lines I haven’t ever seen brought up I want to talk about.

In a lot of seasons there are a monster / parahuman factions and they’re usually the primary antagonist but usually they’re like a species too. So like Bugsters, roidmudes, humagears, kaijun, fucking mole from original Amazon, whatever. And every time there’s a handful of good ones who help the protagonist, and the main cast makes a big moment of saying that they’re as legitimate, and as important as humans. And then every time, without fail, they die and the humans live. I got so fucking fed up with this hollow moralizing especially in Zero one, in which the entire plot hook is that robots and humans can coexist, but robots throughout like every arc in the show drop like flies and are thoughtlessly replaced while humans are never really hurt or killed on screen. But it’d not just zero one, it’s literally every season where they play around with those themes. It’s gotta be a ratings thing to minimize real human death in the show but it’s so obvious and so contradictory to the point they’re trying to make that I can’t ignore it.

It feels completely disingenuous, and worse, it’s trained me to instantly know that a character is going to die when we meet them. If they’re friendly and not a human, that means the narrative sees them as expendable to force a sad moment.

>>22587015
cool someone made a thread for me. Watching ryuki and i've been really enjoying it overall. the CGI is dated but its not that big of a deal honestly

>>22593067
I liked a lot of it but the story was all over the place. There's a lot to appreciate about Black Sun and I wish we got more things like it, though.

>>22593259
nice. im watching with my friends as well. i think its great. solid characters, great designs, its also the only rider v rider show ive seen so far where the inter fighting doesnt feel forced. also Ryuki has the sexiest kick o4g4sof any rider ive seen so far.

>>22593044
You took a random filler episode of Blade as an example when majority of the show is full tragedies. This is the equavilent of using Alain's side story to claim Ghost is a dark and tragic show.

>>22593923
>random filler episode
Secondary detected.

>>22593931
You cannot fool me, anon. I know all the jokes and meme about that Taiyaki Master episode but it was a short one-off story arc. Blade was consistently serious and majority of memes created from that show was either Amano Kousei's Wiseau tier acting or badly spoken "Gotta be strong" lyrics in that "Rebirth" insert song. Even Kuuga had more humor in it than Blade.