Rachmaninoff edition.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5S3pZ87h-FIHow do I get into classical?This link has resources including audio courses, textbooks and selections of recordings to help you start to understand and appreciate classical music:https://pastebin.com/NBEp2VFhPrevious: >>122433501
>>122458330a shit eating edition! how novel for /classical/!
Wow so based! I love the dark gothic feel of this epic music that makes me feel like I am in a Hollywood movie! Is that the Dies Irae I hear? Wow. Russians have such deep souls rich with the agony and ecstasy of the human condition.
>>122458345>>122458351Same Iass.
Obligatory Daily Rachmaninoff posthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3YPSoOYwLOo
>>122458355does hector really>>122458359obligatory shit eating? well if you insist, i won’t stop you!
R.
>>122458377for refuse or retarded?
>>122458359The glory of Rachmaninoff. This music is truly not just something you hear but that you live. Every time he goes bang bang on the piano I have PTSD from the emotional truth. And yet so elegant and aristocratic. I feel as though I am in a salon in my favorite novels by Tolstoy and Dostoevsky.
>Rachmaninoff met and became friends with celebrated pianist Vladimir Horowitz, a friendship that lasted until the composer’s death. Horowitz referred to him as “the musical God of my youth.”R.
>>122458430for rat or for rube?
Cello Sonata, Prelude, Vocalisehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0fpmoNuJaI&list=PLN_G3bWfXb3ouacnbPu0DC5U7ovM9gGUOR.
>>122458510for ratchet or for repugnant?
Guys I love Rachmaninoff but he is triggering my gender dysphoria by reminding of my large hands and making my cock swell with his climaxes. How to solve?
Since no one else posts music, let me go on.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGjoJ2yuwNc&list=PLs1oeJCZ4VmBELNhnlUoD1LJZkAtNUcRe&index=54Any recording recs for this piece would be appreciated
Massenethttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EitounQkEWo&list=OLAK5uy_lOA7gT-vQpieqZ9aPb4fvSB7R4Yv-Yubg
>>122458351kek
Already found a better recordinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJQ7sztpe0AR.
My favourite Rachs:>Song of Simeonhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQ3xfLP4LC4>Aleko - No. 2 Chorushttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6LNkCeosqEI>The Young Gypsy's Romancehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xAJ-2ssb_U8Can u post some good melodies I may not have heard?
>>122458919Third The Bells I posted ITT, I keep finding better ones lol. I think this sounds more clear, is in Russian also. You've probably heard it, but the last movement is truly wonderful. There's nothing like Rach.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-F-0NSzaVlAI'll listen to ones you posted now
>>122458330This has somehow played perfectly on my phone with no ads for 20 minutes now, yet that Schoenberg, Webern, Berg trash loaded them every 2 minutes. And this is MILES better. It kinda sounds like Star Wars
>>122458510Love that piece and recording, as well as all the extras that come with the release (eg Vocalise, op. 34, arranged for cello and piano).
>>122459084Use NewPipe, install F-Droid.
now playing
>>122459049>>122458919I added a couple of these recordings, and then more, thanks.
>>122459124it's a pasta
Basedhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9lrJn87Cqg
>firetruck fan is a coprophilewell i can't say i'm shocked
>>122458918for repulsive or for rank?
Post your stacks.
>>122458918Hear the sledges with the bells—Silver bells!What a world of merriment their melody foretells!How they tinkle, tinkle, tinkle,In the icy air of night!While the stars that oversprinkleAll the heavens, seem to twinkleWith a crystalline delight;Keeping time, time, time,In a sort of Runic rhyme,To the tintinabulation that so musically wellsFrom the bells, bells, bells, bells,Bells, bells, bells—From the jingling and the tinkling of the bells.
Die Totenincel
Danke schwester
Alfvénhttps://youtu.be/DfCx84KQQ60
Now Playing - Paganini: Violin Concerto No. 3https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=goPkVg1zzTg&list=OLAK5uy_nrnXv9XHDnLF4kFSqsDzChnYtOirOjMXI&index=3
Poulenchttps://youtu.be/9hgiP3XLKQ8
>>122458367>>122458411t. never even played rach's 2nd sonata.Fuck y'all fake niggas.I prefer this sonata over any of Beethoven's any day -- especially this Horowitz frankenstein mash up of the original 1913 and 1931 revision.
Rachmaninoff. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJpJ8REjvqo
Rachmaninoff at home.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qnad2T5U5jA
The Russians have a very bizarre relation with music. Despite how lively the sound is, if its Russian there has to be this tincture of melancholy imbued in it. Why are they so comfortable in expressing pain and melancholy? Guess we can ask these questions again, when we are comfortably drinking cockroach milk in the pods.
Rach Prince Rostislavhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVEdif8Jr_Y
>>122465388That's why I love Russians the most. They accept and embrace pain and melancholy like no one.
>>122465643fag ass
>>122465643>They accept and embrace pain and melancholy like no oneThey know nothing else.
>>122465793Good. There's too much happy kindergarten music out there already, at least the Russians get it.
Can I get some recommendations for more great Russian composers? I especially enjoy Borodin, Glauznov, and Kabalevsky. I prefer a strong lyrical sound mixed with melancholy
>>122466793ULTRABASED
now playingSymphony no. 3, "Song of the Night":https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zIixlkWVxI&list=OLAK5uy_nYK92YYQJnz5fqV7qJCpP8TDELwzY-HL4&index=1https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nYK92YYQJnz5fqV7qJCpP8TDELwzY-HL4&si=tP1J158jKCOUHsTy
Imagine being a music composer who died in obscurity and only sold one or two manuscripts, but several hundred years later people start attributing your work to Bach.
Imagine being a music bogposer who died in bogscurity and only sold one or two bog boogies, but several hundred years later people start attributing your work to Bog.
Menottihttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4JZzvZVrHc&list=OLAK5uy_mVLDym1KPlQQ6ZtGq5BHk1WXjNTO2UDOM
Bartokhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CoZEbonPmY&list=OLAK5uy_k5T7dUuptm8V2ShshFnq5Q9bKgX60Xs-o
>>122467509Kek. Who do you mean?
I want to thank my sister for introducing me to wagner
Is there any groovy classical music?
Why is it so hard for both the audience and the music education to accept historically-informed premodern (pre-Baroque) vocal music? They were all for HIP when it comes to the instruments, but not the vocal.
Hurwitz's chip on his shoulder about Dvorak is so funny.
Help me out lads.What is ths song from 0.00-1:25?https://youtu.be/GNnpdwdwxtc?feature=shared
>>122468383No. Groove is nonsensical. It's the feeling of being really into nothing happening."What are you grooving about?""The fact that I'm stuck here, and nothing is going to change enough that it interrupts my groove"Fuck you.
>>122468383Bog in his jigs and boogies
>>122464706yes, we know you enjoy eating shit, negro. >>122465372eating shit at home? i hope you’re doing it in the toilet!>>122468407because HIP universally sounds like shit regardless of what era it’s for. the second you drop any pretense of name recognition, interest in tolerating bad sounding music drops like a rock.
>>122468943HIP is necessary if you want to create authentic premodern vocal music. It's not just a matter of singing with faster tempo, and so on. There are techniques that aren't even taught anymore in average music conservatories. It's pointless to talk about whether a performance of a premodern piece as good music or not when it's not even what the music claims to be.
>>122469110people are not interested in premodern music period, and the second you add insufferable HIP affectations that only serve to make the music worse, people leave even faster than they would at a new music concert. i don’t make the rules, it’s just how it is.
>people are not interested in premodern music periodstop being bald sister
>>122469131Gatekeeping shit eaters is necessary, yes.
>>122469167well, you’ve succeeded at not only gatekeeping the shiteating virtuososloppers, but anyone that might have had an interest in listening to good sounding music, regardless of era.
thanks for the anon who suggested me Berlioz's Symphonie funèbre et triomphale, Op. 15, now playinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWat0Ttvvus&list=OLAK5uy_nLYcG-eYP00RNlMDhgtVQ1OHJ29PpuByg&index=13https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nLYcG-eYP00RNlMDhgtVQ1OHJ29PpuByg
>>122469216Np, glad you enjoy this underappreciated work :)
>>122469179People who are interested in good sounding music wouldn't be turned off by this.https://youtu.be/w_2OnhEB-8E?si=2XtoKUxep8QGeGHI&t=564
>>122469569What's on the paper; Yes. Too bad the singers didn't read it.
>>122469131Correction you don’t like pre modern music
>>122468383A night on bald Mountain is pretty groovy
>>122468383i was groovin to the coda of the mvmt 1 of the harp quartet when i first heard it. like i was bumpin
Stravinskyhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtIqBT-SzUo
>>122468383i was boogieing to the bogga of the boogie 1 of the barp bogtet. like i was boggin
>>122469569by the piece? no. by the performance? yes. >>122469693correction: premodern specialists don’t care about whether they actually sound good, only about excusing their entire performance practice away with appeals to authority.
>>122469729Why did they push him in on a box? Why didn’t he just walk on?
>>122469787They want it to sound authentic to how it would have actually sounded at the time and presumably how the composer intended it to sound
>>122469798the composer also presumably intended for it to sound good, which they most certainly do not.
>>122469684You don't actually like medieval music.
>>122469798>how the composer intended it to soundWhat's "Add a bunch of clashing horesehit which isn't notated" in French?And are there any surviving pages where we can see that he actually wrote any comments like that?
>>122469896I’m sure they would show it to you if you asked nicely sister
>>122469789I know right? His ballets overshadowed the rest of his repertoire.
>>122469862>European music all sounded like contemporary inbred camel-fuckers ad-libbing, despite never being written like it. Then completely switched to a different system which happened to be perfectly consistent with the written musicIt's really impressive how we actually figured this out in the end.
>>122470005There were manuscripts telling you how they sang back then, how they ornamented the songs. Scores weren't intended to forbid you from putting ornamentation, improvisation, etc. until the 18th century.What you get nowadays is soulless robotic-like music because musicians starting from the 18th century were influenced by the Enlightenment, muh hecking science, Newton, and all that.
>>122470275ok but where’s the part where they actually make the music sound good
>>122470275So true. I'm so glad Russian composers swooped in to save us from Voltaire with their profound and melancholic feeling for the chaotic unreason of existence and the metaphysical extremes of good and evil.
>>122470345russian teen angst posting should become the new wagnersister posting
>>122466793>>122465643you have to be 18 to post here
>>122470275>Enlightenment, muh hecking science, Newton, and all that.lmao what does that have to do with anything
>>122470337in the audio
>>122470876Science is just writing observations down. I.e.>"Hang on. This sounds like shit, every time."
>>122470985might be the dumbest thing ever posted on these threads congratulations.
>>122471095Why would you put a period at the end, but not before the congratulations?
>>122470894evidently not
interesting that a diet of firetruck and schoenberg apparently turns you into a transsexual-obsessed scat pervert with a raging hatred of polyphony and harpsichords
now playinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YiRhEjtxuho&list=OLAK5uy_n7mh0XuKF___ay4PfhCLMe2dSUbcDEApA&index=1https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_n7mh0XuKF___ay4PfhCLMe2dSUbcDEApAMight just spend the rest of the day listening to Stravinsky and Berlioz.
>>122472587>interesting that a diet of Schoenberg apparently turns you into a transsexual scat pervert FTFY
>>122472587i don’t think anyone advocating for russian teenage angst scatslop is listening to schoenberg
>>122459084Thank you
Recommendations for a recording of Janacek's piano works?
why is HIP music so good, sisters? and why does it trigger so hard our romantard sisters?
>>122472848I've listening to Stravinsky conducts Stravinsky (except for his ballets) and I think that most of his works are underrated, while others are straight bad.
>>122473306>romantardAs in Romantic era-tards? If so, I appreciate HIP, I just don't really listen to it at all.
>>122473344I like Stravinsky a fair amount, and even love some of his works, but the amount of times I see something like 'greatest composer of the 20th century' baffles me to the extent that I find myself wondering if there's a handful of his masterpieces that I have just completely missed out on listening to, lol.
>>122473306because you are deaf and/or an idealogue
>>122473614Square detected
>>122473671ideologue detected
>>122473418in fairness who else is really in contention for that title
>>122472848Why do you bother posting links to 2 minutes sections. It bothers me to no end, is like to hit you in the face, hopefully one day I will you fucking nerd.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=weQz5tGEKwE
>>122474205Schizophrenia
Beethoven's unfinished 10th>Ludwig van Beethoven's Symphony No. 10 in E flat major is a hypothetical work, assembled by Barry Cooper from Beethoven's fragmentary sketches. This title is controversial since it cannot be proved that all the sketches assembled were meant for the same piece. There is consensus, however, that Beethoven did intend another symphony.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKoE1f7evDA
>>122474205>>122474377If you click on the link, the videos I post are always the first in the playlist for the entire work... :/
now playing, more Stravinsky, never listened to this one before but I have Les Noces which I absolutely love so I'm excited to get to ithttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ScEpacWTJc&list=OLAK5uy_nXTRLyj8S3AFn9vmhIa0aRqQZ25RFLqkI&index=1https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nXTRLyj8S3AFn9vmhIa0aRqQZ25RFLqkI&si=klTrVLyXhkAJ0fwQ>>122474205>>122474613How would you suggest I do it? I could link to my favorite movement but a lot of times it's my first time listening to the work/recording myself; I could link to the playlist itself (which is kinda what the second link is) but then it wouldn't embed; and lastly I could link to each and every movement individually but that'd be a ridiculous and excessive amount of work. So I always just link to the very first movement/track of the piece I'm listening to instead and if you click the link and follow it to YouTube, it'll show and autoplay the rest of the playlist of the recording.The second link I always post is because that's how I myself am listening to it, so it's for ease of saving and listening if you also have a YouTube Music account, which just requires a Youtube account that is free to make but the free version is only 128kps.
>>122474487more of a barry cooper composition on sketches by beethoven than any sort of serious completion.
>>122474487>Okay Beethoven that's sounding good>WHAT?>I said "It's sounding good, Beethoven"!>WHAT?>I said IT'S SOUNDING GOOD!>WHAT?>IT'S SOUNDING GOOD!!!>...OH...OH YEAH, YEAH I'M CALLING IT BEETHOVEN'S TENTH! THANKS FOR ASKING !
>>122474885This was a neat curiosity, and I'm sure would be a great piece to see performed live but wasn't enjoying it to skipped ahead to Les Noces:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9NVJ2IjtsQ&list=OLAK5uy_nXTRLyj8S3AFn9vmhIa0aRqQZ25RFLqkI&index=7
I exclusively listen to classical made by Jews.
>>122473942Well, there's Bartók, Profokiev, Vaughan Williams and Holst.
>angloid composerswere we supposed to take this list seriously
>>122475248I love The Planets but I think people will make fun of me if I admit it
>>122475281It's just a fun colourful piece really so I don't really see why it should be mocked. Not as though it has any pretences. It's more a pity that it overshadows everything else Holst wrote.
now playing, sorry for the Mahler spamhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0ZxmxrBR7w&list=OLAK5uy_mK4XU4P7f_FGGOj02uQqQsEmZXxP9gtFs&index=1https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mK4XU4P7f_FGGOj02uQqQsEmZXxP9gtFs
>>122475248Bartók and Messiaen are miles above the others you mentioned, and I'm a huge fan of those early/mi-20th century british composers (don't care for Prokofiev though). I'd be tempted to add Milhaud and Medtner to the list, but at the end of the day it's definitely between Bartók and Messiaen
>>122474487I hate it when "composers" who can't cut it on their own "finish" unfinished works/sketched by older, infinitely better composers. Leave the unfinished unfinished and write something of your own, or fuck off
>>122475334I think it's weird that there's hundreds of recordings of The Planets but almost none of his other works. I have a recording conducted by Boult featuring some of his Suites, but you never see something like a Complete Works.Stravinsky's ballets overshadowed the rest of his repertoire, but at least there's diversity between Petrouchka/The Firebird/The Rie of Spring.
>>122472848kino
Norbert Von Hannenheimhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PeYOJB0T1mI
Baz from Essex takes on Beethoven. Brill.
>>122475616>you never see something like a Complete Works.There's plenty on record, though. I've got recordings of about 60 of his work, and I know there's more (I just don't care for lieder and miniatures)
>>122473942Šulhov + Křenek
who is the most mysterious composer of all time and why is it Abel-Marie Alexis Decaux
>>122475741well looks I'm a retard
>>122475809s'okay, now you get to explore more of his repertoire. Chandos and Naxos also have a lot of his stuff. Ensemble Arabesques recorded some of his early chamber works (he didn't write that many sadly)
>>122475799literal time traveller
>>122475577do RYMsisters actually
>>122475947meaningless string of random words
>>122476370do illiterate RYMsisters really
>>122475947>>122476379>I am a soullet earlet dicklet manlet niglet who doesn't actually like music a.k.a. pic relatedyeah we know
Poulenchttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qcaIlaPuzo&list=OLAK5uy_mEN0PRaULOaE8d2_QtUoMPWwgk9QWmjDU
now playing (piano sonata no. 3, op. 5)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5vX42x3-8M&list=OLAK5uy_lO8GqjavV-zFsyS90t8I9NBDLgcxPELiM&index=24https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lO8GqjavV-zFsyS90t8I9NBDLgcxPELiM
>>122476418>not being an RYMsister means you’re wagnersisterlmao
>casually cucks you with your princess wifebased
>>122477320try >>>/trash/ instead
sister poster is afraidHolsthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORInvuYFNfE&list=OLAK5uy_lme9etPGhXpwbsejeiKnuXAGceqZg5SMo
bach is soulless muzak
>>122474487who gives a fucking shit what that demented drunk idiot "might" have parped outwho listens to the grosse fugue and thinks YES MORE MORE MORE!!! WHIP ME LASH ME LUDWIGparp parp parp wee woo napoleon lmao the fucking phil collins of composers, only phil could handle his drink
>>122473263Pic rel. And then there's Firkusny of course, the reference recording ... both his DG and RCA recordings are solid
does anyone here seriously not like Beethoven
>>122479606there are edgy tryhard contrarians everywhere
>>122479606too loudtoo longtoo variedcan't shake my thicc ass to it
Am I done with russian romanticism? I've listened to all the greats (Glinka, Dargomyzhsky, Balakirev, Rimsky-Korsakov, Mussorgsky, Cui, Borodin, Tchaikovsky, S. Taneyev, Glazunov), eschewed the ones which were too "german" and derivative (the brothers Rubinstein), or the born in le wrong generation (Rachmaninov) and all there's left is these secondary characters I'm not sure have anything of value to offer (A. Taneyev, Lyadov, Tcherepnin, etc) and I don't know whether I'm missing out on anything. Is that all there is regarding russian romanticism? Should I really give Anton Rubinstein a try after he left me cold with his staunch adherence to the german school? I don't know anymore. I'm quite familiar with the post-romantic, early soviet, symbolic, futuristic composers, though there's a lot less to be found there because of Stalin and his retarded Socialist Realism which I cannot digest (Scriabin is pretty much the only symbolist, and as far as futurists there's the wonderful Roslavets. Mosolov's sonatas and a few pieces by Luria are great, though, as is all of Medtner and Feinberg, but again, Rachmaninov and Prokofiev can get fucked. Don't even get me started on Shostakovich)
>>122479733Contrarian includes anyone who says they prefer last 5 sonatas over Moonlight and Pathetique
>>122479823all slaveslop>>122480607bait used to be believable
>>122479823we did not order a yappachino lil bro
Can you be human and dislike Rach 2nd symhpony at the same time?No.
>>122481710slaves aren’t human
>>122481946You better be either Bavarian or Scandinavian.
now playinghttps://open.spotify.com/intl-fr/album/1JysO7vEUasbPtvlNhHs0e?si=qBE5rt4eR5uq1A5G5iaz3Q
>>122469707>>122469720I don't really hear it.
>>122482020anything is preferable to slavery, frankly
>>122482206thank you teenage angst
>>122479298Thank you, I’ll give them a listen!
>>122462858BasedPaganini's violin concertos are quite underrated especially the 2nd and the 4th, the 1st is the only one really played.
>>122482034https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_djkb1Fl5j0&pp=ygUaYSBuaWdodCBvbiBkaXNjbyBtb3VudGFpbiA%3DThere’s also a symphonic version of this which is pretty bizarre- a symphonic version of a disco version of a symphonic composition
Does the poster formally known as sister poster even like any classical music at all ?
>he pours over the meaning of a deaf alcoholic's syrupy gloopy firetruck paeans to weltseele zu pferde>he takes himself VERY VERY seriouslylmaoooooooooooooooooooooooo
now playinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcXiB08CfiM&list=OLAK5uy_mXQEx_v9Si-a-mDvf8VhGZqKaKxfv27EI&index=1https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mXQEx_v9Si-a-mDvf8VhGZqKaKxfv27EI
>>122483346I haven't seen the movie, and really expected that was gonna be the 5th, that I've heard before. I didn't realize disco people where that into classical.
>>122483495I'm listening to Poulenc's Stabat Mater at the moment but the recording kinda sucks (Prêtre)
>>122465643>>122465793Haven't you guys ever heard of Stravinsky?
>>122483847I love this Shaw recording of it (can't ever go wrong with Shaw).
>>122483854>By citizenship Stravinsky was not Russian after 1918. By cultural orientation, it could be argued, he stopped being Russian in 1922.
>>122484074Retarded take.
>>122484178He was literally the least Russian composer of all the Russian composers. This is basic knowledge. If you cannot comprehend that, you have no business being here.
>>122484178Stravinsky's retarded take no less>But before the end of the war came the Russian Revolution and the Bolshevik coup, and Stravinsky decided he would never go home. That decision, along with the first big flop of his career, the opera “Mavra” in 1922, convinced Stravinsky that he had to stop representing himself as a Russian composer. He never set another word of Russian to music and declared himself a composer of “pure music,” pledged “to exhaust and scuttle the limited tradition of my birthright,” as he put it much later to his musical assistant Robert Craft
>thread full of schoenberg fanboys hates stravinskyquelle surprise
>>122484293Where's the hate?
In terms of composersRussia = Germany > rest
>>122484293not a single negative thing has been said about stravinsky so far. if anything, distancing him from the rest of the slaves is the highest praise possible.>>122484553don’t flatter yourself, slave.
>german composers>goodlol
>slaves>composerslol
>"slaves"is this guy an irl chudjak
>>122484553French>Russian>Italian>German
>>122484225meaningless nonsense
>>122484750>>122484254
Beethoven's 28th sonata sounds like Debussy.
>”chudjak”is this guy an irl slave>>122484766no one in the history of music has ever thought this
imagine the state of this guy's chin
imagine the state of this slave’s country
>>122484764That's called cope. By the twentieth century nationalistic sounds take a backseat to personal style. Hence we can only go by birth country to determine what a composer's nationality is. Stravinsky was literally trained by Rimsky-Korsakov, began his career stealing (his own language) Russian folk tunes and in general was a happier composer than ANY of his contemporaries all throughout the world. He certainly remained a Russian composer all throughout his career but a happy one. No special pleading for you.
>>122484869lol
>>122484869do slaves really believe this
>>122484843>>122484863>>122484903Not sure what this has to do with /classical/ perhaps try r/racism instead?
>>122484903>>122484878You know Rachmaninoff lived in America as well, right?
>>122484936try /r/slavery instead, slave>>122484997slavery is a state of mind.
>>122485086Literally begging the question
>>122485112begging is all slaves are good for, yes.
>>122485130So you're a self-hating slav?
>>122485205both a slave and illiterate, impressive
>>122485130Spoken like one who’s been regularly buck broken
>>122485314spoken like a faggot slave like your hero tchaikovsky
>>122485228both a retard and a pseud, impressive
>>122483056>Paganini's violin concertos are quite underratedare you for real
>>122485381pathetically predictable slave
>>122485228>IlliterateOh, so it was a nonsequitur?
>>122484225>literally the least Russian composer of all the Russian composers
>>122484705maybe look up the etymology of the word slav?>>122484721you're rating women, right?
>>122485431incoherent slave babble
>>122479823I'll assume, considering the kind of replies I got, that the answer to my question is yes. Thanks again for being useless, /classical/
>>122485462if he is, russian should go first, french last, and italian shouldn't even be there
>>122485513LOL
>>122485499don’t let your master’s whip hit you on your way out, slave.
>>122485462Yes French>Russian>Italian>German>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>toothless aboriginal glue addict>your mum
>>122485329>no u
>>122485668that would imply that any of my heroes are faggot slaves, which is patently false
name one (1) german piece even half as beautiful as tchaikovsky's 6th
>>122485735pathetic slave lol
Today I'm in the mood for some russian composer.
>>122485743Thank you wignat
>>122485914thank you pathetic faggot slave
>>122485743No answer. Concession: accepted
>>122486048conceding to a slave? in your dreams
>>122486134Yet another defeat for the Lonely Chud poster
>>122480607maybe in a casual setting, but certainly not in places like this. Anyone who actively participate in listening to and discussing classical, and has listened to all those works will find "moonlight and pathetique are better than the last 5 sonatas" to be the contrarian stance.
>>122486146no one has ever lost to a slave, lol
Everytime I actually listen to Bach's St Matthew Passion (Richter) all the way through I cannot believe just how incredible of a work of music it is. Even most masterpieces offer just a few glimpses into the divine throughout their entirety but this, and the Mass in B Minor, keeps on giving and giving. How did he do it bros? Damn.
https://youtu.be/T62gvV9d_X4?si=0piu8ckWhSCe0FmU
>>122485735Favorite recording of Tchai's 6th? And other late symphonies you like.
>>122486208Let me just pull up the Lonely Chud poster's(that's you btw) stats ah yes let's see:List of arguments won: 0Knowledge of Classical music: Very PoorQuality of posts: Shit
Is this the worst general on the whole fucking site?
>>122486272do leftypol slaves really
>>122486285>do leftypol Even more unfounded (and wrong) assumptions
>>122486278truthfully it's one of the better ones lol
>>122486278It has the most intellectually stimulating discussion
>>122486278No. On the entire internet.
>>122486313slaves really are stupid, we all know you’re a bunkerchan refugee.
>>122486483Listened to MEHler 2 yesterday and almost feel asleep. Is there a MEHler symphony that won't bore me to death
>>122486772none, they aren’t designed for schizophrenic homosexuals. maybe try tchaikovsky instead?
>>122486772They're all so different you should really give them all a listen. 4 is probably the most immediately gratifying and traditional sounding.
>>122486873Listened to 4 and fell asleep long ago. MEHler is undispited king of boredom but I'll give it another try
Reineckehttps://youtu.be/yQztvXu_gUM
>>122487004I think 5 is the first one I ever listened to and I immediately fell in love.
>>122487004like i said, it’s not for schizophrenic homosexuals. you’ll have better luck with tchaikovsky
>>122487022Rec recording please>>122487081>filtered by tchaikovskyCringe
>>122487100filtered by my sewage filter, yes.
Hello gentlemen, anyone have a mega folder for Josquin masses? The pastebin only has the Hercules and a bunch of motets that I could find.
>>122487100>Rec recording pleaseI'm not sure I would consider either my favorite but they're both great starting points:Karajan / BPOhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HsclK5ytvAgBut if your issue is you keep falling asleep, then this one might be better suited for you:Bernstein / VPOhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8eptq2dw2ec
>>122487105Thank you raging chudcel
>>122487149Thanks anon.
>>122487149horrific dogshit courtesy of the piss label>>122487154thank you bunkerchan refugee
>>122487170Happy to help, hope you enjoy!
>>122473418>>122473942>>122475248>>122475577Martinu was the greatest of the 20th century and posterity will come to agree with me.
>>122487190posterity has arrived, and it doesn’t give a shit about martinu
>>122487173We'll let's see what you have to post then
>>122487199More than any other composer I've encountered, Mahler's works are the most subject to drastic variation through differing interpretations. So you'll always have some people who hate X recording and others who hate Y recording of Mahler despite each being great for a certain set of preferences. Bernstein's Mahler, for example, is notorious for being, depending who you ask, anything from thrilling to overwrought to bringing Mahler to life to a caricature, etc. So don't worry about differing opinions on recordings of Mahler too much, exploring all the different variations is a lot of fun, and is why I've been spamming these threads with plethora of recordings I've been listening to in the past month or so, lol.
>>122487199i’ve said time and time again, the only recordings of a 5th worth a shit are the ones able to keep the adagietto under 9 minutes. this is broadly split into 2 categories: recordings pre-bernstein (bruno walter, rudolf schwarz, erich leinsdorf, and kirill kondrashin) and recordings in very recent memory (riccardo chailly’s gewandhaus recording and rudolf barshai). anything else is forfeit by default. >>122487296quite foolish.
Tchaikovsky's 6th is objectively better than Mahler's best which is probably 9th
>>122487335worry not, pathetic slave music is perfectly suited to your kind.
>>122487311>adagietto under 9 minutesWhy?
>>122487343You're either the biggest troll of this general or seriously schizophrenic piece of shit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Sb8WCPjPDsTchaikovsky was the connoisseur of melodies. I expect that he imagined castles, paintings and nature during his compositions. Listening to a Tchaikovsky piece makes you transition into a different gender. https://youtu.be/2Sb8WCPjPDs?t=122 This gay emotional surge that is brought by such a sublime piece of art. How can our generation even compare to such excellency? Just look at the state of current art, be it paintings or music, it is all degenerate and godless.It is better to just kill yourself than remain in such a stagnant and sterile world.
>>122487348adagietto means "a little slow" or "slow-ish". We have documentation letting us know it used to be played much faster closer to Mahler's life and got slower as time went on.
Left (Tchaikovsky) or Right (((Mahler)))Which way, white man?
>>122487348i already wrote in detail regarding this, so let me copy and paste what i already wrote last time. >prior to bernstein’s landmark columbia recording of the 5th, virtually every interpretation of the adagietto stuck to a 7-8 minute runtime. see mengelberg here:>https://youtu.be/jZDxsZfcG7M?si=QlX5e75DYc2T17ck>this is the fastest recording of the adagietto there is on record, from a conductor that personally knew mahler very well and was one of his favorite conductors for his own music (this does not excuse that horrific recording of the 4th from 13 years later).>here is bruno walter’s studio recording: >https://youtu.be/3j3Wlh8ynV0?si=xOp3biyIT2asOT-X>again, lightning fast. some argue that this is because of time constraints on shellac records; even if we account for this, his live recordings of the same movement generally take about 8 minutes, still much shorter than the post-bernstein era.here is a recording of the 5th from 5 years before bernstein’s recording:>https://youtu.be/W8Sken8ly3o?si=tmt-YvnFI_94uRSw>again, a recording under 8 minutes>now, we fast forward to bernstein’s recording in 1963 clocking in at 11 whopping minutes. suddenly it becomes fashionable to take turgid tempos in the adagietto, ignoring the fact that it was written as a song without words in the mendelssohn style and was written with an accompanying poem from the composer. then, in 1968, bernstein conducts just the adagietto as funeral music at the funeral of RFK, cementing the adagietto’s status as love song turned funeral march. this is the origin of the performance practice that still persists 6 decades later; a hysterical and misinformed farce.>>122487374nevermind documentation, we have living proof in the form of recordings from conductors who knew mahler. why do we have any reason to believe the false constructs of a histrionic well known for living vicariously through mahler when we have bruno walter to tell us the truth?
>>122487352you’re the biggest slave in this general and a seriously whiny piece of shit
>>122487412So you're a HIPster sister?
Lalohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKaHoAeVa5o&list=OLAK5uy_ndFgIyKz9H9RN_CuKK28-7TSKxv6qjf5UImagine, I come to the classical thread to dicuss pieces and recordings, but 80% of the interactions are about off-topic garbage.
>>122487440unlike HIP, i have substantial, concrete evidence for my claims.
>substantial, concrete evidence for my claims
>>122487459what else would you call recordings by conductors who knew the composer himself and were immensely familiar with his performance practice?
>>122487449>Secondary source>concrete evidenceSchizophrenic piece of shit completely lost it lol
>>122487481how are recordings by conductors who knew mahler a secondary source for the performance practice of mahler’s era?
>>122487481I don't think you know what a secondary source is.
>>122487501>an article, report, etc. that is based on firsthand accounts or records of a thing being researched or studied but that is not itself a firsthand accountSecondary sourcr by definition.First hand would be Mahler, the conductors who knew Mahler, have they conducted Mahler's symphonies and were they approved by Maher? Have they listened to Mahler conduct his symphonies? If yes, how do we know they conducted the same way during recording? Far from a concrete evidence lol.
>>122487559Insane cope.
>>122487559>the conductors who knew Mahlerwho do you think bruno walter and willem mengelberg are???? fuck me you’re stupid. >have they conducted Mahler's symphonies and were they approved by Maher? Have they listened to Mahler conduct his symphonies?second question is hilariously retarded, mahler was the primary conductor of his symphonies during his lifetime. as for the first, we know beyond a shadow of a doubt that mengelberg was mahler’s favorite conductor of his own music (mentioned in my original post). why is any of this even in question?>If yes, how do we know they conducted the same way during recording?already addressed in my original post when talking about bruno walter. unnecessary with regards to mengelberg because it was a taping of a live performance, which you’d have known if you actually clicked on the youtube link.>Far from a concrete evidence lol.stick to discussing slaveslop, this stuff is simply not your speed.
The Five Stages of Being a HIPster sister1. Denial2. Denial3. Denial 4. Denial5. Denial...
Nah. MEHler is just boring as fuck. I'm on the last movement of the 5th symphony. He is overrated because he was le opressed jew, nothing of value in his music. Not a single memorable melody, innovation, or just anything remarkable at all.No other 'big' composer is nearly as sluggish.
>>122485652my mother is ashes on a box
>>122487190>Martinu>yet another "modernist" who fell for the neoclassical and jazz memes>greatest composer of the 20th centurywhatever you say, Moshe
>>122487352first time posting here?
>>122487824Punishment for shitposting here
>>122487911Quite an experience isn't it-to live in fear?
>>122487911You should be enslaved for your insolence schizophrenic piece of shit.
>>122487937are the mothers of everyone posting here dead? That would explain a whole lot
>>122487947>>122487948are you well
>>122488067Actually I am feeling a little sick right now thanks for asking. It might just be a cold, could be Covid as well, I have a pretty nasty ass cough right now
>>122488067Yes I am well, since I'm listening to Rach symphony 2.
I would even go so far as to say Stravinsky was the most Russian composer.
>>122487803stick to the homosexual slaveslop, gay schizo>>122487911>>122487947>>122487948>>122488134it appears that the slaves are losing their minds
now playingtime to listen through MTT's cycle recording now perhaps
>>122487395Wow, I had no idea blue eyes were so impactful to a person's appearance.
>>122488410Also that is a ridiculous looking "1" for the symphony number on the cover art font.
>>122488410a cycle that didn’t need to exist from a conductor who didn’t need to exist
>>122488475completely retarded
>>122488565imagine batting for a nothing-conductor like MTT rofl
>>122488629unimaginably braindead
>>122488713penguin pugilist
>>122488713lol, lmao, rofl even>>122488760nonsense as always
>>122488782utterly stupid
>>122488475he's got a top tier Eroica
Sukhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9HdAV36MeI&list=OLAK5uy_k9Fgn5hhip1Uum8kN77yov1_WugzodQrk
Rolling for John Cage edition
>>122488958Rolling in my gravet. Schoenberg
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>>122489112early
>>122489697>4 postsYeah, it's nothing.
>>122489817In fact, we're done here
