Atheism edition.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6nSa6UDiKc>How do I get into classical?This link has resources including audio courses, textbooks and selections of recordings to help you start to understand and appreciate classical music:https://pastebin.com/NBEp2VFhPrevious: >>122695232
>>122725964thank you pederast
>>122725964Man Tchaikovsky 1 is a whole load of nothing. Time to listen to the 2nd from the Jurowski set.
The slow movements of KV.250 are absolutely wonderful. Of course some people on /mu/ will "feel nothing" when listening to this music because to them it's not "emotional".https://youtu.be/51JOguGFIXE?si=BODpoebDy1XqtbPZ
>>122725992I've never listened to Tchai 1, can't be that bad?Post your favorites when you've finished the set
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WliKZGQCENQsovlful playing
>>122725992tchaikovsky is a whole load of nothing
>>122725992>Tchaikovsky 1 is a whole load of nothingIt's something alright: repetitious garbage.
>>122725981What's your problem with Saint-Saens? He's not Russian, does he also lack ""sophistry"" according to some reviews?
>>122726072huh? all i said is that he’s a pederast, which he is, according to his own words.
>>122726027It's not bad, just not good lol. In one ear and out the other instantly. But that's typical of a lot of 1sts. I listened to the 6th and Manfred and Serenade from it; 6th was stellar but there are many stellar 6ths out there, Serenade was great, but the Manfred was one of if not the best I've ever heard.first in playlist:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjRzJyLaHRY&list=OLAK5uy_l0FWa2Rx3PuTPSzyAUd-sq1jQUJ8z5i7A&index=26So far I highly recommend the set for a recent Tchaikovsky recording, based on another anon reccing it the other day but I've always liked what I've heard from Jurowski anyway.>>122726034I knew you were gonna reply with that.>>122726042Exactly. I expect this 2nd to be great though, I've always liked it but have only heard it a few times.
>>122726085When/where did he say that?
From Medieval to Early Baroque plus electroacoustic music are the only sincere and good music periods. Anything else is insincere and cringe. Nobody enjoys listening to Mozart or Bach if he has listened to anything from the earlier periods. The only thing they provide is some sterile, infantile joy. No surprise "people" think animal music like jazz and onward is comparable to it because it's just as dull and meaningless. They really did destroy the term western art music with their garbage anti-music, I mean even their so beloved composers were just making fun of their listeners. Not even a single person in this thread or in the world can reasonably explain why he enjoys the late baroque, the classical or the romantic period compared to the earlier ones, not even one! You literally have to be mentally impaired to think that way. I will wait for your replies but the only thing you're going to do is cope and seethe.
>>122726094https://www.forbes.com/forbes/2008/0630/154.html>He deserted his wife after the early death of their two children. In response to rumors about his sexuality, he once responded angrily, “I am not a homosexual; I am a pederast!”>>122726125thank you RYMsister
>>122726161>thank you RYMsisterSee, you're a literal robot with no arguments.
>>122726313You're the pervert listening to gay music, LMAO!
>>122726161Forbes is not a source. There's no concrete evidence he said that.And in case he did, "angrily" implies it could've been just impulsive response. >inb4 copeOnly after you provide a concrete evidence of its validity. Apparently it is debated, doesn't seem legit.
>>122726344thank you RYMsister>>122726350saying “inb4” doesn’t excuse you from the fact that you literally are coping. i provided a source, it’s your job to disprove its validity instead of resorting to claiming “apparently” or suggesting that he was “impulsively” admitting to being a pedophile.
There are 3 Haitink Mahler 4 recordings with the Concertgebouw? Jesus. I see one with Elly Ameling, one with Roberta Alexander, and one with Christine Schäfer (in pic); which is the best? I'm gonna assume the one with Ameling, which is the one included in the Decca box set?
>>122726496the one from his first cycle is the best, yes
>>122726374>your job to disprove its validityIf you provide a forbes article as "source" I have no motivation to disprove. There's no citation in the forbes article.
>>122726529>waaaaaah i don’t like the sourcesounds like a you problem lol
>>122726526Alright thanks. Also you and the other anon were right, the 3rd from this first cycle was indeed much better, more lively, more vibrant, and all-around better played than the CSO 3rd. And, imo, liveliness and vibrancy are essential to a good 3rd -- that's what the symphony is all about!
>>122725964Anyone has a good recording for Mozart's Requiem? I need something to numb me and please leave out the one done by Böhm.
>lol how is mozart's music moving?https://youtu.be/tkNj4w8mcX0?si=NcJS2OQvq-2_78-T
>>122726374>thank you RYMsisterThese people over there love your music.
>>122726794So you're the RYMsister.
I genuinely can't think of a single work by Saint-Saens that I couldn't live without.
>>122726711Savall's latest
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>>122726886Your reading comprehension is very poor.
>>122726886>marriner>hipSeems you've lost the plot, sister.
>>122726898so true RYMsister>>122726910marriner is literally one of the major first wave HIPsters along with harnoncourt, pinnock, and gardiner. what the fuck are you smpking?
>>122726948They don't even play on period instruments, what are you smpking? Have you heard Cotrubas' wonderful vibrato? what are you smpking? Have you even heard the recording at all, or are you smpking out of your ass again?
>>122726948>Marriner preferred modern instruments and effects, and his work came under criticism by Hogwood, among others, for not striving for an "authentic" sound.What have you been smpking, dear sister?
>>122726974>>122726995>you need to use period instruments to be HIPlmao, i bet you think mackerras isn’t HIP either
>>122727009You're simply full of shit, and you know it.https://www.talkclassical.com/threads/neville-marriner-hip-or-not.53949/Also, you didn't even answer whether you heard the recording in question, which says it all really.
>>122726711Shaw, Abbado, Karajan, Solti, Giulini
>>122727046>a bunch of old boomer fucks on talkclassical say he isn’t, so he can’t be HIPLMFAOalso i have heard more than my fair share of marriner’s mozart (his requiem and his late symphonies) and they’re all interminably dull, which is par for the course for HIP anyways.
I've never heard a recording by Mackerras or Marriner I've liked.
>>122727094same here, the only thing by mackerras that i’ve ever been entertained by is his infamous quote about britten.
>>122727081>modern instruments>modern tuning>vibrato>moderate tempiNow tell me what's actually H.I.P. about Marriner's recordings? And whether you like them or not is completely irrelevant.
There are very few musical moments as joyful as the start of the fourth movement of the Mahler 4, puts a smile on my face everytime.
>>122727129small ensembles and smaller still string sections. also moderate tempi is a farce, he may not be as comically rushed as gardiner but he still plays far faster than most of his predecessors (who took things too slowly regardless).
>>122727104I think the last one I tried was a Mackerras recording of Brahms' Serenades -- was not for me! I avoid all recordings with their names on it otherwise.
>>122727201people can’t seem to stop praising the mackerras recordings of the late mozart symphonies, but quite frankly they’re some of the weirdest sounding recordings of anything i’ve heard, and for mozart of all things. i don’t know what he did to that ensemble and in the recording studio to make them sound the way they do, but it sounds wrong by almost every measure.
now playingstart of Mozart - Mass In C Minor, K.427 "Grosse Messe":https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZW88EUKBYAg&list=OLAK5uy_kTyZQYp7yZ0ZaKgWSZkhft5n4_hehx2yI&index=2Haydn - Te Deum In C Major:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swKTdVzlgJE&list=OLAK5uy_kTyZQYp7yZ0ZaKgWSZkhft5n4_hehx2yI&index=15https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kTyZQYp7yZ0ZaKgWSZkhft5n4_hehx2yI
>>122727259Only 15 minutes into listening to this and already I can tell it's gonna be one of the best Mozart Great Mass recordings I've ever heard, highly recommended to all.
>>122725964To the Anon who suggested Bruckner earlier this week: I'm open to more recommendations
>>122727201Are there any real alternatives to his (Mackerras) recordings of the Janacek operas? His Jenufa and Katia Kabanova sound fine to me.
>>122727259I like Karajan's digital K.427 (I know, I know - come at me)
>>122727259What a coincidence. Maria Stader probably does the most amazing Laudamus Te I've ever heard. Just perfectly straight through, clear singing with absolutely no wobble.
>>122727996Karajan's is great no doubt, as well as his Coronation Mass and Requiem. I like his Mozart in general, really.>>122728110<3Yeah her performance was top-notch. I'm finishing up the Haydn Te Deum right now and it's excellent as well.
>>122728110Interesting enough I gonna listen to the Bruckner Te Deum afterwards and was considering the Jochum recording and Maria Stader is on that one as well.
>>122728110weird request, can you upload that album art in that picture? is it on a streaming service or is it your own downloaded file?
The prelude to Pfitzner's Palestrina is top tier comfy. If only the rest of the opera was nearly as good...https://youtu.be/oVVxcv1TxVY?si=frTvFOB3xWC1E4p8
>>122728232Not a weird request at all. It's from my personal collection as I can't stand those retarded tilted covers on the DG originals series, I think I nabbed it from Flickr. Not really a streaming service guy.
>>122728309yeah, fuck those tilted covers. been looking for a good scan of the fricsay c minor mass for a while, thanks for this one.
now playing (Symphony no. 1 but if it's good I might just listen through the entire set)start of Symphony No. 1 in C Major:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6-6szOWf0A&list=OLAK5uy_k0_D0YzpWO5FZze_H3eJGHUODc0TvN3LU&index=2https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_k0_D0YzpWO5FZze_H3eJGHUODc0TvN3LU
Now Playing - Mozart & Dvořák: Works for Violinhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_hYZfJAkW4&list=OLAK5uy_mT19EW9PlQBGAvKsRrC1LCkwJ6sgAKV1g&index=1
>>122728484Dvorak's chamber music is always entertaining
is Jochum truly a good cycle for Bruckner's symphonies or is it overhyped?>>122726018based Mozart serenade appreciator. Haffner has always been a favorite
>>122728777true. Love his piano trios, quartets, and quintets especially.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KsfeN-SU7vI
>>122729400good but overhyped
>>122729451what's a better alternative?
>>122729487to what? there is no one bruckner cycle to rule them all, every bruckner conductor is good at some symphonies and shit at others.
>>122729400His EMI cycle is probably better than the DG but neither are perfect. No cycle is perfect, period.
>>122729487Karajan is my favorite. There's also a really nice set that has a variety of conductors for the cycle, pic.
>>122730217the nicest parts of this set are the horst stein and karl bohm recordings, the rest you can more or less live with or without
>>122730251Any thoughts on the Haitink, Chailly, and Skrowaczewski cycles?
>>122730546i don’t really care much for chailly’s bruckner. the other 2 are fine but far from my favorite.
Mahler has to be the most forgettable classical composer I've listened to.Baffling that /classical/ is discussing him at every given opportunity.
Bruckner is one of those composers who has a great first symphony:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1i0jgP0XB4>>122730710Missing out, sorry you don't like him. I find his music deeply fascinating and enjoyable, and no matter how much I listen to each of his symphonies I've discovered it impossible for me to ever grow tired of them, for each one is a gorgeous universe unto itself.
>>122730774i like bruckner as much as the next guy but batting for his early symphonies is frankly a waste of time, they’re all kinda not worth anyone’s time.
>>122730824It's actually my first time listening to it. I think I've only heard 3-5 once, and am only very familiar with the ones after so figured it was time to go through the first five more deeply. Sounds great to me though -- on the topic of 1st symphonies, it's not a masterpiece like Mahler 1 but certainly better than Beethoven, Brahms, and Tchaikovsky 1s, just to pick some random examples.
>>122730883i would probably take brahms 1 over bruckner 1, and brahms 1 is my least favorite brahms symphony
now playingKalinnikov - Symphony No. 1 in G Minor:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obyKt_yjIHU&list=OLAK5uy_nO_oytKMK22wlDXhS5ww9PwXN_rUMDK2E&index=1https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nO_oytKMK22wlDXhS5ww9PwXN_rUMDK2E
>>122726125Thank you Ignatius J Reilly
>>122727129What are some hip recordings of Mozart then?
>>122731523Rene Jacobs
>>122726034this desu
>>122731537some of the most repugnant stuff of all time
Susmayrhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sv9_wxPX7eU&ab_channel=RIASKammerchor-Topic
Siegfried > Rhinegold > Walkure >>> Gotterdammerung
>>122732978are we powerranking which one is the most trans affirming?
>>122733131I can't see trannies liking Wagner isn't it racist?
>>122733184wignat sister moment
Just lose the hair, bro
>>122733681He would look better bald than with that pathetic little patch of dyed hair.
>>122733681he would look better if he stopped trying to be a conductor, he’s not any good at it anyways
>>122733749I hate to admit it, but these recordings are not bad.
>>122733681I've only heard a couple recordings from this guy but they were really bad. Maybe he just doesn't get Rachmaninoff though,
>>122733786you’re right, they’re terrible
Gonna finally listen to Mahler 10 for the first time off the Haitink set, I am quite excited.
>>122733885it’s not really a mahler 10 if it’s just the adagio
>>122725964Whatever happened to the Viola De Gamba?
why is this schizoid making so many threads?
>>122734350an excellent question sister
>>122726125I am genuinely intrigued by the oddness of this opinion anon. Can you say more
>>122734350terminal porn addiction
time to get HIP again
>>122734456how repugnant
>>122734425there's a worm in my brain, not sure if that matters.
>>122734479I can't just listen to Richter and Jochum back-and-forth till the end of time, magnificent and superior as they are.
>>122734493>i can’t just listen to good music til the end of time so i have to subject myself to shitty musicbut why
Now Playing - Bronislaw Huberman in Performancehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pj5frQLnYSk&list=OLAK5uy_nRmEOKCYX0iLPNAULn7z0ZzW97HqRjFVE
>>122734528lol gotta keep it fresh, not that I ever actually get sick of any of those masterful Bach recordings but you get what I mean. Besides, Herreweghe is actually alright, unlike the other HIP names like [names omitted to not offend other anons], and I've still gotta give it a try myself at least once.Check it out:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpq8m4aMLZk&list=OLAK5uy_mpFPa6WiC1ZJJsD1VDWbR5pFTgtjHElQo&index=1
>>122734624i’ve heard herreweghe’s st matthew and calling it intolerable is being extremely generous. i don’t intend on hearing any more of his conducting.
Richter defends are always bizarre to me. Why would you want you Bach played in such a laborious, bloated mannerTruly bog tier
>>122734752I listened to that the other day and it was not bad -- enjoyable but wouldn't listen to it again. The reason I wanted to give Herreweghe's SMP and SJP a try is because I really like his Bach motets and his Faure Requiem. Doubt I'll be trying out his Mass in B minor though, since I already have four or five recordings I cycle for it as is (Richter, Shaw x2, Jochum, Solti), and being much more intimately familiar with it I'm pickier with recordings on it.
>>122734350lonely male syndrome
>>122734844>why would you want your Bach to sound like good music
>>122734844laborious and contrived is precisely how i would describe HIP bach>>122734848don’t kid yourself, it’s one of the worst SMPs i’ve ever heard. i don’t know why you give them time of day.
>>122734874Good music isn't bloated or laborious.
>>122734844https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpftaTf_6pQkino
>>122734844The only time I ever thought that about Richter is with his Messiah, since virtually every other recording approaches it with verve and animation, but even that's fantastic if I'm in the right mood. His Bach just sounds perfect.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5o8hhR-v1gU&list=OLAK5uy_m1k1VNjk5j0LIzi_3BK3W29rfq8UDBMDE&index=1>>122734886>laborious and contrived is precisely how i would describe HIP bachAgreed.>don’t kid yourself, it’s one of the worst SMPs i’ve ever heard. i don’t know why you give them time of day.Well, I still wanna be able to say I tried it.
>>122734891precisely why HIP isn’t good>>122734904you don’t get a steam achievement for subjecting yourself to bad music, just so you know.
>>122734912lol but you've tried it! Gotta know what's bad to accentuate the good.
*gets cheap sounding electric organ**invites everyone from the slow bus into the choir**injects double beat theory into the interpretation**apply as much vibrato as possible**throw it all in a bathroom acoustic*yup it's Richter in Bach time
If your performance of St. John's Passion lasts for over 2 hrs you're doing it wrong
>>122734922this was almost believable bait until you tried pulling the double beat shit>>122734921i tried his SMP and realized he had nothing of value to offer to the music. you tried his SMP and somehow thought it would be a good idea to torture yourself further with his SJP. we are not the same.
>>122734943I turned it off and switched to this if it makes you happy.
>>122734995much better, although sometimes i wish the te deum wasn’t just a continuous fortissimo for 20 minutes and had some levity.
>>122728160Karajan's version of the Te Deum is the best
>>122734929https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aiYJ7-TpyYEkys nigguh
>>122725964>Tries to explain classical music without recognizing God>Get's mogged by BrücknerCheckmate atheists
>>122727443I really like the Wiener Phillarmonie cycle, with Abbado, Böhm, Mazel, etc... It's full of great performances and gives a good general view of each symphony. For the Masses, try Helmut Rilling, and for the Te Deum, Karajan. If you want to read about him, probably the best (in english) is Constanti Floros' book from 2011, you can find it on libgen
>>122730947There are not many to pick anyway. I love Brahms, but it's clear that Bruckner's first is the more mature, concise and individually unique than Brahm's first. You probably just like Beethoven too much to see how derivative it still is from his. It's like Dostoyevsky's first books, they are good, and you can already feel much of what it's too come, but they are still too much under Gogol's shadow to be great. Bruckner's first, however, is already his own voice, and that alone should suffice for its superiority.
How come Bruckner has two symphonies 0?Like, lol.
>>122735023Karajan is dog shit in every choral work
>>122735245Being your own voice doesn't count for anything when your symphony is as tedious as Bruckner's 1st is.
>>122735313At least you are actually hearing to something, instead of just worst Beethoven
>>122735299This one is the exception that proves the rule
which composer is the least troonpilled? which conductor gets fucked in the ass by home invaders?
bogbilly bach is only good when played by soloists in large airy buildings. no one cares about your 20th century piss label conductors and audiophile wank
>>122734886>I hate the way Bach wrote and intended his music to soundsister I....
>>122735692>which composer is the least troonpilled?Ligetti
now playingstart of Cello Sonata No. 1 in D Minor, Op. 109:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pa_BNeP4lI&list=OLAK5uy_n_U_XsZvBIMfAiTbEhn0xqAmO9Tw9xXto&index=1Élégie, Op. 24:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHQS8kuefjo&list=OLAK5uy_n_U_XsZvBIMfAiTbEhn0xqAmO9Tw9xXto&index=5start of Cello Sonata No. 2 in G Minor, Op. 117:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dl0UMyTEKpI&list=OLAK5uy_n_U_XsZvBIMfAiTbEhn0xqAmO9Tw9xXto&index=5https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_n_U_XsZvBIMfAiTbEhn0xqAmO9Tw9xXtoAbsolutely adore these cello works. I should give another recording a try because I've played this one many times over and only this one, but man, I love anything Tortelier / Heidsieck record together. Highly recommended if you haven't heard these works before, or even if you have but don't know this recording.
>>122734486Me too friend, me too. Get well soon
>>122735245Wow, you made the reply I would've made, well said. I respect his choice of Brahms 1 but yeah I agree, I never got the "Beethoven's 10th" hype -- it's more like "Beethoven's 2.5th," since it is better than Beethoven's first two, but that's it. >>122735313I thought it sounded nice. Not too interesting, nothing memorable, but as the other anon said, thoroughly Brucknerian, and, simply put, nice.
let's try this one out. listened to the first couple minutes of the Fischer Mahler 6 and, as some of the reviews stated, it's a bit too light and brisk of a 6th for my tastes.
Thoughts on Zubin Mehtam?I recently heard his recording of The Planets with the LA Philharmonic and I liked some of the aural effects.
>>122734425What exactly do you need to know?
>>122726125What is electroacoustic music
>>122736034He's a very Boulez esque conductor. A little too autistic for me outside of modernists
>>122736036I've only heard a few recordings by Mehta but I've liked them all I think. The ones that come to mind are the Liszt orchestral works and Strauss. If you liked The Planets, try Strauss. I've definitely been meaning to explore more of his recordings in the future, especially his Mahler and will probably grab a couple box sets at some point.
>>122736074That's what I had read, thanks for the confirmation. It's funny because I was considering revisiting the famous Bernstein / VPO but chose this one instead, and they're as polar opposites as you can get, lol.
>>122736074>>122736095Hmm I remember liking Boulez and the one Salonen recording I heard when I was first getting into Mahler but now that I'm pretty familiar with the music and actually have a preference for how things should sound, yeah you're right, Salonen's approach is way too mannered and 'cool' here. Changed off it.
>>122736068https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electroacoustic_music
>listen to classical music almost every night since childhood, over 20 years now, to help me go to sleep>still know jack shit about it at all, couldnt tell you any composers or tell who writes any songs, only thing i notice is usually vivaldi because he has very loud and bright pieces
Yuja Wang...she's such a beautiful...piano player....
>>122736407why does she dress like a slut?
>>122736586She dresses like an elf queen
>>122725964>Saint-Saens relates that the last time he saw Wagner, in 1876, at a soiree given at Wahnfried, to which he was taken 'against his will' by Liszt, the Meister asked him, 'Are you angry with me on account of a bad joke?' To which Saint-Sains replied, 'It would have been so easy for you not to have perpetrated it.' And Wagner answered not a word.
>>122736380i find that hard to believeeither you're dramatically exaggerating how often you listen to it, or you're barely listening
>>122736586Being a slut is good, actually.(I'm a slut for solo piano pieces personally)
Fav Yuja Wang albums?>tfw ywn sniff her butthole
>>122736755What bad joke?
>>122736878>One of Wagner’s most criticized works of the period was A Capitulation (Eine Kapitulation). While written in 1870, the work was not published until 1873. Although William Ashton Ellis correctly explains that the work castigates the Germans as much as the French and that the parody is harmless, it is not difficult to see why a Frenchman of the time might take offense. While Wagner’s real target is indeed the Germans and their attachment to French Opera and culture as opposed to true German Art, French culture is devastatingly disparaged throughout the short play.>Wagner portrays Victor Hugo constantly popping up from the sewers of France, an obvious stab at Les Misérables. Hugo exclaims, “I am here, not through the Prussian ranks, but underneath them.” Hugo’s slithering through the bowels of Paris renders him “matter for 120 volumes.” Images of the “Holy guillotine,” and only those in the sewers finding anything to eat, Paris was undergoing a terrible shortage of food at the time. The Chorus of the National Guard sings “Republic! Republic! Republic-blic-blic!” to the strains of the can-can. The total decay and lack of values, the constant babblings of atheists and revolutionaries paint the absurd canvas. Amidst this chaos Wagner brings rats to the stage. When the cry goes up that “The city is starving” the chorus breaks into, “Rats with sauces, sauces with rats! Here, pass them, or hunger will dine off our hats!” Finally the rats metamorphose into Ladies of the French Ballet.
>>122736949Wagner was a real class act
>>122736254It’s good for a giggle
>>122736875Her Rach cycle is excellent despite Hurwitz disliking it for some reason. He likes Rubinstein's concerto 2, while I just hate it, so our tastes differ. Although he criticized orchestra not Wang.The cycle has everything I want from Rach concertos, slower tempo, dynamics, high fidelity. It's almost perfect.
>>122737444I’d let her Rach me off
>>122737591Excellent post sister
>>122736949kek
need recording recs for Bruckner 1 and 4 - 8
>>122736949>When the cry goes up that “The city is starving” the chorus breaks into, “Rats with sauces, sauces with rats! Here, pass them, or hunger will dine off our hats!” Finally the rats metamorphose into Ladies of the French Ballet.
Is it just me or the Goldberg Variations Aria is just ugly? I like Bach(except choral /vocal) but I'm not at all impressed by Goldberg Variations. I get that it is constructed in a 'mathematical' way, with symmetries and patterns in time signature etc, and it's impressive, but the Aria itself is not very beautiful. I can even sing both voices because I listened to it billion times and it's still ugly to me
>>122737969For number six I like Bayer.Rundfunk/ Sawallisch on Orfeo and Cleveland/Dohnanyi on Decca, but some other anon will probably reply to my post and say "they fucking suck", so make up your own mind
>>122738567I think it's very pretty actually.
>>122738567>he doesn't like bach's choral musicWhat is wrong with you my man.
>>122738602I just don't like choral music at all.
>>122738567>I like Bach>except choral /vocalSo you don't like Bach.
>>122738626I love WTC and I can sing a huge part of it out of my memory. Most of the Concertos, Partitas, Fugues and most of his other organ work I love. Just not any choral/vocal or Goldberg Variations
>>122738621That's something you really need to fix, otherwise it's a sign of some sort of mental retardation. Everyone has to start somewhere with music, everyone has prejudices and personal taste, and its only a bad thing if you never progress beyond that beginner level. The beauty of the human voice is something everyone should love. Like, how do you not love the Mass in B Minor, Mozart's arias, Missa Solemnis, etc?
>>122738644Saying you like Bach but not his choral/vocal works is incongruous. It's like people who say they like Mozart, just not his operas. I don't buy it. It's senseless.
>>122738710Nta but I don’t care for opera or choral music either
>>122738726That's perfectly fine as long as you don't claim to like, or even really know, J. S. Bach or Mozart.
>>122738710I don't like Operas either, yet I love Mozart's concertos, symphonies, sonatas, chamber music etc.Say and think whatever you want, I'm just sharing my thoughts so I can get someone else's perspective on how they got to like certain pieces, or if they share my taste
>>122738745>>122738824Only normie classical fans dislike opera.
What is the best recording of Handel's Messiah?
>>122738745I did actually like a Glen Gould performance of Bach where he’s playing with a male falsetto
Glen Gould is the worst thing that could've happened to the recording era of classical music
>>122738997Solti's is the one I enjoyed the most.
>>122737969Go wirh Barenboim with the Chicago Symphony Orchestra for the first, and with Tintner for the last 4-8
>>122735738>intended his music to soundLOL, HIPsters really live in another reality>>122736034i’m not convinced by any of the current wave of finnish conductors that people seem so enamored by. all of them seem to have the same repertoire of late 19th/early 20th century music (mahler, sibelius, bartok, stravinsky etc.) and none of them seem to be very good at any of it. >>122737969just skip the 1st4: bohm with vienna5: jochum with concertgebouw6: stein with vienna7: karajan with vienna8: karajan with vienna>>122740124really quite terrible
>>122740626you got any thoughts on this, or other Mahler 10 completions?
>>122741023you want to aim for second or third revision deryck cooke in terms of the actual score. that ormandy is first revision so less than ideal, and i don’t think ormandy is a particularly good mahlerian. my favorite recording is dausgaard with seattle.
technically started the day with Mehta's Strauss Don Juan and Eine Alpensinfonie but listening to this before I go out, I'm entranced by the Mahler 10 AdagioMahler - Symphony No. 10:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SinGH4RK_eo&list=OLAK5uy_lXb8AMw0USR3kHzeuzjBIW3Bn9yd-eLp4&index=5https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lXb8AMw0USR3kHzeuzjBIW3Bn9yd-eLp4>>122741077Thanks. Yeah I love Ormandy but was surprised his was the top recommended M10 completed on Amazon from that era of recordings/conductors, as I'd never heard any of his Mahler either.
>>122741103that’s because there are virtually no complete mahler 10 recordings from that era and also because amazon is retarded and i cannot comprehend why you insist on relying on a source no more accurate than a random record list generator.
>>122741131lol I just don't want to be more of a bother than I already have with the mountain of recording questions I've posed here and gotten answered by you and others. And besides Amazon results are never egregiously off, though of course the highest recommended Cooke orchestrated M10 is, unsurprisingly, the Rattle / BPO and Vanska / Minnesota, and I'm sure they're at minimum good.
>>122741185the rattle and vanska are fucking abominable, so no, they’re not “at minimum good”. the amazon results have pretty much always been egregiously off every time you’ve posted them, so i have no idea why you even more anymore.
Best pianist currently alive and performing?Best pianist to have ever lived?multiple answers are ok, forget about antisemitism for a sec
>>122741198Counterpoint, peep how your suggested recording is rated and the rave reviews:https://www.amazon.com/Mahler-Symphony-No-10-Seattle/dp/B01G7QZPWI/Anyway I added it so I'll be listening to it when I get home in a couple hours, so thank you.
>>122741257literally every and any recording you can think of is highly rated on amazon. that’s my point to begin with.
>>122741284Fair point. But on the other end, any recording with a poor rating is almost guaranteed to be worth avoiding. And again I do read the reviews in-depth, and the superlative language used in almost every review on that recording makes it standout, I probably would've picked it based on those, hence the occasional usefulness. I also like how many of them also say some variation of 'blows away the Rattle/BPO' lol.
>>122741314i’ve never ever seen any recording of even minor repute on amazon with a poor rating to begin with, so all your method really does is make you avoid completely unknown and irrelevant recordings in the first place. also rattle’s mahler 10 recordings are both terrible so the bar is on the floor in that regard
>>122741199>Best pianist currently alive and performing?Yuja Wang>Best pianist to have ever lived?Josef Hoffman or Yuja Wang
>”always play with curved fingers”>i play tense>”always play with no tension”>my fingers collapseMOTHERFUCK FUCKING SHIT ASS FUCK YOU
>>122737969My personal favorites>3Blomstedt/BPO (OG)E. Jochum 1977>4Hengelbrock 2015 (OG)Kabasta 1943Klemperer 1954Böhm 1974>5Furtwängler 1942Horenstein 1971Zender 2005E. Jochum/BPO 1982>6Kubelik 1977Wand 1976Celibidache 1991>7Walter 1954Ormandy 1969Karajan 1989E. Jochum 1980>8Beinum 1955Böhm/BPO 1969>9Kubelik 1985 (minor flub in the Adagio)Furtwängler 1944E. Jochum 1979Generally tend to like my Bruckner on the faster side, which unfortunately means I'm stuck in mono land much of the time. Modern Bruckner conductors are starting to play it faster, but unfortunately they lost their balls along the way.
>>122725964Danse Macabre!
>>122741811>like my bruckner on the faster side>recommends slowlibidouche and fartwranglerchoose one and only one
>>122742003The key word being "generally." I'm not completely dogmatic in my preference for tempo, there are performances which excel in certain aspects that overcome my tempo preference. Hence why Karajan's 7th is on that list.Furtwängler isn't really fast nor slow in any case, he's a combination of both since he implements a wide palette of tempo rubato. On aggregate, he's probably one of the fastest performers of the 5th, as mentioned in Carragan's analysis of performances of the 5th (and which is plainly obvious to the ear)https://carragan.com/composer-anton-bruckner/tempo-studies-bruckners-fifth-symphony/
now playinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-bkXpm3HLg&list=OLAK5uy_kYN-6UhI-rW62c7_zT9um-gw-cBz9JesA&index=1https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kYN-6UhI-rW62c7_zT9um-gw-cBz9JesAI know some of you guys said to stop posting my Mahler NPs but I've never posted this work before so this'll be an exception!>>122741811Damn, gotta try some of these out. Screencapped, thanks.
>FurtwänglerWhat a terrible surname. Reminds me of a foul fart.I'd change my surname if I were in his place.
>>122742097>Fartwrangler
>>122742639It sounds incredibly sophisticated and high brow."Oh my favorite Beethoven's 9th? Furtwangler's at Bayreuth, of course." Can't be topped by anyone else's taste.
Khachaturianhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bne471B6Rc8&list=OLAK5uy_n4nIt4opxt2c62bxEONSIpeUUwTnN54uI
>>122742661perfect for Bruckner since his symphonies are a series of farts
>>122742688Added, thanks. Love ballets and their suites, always on the lookout for more. Prokofiev's Romeo and Juliet and Cinderella and Tchaikovsky's The Sleeping Beauty and Glazunov's The Seasons got me hooked.
>>122742663this only works on idiotic boomers above the age of 70, hence the audience on talkclassical with an incessant worship for his schlop
From now on I think all my posts will be constructed using only 12 non repeating words
>>122742728I haven't listened to it or the Lucerne recording in like a decade but they were instrumental in getting me to fall in love with classical so I'll always defend Furtwangler. I'm surprised you don't like him and his recordings.
>>122742732but how will you arrange them in inversion and retrograde?>>122742745i have 0 tolerance these days for 9ths that take their time, and the only people who take their time more than fartwrangler in that piece are celibidache and, heaven forbid, cobra.
Who is the oldest poster in this general and how old is he?
>>122742763Constructed from now, my posts on will I all be from using?
>>122742763Fair enough, I don't quite remember it well enough to say one way or the other, I just remember it blowing my mind at the time, along with his Schubert 9. Walter's is probably my favorite now gun to my head, and I been listening to Solti's cycle lately and it's very good so far -- haven't listened to the 9th on it yet though.>>122742785I know one of the more helpful and knowledgeable anons is 40. No clue beyond that.
>>122742785The sisterposter- 17
>>122742745His Lucerne performance of the 9th is probably the best, but I don't really care for his interpretation of the 9th in general. The only Beethoven that I truly love him in is probably the 5th, of which he has a few good live performances of, his wartime one being the best. Furtwangler was more of a great conductor of romantic music, i.e. Brahms, Wagner, Bruckner, etc.
>>122742827I'll definitely try out some of those Furtwangler Bruckner ones suggested in the post above. I've been meaning to further familiarize myself with Bruckner 3-6 anyway, as it's only the 7-9 that I've listened to many times over, + his masses and Te Deum, of course.
>>122742797try schuricht’s. it’s the closest thing there is to a real representation of what the normative performance practice of beethoven’s music was like towards the end of his life and the century proceeding his death. >>122742827i find fartwrangler intolerable in all those composers as well, frankly. midcentury conducting is too slow as is, and fartwrangler is even slower than the rest of his colleagues. downright intolerable.
>>122740626This anon hates Brückner and good music
updated Mahler tierstier 1:8, 9, 10tier 2:4, 6tier 3:1, 3, 5tier 4:2, 7tier 4 is still excellent of coursemain changes is 9 finally clicked for me, finally liking the 4 and 6 a bit less, and currently enamored with 10would love to see someone do a Bruckner one
I've amassed so many Bruckner recordings over the years and I hardly play any of them anymore. Now listening to pic rel... let's see what it's like.
>>122742863I find those long versions of Brückner reeeeeally boring. They consider themselves spiritual but they are nothing but... sleepy. How can you feel the glory of the Angels when you can't even feel awake? And all the strenght and power of his symphonies goes away.
>>122743024>How can you feel the glory of the Angels when you can't even feel awake?lol
>>122742885lol, lmao, rofl even>>122742957you’re missing das lied von der erde>>122743024my main problem with them is that they completely lose the momentum of the music and the lyrical aspect of his melodic lines ceases to be when you stretch them out as far as celibidache does. at that point, they have more in common with the minimalists than they do with any of the composers bruckner was genuinely trying to synthesize into his own sound.
>>122743053>das lied von der erdeI forget, is that one included with the Haitink / Concertgebouw 9th a good one or what would you recommend?
It's a pity all of BMOH's reviews on Amazon have been deleted, he was a real Bruckner nut
Personally I find Bruckner to be both shallow and pedantic
>>122743075that’s a good one, but my favorite is the klemperer recording
>>122743117Neat, thanks, I think I have that one added but I haven't listened to any of Mahler's song cycles except for when I was super into lieder for a week like four months ago lol. I just much prefer the kind of singing you get in choral music over lieder and operas. We'll see though.
just read balakirev’s wikipedia page. not studying music theory really mindbreaks a nigga
>>122742852Just be aware that his Bruckner 9th is in pretty mediocre sound quality. His Bruckner 5 is luckily one of the few Wartime recordings that could be considered high fidelity for its day, and sounds quite good in the 2nd and 4th movement especially. >>122742863>fartwrangler is even slower than the rest of his colleagues. downright intolerable.He's only "slow" in the Brahms 1st, which isn't even really that slow on aggregate when you compare to the full discography.>Brahms 1Furtwangler: 46:51Toscanini: 43:31Klemperer: 44:08Mengelberg: 46:47Walter: 42:24Karajan: 46:00>Brahms 2Furtwangler: 38:47Toscanini: 39:17Klemperer: 38:48Mengelberg: 37:07Walter: 38:43Karajan: 41:22>Brahms 3Furtwangler: 36:31Toscanini: 37:09Klemperer: 36:43Mengelberg: 35:08Walter: 33:21 (repeat skipped)Karajan: 32:16 (repeat skipped)>Brahms 4Furtwangler, 40:15Toscanini: 39:53Klemperer: 38:45Mengelberg: 39:51Walter: 40:39Karajan: 40:25Unless you're comparing to Weingartner or something, Furtwangler isn't really slow in Brahms compared to his contemporaries at all.His La Scala cycle of the Ring is one of the quickest on record, clocking in at 13 hours and 56 minutes. He did a Parsifal in 3 hours and 58 minute, much faster than Toscanini's 4 hours and 40 minutes, and, again, one of the fastest recorded. His studio Tristan was indeed slow, but it was also post-1950 where he began to slow down in everything, and it was also studio bound. The Tristan excerpts he did in the late 40s were much, much faster.
>>122743242i don’t know, i kind of am comparing to weingartner here. i legitimately think that and something like the NYPO bruno walter cycle may be the closest thing there is to a correct tempo in brahms. i definitely find klemperer and karajan far too slow, for example.
now playingstart of Symphony No. 3 in D Minor, WAB 103:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GK8yYKF_NqY&list=OLAK5uy_ltPD3z3oo_m1EJ3vzEng-IEo96v7kI29Y&index=2start of Symphony No. 4 in E-Flat Major "Romantic", WAB 104 (1878/80 Version):https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szbM3hIvVt4&list=OLAK5uy_ltPD3z3oo_m1EJ3vzEng-IEo96v7kI29Y&index=6https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_ltPD3z3oo_m1EJ3vzEng-IEo96v7kI29YThe 4th here is the much more famous of the two recordings, for anyone who wants to listen but only has time for one.
>>122743315Weingartner is kind of the exception amongst Brahms contemporaries, though. I mean, sure, he knew Brahms, but so did Mengelberg and Max Fiedler, both of who are slower than Weingartner but within the range of contemporary performances of that era. Walter's NYP cycle of Brahms is indeed on the quick side for the 1st and 3rd symphony especially, but in the 2nd and 4th it's not too out of bounds for the era of its day. Weingartner is faster in both. The thing about Weingartner is that he's fairly metronomic, so to my ear he actually doesn't sound that much faster despite the timings suggesting otherwise. BTW, not that it matters, but Furtwangler isn't a favorite in Brahms for me either. His 1948 performance of the 4th is the only one that I particularly love.
>>122743395>for the era of its day*for the eraI hate phone posting.
>>122743395weingartner is definitely too metronomic for me to consider him wholly “correct” interpretation wise, but compare his tempos to, say, abbado BPO (who hurwitz is now upholding as the “new” reference recording for brahms, whatever that means) and it’s barely even the same piece of music. i do definitely think that the 1st and 3rd suffer from a general tendency to read too much maestoso in the tempo when it’s completely uncalled for, whereas for a symphony like the 4th, the first movement is generally cleared around 12 minutes, and anything longer from the likes of karajan or kleiber starts to enter the territory of somewhat beleaguered.
>>122743434>who hurwitz is now upholding as the “new” reference recording for brahms, whatever that meansI honestly don't even think he believes that it's good. He's just throwing a bone to the Abbado fans in his audience and upholding the semblance of perceived objectivity by praising a performance from a conductor that he otherwise largely dislikes. > i do definitely think that the 1st and 3rd suffer from a general tendency to read too much maestoso in the tempo when it’s completely uncalled forThe 3rd probably has my most hated performances out of the bunch. It's like Mahler's 5th, everyone plays it like garbage for some reason. I don't even think I have a favorite performance.
Man this Bohm Bruckner 4 is revelatory. I've always liked the Bohm recordings I've heard but I should listen to more; how's his Beethoven? Just added them all.
>>122743520That Beethoven 9 is hilariously slow
>>122743520Not a fan of his Beethoven. If you ever get into Wagner, though, he's your man.
>>122743553lol funny enough I noticed that too, because I was comparing it to the 9th included in the leftmost set (which has the 3rd, overtures, and a 9th) to see if it was the same recording and the difference in playtimes was baffling to me.compared to 16:47, 12:08, 16:38, 6:44, and 20:27 for the one included in the leftmost set.
>>122743512>He's just throwing a bone to the Abbado fans in his audience and upholding the semblance of perceived objectivity by praising a performance from a conductor that he otherwise largely dislikes.poor hurwitz, even a boneheaded dunce like him has to kowtow to the deaf boomers that we share concert halls with. >everyone plays it like garbage for some reasoni still think that walter columbia 3rd is probably as good as it gets in terms of a relatively well shaped performance that is still in tolerable sound. undoubtedly his earlier NYPO recording is the better performance, but i really have little tolerance for mono. >>122743520i don't like bohm's beethoven very much, but try his BPO brahms 1 (NOT the VPO cycle that is markedly inferior). >>122743553>>122743585not just hilariously, infamously. it's one of the slowest on record i believe.
>>122743585Recorded minutes before his death, I reckon
>>122743605Noted, added, thanks. I like that VPO set. Maybe this'll be the recording that finally gets me to really like Brahms 1. I still need to listen to Walter's.>>122743611Good way to postpone, must've had Death repeatedly checking his watch.
The only repertoire for which Böhm is my go-to guy are the R. Strauss operas (not the tone poems, that's Karajan's domain). Other than that I really like his Bruckner 7 with Vienna. He's supposed to be a Mozart specialist, but I never warmed to his recordings of the symphonies/orchestral works. His 1964 recording of The Magic Flute on the other hand is one for the ages.
>>122743758Yeah his Mozart recordings is how I first got into him. I've got that Bruckner 7 and Strauss operas added as well -- someday when I finally get into opera I'll listen to them.
>>122743605The Walter 3rd is good, yeah.>>122743675I did an edit of this recording years ago which fixed the imbalanced channels and the pitch drop in the 1st movement if you want to hear it in somewhat less distracting sound. It's an otherwise very excellent sounding recording for its day, especially for DG which was usually dogshit.https://litter.catbox.moe/15uhih.zip
>>122743758>Böhm >More like Bomb
>>122744212NTA but thanks, I'm a fan of that recording too.
>>122725992>>122726027>>122726042just chiming in to say the 5th is my favorite https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pPlIW6-8L4
>>122725964>Organ rabbit hole digging>>122746540
>>122746575nigga no 1 care
This Bohm / BPO Brahms 1 is indeed great. Still probably my least favorite Brahms symphony, of course, but finally enjoying it. Might do a run through of all of Brahms' symphonies today -- Munch / BSO for the 2nd, and maybe I'll finally get around to listening to Abbado / BPO for the 3rd and 4th after having that set added for an eternity and never listening to the symphonies off of it despite generally loving Abbado.>>122744212I appreciate it but sadly these days I no longer keep an offline digital collection, don't even have a music player on this computer lol, just stream unfortunately.
https://youtu.be/9NROZ1z_Q8k?si=LJ1GwFT7CpvdulWh
>>122747077t. the only posting person in his dead ass thread lmao
>>122747135your thread is stillborn lil bro, move on
>>122743758I love his Mozart's Symphony 40 because I think it's better with slower tempo. I never bothered with the rest even if I have the full boxset, lol.
>>122747278>Symphony 40 with slower tempoblasphemy
>>122743520One of the things that makes that Bohm Bruckner 4 so special, aside from the top tier engineering, is the fact that Bohm actually uses the intended orchestral layout that was used in Bruckner's day, with the second violins on the left. An unfortunate rarity in Bruckner recordings.
>>122747544>with the second violins on the left.the right, rather
now playing>Brahms Symphony no. 2, op. 73 + Tragic Overture, op. 81>Munch / Boston Symphony Orchestrastart of Symphony No. 2 in D Major, Op. 73:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2zkfh8okdg&list=OLAK5uy_nrhvECmXHG1UfmY8cB67Dx9u5uIEV5S3g&index=2Tragic Overture, Op. 81:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YizSQpR9u0&list=OLAK5uy_nrhvECmXHG1UfmY8cB67Dx9u5uIEV5S3g&index=6https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nrhvECmXHG1UfmY8cB67Dx9u5uIEV5S3g>>122747544Hmm, interesting, thank you. My main thing is I like my Bruckner more on the singing, romantic, and softer side, and less austere, divine, and severe. Hence I love Karajan, who plays Bruckner very romantic, and that Bohm 4 just now, and not so much Jochum anymore which is who I first got into Bruckner with. Hopefully my memory isn't off, been a while since I listened to Jochum's. Still enjoy his masses and his Te Deum remains my favorite.
stupid question but at live performances/concerts, are overtures generally played before or after the main piece/symphony? I see recordings do both ways and if it's after, I usually will play the overture first anyway because it feels more appropriate, but curious how it is in reality
>>122747745ouverture is french for "opening".that does not mean you absolutely have to open with it but it would certainly be appropriate to do so.same way as you probably would not start with a finale.
>>122747841o lol thanks.
>>122747695I know what you mean, but Karajan's way of conducting Bruckner is actually very modern and not romantic at all. The romantics, that is, the conductors that were born in the 19th century, tended to play Bruckner differently from Karajan, with a freer approach to tempo and usually faster to boot. Karajan's way with Bruckner may seem romantic since he indulges in string sonority and is slower - that richness in approach tends to be associated with "romantic" - but pretty much all of his habits are modern developments. It's an approach that works very well for the later Bruckner works like 7-9.Karajan used to say he was black in an earlier life and that he enjoyed going to jazz concerts because the musicians mostly stick to one tempo.
>>122747695jochum’s bruckner is significantly more traditionally romantic than karajan’s.
>>122747841I thought he meant a mixed program with different works. Like some excerpts from a ballet and symphony, or something like that.
>>122747902>>122747915Ah, my bad then.>Karajan's way with Bruckner may seem romantic since he indulges in string sonority and is slower - that richness in approach tends to be associated with "romantic" - but pretty much all of his habits are modern developments. It's an approach that works very well for the later Bruckner works like 7-9.Exactly. Richness is a great way of describing it.
>>122747935well, if it's a compilation then I guess it wouldn't matter
Why is Gramophone the only place that makes lists of recommended recordings?I found a good site the other day but for some reason it no longer shows on my search results. And I know there's Hurwitz, but I don't wanna listen to his jewish voice.
>>122748072because being pedantic is a british pasttime and a british one alone.
>>122748072is diapason still making lists?
>>122748072Hurwitz is unironically one of the only professional critics worth listening to
>>122748131>jewish>worth listening to
>>122748169thank you wignat sister
Now Playing - Beethoven: Piano Sonatas op. 109 – 111. Friedrich Wührer.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNhKnVyN7FI
>>122748359do hisster sisters really
>>122746984Really, you prefer Brahms 2 over Brahms 1? I can’t see anything good in that symphony.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCUgsADzcVEAmazing performance of Saint-Saen's best piano concerto.
>>122749211i thought the best one was the one about having sex with underage north african boys
now playing>Khachaturian: Violin Concerto, Concerto Rhapsody>Aram Khachaturian (Composer), Theodore Kuchar (Conductor), National Symphony Orchestra of Ukraine (Orchestra), Miheala Martin (Performer) Violin Concerto:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zcJpJFUevQ8&list=OLAK5uy_m3YIjjzm3gIR8fKpXYjy9lbu8G_xCfdss&index=2Concerto-Rhapsody for Violin and Orchestra:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9qx_TkP9VY&list=OLAK5uy_m3YIjjzm3gIR8fKpXYjy9lbu8G_xCfdss&index=5https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_m3YIjjzm3gIR8fKpXYjy9lbu8G_xCfdss
>>122749004To be honest I don't love either (I'd be happy just to have the 3rd and 4th to listen to for the rest of my life), but yeah I find the 2nd to be full of more interesting ideas, memorable melodies, and the budding of Brahms' own voice, instead of the 1st which is a fine but worse and ultimately forgettable derivation of Beethoven. I've listened to two great recordings of it in the past week, Giulini / LA and Bohm / BPO, and while exemplary performances and an enjoyable listen in the moment, it was forgotten as soon as it ended, and unlike the 3rd and 4th, and brief moments of the 2nd, I feel nothing at all when listening to it emotionally.I don't hate it though, and in fact I'm a little envious of those who have said they love the 1st and 2nd, as maybe it's just me.
>>122749606I wish I could remember all of the other ones of the top of my head (I know at least one of Prokofiev's and Shostakovich's violin works are some of these), but man it's stunning the amount of times I've read about a work and somewhere it says it was written for David Oistrakh, talk about the ultimate musician-muse! I love his playing so I definitely get it.
Yuja, my beloved...time to goon...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KH6hlQI3I18i lie in bed, my arms to my sides, eyes closed and i pretend i am in the coffin
this is actually really goodyoutube.com/watch?v=JcaNYY0SIOI&si=_rTNbrx3uUFxq4b5youtube.com/watch?v=h0me6rUUCnI&si=0c4TmPQHqQHhMzSf
>>122750567>abbado>goodfalse
>>122750598I've come to realize Abbado is just my baseline conductor; won't always be my favorite recording but anything he does I'll at least really like, if not outright love. And just about every choral work recording I've heard from him has been outstanding at minimum.
Where's that anon who did a listen through of a bunch of Mahler 9ths? What did you decide was the best? I'm gonna do something similar over the next week and change, starting with this one. Also got Harding's, Giulini's, and Zander's before I circle back to the most famous ones (Karajan, Abbado, Walter, etc.), any further suggestions, as always, appreciated.
Le cockhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXOsOUZtaHo>>122750666I like his Stravinsky's ballet suites, but despise his Ravel recordings.
>>122750884>but despise his Ravel recordings.I went through that set the other week and yeah thought it was kinda mediocre. I thought it was the works themselves but with you saying that I'll give them all another shot with a different recording.
>>122750965both abbado and ravel suck cock
>>122750974His Piano Trio and String Quartet are amazing. But they're very emotional works, as much of his music is, so I can see why you'd hate them the same way you hate Russian music.
>>122751011>very emotional worksmissing the point on why russian music is subpar
>>122750803I've listened to literally every Mahler 9th in the discography and have come to the conclusion that it's actually quite rare for you to get a bad performance. It's really one of those pieces that everyone seems to do well.>FischerTradition of 1930s Walter, albeit with less dynamic playing. I think its qualities are somewhat diminished by the very diffuse sonics of Channel Classics.>HardingI liked that one. >GiuliniNot a huge fan of his studio one, there's a live Philadelphia recording that's much more interesting, though. >ZanderA rare Mahler 9th that I actually dislike. I am probably somewhat biased because he's one of the most irritating faggots in all of classical music. >KarajanThe 2nd one is top tier. Especially in the finale.>AbbadoIt's fine.>WalterI think Walter was a bit too old when he recorded his stereo version, it's a good recording for sure, but not top tier. His 1938 Mahler 9 is more to my tastes interpretively, but unfortunately there's some very shabby playing and the sonics are, obviously, quite bad. Still, it's an interesting document of what his interpretation might've been had he recorded it 10 years earlier - Walter suffered a heart attack in 1957 and his tempi largely slowed down big time after this.
>>122750965My favorite Ravel's sets are by Boulez and Martinon. For Daphnis and Chloe, I prefer this recording by Charles Dutoithttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55eAdwrJL5w&list=OLAK5uy_nQO9yoPJPI8NJlDqxJ2cCQ4-IABmn3r_IThere's also this recording by Sakari Oramo. I like it, especially because it features a complete orchestration of Le Tombeau de Couperinhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fyG-yD7bYfk&list=OLAK5uy_k0rZojFy0S9OYzArGmOYHECDFAIo3rSLw
>>122751218Thank you very much. There's another helpful and knowledgeable anon here who likes Zander's Mahler a lot which is why I added it but I'll sideline it for now, same with the Giulini / CSO. Are there any other more recent recordings you'd recommend? I've been trying to not only listen solely to the old greats as much, which is why I added the Harding, for example.
>>122751284i can assure you that no one knowledgeable enjoys zander’s mahler.
>>122751244Much appreciated, added them all. I've been liking Dutoit a lot recently so I'll probably start with his Daphnis and set overall.
>>122751321lol I believe you made that point to that very anon when he suggested the Zander Mahler 6 to me a few months ago. That one could be good even if his 9th isn't; in fact I'll make that my next 6th I listen to, instead of Jansons'.
>>122751284Zander has some good ideas about Mahler and, as he will insufferably lay out for you in his horribly irritating lectures, he knows quite a bit about the performance idiom itself. He's one of the few conductors that acknowledges that the Adagietto of the 5th should be played in the 6-9 minute range rather than the Bernstein approach of 10+ minutes. Unfortunately in that same recording of the 5th his orchestra, which is world class, makes a cacophony of errors. Players missing their parts completely, that kind of thing. It's frankly embarrassing. His 9th isn't *that* bad but the sound quality is very poor for a modern stereo recording and it offers no unique qualities that make it worth hearing. Pass.
>>122751396lol noted, thanks for the informative post(s).
>>122751369that guy is a fucking moron and you’re just going to subject yourself to more dogshit mahler either way.
>>122751473Hey, I never did end up listening to it! You're kinda right though, I should start re-listening to the ones I know are good and like instead of endlessly pursuing new and unfamiliar ones primarily for its own sake.
>>122751396>Unfortunately in that same recording of the 5th his orchestra, which is world class, makes a cacophony of errors. Players missing their parts completely, that kind of thing. It's frankly embarrassing.maybe if the orchestra was a youth orchestra he would have spent more time “rehearsing” them, lol
>>122751497No, it's fine to listen to bad recordings. Helps the good ones stand out more.
The Schumann Piano Quintet is genius from start to finish, every single note.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1OxntPUOVh8&list=OLAK5uy_lzh9H13Dkf5wok2SliuuHoYpe-GqMrp7w&index=5Same with Brahms'.
now playing>Dvorak: Piano Quintet, Op. 81/ String Quartet No. 10, Op. 51>A. Dvorak (Composer), Takacs Quartet (Performer), Andreas Haefliger (Performer) start of Piano Quintet in A, Op. 81:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBE_TUdS9Xw&list=OLAK5uy_kXyDEaQbWIN8eV1SfpUr_e0vSmmq35UC4&index=2start of String Quartet No. 10 in E flat major, Op. 51 - B.92:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhgSp8hRTjE&list=OLAK5uy_kXyDEaQbWIN8eV1SfpUr_e0vSmmq35UC4&index=7https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kXyDEaQbWIN8eV1SfpUr_e0vSmmq35UC4
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