Chad Schumann editionhttps://youtu.be/jvwkoLXUyToThis thread is for the discussion of music in the Western (European) classical tradition, as well as classical instrument-playing.>How do I get into classical?This link has resources including audio courses, textbooks and selections of recordings to help you start to understand and appreciate classical music:https://rentry.org/classicalgenPrevious: >>129365334
he posted it again!
>>129380258Consider this your punishment. This is what you get when you try to fill the thread with shitposts in order to open a new one yourself. The Chad Schumann editions will continue until morale improves.
>>129380271>This is what you get when you try to fill the thread with shitposts in order to open a new one yourself.Doesn't look like they did that this time to be fair.
Whats his major malfunction
>>129380278Chad Schumann
>>129380278They don't have to be unique...? Literally who cares what the OP is so long as it's classical related as to be identifiable this is the thread.
>>129380284It wasn't funny the first time, it surely isn't funny the 83rd time. Why not try something new?
Any thoughts?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FowSeDVoV48&list=OLAK5uy_lkrx2_Zfw8M7V0DkkR1NHmJceGuPzYGgs&index=1>Although Einstein on the Beach is by definition an opera, Philip Glass's most famous work also transcends traditional music categories. Glass avoided all vestiges of plot in the piece and dug deep into his quiver of repetitions to create an artfully unnerving five hours of brilliance. The instrumental ensemble never exceeds five members, playing electric keyboards, saxophones, flutes, and a single violin. Furthermore, the music congregates around the upper registers, often darting through its loops at seemingly incredible paces. The chorus bears huge chops, creating a dense, if silkenly staccato, series of juts, and a powerful array of higher-register annunciations that ring with the aural power of leaping, blurring filaments. This 1993 version of Einstein truly supersedes its predecessors, stretching to around 190 minutes over three CDs. There is a strong current of postmodern collage throughout the piece, with rafts of pop culture references. But Einstein, after all, is indeed based loosely on Albert Einstein and ends with booming allusions to nuclear annihilation and mathematics. --Andrew Bartlett
>>129380316Wait a second, is this where Murakami got the influence of the name of his novel, Kafka on the Shore? Well I'll be...
>>129380278Schumann agenda
Crapped my diaper listening to Scriabin again.
heard the receptionist at the dentist whistling Webernhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8cE5Gt3lWU
>>129380332It comes from an older saying
>>129380364it's a shame Webern didn't write more pieces like this. I would go as far as to say the whole 2nd Viennese school should have remained in the late romantic idiom.
>>129380424ahh, so they're both from that? thanks
>>129380278Bait or mental retardation call it
>>129380430No one could resist the historical waves of modernism.
>>129380451a bit from column A and a bit from column B.
>>129380430idk i think i prefer Webern in his more extreme phaseSchoenberg was better before his 12 tone phase though despite a few gems (even the atonal stuff is really good) Berg was always good, never stopped being good.
>>129380278spammers are socially inept, boring people who are under the impression that in order to be liked they need to develop a personality (which is true), but what they think a personality is is "repeating the same bit over and over again until I'm known as the 'Xguy' or some other nickname"it's common behavior among children in school and shut-insat least in this case it's just a weird image and not walls of text
Lohengrin has the power to save the world
now playinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xv5ykr9RrM
>>129380316Holy fuck this is literally the most autistic opera ever. Like you can't get more autistic than this.
>>129381237It looks how a postmodern opera is supposed to look I suppose
critics on Einstein on the Beach>“Einstein was like nothing I had ever encountered. For me, its very elusiveness radiated richly, like some dark star whose effects we can only feel. The synergy of words and music seemed ideal...Einstein on the Beach, perhaps, like Einstein himself, transcended time. It’s not (just) an artifact of its era, it’s timeless... Einstein must be seen and re-seen, encountered and savored...an experience to cherish for a lifetime.”— John Rockwell, Art Critic for The New York Times>“Opera in America can be divided, plain and simple, before “Einstein” and after “Einstein.””— Mark Swed, Los Angeles Times, August 6, 2025now that's high praise. we should all take tomorrow to listen to this work and then we'll reconvene on here to discuss it
>>129381254Yeah, like fucking autism.>train>spaceship>autistic poet talking about sailboats and air conditions>math>autistic spazzing out onstage>autistic repetition
>>129381404Autism, art, fine line, my main man
>>129381422You clearly either have a low bar for "art" (no taste), or don't know just HOW autistic I'm talking about.Like... listen to the fucking opera. THEN get back to me on how "artistic" it is.
>>129381433lol I'm just charitable; the opera is obviously a big deal, especially looking at the quotes above, so I'm giving the benefit of the doubt that yeah, it's probably good, or at least high art.>Like... listen to the fucking opera. THEN get back to me on how "artistic" it is.Maybe in about a week.
>>129380250>Das Paradies und die PeriMann, Schumann never disappoints. This is nice.
>>129382442I'm learning his Gesange der Fruhe. What do you think of them?
>>129380316I would say the only thing minimalists excel at is making serialists look good by comparison but that would be an insult to serialists.
Brahms's last piano pieces (Op. 116 - 119) are underrated here. Never seen them talked about. this recording just came out and I am quite liking it (which means a lot, because having performed a few of these myself I have always been somewhat unsatisfied by available recordings)
>>129382442>Schumann never disappointsHe actually quite often disappoints and I've never met a Schumann fan that was so insane as to like all of his works including those written at the end of his life when he was mad.
>>129382674people like his ghost variations and that's his very last piano piece
>>129382674Yeah, "never disappoints" is an absurd thing to say. Schumann is one of the most inconsistent composers of all time.
So sad Schumann has no melodies.
>>129379220>The first few are ChopinesqueThis is why I don't like them, I hate chopin. And Scriabin's pieces feels like improvisations, they feel like wankery to my uneducated ear.>>129379193It's well written no doubt. But I can't agree with what you're saying>very particular sense of harmony once you get into his mid-late sonatasCan you link one?>Piano Sonata No. 4 Tried listening to that, this is like waiting room music to me, I hate Chopin-type stuff. At least it has more depth than probably anything Chopin ever composed. I don't find any parts of it to be that memorable. Tb h I don't get it but I'm not that interested in getting it, romantic is gay as hell >Have you tried Chopin or Debussy?Yeah, no thanks.
>>129382849You seem like an idiot and unworthy of being helped any further.
>>129382849>this is like waiting room music to meULTRA BASED
>>129382849please shut up.
>>129380070>but rarely the sonatasHoly plebeian! I don't even listen to anything besides his sonatas tbqh. Preludes and Etudes are nice, but they're already finished by the time you are just getting into the music. 10~ minutes is the minimum mark for a decent piece. >Sofronitzky or SzidonSofro is good, but unlistenable sound quality, same with Feinberg. Szidon's 4th is very passive, I find it very boring. Ashkenazy is my favorite overall cycle, possibly helped by the fact his piano is overprojected give it a more dramatic sound, Hamelin is very close with a clearer sound, and he probably does the later sonatas better.
>>129382849Stick to baroque, chad. This pleb general worships romantislop composers.
>>129383125Hi there!You seem to have made a bit of a mistake in your post. Luckily, the users of 4chan are always willing to help you clear this problem right up! You appear to have used a tripcode when posting, but your identity has nothing at all to do with the conversation! Whoops! You should always remember to stop using your tripcode when the thread it was used for is gone, unless another one is started! Posting with a tripcode when it isn't necessary is poor form. You should always try to post anonymously, unless your identity is absolutely vital to the post that you're making!Now, there's no need to thank me - I'm just doing my bit to help you get used to the anonymous image-board culture!
Feinberg's 3rd.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCslDmwzWhE
>>129383150anonymity is for unaccountable cowards.
>>129383126>HamelinDidn't knew he played those, will definitely listen to it>Holy plebeian!It's because I like them the most, so I listen them the least to avoid memorizing/getting used to it >>129380209 was me kek
>>129383194Reddit sounds perfect for you then.
>>129380250getting back into classical, grew up playing it. question, say i know what piece of music i want to listen to and its been performed and recorded 99999 times over the years. what's a good resource for quick opinions and reviews of them?
>>129383195>>Didn't knew he played those, will definitely listen to itI found it was among Scriabin's most famous cycles, but definitely check it out. I think Hamelin is so prolific and so skilled that most people pick different performances just to have their own unique taste, but I think hes almost always fantastic, with like a few interpretive things I disagree with, such as the middle two movements of Alkan's symphony. >I listen them the least to avoid memorizing/getting used toI did this for some movies I really liked, although I feel like with really great music you can continuously dig into pieces and uncover more and more you like about it. In fact some music really does have to be listened to again and again to really get the full enjoyment out of. >>129383208>Feinberg>romanticNGMI lass.
Do you think this nigga still has his balls? How is it possible to sing so high-pitchedhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQq66M_nPy0
>>129383215>lasswe don't speak like porridge niggers here.
>>129383221>niggaPost immediately hidden and left unread.
>>129382665Hey, nice to see someone else post this recording, I've had my had on it and the new Anderszewski Brahms recording for a little while, waiting for both to come out. Glad to hear it's good, I'll give it a listen tonight.Here's the Anderszewski one (only 48 minutes, out of order, and doesn't have all the pieces -_- but he's such a great pianist it's worth it)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anPq8tweGOM&list=OLAK5uy_keTyaf7z8DNX6P1eKZiOU-pG2HzSy8Ds0&index=1
>>129383223>>129383227I bet this poster smells his own farts while listening to Chopin and Wagner then says shit like "Ahh. Exquisite."Anyway, back to Scriabin.www.youtube.com/watch?v=loKu_APkKQY
>>129382442based choral anon, check out his Faust nexthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEggw2Z14ZA&list=OLAK5uy_nGmtlNYc15G8ncCv2yeNbvxNyUWwy-Ha4&index=2Antoni Wit, Abbado, and Herreweghe all have worthwhile recordings of it too but I like posting this newer Daniel Harding one :)
>>129382665>>129383245I've had my eye* on it
>>129383255>every post that insults me must be from the same poster.meds. now.
>>129383255>Chopin and WagnerMocked here.
>>129383267I didn't make the post about Scriabin and Hamelin.
>>129383255>I bet this poster smells his own farts while listening to Chopin and Wagner then says shit like "Ahh. Exquisite."...you actually typed this out and posted it on the /classical/ general, wow. Never post here again.
>>129383213classicstoday.com
>>129383261>posting modern recordings to norseposterLol.Lmao.My condolences for your wasted effort.
>>129383284o-oh, oh no :(
>>129382486What's your prefered recording? I don't remember if I listened to it.>>129382674>>129382804I don't like all of his works equally, but they're never disappointing. For example, 3rd symphony is by far one of the greatest works of art and possibly peak of the genre, but I like 4th, 1st and 2nd as well, even if they aren't nearly on the same level. So he IS inconsistent (as is every single composer), however never mediocre, which is what makes him different, from what I know at least - I haven't gone through every single opus, especially choral works.>>129383261I'm not a huge choral guy, but Schumann makes it work for me.
In Schumann there is not a single melody, and that’s why I place Schubert so high above him.
>there are people in this thread right NOW talking trash about Schumannembarrassinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xR_ETcAQWxc
Why didn't you guys tell me Vivaldi was based?
>>129383306Subhumann is among the more embarrassing of romantics along with Liszt.
Hector and his attention-seeking baitposts are getting boring.
Harmony or Counterpoint?
>>129383320two sides of the same square.
Unfortunately, methods in music teaching, instead of making students thoroughly acquainted with the music itself, furnish a conglomerate of more or less true historical facts, sugarcoated with a great number of more or less false anecdotes about the composer, his performers, his audiences, and his critics, plus a strong dose of popularized aesthetics. Thus I once read in an examination paper of a sophomore, who had studied only a little harmony and much music appreciation, but who had certainly not heard much “live” music, that “Schumann’s orchestration is gloomy and unclear.” This wisdom was derived directly and verbally from the textbook used in class. [...]Thus, there is not the same degree of unanimity among experts of orchestration as there is between the sophomore girl and her textbook. But irreparable damage has been done; this girl, and probably all her classmates, will never listen to the orchestra of Schumann naively, sensitively, and open-mindedly. At the end of the term she will have acquired a knowledge of music history, aesthetics, and criticism, plus a number of amusing anecdotes; but unfortunately she may not remember even one of those gloomily orchestrated Schumann themes. In a few years she will take her master’s degree in music, or will have become a teacher, or both, and will disseminate what she has been taught: ready-made judgments, wrong and superficial ideas about music, musicians, and aesthetics.
Jute Gyte is technically /classical/ approved
This guy has a hector post radar kek. Talk about being obsessed, actual mental domination
Looks like another Chopindian spergout after Schumann was insulted. Has to be the most effeminate fragile poster here, which is crazy to think about since I'm pretty sure a third of this general are women.
>>129383346the Maho poster is definitely a woman.
Mindbroken an mentally dominated
Great general you have there, Pointdexters.
>>129383354The "thanks for trying" poster is 100% a women too.
>>129383364Forgive us, the estrogenized black metal listening Chopindian is upset because one of his romantslopper composers was insulted again, so it'll be another 8 hours of spam I'm afraid.
>>129383376Rightfully insulted. Romantslop is hated, mocked here.
>>129383381Correct.
Since we are on the topic of Schumann and the Chopindian is in spam mode, never forget when he asked for a recommendation from /classical/ and immediately went back to /metal/ to act superior over his /metal/fag friends.Ask others for Schumann recommendations as a newfag tourist:https://desuarchive.org/mu/thread/122525378/#q122559879Is told violin sonata 2:https://desuarchive.org/mu/thread/122525378/#q122560419Then goes on /metal/ acting superior and posts the violin sonata 2 he was told to listen to despite knowing nothing about it:https://desuarchive.org/mu/thread/122560249/#q122563518Loving Every Laugh.
Kinda sad how invested some of you guys are into stalking other retarded posters.
>>129383400Well we were posting about music until he started another one of his feminized attention seeking tantrums.
Another Hectorian Victory
>Hector Hector Hector>gb2/metal/ lolol>chopindian>schumann sucks>spam spam spam spam spam>i dont like metal, YOU like metal>schizo cuck>obsessed!>Correct.>cliquespam>maybe try >>>/metal instead?ahhhhhHHHHHHHHHhhhhh
>>129383507and people wonder why classical music is gatekept.
>>129383508>tfw the anon who spams the general now is the same anon I've been giving recommendations to for every composer for the past 6 monthsi-i'm so sorry, anons, i didn't know
>>129383507Romatisloppers are all neurotics.
>>129383507Reminder that Hector only posts here because he gets banned on sight on /metal/ for spamming dox, CP and pictures of dead animals after getting triggered by people shitting on Jute Gyte.
>>129383511This is why you never act nice or give recs to newfags.
>>129383527I will now havehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpMdr9nBJc0ready on the clipboard 24/7
>>129383540you can have this one too:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-sj5wq4EIRg&pp=0gcJCdgAo7VqN5tD
now playingstart of Beethoven: Piano Sonata No. 16 in G Major, Op. 31 No. 1https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXvjewOMN5w&list=OLAK5uy_leivrAoqWaA5D9TQ6OfHBP_c7v6Li-FcA&index=61start of Piano Sonata No. 17 in D Minor, Op. 31 No. 2, "The Tempest"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXDa2wtddxk&list=OLAK5uy_leivrAoqWaA5D9TQ6OfHBP_c7v6Li-FcA&index=64start of Piano Sonata No. 18 in E-Flat Major, Op. 31 No. 3https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjqZpu-2e-Q&list=OLAK5uy_leivrAoqWaA5D9TQ6OfHBP_c7v6Li-FcA&index=67start of Piano Sonata No. 19 in G Minor, Op. 49 No. 1:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBH8L523r5Y&list=OLAK5uy_leivrAoqWaA5D9TQ6OfHBP_c7v6Li-FcA&index=71start of Piano Sonata No. 20 in G Major, Op. 49 No. 2https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2D60kRJav8&list=OLAK5uy_leivrAoqWaA5D9TQ6OfHBP_c7v6Li-FcA&index=72https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_leivrAoqWaA5D9TQ6OfHBP_c7v6Li-FcA
>>129383563Fazil? More like Fartcel.
>>129383567Anon, please, I'm effortposting.
>>129383580>effortpostingSo where's Schnabel, I don't see it.
>>129383563>BeethovenBack to red*it please
>>129383594I got 99 Beethoven Piano Sonata cycles but Schnabel ain't one
>>129383599Sounds like low-effort-posting-and-listening to me.
hector has defeated:prozakkrvstykpoppermatthewjdawgnegruglen benton the cliquechopindianThread theme, Rachmaninoff is fitting https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2eMWaaARBU
>tfw put so much effort into posting new and different interpretations of the standard repertoire to introduce this general to new things but anons here only want to listen to the same one or two old recordingslife is suffering
>>129383599retard
>>129383622>>129383622he doesn't even rate, sorry
>>129383346I believe NaiveIdiot is a woman and basically have no real opinions of anything, they just tour through endless different performances reading reviews that say nothing. Offers no real resistance to any schizophrenia posted to them, just asks them to post more deranged garbage for whatever reason.
>>129383613what is the root of the pitch class set 0245?
>>129383615recording for this feel?
>>129383642hmmm maybehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BT58hRB3pag
>>129383638>Offers no real resistance to any schizophrenia posted to them,As if that's a bad thing lmao. Fuck off back to /metal/ and stop spamming and samefagging you insufferable twat. You turned this general into a shithole.
>>129383638Why are you trying to challenge me now?
>>129383632>No Levit>Gulda the string breaker in tier 1
>>129383661Levit ranks in this one :)
>>129383639the amount of times you've had sex
kraut-anon: 1hector: 0
>>129383679based
>>129383679>krautanonwho?
Anyway, Wagnerhttps://youtu.be/VMw0EjLFPXw
>>129383664Bretty based, Levit is actually really gud and I must thank you for pushing it to me. Can't say the same about Gulda though. You recommended Goode to me before, so I guess I really should go listen to his cycle to check if its goode or not. Listening!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUiPi-xWwuI&list=PLxXjllvtBC_rGQz87hJr9vdzo84Upmh-R>>129383659>>129383657>replying to copy pastes from the archive. So much for the high IQ general.
>Xe still listens to Beethoven
Beethovenhttps://youtu.be/jvAQNY7HFrw
>>129383691Hope you enjoy
>>129383698beethoven is entry and exit level
>>129383691Didn't ask /metal/shitter. Get the fuck out of here.>>129383705Perfect. This is probably the best hammerklavier I've heard, and mostly because of tempo
>>129383725Fazil Say's has a quick runtime toohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kezR70-uhG8&list=OLAK5uy_leivrAoqWaA5D9TQ6OfHBP_c7v6Li-FcA&index=9610:452:5414:4611:33so probably a tad slower in the first movement than you like but it works
>>129383684this poster: >>129383639
>>129383749What about him, what did he win and howAnyway Scribin https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOS0RJ15Wt8
>>129383738This is hyper slow and "safe", not in the mood atm. Maybe I'll check out someday.
Scriabin is entry and Feinberg is exit. >>129383725>Responded in 4 minutes of it being posted, literally not even enough time to get through the first movement>"Perfect.">Opens with cacophony of chords losing all articulation>Walking coffin adagio>"Perfect."Stick to Chopin and Schumann. >>129383738>14:46Thats pretty good time for the adagio, what was Gulda again, like 13.5 minutes?
>>129383779>Responded in 4 minutes of it being posted, literally not even enough time to get through the first movementI've listened to that recording dozens of times, what the fuck are you talking about?>Stick to Chopin and Schumann.Oh, of course it's the schizo, now wonder. You have no idea what articulation even means, or form. Stick to /metal/ and get the fuck out stinky charlatan
Oh now that we are on the subject of 106, what does the cycle suggester think of the Hamelinklavier?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hz1TEX0nOLw&list=OLAK5uy_k5J4dU643WQzCLHTmv6bJq0jG2QUwdaBY
Chopin trannies shouldn't be able to post here
>>129383804Chopincels are made and custom designed to to be sissified in order to pleasure and serve the actual men in classical.
>>129383810Correct.
>>129383803no thanks. I don't listen to music played by a cyberdyne systems model 101.
>>129383798>I've listened to that recording dozens of timesYeah just like you listened to that 2nd violin sonata from Schumann that someone rec'd you before running over to /metal/ and posting it there on the same day? Lol, embarrassing.
>>129383822>cyberdyne systems model 101Lowbrow reference, typical of the Hamelin hater.
I request Hector's thoughts on Vivaldi and Handel.
What's the classical equivalent of Grindrcore?
>>129383861Wagner
>>129383861The equivalent of complete garbage? Chopin, Schumann, Wagner, and Liszt.
Honestly I thought Wagner was more 4chan than reddit
what the fuck, janny? our gated community is being shat over by philistines and you're just sitting over there laughing. freaks like you need to be locked up and have the key thrown away.
>>129383875We prefer Mahler and Bruckner here.
>Among other things, Mr. Gould says that ''Chopin, Schubert and Liszt had no idea of how to write for the piano.'' He reserved his most cutting criticism, however, for Beethoven, asserting that ''Beethoven's reputation is based entirely on gossip.''>''The middle Beethoven,'' he added, ''represents a supreme example of a composer on an ego trip.''
Varesehttps://youtu.be/wClwaBuFOJA
Many anecdotes circulated about Mahler’s forgetfulness and absent-mindedness – Natalie Bauer-Lechner explained them as the result of “absorption and inward distraction.”At a social gathering as a young man, he is supposed once to have stirred his coffee with his cigarette instead of with the spoon and, thinking he had smoke in his mouth, to have blown coffee into the face of the hostess across the table.
>>129384068Remember when you posted this picture on /metal/?https://desuarchive.org/mu/thread/128875120/#128877605Based!
Thinking about the leftover lipstick marks from Schumann's rhythmic activities.
Chopin's "cannons buried in flowers" is a reference to the male cannon hiding under the dress of each of his fans.
>>129383507Correct.
>>129383507Its all one guy as well
>>129384233probably because we respect the other generals.
>>129384233thanks for the image, gonna post it in metalforthemasses subreddit
>>129384233The Chopincel was unfortunately mindbroken by his own general forcing him to talk about it here nonstop every day in his indian life.
>>129383126>ofro is good, but unlistenable sound quality, same with Feinbergthey both have a few listenable recordings unless you're totally averse to mono by default
