>visits a music community>no talks about harmony>no talks about structure>no talks about production>no talks about semiotics>no talks about emotions>no talks about Schopenhauer, Adorno, DeleuzeEveryone loves to talk about what's "best" "worst" "good" "bad" but no one wants to talk about 'how' it has those qualities. Or just talks about politics that has nothing to do with the music itself.
Music music versus commercial music. Music as warfare.
>>129333422>AdornoOP is a retard.
>>129333422https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMi9AHqKWWs
>>129333637Schubert could make the most bizarre lines to god melodies.
Schubert could make god melodies with the most bizarre notes.
>>129333495>Music as warfare.This guy gets it.
>>129333422>Schopenhauer, Adorno, DeleuzeWhy would they be talking about frozen pizza brands on a music forum
>>129333422None of that stuff is quantitative so the discussion ends up being the same thing as you're complaining about, just with more steps
>>129333422Why would anyone talk about emotions thats for faggots.I think you mean Modes...Lydian is the best tbqfh
>>129333422>productionYeah man let's talk about the tasteful use of reverb on sounds higher than 1000hz
>>129334531We talk sbout production in /prod/ but op is retarded
>>129333422Online music discussion can simply be resumed as your taste >>>>>>> My taste. Also more than half aren't even musicians
force everyone on this board to learn music theory so they have something to talk about other than celebrity drama
>>129333422At first I thought that was Liebestaum...but, damn those red circles on the obvious melody line really piss me off.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IppknLbpkA
>>129333422>>129334862music is the one art form where absolutely brainlets are allowed to be critics for some reason. at least movie critics have a vague idea of what makes a movie work, music critics and listeners have no fucking idea what makes a song "good" or "work"
>>129334376Some of it literally is, and the rest is qualifiable in intersubjective ways, which is the relevant standard for evaluative discussion. Harmony, form, rhythm and production all involve countable and comparable properties like harmonic rhythm, phrase length, modulation frequency, registral span, dynamic range, textural density, repetition vs. development, motivic recurrence, spectral balance, etc. You don't get objectivity in the physics sense, but you do get constraints that aren't arbitrary. Two people analyzing the same piece can disagree, but not infinitely, because their claims are bounded by what's actually there.>>129334445>OP: Everyone loves to talk about what's "best" "worst" "good" "bad" but no one wants to talk about 'how' it has those qualities.>Lydian is the best tbqfhBrilliant.>>129333422Anyway, to answer your question, OP: because most people listen to relatively simple, uninteresting, mass-market (popular) music and they don't have any knowledge of theory, history or aesthetics. Discussions naturally collapse into rankings, identity signaling and politics, so you're left with nothing of substance.
>>129335308because spreading the range in the lydian scale makes the pitch sound like clearer notes and its cleaner.
>>129333422There isn't much to talk about regarding music besides putting things in a canon (Scaruffi) and how it makes you feel. "Talking about music is like dancing about architecture" it's said. Production? Semiotics? Harmony? The only thing that can truly be said about those, in the end, is >The production allows for this to be the best thing it could possibly beor>The production holds it backetc. The only reviewer worth reading is Scaruffi because of his incredible amount of knowledge allowing him to make comparisons that can lead you from one band to a precursor or descendant, derivative or original, etc. Everybody else really just isn't worth caring about.
>>129335874Oh and also that's not to say he cannot be wrong. Some of the stuff he says is stupid, 100%.
>>129335874>>129335879OP is rightwe talk about how music is le dying and dumb shit like that but we aint talking about HOW to make music better and what things newbies have to learn and grind to make REAL Music.
>>129335977I don't talk about how music is dying, and I don't have to talk about how to make music better. I have my own music to make. Again, talking about music is like dancing about architecture.
favorite song structure?
>>129333422>thinks an internet forum is a community in 2000+30-4lol most of the actual communities this board bred were almost always people actually making music. fuck are you doing if your hobby is listening to music lol that's not a hobby, that's something you do in between life stuff, as you discover more and more music through people and your own experiences
>>129333422Too many notes.
>>129336012Favorite mode?
>>129336160the more the merrier
>>129336163Modes are useless shit for autistic jazz retards who don't make good sounding music in the first place.
>>129336399You're retarded lol I was able to learn a song easier because I knew in whch mode it was on. I knew predictably what set of keys it was going to use the most and adapted accordingly.
>>129336163Muh modes are the redditest musical concept
>>129336454They are useful i learned a song due to them.
>>129336454lol what a retard
>>129336089ABBA
>>129335058>music critics and listeners have no fucking idea what makes a song "good" or "work"If I like it, it's good then. There's not much to it
>>129336153>fuck are you doing if your hobby is listening to music lol that's not a hobby, that's something you do in between life stuff,I don't have time to music, I have a career outside music
>>129336089ABCABD>>129336163Mixolydian>>129336399>>129336454Modes are useful if you think of them not as lists of notes to limit yourself to but as flavours, i.e. a Phrygian flavour is a flat 2 in the context of a minor tonic but the entire composition doesn't have to be Phrygian
>>129335058>
>>129336962Ok so according to you, the most liked stuff is the best.
>>129333422I talk about aesthetic philosophy in music. I did a paper once on it. but I also dig non-"classical" forms of music like jazz, prog, industrial, punk and metal.
>>129336987unironically good choicesare you into prog?
>>129336976You're def such an important asset to this boards musical literacy scale fucking lmao kill thyself
>>129336976>I don't have time to music, I have a career outside music>spends his time on an image board about musicYou have time to learn music you are just a pretentious fart smeller
>>129337009Not as much as when I was a teenager but I still like Gentle Giant, VdGG and Cardiacs
>>129334445Lydian will turn you trans. Men implement Dorian
>>129337189thats retarded Lydian is beautiful, Mixolydian is arguably more beautiful.Tranny shit is the most awkward shit, troons never do anything that is considered standard beatiful they have to "queer" shit up and thus they end up selecting ugly shit on propouse because god forbid something conventional is conventional because it works and is beautiful.
>>129336089>A>15 minutes later>B>5 minutes later>A
>>129336163what the fuck does this shit even mean
>>129336997No, other people are irrelevant/morons. The stuff I like the most is 'best'.
>>129337472walnut brainlethttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ionianshttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doric_Greekhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aeolic_Greekbasically it means scale that sounds wise but heavy, scale that sounds just militaristic heavy, beautiful dreamy sounding scale, relaxing ethereal sounding scale, sad dark scale, etc.Those are questions you could be asking a chatbot but you are lazy as fuck.when you learn the sounds of those scales you can apply them to identify fucking everything because they cover all notes. Usually songs are in one of those modes they dont usually switch them up all over the place, when you recognize in which mode it is you can learn to play the song by ear easier because music has a structure to it, unless its slop and profusely dissonant like a retard smashing the keys in any random order.
>>129336089AABABCABCD. the final evolution of popular music
>>129337628not true. the evolution of popslop is going to be AAAA mass production. Just verse. No bridge.
>>129337628Honorable mentions:ABCBAABACADAABACB but the second B is giga juiced upABCDABCDABCDEABCDABCDABCDEA>>129337641true, should've said the ideal final evolution of popular music
>>129337676>ABACB but the second B is giga juiced upThis is my shit.
>>129336089A or AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA (I like drone music)
There's not enough song structure autism in the world tbdesu. One of the best things ever is when a song begins careening through all the previous sections/riffs near the end, though this comes off as very gay and cheap if done poorly. Another great technique is cockteasing the listener with a mini version of the chorus before it comes in for real.
>>129337982>One of the best things ever is when a song begins careening through all the previous sections/riffs near the endHow about when it does it for the entire album?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfOmkd1o4bk
>>129335308None of that stuff is really quantitative, it's just delving into the minutae of how sound physically works but that doesn't say much. You can't actually say anything "harmony"s or "rhythm"s harder than another. Spectral balance, no one is going to be talking about this stuff except sound engineers. Intersubjective quality is just a fancy way or saying a lot of people are moved by something. This is pedantic
>>129335308>because their claims are bounded by what's actually there.>/mu/>''it's music!''fuck you retarded child
Learn these, they instantly make a song more beautiful. Spam them all over the whole range of keys you will see what I mean. Ofc they sound better on the right handed side but they work anywhere really.
>>129337052No I dont. I have more important things to do>>129337011You're welcome. That's the vast majority of music fans
>>129339340>No I dont. I have more important things to dostop posting on 4chan you are so important
>>129336163Dorian for me; mixolydian is good too.
>>129339205True
>>129339340>That's the vast majority of music fansnone of whom need to be here though
