Louis Spohr editionhttps://youtu.be/tq2ywwXAB48This thread is for the discussion of music in the Western (European) classical tradition, as well as classical instrument-playing.>How do I get into classical?This link has resources including audio courses, textbooks and selections of recordings to help you start to understand and appreciate classical music:https://rentry.org/classicalgenPrevious: >>129236155
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now playingstart of Scriabin: Piano Sonata No. 2 in G-Sharp Minor, Op. 19, "Sonata-Fantasy"www.youtube.com/watch?v=DMWuGF-aAZw&list=OLAK5uy_lmGKdh-Jd_h-V8Rbuy3SSMoISjyjbp1ww&index=1Scriabin: Piano Sonata No. 5, Op. 53https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INDMiMWJBD0&list=OLAK5uy_lmGKdh-Jd_h-V8Rbuy3SSMoISjyjbp1ww&index=4Scriabin: Piano Sonata No. 6 in G Major, Op. 62https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJ5jAJT_sNs&list=OLAK5uy_lmGKdh-Jd_h-V8Rbuy3SSMoISjyjbp1ww&index=5Scriabin: Piano Sonata No. 7, Op. 64, "White Mass"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpJW87KOBcI&list=OLAK5uy_lmGKdh-Jd_h-V8Rbuy3SSMoISjyjbp1ww&index=6Scriabin: Piano Sonata No. 9 in F Major, Op. 68, "Black Mass"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_TU5ShZwBI&list=OLAK5uy_lmGKdh-Jd_h-V8Rbuy3SSMoISjyjbp1ww&index=7Scriabin: Fantasie in B Minor, Op. 28:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHGtgZnYE0w&list=OLAK5uy_lmGKdh-Jd_h-V8Rbuy3SSMoISjyjbp1ww&index=7https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lmGKdh-Jd_h-V8Rbuy3SSMoISjyjbp1wwBeen meaning to check out Glemser's Scriabin for a while, I've read great things.
Chopin was too unintelligent to compose a string quartet due to his poor counterpoint talent, but he should have dropped piano and taken on cello suites, or at least work on songs.
Does anyone here like Shostakovich's Symphony No. 13? I'm gonna finally give it another listen.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S95MKDTEgZE
>>129249722Spohr is cool, but whenever I see him or listen to his music I remember there was one particular YouTube commenter who would go on different videos of Spohr's music and comment about how much he despised it and how Spohr was the worst composer of all time. Weird choice of composer to hate in my opinion
Yeah, I'm totally correct, this is far better. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJvi7wAupaQ&list=PLHhl9W0kUwfT3LFk2uNej-EO7OWegUvVt&index=2Everything about Chopin would have been expressed in a superior manner with strings.
>>129249788>>129249892here's your (you)
>>129249957The piano can't sing, imitating bel canto on a percussive instrument is nonsensical.
wait a second, Rienzi is actually a full opera and not just an singular overture orchestral piece? wtfff
another thread another retarded pointless discussion
>>129250077it's like 5 hours long toothe only complete recording is by Edward Downes
For today's opera performance, we listen to Puccini's Tosca conducted by Erich Leinsdorf.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ux6Ed-liHMI&list=OLAK5uy_lwyy1ZGqxo7brHffft62GdTmLds1VCeLE&index=8Any recs (both work and recording) for Janacek's operas? After this one, I wanna finally listen to one of his.
>>129250085True, we should spend our time talking about our love for Timberly instead.
Recs for lesser-known baroque/classical era oratorios and large-scale choral works? Stuff like Telemann's and Schutz Passions, for example
Schutzhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwGw6ieYyF0&list=OLAK5uy_mKK5aVoVxCYX-PnBGBvfkx3tpvIhmvSTI&index=10
>>129249788>his poor counterpoint talent,the most metalfaggotesque dumb shit ever uttered in this place
Big fan of Bernius' Mendelssohn
This is my no 1 desert island disc. I could listen to strauss waltzes 24/7 and probably never tire of them
>>129250782I know you don't listen to contrapuntal composers very often (besides pretending to listen to AoF once in a blue moon), but do give the real romantic masters a shot: Reger, Taneyev, Medter, etcWe have all listened to Chopin's fugue, and we all wish we hadn't. Eventually your silly idolization and worship of Chopin needs to come back in contact with reality.
>>129251281it seems you don't know anything, not what I listen to, not what consititues a counterpoint, not who good contrapuntists are. keep your delusions over at >>>/metal/
Any favored recordings of Kodály's Sonata for Solo Cello?
>>129251281I do like the subject of Chopin's fugue I wish someone made a real one out of it
>>129251311We all know what you listen to: Schumann and Chopin slopper. The closest to contrapuntal composer you get to is when you spam about Mahler, who only composed symphonies where one can just soak in the Wagnarian bombast surface level (gimmick hammers and all) instead of pure four part writing in string quartet, or timbrally minimal options like solo organ/piano (where all great contrapuntalists spend their time on see Bach/Reger). Face reality, Chopin had his niche as a miniature melodicist (should have written for strings or voice), but his form, orchestration, and contrapuntal abilities were of low quality.
>>129251413>I do like the subject of Chopin's fugueIts because he wrote good melodies and phrases, he was just mediocre at anything else. He could have written some really good cello suites IMO.
>>129251099It's pretty good.
I'm starting to get the impression that all this isn't bait and these really are his unfiltered dogshit opinions.
>>129251334https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkXeDhFYK6Y&list=OLAK5uy_mH8Q8BJDgFj3NHarOzZrkLrlyz65JsYGQ&index=1>>129251178It's fun music for sure.
>>129251420thank you musically illiterate charlatan, maybe try >>>/metal/ instead?
I'm trying to get into classical music but there is just so much noodling around that it just never really clicks for me. Like I get it, you can wank off a theme for 27 minutes, I just want to hear a discernable melody once in a while.
>>129251479i dont know who you are talking about. The guy who says Chopin is great at everything and calls everyone who disagrees a metalfaggot, or the guy who says Chopin is only good at melodies and calls everyone who disagrees a metalfaggot?
>>129251522>the guy who says Chopin is only good at melodies and calls everyone who disagrees a metalfaggot?I say that first part, but leave the spamming copypaste to our black metal loving Chopinslopper.
>>129251521Classical is the opposite of modern music in the sense that modern music gives you what you want and loops that until the end. Classical knows that's not how life works, that that's escapism, and the only true constant in life is change, and it reflects this philosophy in its music
>>129251543>the only true constant in life is changeThis, but the complete opposite.
>>129251334>Solo Cellothere's some spanish joke in there i'm sure
>>129251543>the only true constant in life is changeThats why we listen to the same 6 classical artists for 200+ years? lolAlso you can't claim that Classical isn't also escapism
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZcKlifirsQYYunchan Lim is better than Glenn Gould at Bach...?
>>129251574>youtube slopNot watching!
>>129251458Was already converted by his Lobgesang, but he brings such clarity to Paulus, which is exactly what its earnest and searching mood demands.
>>129251479Unfortunately they are. Not only are they totally musically illiterate imbecile, but fheir confidence level is out of the universe. >>129251522No one says Chopin or any composer for that matter was good at everything. He never studied orchestrarion and strict contrapuntal forms, but he is genius at harmony and counterpoint. Learn schenkerian analysis and read Damschroder before attempting to form some misinformed thoughts.
>>129251561200 years is nothing
>>129249707Sweetie you forgot the Lettberg again. It's time to get back to the disciplinary chamber.
>>129251521Sometimes it's noodling, sometimes it's development and variations. That said, in that case I'd recommend sticking to chamber works (eg string quartets, piano quartets, violin/cello sonatas) and solo piano music. Maaaybe concertos.For example, peep Chopin's Preludes -- they get right to it!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqXYIteAfNs
>>129251586>he never studied contrapuntal forms>he is genius at counterpoint.The mind of a Chopincel is curious. We have to wonder what sort of "genius" contrapuntalist can't even write a decent fugue. >read Damschroder I always love when you cherrypick modern thinkers that you would otherwise dismiss because "IQ's are lowered", but allow because they promote or agree with whatever agenda you have. "Only le ol school pianists are good, but this person who says Chopin is amazing in 20xx? Why of course its worth reading!". Lol.
>>129251574Is this about Lim's new Goldberg Variations recording? Is it finally out? Lemme check... fug, it's not out on streaming till Feb 5th.
>>129251662the mind of illiterate metalslopper is not curious at all and should return to >>>/metal/
Act III of Tannhauser blew my mind
>>129251670"Everything new is bad and low IQ! (unless it agrees with me)" - the infinite intelligence that comes with a lifetime of black metal listening.
For today's opera performance, we listen to Janacek's Jenufa conducted by Simon Rattle.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNwybqBJXkE&list=OLAK5uy_k263_d5auDjvGDp3Qk-x_e1O5tarAb260&index=2>Jenufa is pregnant, but she isn't married. In her isolated mountain village this means disgrace, or even death. The composer pondered his characters' predicament for many years. The opera he eventually completed is a blazing vision of human suffering and redemption, rooted in the rhythms of everyday life. Jenufa brings together a remarkable cast, including Agneta Eichenholz's heartbreaking portrayal of a vulnerable young woman and Katarina Karnéus' achingly powerful Kostelnicka. The third in a series of Janácek operas presented by Conductor Emeritus Sir Simon Rattle and the LSO, this next installment follows the critically acclaimed Katya Kabanova, released in 2024, and The Cunning Little Vixen, released in 2020.
now playingstart of Schumann: Piano Concerto in A Minor, Op. 54https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQg70WAsVC0&list=OLAK5uy_lcYDLJheBbtlPfwWxTd71TMjG91A1Ls7U&index=2start of Schumann: Piano Quintet in E-Flat Major, Op. 44https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mbJIKx0P1R8&list=OLAK5uy_lcYDLJheBbtlPfwWxTd71TMjG91A1Ls7U&index=4https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lcYDLJheBbtlPfwWxTd71TMjG91A1Ls7UI've come around to the greatness of the pianist Rudolf Serkin. And of course I already love Ormandy and the Budapest Quartet, so how can you miss out on adding this to your library and listening to it?
>>129251683thank you embarrassing metalimbecile >>>/metal/
>>129251737>how can you miss out on adding this to your library and listening to it?I've heard it. I don't see why I should be listening to that over Cortot's 27 recording, which is perfection by itself.
>>129251770I sighed irl
>>129251784I chuckled. But it's sad that you can't hear the genius of his performance:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZtpJHhhAqEI'm listening to the Serkin recording, but damn I want to switch over to Cortot's, to my ears they both (the pianist and the conductor) are deliberately trying to ruin the piece and strip all the beauty off it. I could be listening to a good midi recording and I wouldn't be able to tell the difference!
Going to look into Maltempo like I promised. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8s3SJBkwZO4&list=PLOZUZb4eVaRr7vvLR2UlHjyRxekldcY0q>>129251784Total norseposter fatigue. Lol.
>>129251770>I don't see why I should be listening to that over a recording with more hiss than a pit of snakes
>>129251910>incoming horizontal legato beta cantonese maria callas old good new bad ramble
>>129251910Snakes, and also portamentos, proper contrast of dynamics, and generally much more expression and soul, yes. Scary, right?
>>129251941>trying his hardest not to mention horizontal vertical legato beta cantoneseTop kek, like watching an addict drinking non-alcoholic bear staring at the open liquor bottle.
I asked my kitty who's her favorite pianist and she said,>ARRAUW!!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qr23JaTLGJs
what the hell did this guy do to you to possess you to spam like this for days and daysanyway Spohrhttps://youtu.be/xxAzo2LC1Ck
>>129249788He just preferred the tone colours of the piano simple as.
>>129251940Its more so the old good new bad that dominates his mind and he did so for black metal as well, but the low-fi nature hits his nostalgia bone really good too. Trust me, he did the exact same shtick for metal as well. He would exclusively listened to 90's black metal, and refuse to budge on it at all dropping the same style of copy pasta about "Pytten Grieghallen, Norway, melody, etc.".https://desuarchive.org/mu/thread/123053266/#q123055178
>>129251574His articulation of the separate voices is poor.
>>129251574He was born to play liszt
>>129252247that's a peano anon not a violin
>>129252214I think its more-so that piano is more suited to being a solo performer in a salon, string instruments are usually a chamber group effort.
>>129251574>see Asian face in music related video>thumbs down>don't recommend this channel沒什麼私人恩怨
>>129252278Sure there’s that but I think his musical imagination just never left the piano keys
>>129251941none of that matters when the sound quality is so shit
>>129251977mine said Ashkenazy
>>129251977https://youtu.be/WbHCuJLHYe8
>>129251999One might say he has been mindbroken and mentally dominated. I'm actually not entirely sure what set him of, well actually I know the section that made him go full spam mode (it was when I pretended to be him in a mocking fashion https://desuarchive.org/mu/thread/129140621/#q129150932), but he was acting very agitated and aggressive towards me even before I began breaking his balls for laughs. Which is weird because on /metal/ we argued about stuff but it was never truly asshurt like he is now. I think sisterposter buckbroke him dearly.
>>129250077quite repugnant
I want a read a good biography of a composer. Who had the most interesting life?
>>129252564Wagner, Havergal Brian, and Hovhaness
What does Barenboim actually do?
How can I go about learning to play piano better? Any video guides or whatever you guys would recommend?
In questo lieto e fortunato giorno,Ch’ha posto fine à gli amorosi affanniDel nostro Semideo, cantiam Pastori,In sì soavi accenti,Che sian degni d’ORFEO nostri concenti.
>>129253357you really need to spend more time browsing 4chan. that's the secret they won't tell you.
>>129253357This guy has some good videos:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFrhar5XexUhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtSivV5E4HUhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVMW7zo4w90
>>129253468buy an ad, faggot.
>>129253357Actually, disregard that post with the links to actually useful information. One of our fellow crabs in the /classical/ bucket has correctly pointed out that someone could conceivably make a few fractions of a cent if you watch his freely available youtube videos. That just won't do! Instead, I recommend you read C.P.E. Bach's treatise on the true art of playing the keyboard. For best results you should download the worst scan you can find, to keep in line with the hiss-aesthetic we all know and love.
>>129253363whats wrong with latin, ho capito?
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>>129253568thanks
Redpill me on Tilson Thomas.
