>>22587740
I actually think the plot is mostly fine. I would just give it more episodes, so some of the plotlines and characters can be expanded upon more. I would also just like to have seen more worldbuilding and action, like an endgame episode where SAL was attacking some Benerit facilities so we'd learn more about them, or a midway episode of Burion challenging someone.

>>22587755
Based.

>>22587788
If you can't tell a good story in 24 episodes then you won't gain anything from more episodes.

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>>22587800
That's where you're wrong. I'd get to watch more G-Witch, and I count that as a gain.

>>22587811
I'm sure a crack addict would love another hit of the pipe but that doesn't mean it's good for him or anyone else.

>>22587740
I still find suletta Sexier cause of corruption fetish and the thought of innocent and pure girls losing to a good dicking

>>22587818
Ouch. I will concede to that.

>>22587800
I dunno, I feel like if it was 26 episodes it might have helped the finale feel less slapped together.
>>22587822
I just like cute retards, and she is very cute and very retarded. Those couple episodes where she was depressed after losing Aerial about broke my heart.

>>22587740
Do away with the academy bullshit entirely. Focus on the rest of the setting and its development.

I can't enjoy almost anything futanari.

>>22587740
Guesule is endgame

Higher a different character designer, preferably one who has done porn. Turn the whole thing into an ecchi anime with raging hyper sexualized lesbians. Make sure to include some nice pilot suits. Keep the general plot exactly the same because no one will be there for the plot once I'm done.

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>>22587740
Make it even more of an Utena ripoff.

>>22587755
I don't know what you're talking about, anon, they're both black.

>>22587740
By making it actually good.

>>22588020
Suletta is some sort of middle eastern white mutt

>>22588034
>middle eastern
>white

>>22587740
Age the characters up a bit and make the school setting a proper military academy setting and not this weird middle schooler faction shit. Add a few more episodes and a time skip that focuses a proper conflict.

>>22587740
Cut half of the cast and plotlines. Hone in on either the school life stuff or the tragedy of war stuff, don't half-ass both. The Guel episode is the only good one in S2 in large part because it ignores the vast majority of the characters and tells a cohesive story in a reasonable amount of time.

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>>22587740
Season 2 should've been longer, at least a full 25 episodes. Season 1 was great, but the second felt rushed. Suletta needed more to do, or at least her final battle needed to be the bigger focus compared to the Jeturk melodrama. Everything else is good for me, it's just that final stretch of episodes needs to be a bigger stretch of episodes.

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>>22588034
Her biological dad is ambiguously brown with nappy hair. Best person to play her in a live-action remake would be a time-traveling Zendaya from 10 years ago.

>>22587740
Erase it from existence

>>22587740
Nothing, it's good as is.

>>22588169
>Zendaya is the only half-black woman under 25 on planet earth

it's non-uc so it's already inherently shit, just can it and move on

>>22588169
His skin is olive toned and his name is literally Nadim Samaya, which are arab and sanskrit respectively, both of which originated from the Middle East. The chances of him being from sub-saharan africa are close to 0.

>>22588239
Hollywood gonna Hollywood. It's either her or Amandla Stenberg.

>>22588276
>There's no one in Mali named Nadim
One day, you will understand that things in that part of the world operate on a spectrum, not a binary. On top of that, the mixed name origins imply mixed heritage on his own part. On the contrary, the chances of him NOT having black ancestry are pretty much zero. He looks like about a dozen African-Americans I've met (so, generally, Super Saiyan African + some Euro/West Asian ancestry). And they all have Anglo-Saxon names.

Anyway, don't get too worked up about this. You'll just play into the mischievous intent I had when dropped the original post.

>>22587740
Say it was all a dream by comatose Kamille

>>22588304
>immediately capitulating

As it is? Its unsalvageable. However, if you cut it off from the prologue and then do an intrigue story about Prospera balancing her want of revenge, taking care of her daughter, and hiding their Gund as they both slowly lose control of their limbs, while they slowly improve the Gundam, etc. It could be neat.

Literally nothing past the prologue makes any sense or has any quality. The setting is all low quality rip-offs of IBO, and the plot is worse. If you just get rid of the company infighting (or the beneritt group), and replace the remainder with the governments of earth and space and focus on that more, you could eliminate 80% of the needless fluff. And if you absolutely must focus on Suletta and Miorine at fag school, at least make Suletta aware of the plan and have part of the angle be that she's trying to get close enough to Delling to assassinate him. Have her hate Miorine's lazy pampered guts but put up with her to get to Delling.

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It played itself out too slow while also pulling its punches. I remember when the slap and terrorist attack happened and it was a big deal. Then the next episode came out after a short break and it just didn't really change anything. Then Sophie and Norea shot up the school while Shaddiq made moves and again, nothing really changes. And it kept being fucking nothing until like 3 episodes before the end where it rushed to the conclusion.
And even with it dragging itself out and focusing on the drama, it can't even do that right. The formal reveal of Suletta being a FUCKING CLONE, foreshadowed since months beforehand, was in an info dump and we don't even get her reaction.

>>22587740
The series felt like it banked hard on Prospera killing Eri to create bioweapons, with Suletta being the latest one, and that Prospera sought some kind of total meltdown of the world alongside the Quiet Zero plan. Everything after the episode where Prospera caused the Quinnharbor Incident would have to change to reflect a massive war breaking out and Prospera getting Quiet Zero and affecting the solar system with it. Suletta would have to face having actual code words trained into her that made her into a nonchalant killer, as well as confronting her basically brainwashed upbringing.

If fixing the series wouldn't involve giving it more episodes in this scenario, then a brutal war would have to kick off ASAP and Suletta would have to deal with a lot of trauma while also basically being drafted and potentially a danger to every faction due to those activation phrases. The series would end with most things and the companies devastated but Quiet Zero thwarted and Prospera defeated, or the war could be continuing for Ad Stella sequels but the major companies, Prospera, and Quiet Zero would still be bested.

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>>22587740
More Pharact
More El5n fighting alongside Suletta and Chuchu and being a smug shitter.
More Zowort variants doing cool shit

>>22587740
More episodes or less characters. They also completely squandered the first cour's ending so that should be addressed too.

To this day I cannot believe that no school earthnoid died.

>>22587740
Ditch yuri, make Secelia the mc.

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>>22588452
Anon her reaction to the news was the shot the episode ends of her ugly-crying in a normal suit floating with a beacon.
If your complaint is about her not being angsty later about specifically being a clone, then that's simply down to the news not ultimately changing much to her. She knows who she is and it's not just how she was made, her entire character arc is already about forging an identity of her own beyond being her mother's daughter.
>>22587740
I don't think it really needs 'fixing', but it'd probably benefit from another cour. Decompress the second season, maybe use some of their canned duel premises as well. Either ditch the Guel episode or make it connect with something. Introducing a whole new set of characters and setting, to have it ultimately pointless beyond motivating Guel's character pivot, was super weird and felt like it was a waste of an episode in a show already crunching for time. If the same episode count, ditch it and instead give a b-plot of him living hard on the streets of Earth for a little bit or something for a few episodes. If extending, do more with the cast and faction, maybe have him forced to stick with them longer.

>Self defense is bad
>War is bad, but not war is worse
>This technology could theoretically make people die if you intentionally killed them, so therefore it's evil and the entire inciting incident of the plot was in the right, and the only thing the corrupt corporate hegemony did wrong was not magically saving all the people they chose to kill with a power of friendship deus ex machina
There is genuinely nothing that can save a story made by retards, for retards

>>22588887
>Anon her reaction to the news was the shot the episode ends of her ugly-crying in a normal suit floating with a beacon.
No, that was in response to Eri telling her she's useless now and to fuck off, and then her mom pretty much doing the same.

>>22588900
It was her reaction to 'everything you thought you were is a lie now fuck off', more precisely.

Man, Ichirou Okouchi really seems to have a problem when it comes to either not capitalizing on interesting story threads, dropping ones when they get too inconvenient, or benching characters who have compelling relationships for long periods of time since said relationship would make said characters actually develop.

He did this with Code Geass R2, Valvrave The Liberator, and now apparently, G-Witch. What is his problem?

>>22588452
>it just didn't really change anything
It did. Miomio spent the first quarter of season two trying to process and figure out how to deal with it while avoiding suletta.

>>22587740
The only actual change I would make is to have Elnora pull Suletta into the hug she has with Eri in the Gund-mind-scape to show she is going to support both of her daughters equally now.

>>22587740
It's already fine as it is.

Make it unhinged like Cross Ange.

>>22587740
Make Suletta male, remove Yuritroons from the equation

gwitch has way too many useless characters and characters that just do one thing and then become irrelevant

>>22589990
Make Suletta male and get him to fuck Guel instead

>>22590000
Do any of those characters that become irrelevant feel like wasted potential?

Because again, Okouchi has this real bad habit of doing this to characters that, for me at least, are extremely engaging to watch, and who have great chemistry with the lead hero.

>>22590023
Make suletta crossdress like loran and then he gets fucked by guel.

I still haven't seen this show. I dropped it after the Prologue made me laugh. I think the happy birthday stuff wasn't supposed to be funny? I'm really not sure.

I feel really sorry that this was some people's first exposure to Mobile Suit Gundam as a whole.

>>22587740
More fights

>>22588018
Would watch the shit out of this

Im pretty likely to get flamed to hell and back, but...

If you mean seriously make G-Witch something other than just Utena with giant robots, get rid of Okouchi. Replace him with Gen Urobuchi, controversies aside, G-Witch at minimum would have been infinitely more coherent and we might have actually gotten something that felt more Gundam-like

>>22590443
>G-Witch at minimum would have been infinitely more coherent and we might have actually gotten something that felt more Gundam-like
It's not Okouchi the problem, but the director who is not even interested in Gundam/Mecha at all

>>22587740
There is nothing to fix.

>>22590468
I actually disagree on that. Okouchi is at least PART of the problem because he can't write a coherent story without using many of the same tropes he's done to death.

>>22590506
fuck off back to /a/, shit taste faggot

Not any of the previous anons, but I was wondering after episode 15 about whether the writers should have focused more on the academy fluff of its protaonists, or on the greater political drama that's been the driving force for its antagonists and Nika. Because mixing them like that just makes the show feel unfocused and jumbled.

>>22590544
/a/ thinks Mercury needed a lot of improvements too.

>>22587740
It's fine as is.

>>22590528
He was commissioned to just stitch together a bunch of ideas, while pushing his own tastes into it. The people above the scriptwriter is the director and the producer

>>22590528
>>22590615
*are the director and producer
and anyway, any product game or show, that has way too many drafts is already a bad sign and let's not forget that at some point all the things got scrapped because someone woke up with the idea of the school setting and had to rewrite everything, that's why okouchi was called in

>>22590621
>someone woke up with the idea of the school setting and had to rewrite everything, that's why okouchi was called in
As far as I know, Okouchi was involved almost right from the beginning. In some of the interviews he mentioned original ideas of WfM, one of which had MS engaging in WW1 style combat.

>>22590630
i remember in one of the interview mid show, one of the few, that he mentioned that was called in but not in the beginning. the fact he mention the previous drafts doesn't mean he was part of it, he also wasn't the only scriptwriter but he had co-writers

>>22590702
Rethinking it, that might have been he case. Sorry, I misremembered.

>>22590727
I could be wrong as well, but the fact they were always vague about production, because it ended in a utter mess doesn't surprise me at all

>>22590558
I think that's actually kind of the point, calling out the lie that this school for the privileged insulates students from the outside world. Everyone is bringing baggage from their circumstances and station on the outside, and war and politics insist on intruding. The Utena callbacks are kind of amusing in hindsight, because it turns out that the academy serves almost the opposite purpose as Ohtori. The conflicts within aren't a distraction from the process of becoming an adult, and the school itself is a flashpoint or lightning rod for all of the ills troubling the world. (Kind of like real life, at least for Americans.)

>>22587740
Focus more on the corporate shit, where there's a bunch of corporate wars between the companies where they doing hostile takeovers on each other. Also maybe each company secretly has a Lfrith Gundam that they stole during the Vanadis Incident

>>22589887
cool, the rest of the story still treats it like it's nothing anyway

>>22590926
>(Kind of like real life, at least for Americans.)
out of touch eurocuck strikes again

>>22590926
>calling out the lie that this school for the privileged insulates students from the outside world.
But we're still watching it happen. And it's clearly what the largest and most fanart-generating audience prefers the story to be. So why would you dilute it by bringing in this larger world they wouldn't be interested in?

>>22587740
The show gave most of the characters an unambiguously happy ending out of fear for audience backlash much to the detriment of the tone of the series.
Most of the Earth House chumps should’ve died during the attack on Plant Quetta; they literally contribute nothing to the plot.
Anything having to do with the school should’ve been entirely cut in Season 2. They should’ve gone with a timeskip where Guel is married to Miorine and the circumstances are slowly revealed retroactively.
In the end, Suletta should’ve been taken into the Data Storm and Miorine would vow to get her back by rebuilding Gund Arm Inc. from the ground up with it being left open-ended for a potential sequel/movie.

>>22591144
I'm as American as they come, by irony and force.
>>22591191
Gundam has always been some amount of, "Fuck you that's why." Or, I guess, a lack of concern for what fanboys want, in service of whatever message the series is trying to convey. Usually disrupting "wow cool robot" with tragedy, or conclusions that are deliberately unsatisfying for anyone wanting a clean, happy ending. I mean, it's not unheard of for Gundam to be openly contemptuous of fans and even producers/investors.

>>22587740
Rewrite the entire S2 from scratch and make it at least 25 episodes. The main finale should have been a three way corpo war happening between the big three and Prospera using that as an opportunity to activate Quiet Zero. Actually resolve the other plot points that they introduced on S1.

How about some actual consequences for Prospera? Fucking Shaddiq wasn't even the big brain behind everything and he's probably going away for life, yet she just gets to hang out at the orphanage Suletta and Miorine started? Really? Like they don't have to kill her off, just have her in jail or something.

>>22587740
Make it a Build series instead. Tanuki is engaged to the heiress of a big company because she won a Gunpla battle against a local bully.

>>22591644
Yeah but she did nothing wrong

>>22591419
So they're retarded. The only thing people want out of G-Witch is romance and family drama, but they still insist on bringing in a bunch of tired plot points stolen from Hathaway and Seed.

>>22592381
that's really what they wanted from hiring okouchi, he was picked because his approach to drama and not political stuff. so of course they are rehashing plot points from other gundam shows and avoiding to conclude them in a satisfying way whatever was going on in mid season 2, even the whole prospera's revenge and making mirione a wannabe hilary clinton sounds very half-assed because they are tied to the setting and not the dynamic between the characters

>>22592381
>The only thing people want out of G-Witch is romance and family drama
No.
Also, the point was to serve as a foil for IBO, so if you were expecting the failings and reality of the in-universe world order to not intrude on the intrepid young protags' small-scale interpersonal drama, I think you just didn't know what you were watching.

>>22592417
>the point was to serve as a foil for IBO
Kek no.

>>22592417
>f you were expecting the failings and reality of the in-universe world order to not intrude on the intrepid young protags' small-scale interpersonal drama, I think you just didn't know what you were watching
They didn't know what they wanted themselves, since the prologue episode was made only after the script of the show was completed.

>>22592409
So they wanted the show to suck?

>>22592409
They are tied to the character dynamics.

>>22591142
Wrong, it informs all of miomio's actions up until ep 22.

>>22592480
they are not because framing shaddiq or dismantling a whole conglomerate out of the blue because they decided that miorine should be free from any sin (even if gund-arm was founded with her father's money) and going around earth pretending to care about poor people is all about the setting, in fact the ending sucked ass because of that
and prospera's case is even worse

>>22592497
So you have zero reading comprehension.

>>22592507
and that's why gwitch western fandom is shit, the moment you question the stupid decisions because what only mattered at the end was MUH DYKES they bring up "the reading compression" when all the things i mentioned completely ignore the setting just to make a dull "happy ending"

>>22592515
Stop deflecting.

>>22592515
They don't. I brought it up because you clearly have trouble following the basic things happening on screen.

>>22588018
This. Zoomzooms have never seen Utena and it shows.

>>22588891
yeah, the whole gund format being "evil" was retarded. if you'd have religious fervor as the context then maybe it could have been an interesting plot point. But TECH EVIL CUZ IT KILLS PEOPLE from a weapons manufacturer is extremely retarded.

>prologue sets up an interesting setting
>s1 is basically utena but without any of the qualities that made utena good
>retarded stuttering waifu bait protagonist
>dyke relationship with 0 fucking chemistry
an awful fucking show. the first gundam i dropped since ibo.

>>22592959
>The point
>
>
>----------------------------------------
>your head

>>22587740
Nothing, it's good as is.

>>22592966
yes, they had an ulterior motive and a hidden agenda. the fact that anyone would swallow this story from an arms manufacturer is retarded.

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>>22587740
Is the show any good? I've heard pink hair character is funny so I was considering seeing it but of course there's a lot of bad press about the show

>>22593029
Very below average propagated by shills at Reddit and ANN. Get woke go broke.

>>22593029
It barely makes the cut for “good”

>>22587740
More feet, less whining

>>22592953
Yeah, I can tell that you haven't watched it.

>>22593029
>s the show any good?
Yes

>>22592966
The point is irrelevant when the only thing the show can keep straight is that lying is usually bad

>>22593097
The show is very straightforward and obvious about it's themes and points. If you didn't understand them then that is on you.

>>22593029
>there's a lot of bad press about the show
There isn't. It's well liked everywhere but /m/.

>>22593029
The show is good. It's free on youtube so watch it and find out.

>>22593101
Yes it's very straightforward in its hypocrisy

>>22593113
There is no hypocrisy.

>>22593155
yeah sure, staging attacks and putting lives on the line to uphold the corporate status quo because people could maybe die otherwise is totally something the story always supported

>>22593223
And Deiling was wrong for that. He chose the worst actions when all he had to do was wait for the council to shut down gundam development and buy gund medical tech himself.

>>22593029
It has room for improvement and leaves a lot of potential on the table, but it's pretty good. For some reason it inflames the hemorrhoids of a certain type of /m/ poster.
>>22592959
Gund isn't inherently evil. The reason for its suppression was that, when weaponised, it presented a threat to the corporate status quo, with companies preferring iterative improvement and relative stagnation that allowed the easy maintance of space corpo dominance over Earth Sphere affairs.
All the demonisation of Gund, Gundams and Gundam pilots was post-hoc justification that some bought into. They're terrifyingly powerful mobile suits but still just a weapon like any other.

>>22587740
Aside from the quick fix of just stretching out S2 over at least two cours, make it so that Miorine chickens out of the betrayal at the last minute and has to actually try and convince Suletta that her mother is using her, potentially while Prospera's continued manipulation leads to more deaths (that aren't 100% justified). Aside from how rushed it was, probably the biggest problems with the second season were how little Suletta and Miorine actually interact as well as how few fights Suletta is involved in (they literally talk once before Mio agrees to the betrayal), which is another reason the way the betrayal played out sucked. Expand more on the SAL and Notrette, so that they are more than a last minute antagonist and deus ex respectively. Also, develop Lauda more so that his conflict with Guel sucks less, and make the Schwarzette do something cool. Lastly, we needed an action scene with Miorine in Suletta's lap in Calibarn's cockpit, and Calibarn needed to hit a permet score that caused the shell unit to glow gold to match the Holder colors at some point.

>>22593701
I have absolutely no idea how you'd work it in but I agree, Holder-Calibarn and Suletta getting to be the big hero with Miroine in her lap would be objective improvements.

>>22593701
Also, I generally agree with people's complaints about how the beginning of the second season feels like it stalls out, because the first season escalated the tension from the first duel all the way to the splat so well. Although it would have been a completely different story and probably harder to communicate the themes it wanted to, I was honestly anticipating things would escalate into some sort of war/violent conflict by episode 14/15 that directly involved our main characters. The first school shooting combined with Cathedra's punitive raids on Earth seemed like the natural trigger for that, but after all that, the plot went from being about to boil over to falling back to a simmer.

>>22593703
You could change QZ to be something other than a giant space super weapon, or at least not have it be fully functional when the final fight happens. That would help by not forcing the writers to separate Suletta and Miorine from the very beginning of the confrontation, and it would also remove the need for Notrette's first appearance as an undeveloped deus ex (seriously, did they think that Eri was just going to ignore the Demi-Barding, or were they actually counting on Suletta to hold off Aerial, her bits, and the giant fleet of Gundnodes all by herself?). It also makes it less morally questionable that Prospera and Eri basically got away scot free with killing an entire SAL task force.

>>22593260
I am referring to the climax of the entire story revolving around the protagonist and the Good Guys doing literally exactly that with not one person providing a rational opposition

I hate that the show tries to sell us "see? the characters you care about and love are well and healing! and they are all friends now!!!" at the end as if we had spent a good amount of episodes worth of character development to care about any of them

>>22593775
I think it is probably fine to put the corporate espionage on hold while you stop a ghost child from being able to haunt the entire planet's computers, who will almost always follow the bidding of her Char mum with an axe to grind.
They also, specifically, tear down the corporate establishment as much as the much more violent plan was going to in the best case scenario anyway.
If you somehow get out of the ending that Miorine, Suletta and Earth House were out there fighting for the status quo and Delling's portfolio I think you may have gotten slightly the wrong picture.
Suletta wanted to try and walk her mother and sister back from the brink. Miorine and Earth House wanted to stop Quiet Zero and support Suletta. Guel is the only one in the final confrontation that expresses any particular concern about the companies involved.

>>22593819
Fighting for the status quo is effectively what they were doing, the only thing that changed was that Miorine shuffled some of the cards temporarily while making it so that she'd be at a disadvantage in all future dealings with that world
Stopping Quiet Zero is very much a "who the fuck cares" situation outside of that paradigm, the only justification they were given was them being propagandized into believing people would die if it was allowed to continue, which is the same justification used for slaughtering Vanadis

>>22593822
Anon, if Quiet Zero deployed properly she would've become the immediate dictator of the Earth Sphere. She put her revenge on hold for Eri but I really don't think she would've dismissed it entirely once she had the means. I don't think it even needs justifying that someone having near god-like control over every weapons system and piece of critical technology in the setting is a bad thing that should be stopped, no matter who they are or their current stated intentions.

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>>22593824
Revenge for the senseless murder of innocent people is justified and a little girl who doesn't want to kill random people taking control of apocalyptic-level tech away from corporations is a good thing

>>22593845
Nobody should have Quiet Zero, period. Which is what happens.

No Yuri.

>>22593029
It's not very good. The people saying it's good are under 18 and have never watched TV before.

>>22593029
It's actually good.

>>22593029
Watch the prologue + first three episodes. I'm a nonapologetic witchfag, and think it's a good watch. However, it has undeniable flaws, and I think it really depends on the person if they'll like it or not.
Pros
>colourful cast, easy to find a favourite
>intriguing setting
>cool mech designs and fights
>plot holds itself together quite well
Cons
>most characters aren't elaborated on too much
>Season 1 is very slow burn while season 2 rushes things a lot
>many side plots get wrapped up too easily
The ending will either leave you happy, frustrated, or both.

>>22596969
>>intriguing setting
>>cool mech designs and fights
Fair enough.
>colourful cast, easy to find a favourite
Ehhh... Colorful sure, but most of the cast is unlikable or doesn't have a personality. Suletta is alright at first but wears out her welcome with a total lack of development.
>plot holds itself together quite well
NOW you're reaching.

There has never been a Gundam show that holds up.

>>22587740
This probably would've flopped if not for the yuritroon premise.

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>>22601619

19 episodes in. I can't really follow what's going on beyond the broad strokes. What the hell is going on in this episode?

>>22587740
burn it at teh stake

>>22602843
Was naming her Utena intentional?

>>22603722
It's like when a show names a character after one of the Sailor Scouts.

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I genuinely cannot get over how fucking awful that ending was. Like where do you even start?

>>22607324
>ending
the whole thing was shit from the start

>>22601619
00 exists.

Destroy it completely. From the very beginning witch from mercury was a poisoned enterprise.

>>22607324
Lol she peed herself

>>22607401
I can't watch 00. I have to watch all of Seed and Seed Destiny first.

Also I heard season 2 of 00 is shit.

>>22607572
Na, it just devolves into a Zeta ripoff and does little to nothing with the cool stuff introduced in S1. Also, the romance elements are shit. But it's still a decent show.

>>22607572
>Also I heard season 2 of 00 is shit.
You were lied to, it's better than season 1 if anything.

>>22588014
I'm listening

How the fuck do you engineer the genetic code of tomatoes?! And why would you ever go looking for that?

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>>22607324
>Gets away with child murder