Beethoven editionhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jEh2vFxde0I&list=OLAK5uy_lOYcWs0T12cfuIMMmUnLMi3vbp7hpXREQ&index=12This thread is for the discussion of music in the Western (European) classical tradition, as well as classical instrument-playing.>How do I get into classical?This link has resources including audio courses, textbooks and selections of recordings to help you start to understand and appreciate classical music:https://rentry.org/classicalgenPrevious: >>129416250
is there a chart or list of essential opera performances to watch?
What's the closest classical to ambient? like the opening of Tristan und Usolde for instance, or maybe Debussy/Satie
>>129432805>essential opera performancesGot you, check out pic related
>>129432825He said performances, and your shitpost is out of place.
Schumannhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BCbI7MWzyo&list=OLAK5uy_lGkBNZUrzRxgCBy32jYLhBG2riT3AXTgU&index=47
>>129432833Sorry, let me get the correct chart
>>129432825amusing, so I'll give you a pass>>129432821you ever hear of a thing called minimalism, anon
>>129432848>>129432825Correct.
Reger had the best quotes in music history.>I am sitting in the smallest room of my house. I have your review before me. In a moment, it will be behind.>The pig and the artist are only appreciated after their death.
>>129432821Chopin nocturnes, and especially Berceuse, is very atmospheric. Fauré's nocturnes, barcarolles and ballade also. And Ravel, and other impressionists. I would recommend great recordings if you're not HISS-intolerant, here's a pupil of Chopin's favorite pupil, performing Berceuse and nocturne on Chopin's pleyel fortepiano:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcV3P6zS30QOr some Fauré:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1eSbHWHel9Y
>>129432805https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUj2CmUhKk0
>>129432896>The pig and the artist are only appreciated after their death.This is true for Schwammerls or 'Little Mushrooms' as well :3https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LmGyh0mAdwk
>>129432930>Hover over link>Fat disgusting slob ecelebPost hidden and link left unclicked.
>>129432930Anything I can read? I'm not really into videos, especially "video-essays"
>>129432978https://www.talkclassical.com/threads/the-tc-top-200-recommended-operas-2020-version.65366/
>>129432821>What's the closest classical to ambient?The entire genre of divertimenti was exactly that.>Designed to be light, entertaining, and charming, these pieces were often composed to accompany social events, such as meals, parties, or outdoor gatherings. >Mozart, in particular, often elevated the genre by filling these lightweight, functional pieces with incredible melodic beauty and high-quality counterpoint.
>>129432805/classical/'s favorite pieces AS DECIDED BY VOTE:1580s: Giovanni Pierluigi da Palestrina - Canticum Canticorum1590s: William Byrd - My Ladye Nevells Booke1600s: Claudio Monteverdi - L'Orfeo1610s: Carlo Gesualdo - Tenebrae Responsoria1620s: Samuel Scheidt - Tabulatura Nova1630s: Girolamo Frescobaldi - Fiori Musicali1640s: Giacomo Carissimi - Jephte1650s: Heinrich Schutz - Symphoniae Sacrae III1660s: Francesco Cavalli - Ercole Amante1670s: Jean-Baptiste Lully - Cadmus et Hermione1680s: Henry Purcell - Dido & Aeneas1690s: A. Corelli - Twelve Trio-Sonatas, Op. 41700s: A. Scarlatti - Il Mitridate Eupatore1710s: F. Couperin - Second Livre de Pieces de Clavecin1720s: J. S. Bach - The Well-Tempered Clavier Book I1730s: G. B. Pergolesi - Stabat Mater1740s: C. P. E. Bach - Wurttemberg Sonatas1750s: J. S. Bach - The Art of Fugue1760s: C. W. Gluck - Orfeo ed Euridice1770s: Joseph Haydn - String Quartets, Op. 201780s: Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart - Symphony No. 411790s: Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart - Requiem1800s: Ludwig van Beethoven - Symphony No. 31810s: Gioachino Rossini - The Barber of Seville1820s: Ludwig van Beethoven - Symphony No. 91830s: Hector Berlioz - Symphonie Fantastique1840s: Mikhail Glinka - Ruslan and Lyudmila1850s: Franz Liszt - Piano Sonata in B Minor1860s: Johannes Brahms - A German Requiem1870s: Richard Wagner - Der Ring des Nibelungen1880s: Richard Wagner - Parsifal1890s: Giacomo Puccini - La Boheme1900s: Richard Strauss - Elektra1910s: Gustav Mahler - Symphony No. 91920s: Arnold Schoenberg - Variations for Orchestra, Op. 311930s: Edgar Varese - Ionisation1940s: Olivier Messiaen - Turangalila Symphony1950s: Iannis Xenakis - Metastaseis1960s: Harry Partch - Delusion of the Fury1970s: Alfred Schnittke - Symphony No. 11980s: Gérard Grisey - Les Espaces Acoustiques1990s: Brian Ferneyhough - Terrain2000s: Georges Aperghis - Avis de Tempête2010s: Andrew Norman - Play2020s: William Bland - Piano Sonata No. 17
>>129433030very dumb post
>>129433030>>129432998I appreciate it but I was asking for performances specifically
>>129433068Go to classicstoday.com and search for whatever piece you want to listen to.
>>129433079I know, I know, just curious if there's an essential top 10 or whatever everyone should try. Thanks for the help regardless.
>>129432821drone music
reposting this feminist recording>>Claire Huangci’s latest project took root five years ago, when she learned Clara Wieck’s Piano Concerto for the composer’s 200th birthday. Since then, her passion for female composers has expanded and here, she features Wieck alongside Florence Price, Fanney Hensel, and Amy Beach.>>This generous program presents four women with distinct voices, underscoring why their music’s wider recognition is long overdue. A wonderful effort from Huangci.https://theclassicreview.com/album-reviews/review-piano-heroines-claire-huangci/https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTkBbkYWuHY&list=OLAK5uy_mzHZvP_3zYBvql_1zKbc7P2O_gB-Eq3us&index=2https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P24sBu63csg&list=OLAK5uy_mzHZvP_3zYBvql_1zKbc7P2O_gB-Eq3us&index=12https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6v3B-MCaoe0&list=OLAK5uy_mzHZvP_3zYBvql_1zKbc7P2O_gB-Eq3us&index=19I still can't get over the fact the Florence Price piece is titled Fantasie Negre
>>129433181>reposting this feminist recordingThank, now I'll know not to listen to it.
Why is there good counterpoint in thishttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjZIjHu0OfY
>>129433283Because it was composed by someone who cared about his work.
got-DAMN how much can Tristan and Isolde sing about how awesome the night is since it enables them to meet up and express their love. I get this is what poetic proclamations are about, and their metaphors and clever phrasings are indeed endless, but c'mon now!
>>129433283Because it rips off a Bach piece for one.
>>129433283For me its Celadonhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMyDrhNf2t0
>>129433283All of the gameboy pokemon games were based on classical pieces, usually Mozart, and also Bach. I remember reading that the music system they had could only make 4 notes and one percussive noise at a time, which meant all you could do to make music interesting was make it melodically focused, which in turn meant they were forced to use classical music as inspiration.
Now I want to hear pokemon music played on harpsichord https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sk-bY2W8K_E
So if I compose/write a non-classical piece that's contrapuntal, it will be assumed that it's a Bach ripoff? That's so discouraging.
>>129433498Most of this general is norsebot tier where they don't know anything besides Bach, sometimes they know Handel though. Even classical era seems to be mostly ignored, I haven't even seen Clementi mentioned by anyone else in months. Checking the archives for his name confirms my thoughts to actually be true as well. Last time before me that wasn't a spam copy paste list or in passing mention as part of Beethoven was in November. "Oh how I love Bach so dearly!!!! Buxtehude? Ehrm.... is that a name of one of his compositions????"
>>129433498No.
>>129433528> I haven't even seen Clementi mentioned by anyone else in months.I like Clementi.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBR1T_eFQ-4
now playingstart of Josef Suk: Asrael Symphony, Op. 27https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CmCh7ouKgSE&list=OLAK5uy_niFshX4nJxOKonP25i_2jfjTCkyhNUwPI&index=1https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_niFshX4nJxOKonP25i_2jfjTCkyhNUwPI>"I was saved by music," wrote Czech composer Josef Suk about his `Asrael' Symphony, a work born out of tragedy and the loss of his teacher Antonín Dvorˇák in 1904. As a pupil and son-in-law of Dvorák, Suk's compositions reflect Dvorák's influence and contain many elements of Bohemian folk music. His greatest work remains a masterpiece of the late-Romantic repertoire which can easily be compared in scope and emotional range to Bruckner and Mahler. An expert in Czech music, Vladimir Ashkenazy conducts a masterful and intense performance of this deeply moving work, which has never before been released in super audio quality.Suk's symphonies are admittedly a bit sludgy, this one included, but goddamn if it doesn't sound glorious. Try that first movement and you'll be hooked.
>>129433551Clementi is really good, like really good. It should be standard repertoire for piano, way more deserving than most of what is, especially Mozart's sonatas. Its crazy that people will call me a "contrarian" for saying that and yet:>Beethoven had but little liking for Mozart's piano music, and the musical education of his beloved nephew was confined for many years almost exclusively to the playing of Clementi sonatas.I also like early Beethoven and recently heard someone saying "Took me a while to realize their [early sonatas] brilliance" which I really can't imagine since they are so immediately playful, but I guess I'll just thank the gods I wasn't born a romantic emo kid.Op.40 No 2 is probably my favorite which many would like, there is also his last sonata Op.50 No 3 that many of our emo kids might possibly find something to cling to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8RaGYZyiys&list=OLAK5uy_muo-7nfW-bsu4cQe7_qcZ3xQJA4DX8wH0&index=17
>>129432920This music has way too much movement and harmonic rhythm to be ambient-like.
>>129433763>It should be standard repertoire for pianoDon't worry, it is. In music school. For kids. Because it's infantile music.
>>129433791All classical music is infantile music, this genre is literally what moms use to make their babies sleep.That's why I listen to Kanye instead, I can't feel like an adult unless I hear racial slurs in my music.
>>129433764Berceuse has literally 2 chords, tonic and dominant alternating endlessly. But yeah, if you are looking for static, monotonic music you can just listen to minimalism and/or pop music. What's the point of listening to classical if all you want to hear is monotony?
>>129432825another idiot who doesn't belong
>>129433819>Berceuse has literally 2 chords, tonic and dominant alternating endlesslyThat's true, I was thinking more about Chopin's nocturnes and Faure. Berceuse is still a little too "busy" in the right hand to be ambient-like. But yeah, I agree with you.
>>129433498That pokemon song literally takes directly from Bcah though. If you go through all those video game songs from like zelda and final fantasy and that you will be shocked at how much of it is directly ripped off from some great composer
>>129433829Sorry guys, meant to reply to >>129433791
>>129433840Sorry guys, meant to reply to >>129433763
>>129433848Sorry guys, meant to reply to >>129432930
>>129433840>>129433848you teenagers are so fucking unfunny, Jesus Christ
>>129432821You might enjoy Vaughan Williams' Pastoral symphonyhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=heXIWG936NQas well as the Parsifal prelude, which is just as atmospheric as the Tristan onehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-_hMdEWkI8and then of course there's the 11th and 12th Shostakovich symphonieshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1w9_vDrWq58https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ci-DgD0lxRIand then of course, you might enjoy Morton Feldmanhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZZ0DYIkaP8https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M466YTlK8UMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46X7s2T93XYhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XIaNE31C-Jchttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kH2J7b9Iyb0Doesn't get more ambient than that! Feldman will be right up your alley, I promise.
thought I heard the Amazon deliverywoman whistling Morton Feldman but it turned out to be my neighbor's wind chimes
>>129433897>>129433897>deliverywomanDeliveryperson*
>>129433866>you teenagers are so fucking unfunny, Jesus Christ
thought I heard the birds singing to welcome spring but turned out my neighbor was just listening to Messiaen with the window open
Thought I heard my brother farting but it turned out to be Medtner playing in mental hospital nearby.
ESL^
Sociopath ^
Having long nails fucking sucks. Im never going to be a good classical guitarist because I keep getting annoyed and cutting them
>>129434023Guitarists are retarded. Learn violin/viola/cello/harp if you want a stringed instrument, or just be a man and learn some brass instruments.
>>129434023Ok but you look really cute and I bought you a dress to try on :)
>>129434023tryhttps://www.reddit.com/r/Guitar/https://www.reddit.com/r/guitarlessons/
>>129434023Don't fall for the nails meme, most of the great classical guitar composers like Sor insisted that you use flesh
They're still posting in the old thread
>>129434107shhhhh
>>129434076>don't fall for the nails meme, have no attack or projection like meWe prefer the sound of John Williams to whatever you are doing.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GY5y4Rp3tU8>>129434107I suggest not looking, Norsebot forced me to view some shitty fedora youtube slop I wish I had never known existed.
>>129434130>John Williamsfuck off with your le epic star wars composer.
>>129433866Sorry guys, meant to reply to >>129434140
I can sense it's been too long since you all last listened to Beethoven's masterpiece 9th Violin Sonatahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHt1s7wbbUc
Anonymity doesn't exist on small generals, and its influence as a whole is negative anyways, tripfagging era of 4chan was superior, anonymity is at an all time high on the site and yet it produces no new culture. Reputation is important and productive to conversation, knowing someone's reasons for believing or thinking something is much more valuable than knowing some invisible figure has a random opinion. For instance if I say some opera recording is shit, someone who likes opera knows to ignore me because I'm a rabid hater of the genre. The anonymous freak instead says you should take my opinion as seriously as anyone else's and pretend there is no history behind the post.
>>129432976is it your first time listening to it?
>>129434535I don't understand, why are you posting here then? The entire point of this website is anonymity, so the question is perfectly valid. I completely disagree with all the points you've just made, I don't think "reputation" is anything valuable. (>inb4 same retarded pretending to be someone else argument). Addressing points someone has made is much more important and productive in conversation, than attacking them for previously held beliefs. This resembles the woke identitity politics kind of thinking more than a reasonable stance. Surely, you can find a decent community on reddit, discord, telegram, talkclassical or somewhere else where everything is more transparent? I post on such platforms myself, because this place doesn't have musicslly literate posters. But I would much prefer to post only here due to anonymity.
>>129434887>The entire point of this website is anonymity,Incorrect. 4chan was originally name and trip dominated, and was so for most of its history. If you believe this is an "anime website" like you've said, then you also believe this is a trip website for namefags. The only reason for being on 4chan.org in the modern era is because you can ban evade with ease, thats literally it. If you have opinions or a personality that causes issues, you end up here since the rest of the internet is so heavily policed, this is the bad kid prison for retards who can't post good. If you want to say "I'm listening to Bach, Heil hitler", this is the only place you can do so, if someone posts some garbage and you want to unload a paragraph that is nothing but pure shitalking about them, this is the only place you can do so. If you are an undesirable piece of shit, you come to 4chan. Ask yourself: why would any decent person come here? Who would want to come to a site where anonymous cowards sit around calling each other faggots and to stick your head in a microwave because you liked one performance of a piece over another? There is nothing good about 4chan at all, the posters are abhorrent, and the minds of most of them are of the lowest quality imaginable, the only people with a brain wouldn't post here, and the people with brains that post here only do so because they get banned everywhere else. If they fixed ban evasion the entire population of the site would collapse in a month.
>>129435141So what you're saying is that you are currently ban evading. Got it.
is there anywhere I can watch this full performance for free?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=300t2DS3VdQ
I swear it's the same two guys that had an argument abut snsd debuting in the US and other retarded arguments that never go anywhereit's always the same style, always the same pattern, always goes on for whole threadswtf is wrong with you two
>>129422669>>129425137>>129425360Thank you for your suggestions! Listened to all of them, and agreed it's hard to pick one. Sibelius Violin Concerto is a challenging work.Barenboim/Batiashvili https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGZh_VivKa4&list=OLAK5uy_mxubUKNhiL0fMMrWh42wxPnGwboNoqp7w&index=4 - definitely liked this one the most.Hahn/Salonen https://open.spotify.com/album/0YjS1DLWV8VlmfmC4HhUrm - I was so preoccupied with Shoenberg Violin concerto I didn't really listen to Sibelius properly. K-God/Ferras https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCuWCbI7w9k - old recording but quite good. Obvious quality issues, although for 1964 recording it's pretty good.=Shaham/Sinopoli https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Nx2-BRIc20&list=OLAK5uy_lASg9-e4b_67aI3QQTSLSQ8gR0VbhCdBI&index=2 - Orchestra parts are good, but Sibelius sounds like a soloist show for me. Now that I think about it, are some lows missing? Recording is from 1993 so I'd thought it would be good, but somet frequencies are definitely missing. They got the third movement better than the first two.Mullova/Ozawa https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBbf9FBDsh8&list=OLAK5uy_lbxcOqqLd04ohwtCb13J4fyj9xi_6G2LE&index=4 - Ok, let's see. Looks like they are taking it slow.Oistrakh/Ormandy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-P183jzdfw - old but good.Jansen/Makela https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37IFxGT9F3Q&list=OLAK5uy_mjXvOT3vSHkgGEIogd_5dQ55QkbOJkdFY&index=2 - honestly pretty decent too.
>>129435518The GOAT James Ehnes also has one.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kjLAcTEzMs
>>129425110>>129435518>>129435533I'll give it a listen!
>>129435505Yes, his conversations notoriously go nowhere and never end.
>mfw I realize every time I namedropped Tristan und Isolde without pronouncing the "e" syllable at the end, I was saying it incorrectly>mfw I outed myself as a pleb every time I said itNOOOOOOOOOOOOO
now playingstart of Dvorak: Symphony No. 8 in G Major, Op. 88, B. 163https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrKj2txc54w&list=OLAK5uy_lRFdpvwkzLzf48j_PEVbzIUZtsh0Eb8OA&index=2start of Ravel: Ma mère l'Oye suite, M. 60 (Version for Orchestra)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNv3QA_dL54&list=OLAK5uy_lRFdpvwkzLzf48j_PEVbzIUZtsh0Eb8OA&index=5https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lRFdpvwkzLzf48j_PEVbzIUZtsh0Eb8OAI'll listen to any performance with Giulini at the helm. A poet-conductor with a unique vision for any piece he performers.
Schumannhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lzR6eLgudU&list=OLAK5uy_nVk-HOwYqgrnfTLOoeBLWK-88dn_4qgSw&index=1
>>129435141>most of its historyAnon 4chan is 23 years old. Trump was first elected 10 years ago. 4chan has NOT been trip dominated for most of its history anymore.
>>129437525I suppose so, I guess its now been a decaying zombie site with no culture longer than it had real life for. 15 years of frogs and jaks, 10 years of facebook miga boomers. What a pathetic shitheap. I've wished for a long time someone would put this rotten corpse out of its misery so we could get a new 8ch replacement, a new place where we could actually talk to mods again. But they keep this miserable wretched place going because goverments don't want to track and watch a bunch of alt chans, they want one specific site where they can continue to watch and manipulate the users.
Brahmshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5bNuLISI98&list=OLAK5uy_kc-O8h_Dn_V3ZpcLtBoVfU0cRToEAshK0
Ive been working on a sonata the past couple months, trying to get it perfect. Now I am going to try and record it but the problem is my piano isn't the greatest and I don't have the proper mics. What are my options here? Either pay for studio time which I dont really want to do or try to find a midi sound library or something
>>129437597Based schizo
best classical guitar cum posers?
