[a / b / c / d / e / f / g / gif / h / hr / k / m / o / p / r / s / t / u / v / vg / vm / vmg / vr / vrpg / vst / w / wg] [i / ic] [r9k / s4s / vip / qa] [cm / hm / lgbt / y] [3 / aco / adv / an / bant / biz / cgl / ck / co / diy / fa / fit / gd / hc / his / int / jp / lit / mlp / mu / n / news / out / po / pol / pw / qst / sci / soc / sp / tg / toy / trv / tv / vp / vt / wsg / wsr / x / xs] [Edit][Settings] [Search] [Mobile] [Home]
Board
Settings Mobile Home
4chan
/news/ - Current News


Thread archived.
You cannot reply anymore.


[Advertise on 4chan]


>inb4 define "woke"
Hating White males and thinking that men can become women. Pic-related is an example. She called herself "woke"

Trump to ink new executive orders today banning transgender service members, military DEI programs

https://nypost.com/2025/01/27/us-news/trump-to-ink-new-executive-orders-today-banning-trans-service-members-military-dei-programs/

There can be “no accommodation for anything less than resilience, strength, and the ability to withstand extraordinary physical demands,” it says.

“Individuals who are unable to meet these requirements are unable to serve in the military. This has been the case for decades,” the document says.

“It can take a minimum of 12 months for an individual to complete treatments after transition surgery, which often involves the use of heavy narcotics. During this period, they are not physically capable of meeting military readiness requirements and require ongoing medical care. This is not conducive for deployment or other readiness requirements.”

There are no current accounts of how many transgender service members are currently active duty or reserve, but estimates from 2014 suggested there are as many as 15,500.
>>
Trump had announced in tweets in 2017, during his first White House term, that the US would no longer “accept or allow” transgender people to be in the military. His administration then pursued the ban in 2018, but it was ended by the 2021 Biden executive order.

Trump’s latest EO on transgender people in the military also directs Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth to: ban the “use of invented and identification-based pronouns” in the armed forces; prohibit biological males and females from sleeping, changing and using bathing facilities intended for the opposite sex, and “update all Department of Defense medical standards to ensure they prioritize readiness and lethality.”

The document also criticizes former President Joe Biden for allowing the Department of Defense to embrace “gender insanity” and allow soldiers to serve while not being “physically or mentally prepared to” — while also paying for their gender-altering medical treatments.

A document on the second EO, addressing DEI in the armed forces, directs a ban on “discriminatory race- or sex-based preferences by any element of the Armed Forces, the Department of Defense, or the Department of Homeland Security.”

All instances of “discrimination” based on DEI practices will be subject to an internal review by Hegseth, the document reads, indicating that some “woke” generals that Trump has vowed to fire could be under question.

Current DEI practices are a “woke assault” on the military brought about by the Biden and Obama administrations and have led to low morale and the lowest recruiting numbers since 1940, the document argues.

The order will ban all bureaucratic bodies dedicated to DEI in the military — and will direct Hegseth and DHS Secretary Kristi Noem to review all academic curricula in US Service Academies to flush them of “radical DEI and gender ideologies.
>>
Today’s Order moves our military away from this dark period and renews esprit de corps, readiness, and focus. It returns the Pentagon to the warfighter,” the document regarding the DEI order says.

“This Order also combats ideologies that seek to divide our Armed Forces by race, sex or other immutable characteristics and thus tear at cohesion and military efficacy.”

Hegseth, who will be tasked with carrying out Trump’s orders in the DOD, passed his Senate nomination Friday with a vote of 51-50, inching through the tight party line margins with the help of Vice President JD Vance casting the tie-breaking vote.

His message to the force, published Saturday, vows to deter China’s aggression and end wars around the world “responsibly” while reorienting to key threats.

“All of this will be done with a focus on lethality, meritocracy, accountability, standards, and readiness,” Hegseth wrote in his statement, echoing similar rhetoric used by the White House.
President Donald Trump signs an executive order for pardons on January 6 offenders in the Oval Office of the WHite House in Washington, DC, on January 20, 2025.

Trump has already been using the US military to aid in carrying out mass illegal-migrant deportations and securing the southern border. He vowed in his inauguration speech that his highest responsibility as commander-in-chief is to “defend our country from threats and invasions.”

The 2024 GOP platform promised to ensure the US military is the “strongest” in the world, along with some other policy points that are now being implemented in these incoming Executive Orders.

Republicans will ensure our Military is the most modern, lethal and powerful Force in the World,” the platform read.

“We will invest in cutting-edge research and advanced technologies, including an Iron Dome Missile Defense Shield, support our Troops with higher pay, and get woke Left-wing Democrats fired as soon as possible.”
>>
>>1377761 (OP)
>Trump to ink new executive orders today banning transgender service members, military DEI programs
What I don't get, is people with psychological disorders are already barred from military service, why did Biden make an exception for troons with gender dysphoria?
>>
>>1377761 (OP)
MAGATs like this OP have to come here to spread their dribble, because every anon at pol knows the orange fool is now the swampiest zionyest politician in DC. A few show deportations and the uneducated approve the rich getting more of their hard earned $
>>
>>1377764
>Trump to ink new executive orders today banning transgender service members, military DEI programs
I had to have eggs for breakfast, but had to pay rent, $12 dozen eggs for me. I don't give a shit about your "troons". I don't have mommy & daddy to buy my eggs like you go.
>>
Cool, so with recruitment and reenlistment numbers dwindling, we decide that "trannies r gross!!!1! XD" and rule out an entire demographic...brilliant work from Dear Leader
>>
>>1377768
Shut up britfag this doesn't even concern you
>>
>>1377769
>reenlistment numbers dwindling
Maybe they'll go back up now that everyone knows the military isn't just trooncamp for government-funded sex changes.

And you silly faggots should be ashamed, but I know that's chemically impossible for you.
>>
>>1377772
Or they'll be like you and say "Glad to see our military returning to be PROPER" and then continue sitting on their fat ass being a keyboard warrior with no intention of enlisting. Because real soldiers would enlist regardless of how someone else identifies.
>>
>>1377772
No one cares about trannies in the military as much as people like you that are afraid to join.
>>
>>1377769
>Cool, so with recruitment and reenlistment numbers dwindling
Thanks to Biden and the unbelievable fuckup that was Afghanistan.
>we decide that "trannies r gross!!!1! XD" and rule out an entire demographic
That contributes fucking nothing to the military. Literally. We have to make accommodations for them. They are a drain on resources.
>>
>>1377794
>Afghanistan
trump's exit strategy, biden just made the call the execute. it was never going to be a clean exit and Afghanistan is never going to be a western style democracy because the people there don't care about that.
>accomodations
such as?
>>
>>1377773
>Because real soldiers would enlist regardless of how someone else identifies.
Real soldier here. OIF/OEF. Shut your fucking mouth faggot. You think I'm trusting some mentally-ill child fucker behind my back, you're out of your goddamn mind.
>>
>>1377795
>biden just made the call the execute
Oh boy another faggot who doesn't know jack shit about the Afgan evac. Riddle me this cocksucker: who gave the order to abandon Bagram AF?
>>
>>1377797
>Well we should've just stayed!
>>
>>1377796
You're fully expected to die to protect a trans US citizen, and if you were an actual soldier you'd know the identity of whoever has your back doesn't matter.
>>
>>1377800
Did I say that you dumb fuck? How about you answer my fucking question that I asked: WHO GAVE THE ORDER TO ABANDON BAGRAM?
>>
>>1377801
>You're fully expected to die to protect a trans US citizen
Hah!
>and if you were an actual soldier you'd know the identity of whoever has your back doesn't matter.
Spoken like an absolute retard who doesn't know shit about the military. Let me try this angle to see if this makes sense to you: would you trust a woman in combat to watch your back?
>>
>>1377803
>would you trust a woman in combat to watch your back?
Spoken like a true keyboard warrior.
>>
>>1377804
lol you can't answer the question.
>>
>>1377805
would trust any women who's an actual soldier far more than your fake ass in a combat situation.
>>
>>1377806
Oh you would? So you'd trust someone that has lower physical standards, lower qualification standards, preferential treatment, separate living quarters, and you have to walk on eggshells to avoid offending them or else risk an EO complaint?

I'd say that's a bold strategy but since you're a never-served faggot who gives a fuck what you think either way. Now take what I said above. That also applies to trannies like you, except with (somehow) more mental illness.
>>
>>1377807
>local keyboard soldier starts bitching over getting rejected by women
Ok retard.
>>
>>1377808
Notice how you still haven't answered my question about Bagram.
>>
>>1377802
>NOOOOOOO YOU CAN'T JUST DISMANTLE MY ENTIRE ARGUMENT! IM OUTRAGED!
>>
>>1377810
>implying
It's okay. I know you can't answer simple questions like that because it makes you look stupid. So I'll just tl;dr how Biden fucked everything up for the rest of the people here.

>Trump signs agreement to leave on Feb 29, 2020
>We have ZERO KIAs until Abbey Gate (thanks Biden)
>Agreement is to leave May 1st
>Biden says fuck the plan, we leave in Sept 11
>Withdraw plan Trump left called for using Bagram
>largest base, two runways, easily defendable
>The only base in THE WHOLE FUCKING COUNTRY that can land C-5 galaxies
>Biden says fuck that plan, draw troops down to 650 and protect the embassy
>not enough to cover everywhere
>Biden says fuck Bagram. Abandon it without telling anyone.
>neither our allies or the Afghan gov knew we left
>Bagram also has the Parwan Detention Facility with thousands of ISIS-K prisoners
>they get released when Taliban takes Bagram over
>as we evac, an ISIS-K member blows up 13 soldiers at Abbey Gate
>Guess where that bomber got released from
>dickless trans faggots on the left blame Trump for this

Had we followed the plan Trump left behind there would've been a bloodless, un-fucked-up withdraw. But leave it to democrats to fuck up a perfect plan given to them on a silver platter.
>>
>>1377812
Good post
>>
>>1377812
Confirmed you have no idea what you're talking about and just regurgitate maga slop. There was never going to be a clean withdrawal. The Afghan military was weak and corrupt and couldn't be trusted with information as sensitive as a withdrawal date/plan. Collaborating would've leaked intel to al-queda. Afghanistan was and still is a lost cause because not enough of them give a fuck about being a nation-state, nor are there enough people that are against al-queda rule. trump's execution would've ended the same if not worse. Saying it would be "bloodless" is pure retardation and wishful thinking. Someone had to do it, and biden was willing to take the blame (seeing as his approval was already in the shitter anyway)
>>
>>1377815
>Confirmed you have no idea what you're talking about and just regurgitate maga slop.
Okay tell me what part of what I said was incorrect faggot.
>There was never going to be a clean withdrawal.
Wrong. The plan Trump left would've given us exactly that. Had we pulled all of our people out of Kabul and moved them to Bagram we could've protected them until the end of time (ask me how I know) in a well defended position OUTSIDE of the fucking capital city.
>The Afghan military was weak and corrupt and couldn't be trusted with information as sensitive as a withdrawal date/plan.
Good thing Trump's plan didn't rely on them.
>Collaborating would've leaked intel to al-queda.
Speaking of someone who has no idea what they're talking about.
> trump's execution would've ended the same if not worse.
Pure fucking retardation. Biden's plan was such as colossal fuckup that we had to rely on the Taliban to provide crowd control. Our enemies for the last 20 years, we needed their HELP to leave. And you're telling me that holding up in Bagram and pulling everyone out in an orderly fashion would've been worse? Shut the fuck up.
>>
>>1377816
you never stop being a faggot do you
>>
>>1377817
>durr ur ghey
I accept your concession. Maybe next time do some research before opening your fucking mouth.
>>
>>1377819
you're gay too? that's cool faggot
>>
>>1377816
>The plan Trump left would've given us exactly that.
Apparently retards believe that releasing all Taliban fighters and giving them just enough time to prepare for an offensive before the withdrawal date Trump forced on Biden would be 'clean'

Trump set up Biden and America for failure, probably for some sort of bribe from the Taliban.
>>
>>1377827
>giving them just enough time to prepare for an offensive
You mean the 9 months that Biden delayed the date by?
Yeah biden's a retard
>>
>>1377827
>Apparently retards believe that releasing all Taliban fighters and giving them just enough time to prepare for an offensive before the withdrawal date Trump forced on Biden would be 'clean'
An offensive that never happened because the Taliban stopped fighting us after the deal was signed? Hence zero KIAs until Abbey Gate, from an ISIS member? You fucking subhuman.
>Trump set up Biden and America for failure
Yeah keep telling yourselves that. Anything to deflect away from the decisions made by Biden that got people killed.
>>
>>1377827
You'll never convince shills that Trump was responsible for that mess because that orange faggot released all the taliban fighters
>>
>>1377831
Who, again, didn't attack US troops. Are you illiterate as well as retarded?
>>
>>1377831
or admit responsibility for the entire war in the first place
>>
>>1377835
???
Trump was president in 2001? Holy shit democrats are amazing.
>>
>>1377836
which party did trump run under anon
>>
>>1377832
>Are you illiterate as well as retarded?
Answer the question, faggot.
You're the one firing off moronic takes
I guess the US just gifted the Taliban all the material that you faggots have been complaining about.
>>
>>1377837
When did he run?

>>1377838
>Answer the question, faggot.
What question, you stupid fucking nigger. You made a statement.
>You'll never convince shills that Trump was responsible for that mess because that orange faggot released all the taliban fighters
That's not a question retarded cocksucker.
>You're the one firing off moronic takes
You mean posting actual facts about the evacuation that nobody can refute. All they can do is chant ORANGEMANBAD! You can't even admit that Biden gave the order to abandon Bagram.
>>
>>1377839
Its like someones posting answers from a malfunctioning or badly used AI
Sweaty, this isn't going to get you your shillbux
>>
>>1377841
Like I said. You can't refute anything. All you can do is talk shit.

Biden is responsible for the fuck up leaving Afghanistan. Deal with it.
>>
>>1377841
Talking back to the shills won't get you anywhere
They'll just keep lying and claim that anything negative you say about their retarded jew loving faggot is TDS
>>
>>1377796
MOS, Basic and AIT station, first Duty station and date joined or STFU and GTFU with this LARP
>>
>>1377842
This is what the woke right actually believes.
>>
>>1377883
Because it's true, backed up by facts that you can't dispute.
>Biden ordered troop numbers down to 650 before we even started evac
>Biden ordered Bagram to be abandoned
>Biden chose to evac out of Karzai international airport, which is inside the largest city in the country
>Biden chose this based of where the embassy was located and not which location was more defensible
>the original plan Trump left was to evac out of Bagram
>Bagram was the larger airport, easier to defend, with military facilities to help with the evac, two runways, and wasn't inside a fucking city
>we had zero KIAs after Trump signed the deal to leave until the evac next year
>the suicide bomber that killed 13 soldiers was let out of the Parwan det. facility after Bagram was abandoned
Go ahead and refute any of these facts. You can't. All you can do is meme your way through this thread.
>>
>>1377761 (OP)
>thinking that men can become women
they can, and women can become men. Gender and sex are two different things, to deny this is to deny reality. You can't change sex, but you can change gender. I can prove to you that gender dysphoria is real if you don't believe me(I'll show you how you can experience it for yourself).
>>
>>1377892
We literally could not have kept Bagram without investing more troops than we were taking back. The original plan Trump made was shit, he effectively gave Afghanistan back to the Taliban by leaving the Afghan government completely out of negotiations, and we released hundreds of taliban prisoners way too early. Cope.
>>
>>1377894
>they can, and women can become men.
Wrong.
>>
>>1377896
All it takes to be a woman is to be an adult human that identifies as a female, and all it takes to be a man is to be an adult human that identifies as male. To deny this is to deny reality.
If you disagree, and claim that it takes more to be a man/woman then that, then I've got really bad news for you anon... You will never be a man, definitely male, but never a real man.
>>
>>1377895
>We literally could not have kept Bagram without investing more troops than we were taking back.
And once again that's wrong you fucking retard. At the start of Biden's term there were at least 2,500 troops in the country and according to General McKinzie that was enough to run Bagram, Kabul and other facilities in the country. It wasn't until they were told to downsize to 650 and focus on security for the embassy that they had to abandon Bagram. This is from the House Armed Service Commitee hearing on the evacuation. Maybe you should FUCKING READ IT before you waste my fucking time.
>The original plan Trump made was shit,
Evac from Bagram > shit > evac from Kabul.
>he effectively gave Afghanistan back to the Taliban by leaving the Afghan government completely out of negotiations,
Who wanted us out of the country even as they depended on us for safety. Ghani himself said that 'afghans can fight for Afghanistan'. Whether that was true or not (it wasn't) is immaterial to the fucking argument that has nothing to do with the evacuation because...
>and we released hundreds of taliban prisoners way too early.
The Taliban stopped fighting us after the agreement was signed, so you faggots constantly bringing up the Taliban being released over and over again does not matter at all. I don't know how many fucking times I need to repeat myself to a website full of low IQ subhuman failures, but the 13 troops that died at Abbey Gate were taken out by an ISIS suicide bomber - along with dozens of Afghans and some Taliban who were helping US troops control the crowd - that was let out by Biden when he ordered us to give up Bagram.

Cope. Seethe. Dial8.
>>
>>1377898
>All it takes to be a woman is to be an adult human that identifies as a female
Wrong. No amount of imagination is going to give a tranny the ability to give birth.
>If you disagree, and claim that it takes more to be a man/woman then that, then I've got really bad news for you anon... You will never be a man
>durr if you don't agree with me then you're not a man durr
Great argument faggot.
>>
>>1377899
you sure love bringing up trannies for no reason. and being wrong
>>
>>1377899
If we're evacing at all there will come a time when we only have 650. Literally all that would've needed to happen was wait until enough were evaced from Bagram that we couldn't defend it, then massacre everyone left.

Taliban respecting the ceasefire meant nothing when all they had to do was wait, knowing they now had the public support and numbers to take what they did.

Trump's plan set us up for failure. Biden's options were to either keep us in Afghanistan or do a botched evac. From where he came in, there was no way to do this right.
>>
>>1377900
>No amount of imagination is goign to give a tranny the ability to give birth.
You idiot, you're confusing gender with sex again. Gender is related to that which is masculine and feminine, not biology. Nobody claimed that transgender people are changing their biological sex. The only effective treatment for gender dysphoria is to give people the liberty to be themselves, why is that bad exactly? It appears that you might actually be afraid that you will be sexually attracted to a male woman. You have sexual insecurities that manifest as transphobic politics, it's normal, a gay nazi I know goes through the same thing.
>>
>>1377900
>thinks you will never be a man is an awful response to "you will never be a woman", just because
>"Great argument faggot"
Stop projecting your own insecurities onto me. Faggot = fascist; fasci = fag, fagism = fascism.
>>
>>1377902
>If we're evacing at all there will come a time when we only have 650.
And if we were following Trump's plan - and basic fucking common sense - we would reach that 650 number AFTER evacuating all US civilians and any Afghans we vetted and cleared to leave.

Instead we evac'd the troops before all US personnel were gone and had to depend on the mercy of the Taliban to not turn it into a fucking bloodbath. This is how badly democrats fuck things up!

>Literally all that would've needed to happen was wait until enough were evaced from Bagram that we couldn't defend it, then massacre everyone left.
And again you're a fucking retard (I swear to god I have to say this every post because you keep saying stupid shit). The best time to massacre US was when we were in Kabul. But guess what? Instead of massacring everybody, the fucking Taliban were HELPING us leave.

How many fucking times do I have to say this?

>Taliban respecting the ceasefire meant nothing when all they had to do was wait, knowing they now had the public support and numbers to take what they did.
So why didn't the Taliban kill any US troops? Hmmm? Why were they helping us leave? Why was it that they were among our soldiers blown the fuck up by an ISIS bomber that Biden let out of prison?

>Trump's plan set us up for failure.
Yeah you keep fucking saying that no matter how many times it gets debunked.

>Biden's options were to either keep us in Afghanistan or do a botched evac.
OR - and this is going to sound crazy - he could have used Trump's plan to evac out of Bagram.

This is how fucking stupid democrats are - and why they need to be shot in the face.
Option A: evacuate out of a heavily defended military base.
or
Option B: evacuate out of the largest city in the entire fucking country from a civilian airport.

Gee I wonder which one makes the most logical fucking sense. (it really amazes me how stupid people on 4chan are. Just when I think faggots like you can't say anything dumber...)
>>
>>1377906
nobody would try this hard to lie unless they were paid
>>
>>1377903
>You idiot, you're confusing gender with sex again.
Because they're the same thing. I don't give a fuck what your gender studies class taught you. Trans people do not exist. There is no such thing as a trans woman, only a faggot in a dress wearing a wig.
>>
>>1377908
Debunk it then.
>>
>>1377909
you're obsessed
>>
>>1377910
it's been debunked over and over, you just ignore it and repeat the same propaganda, because that's your job
>>
>>1377912
Show me where it got debunked.
>>
>>1377913
go get an eyeglass prescription
>>
>>1377909
they aren't the same thing. You have a biological mechanism in your brain that determines your gender identity, which itself determines your gender expression. In transpeople, this biological mechanism is oppositely sexed, therefore their gender identity and gender expression is different from their assigned sex. In other words, transgender people suffer from a congential condition, and you are preventing them from seeking the right to timely medical treatment, which happens to be simply giving them the same liberty to express their gender identity that you are afforded.

I can prove to you that gender dysphoria is real. Go put on a dress, wear a wig, and put on makeup. Then, after you do all that, tell me how manly/masculine you feel. Do you feel like you are not expressing your gender adequately? Imagine you were legislated to dress that way 100% of the time, and mobs form around you for assuming you to be a pedophile.
>>
Based. We need to exempt wokies from the draft. Only real Americans should be allowed the honor of dying for this country.
>>
>>1377916
I love when wokies type out all of these words just to admit that you have absolutely zero fucking clue about your own issues
>Go put on a dress, wear a wig, and put on makeup. Then, after you do all that, tell me how manly/masculine you feel. Do you feel like you are not expressing your gender adequately? Imagine you were legislated to dress that way 100% of the time
are people making it illegal for men to wear dresses or makeup? No. You're a fucking child who's not even capable of thinking enough to understand the issue.
A man in a dress is a man in a dress, not a woman. And no amount of cope will change this BIOLOGICAL fact. Because biology, not the clothes you wear, determine whether you are a man or woman.
>manly masculine
completely irrelevant. You're the ones saying that it's impossible for a man to be feminine or for a woman to be masculine. You're the ones saying that a feminine man must somehow be BIOLOGICALLY a woman (since again, your BIOLOGY is the only thing that determines whether you are a man or a woman).
>>
>>1377919
>misses the point entirely
>>
>>1377922
Why would a paid shill argue in anything but the worst of faith
>>
>>1377919
>wah wah you're the ones
>you're the ones
>wokies
are you really upset at everyone who understand the scientific process? I saw the science, I don't deny it. Transgender people are real. It's completely obvious to me, I had a paradigm shift, whereas you are unable to attain a paradigm shift. There is a sticking point. Man is a gender, not a sex. Unless you are saying that a 5 month old male is a "man"?
>>
>>1377923
>ad hominem attacks
>strawman attacks
>thinks he's the most logical one in this discussion
You are a real treasure, kiddo. Keep trying, you'll get it eventually!
>>
>>1377926
Aww, you poor victim
>>
>>1377928
>implying pointing out logical fallacies is the same as identifying as a victim
I take it back kiddo, don't keep trying, you're just floundering pathetically. You might as well just give up and accept that you're retarded. You'll never be able to understand, no matter how hard you try.
>>
>>1377922
>>1377923
>>1377925
>>1377916
I can prove to you that transracialism is real. Go put on blackface. Then, tell me how white you feel. Imagine there were laws FORCING you to wear blackface, just like how we apparently currently have laws against men wearing dresses (could one of you cite these laws btw?).
There, I just proved that transracials like Rachel Dolezal and Elizabeth Warren are valid.

Now I can also prove to you that transpecies are real. Go put on a pair of bunny ears and some rabbit facepaint. Then, after you do all that, tell me how human you feel. Imagine that you were FORCED to do that because this debate is definitely about banning men from wearing dresses and not merely acknowledging the biological fact that a man in a dress is still a man, just like how a human with bunny ears and rabbit facepaint is still a human.
>>
>>1377935
adorable ad hom
>>
>>1377935
>how we apparently currently have laws against men wearing dresses
No we dont
>>
>>1377935
>Imagine that you were FORCED to do that because this debate is definitely about banning men from wearing dresses and not merely acknowledging the biological fact that a man in a dress is still a man, just like how a human with bunny ears and rabbit facepaint is still a human
Oh I should have read your whole post before replying.

You're right
>>
>>1377935
That's body dysmorphia. What I was talking about was gender dysmorphia, which is related to a physical mechanism in the brain responsible for gender identity. As far as I know, there is no physical counterpart in the brain for racial identity, as there is for gender identity. Do you have any other bad arguments, or are you done?
>>
>>1377942
being a man or woman is entirely unrelated to how you "feel" or what your "gender identity" is. They are purely biological terms.

Do you have any more NPC nonsense that you were told to believe because you aren't mentally mature enough to form your own thoughts?
>>
>>1377945
man and woman aren't biological terms. You're confusing man and woman with male and female, you ignorant fuck. That's what I keep trying to tell you, but you arbitrarily think two different words are synonymous.
>>
>>1377947
>rooster and hen aren't biological terms. You're confusing rooster and hen with male and female you ignorant fuck
>cow and bull aren't biological terms. You're confusing cow and bull with male and female you ignorant fuck.
Kek, imagine saying something this stupid and then having the nerve to call somebody else an "ignorant fuck."

also no, I don't think woman and female are synonymous. A girl is female, but is not a woman, because a woman is an *adult* human female (just like how a hen is an adult female chicken).

You, on the other hand, are confusing "woman" with "feminine". A transwoman is a feminine man, not a woman. Femininity is a social construct. Being an adult human female is not. That's what the adults keep telling you, but you're a completely brainwashed NPC belonging to a generation of brainwashed NPCs too young/ignorant to realize that wokeists just redefined these words for political reasons a few years ago and gaslighted everybody about it.
>>
>>1377945
Accurate.
>>1377947
Leftshit pedantism. Typical.
Interesting tho, I went to Cambridge dictionary and looked up "man". It defines it as a synonym for "male" and uses both male and man as a gender identity term, making me 1) wonder what term should be used for sex if not man or male, and 2) makes me glad af trump signed an EO clearly delimiting this leftist insanity of definition convolution
>>
>>1377976
>makes me glad af trump signed an EO clearly delimiting this leftist insanity of definition convolution
Trump's EO made you a woman lmao. Only sex traits we have at conception are female.
>>
>>1377973
The terms rooster and hen are social terms though. That's what we use to refer to male and female chickens. There's no biological imperative towards doing so, and hell you can't even tell before they reach maturity at a glance.

All pronouns and gendered terms are ultimately biologically linked to nothing, and we as a species have evolved to the point we can modify our bodies however we want.
>>
>>1377761 (OP)
I'm so glad trump is winning
>>
>>1377978
No, you are just batshit crazy and I do not care what your inane contrarian take is on the matter.
>>
>>1377986
is this culture war getting boring yet? i guess not since you get paid to perpetuate it huh
>>
>>1377987
Idk dude, Democrats have been talking about it non-stop for like 4 years now, I'm pretty sure it's over
>>
>>1377987
>culture war
There is no culture war. It's over, you lost. You are like those Japanese soldiers on isolated Islands in the Pacific still fighting world war II
>>
>>1377990
>Trump made a retarded EO, that means trans people are no more!
Lmao.
>>
>>1377980
>ummm actually, language is a social construct :D :D :D
okay great, in that case the phrase "social construct" is a social construct so fuck off and kys you delusional tranny. Imagine thinking you're smart for pointing out that humans invented words.
>we as a species have evolved to the point we can modify our bodies however we want
HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA
HOLY SHIT you can't actually be serious right? You actually unironically think that a man can get some surgery and he becomes completely indistinguishable from a real woman? That he can get pregnant and give birth the same as a real woman?
And what about without surgery? Or are you saying that a transwoman can only be a real woman if HE has extensive surgeries and hormone treatment?
>>1377985
Same, I voted for Trump for the border but making trannies seethe as they're confronted with their biology is icing on the cake.
>>1377987
>is this culture war that is perpetuated by leftists boring yet?
no, it's actually pretty amusing how you started a culture war and then keep getting BTFO in the war that you started.
>>1377994
>trans people
if by "trans people" you mean "mentally ill men who think they are women when they obviously are not" those people exist.
If by "trans people" you mean "men who magically become women by putting on a dress" then those never existed.
>>
>>1378004
I like how in your mind a woman becomes something else the moment she becomes infertile.
>>
>>1377761 (OP)
>Trump fights wokeness
He's putting the troops to sleep? Or is he making them ignorant to the world around them? Those are the only two things this sentence could mean.
>>
>>1378005
I like how in your mind you make up a strawman. An infertile woman is an infertile woman: A human who would be able to get pregnant if not for age or disability.
As opposed to you believing that a man in a dress is somehow a man because you're too stupid to understand the difference between "feminine" (a social construct) and "woman" (a biological term)

FYI, an infertile hen is still a hen.

>>1378008
Sorry NPC but 'woke' is defined at the very top of the post. If only your generation knew how to read. Maybe if Trump actually bans TikTok for good you Zoomers will finally learn how to read.
>>
>>1378013
Only way to check is to check someone's privates. Men can have long hair, lithe frames, breasts, etc.

I don't go around demanding people give proof they can at some point be pregnant. Do you?
>>
>>1377976
>leftist pedantism
>implying I'm leftist
>"everyone is leftist but me"
lol, that's stupidest thing I've ever heard. My entire political philosophy shifts to the extreme left because I don't deny the science related to transgender people like you do? LMAO
>>
>>1378015
They probably do. All they talk about are Tranny's, so there's definitely some sort of obsession.

I can imagine them entering a room full of dumpy aunts and seething over whether any of them have dicks
>>
>>1377973
>implying rooster, hen, cow, and bull are biological terms, rather than just common names for layman
Yes, you are an ignorant fuck, you still don't understand what is and what isn't a biological term.
>"I don't think woman and female aren synonymous."
>"b-but sex and gender is still the same thing!!1"
Girl and woman are gender identities. Due to being related to maturity, there is a difference between a girl and a woman in terms of gender expression. Same with boy and man. This conversation tells me you're a boy, not a man. Men express their gender identity differently than you do, they are much more mature. They can handle people being different without throwing childish temper tantrums. You might identify as a man, but that doesn't matter, because your gender expression is off. You don't pass as a man. You will never be a real man.
>woman is an *adult* human female
this is a really bad definition because it excludes millions-billions of women who are intersex, including women who have XY chromosomes with an unactivated Y chromosome.
>A perfect definition that actually includes all women:
>an adult human that identifies as female.
Also no, I'm not confusing the feminine with woman. Feminine is an adjective, as is trans; when we say transwoman(as you have been doing) you're admitting that they are women, and you are using the noun woman. You could continue to say "feminine men" if you believe that they are men, but you continue to call them women, trans women. You must believe they are women, if you continue to use that noun in reference to them. On some level you do recognize their gender, you just get confused with the pain of cognitive dissonance when you reject the true idea that sex and gender are distinct concepts.
>>
>>1378015
There's a difference between somebody with B+ and A- blood type.
>Oh yeah? Well I don't go around demanding people give me a bloodtest. Therefore B+ and A- are exactly the same!!!!
this is the mind of an NPC. Truly a fascinating thing to observe.
>>1378019
>Leftists: Spend years ranting about how if a man puts on a dress they become a woman
>Rightists: lol you're fucking stupid
>Leftists: REEEEE why are you so obsessed with how stupid we are???
>>1378018
>My entire political philosophy shifts to the extreme left because I deny the science related to men and women?
yes.
>b-b-but the science says that a man in a dress is a woman!
show me. Show me the scientific evidence that when a man puts on a dress his Y-Chromosome becomes an X-Chromosome, his penis becomes a vagina, his genitals become ovaries. Show me that evidence.
>b-b-but muh biology vs social construct
Femininity is a social construct. "Woman" is a biological term (like "hen" or "cow") that has nothing to do with society or identity. You would know this if you weren't a child.
>>
>>1378021
>Girl and woman are gender identities
they literally aren't though. A girl is a female human child. A woman is a female human adult. Both terms are purely biological.
>LOL look at me I'm shitposting because I'm a Zoomer and shitposting is the only form of debate I know XD
>I just did an EPIC CLAPBACK so that means I win XD XD XD
you're a child who has never actually had an independent thought in your life. You don't know how to think. You only know how to repeat what you are told. And you don't believe that history exists. If you did you could dig into history and see that for thousands of years men and women were biological terms. But you can't do that because you're a child and an NPC
>>
>>1378024
>If you did you could dig into history and see that for thousands of years men and women were biological terms
>he doesn't know how many cultures had third genders like two-spirits.
>>
>>1378022
>yes.
you obviously have no idea what constitutes left v.s. right. You're very clearly a collectivist, and don't think in terms of individualism, which would put you far to the left of me.
>man in dress strawman argument
nobody is making the claim that there is a magical dress that modifies chromosomes. The claim is that there is a difference between sex and gender.
Here's a summary of our conversation:
>Anon A: I think black(sex) and white(gender) are two different things.
>Anon B: No, they are the same thing.
>Anon A: They are clearly different, and you can use logic to arrive at the same conclusion.
>Anon B: I refuse to do so, because I don't believe black(sex) and white(gender) are two different things.
>Anon A: Why would you believe that when there is data/information that proves that you are incorrect?
>Anon B: I don't believe that data/information, or trust those who performed the tests.
>Anon A: How can you ever arrive at the truth if you are unwilling to use logic and reject evidence?
>Anon B: How can you ever arrive at the truth when you believe black(sex) and white(gender) are two different things?
>Anon A: ...Why are you so retarded?
Femininity, as we think of it, is an abstraction that is connected to the female sex's gender expression. The way that femininity manifests is relative to the culture, but it's still related to biological differences between males and females. Therefore, a more feminine male, has a more female-like brain. This is proven by looking at the sexed cells in trans' brains; trans women have female levels despite being male, and trans men have male levels despite being female. This is the science you are denying. You have no argument against reality.
I already know how you will respond. Go ahead. I'll watch you do your olympic level mental gymnastics routine.
>>
>>1378025
>two-spirits
Not a biological term, as you pointed out
No idea why you keep conflating gender terms with biological terms
>>
>>1378024
>thinks I'm a zoomer
>thinks logic and reason is "shitposting"
>thinks I'm repeating what I've been told, rather than coming to my own conclusions after extensive reflection
You really need to stop projecting, I'm learning so much about you and your flaws/weaknesses.
>Both terms are purely biological.
Only insofar in that they refer to specific biological entities called humans. Your definition sucks, mine is better. A girl is a human child that identifies as female, and a woman is a human adult that identifies as female.
If you think it's flawed, tell me why. It solves Matt Walsh's conundrum regarding circular definitions, and it also is inclusive. It's the perfect definition, faggot. That's why you hate it, because you can't repeat everything you heard in the documentary "What is a Woman". Your cognitive dissonance has been flaring up ever since this conversation started. I know, because I used to be in your position, so I can see the full terrain from there, all the way to here, where I am standing.
>>
>>1378028
>thinks twospirit can't be an expression of the biological reality that is intersex
>>
>>1378024
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex%E2%80%93gender_distinction
>>
>>1378026
>>1378025
>>1378029
cool so can you provide me your evidence that a feminine man is biologically identical to a feminine woman? Since that is actually what you are claiming because "man" and 'woman" have historically been BIOLOGICAL terms.
When women couldn't vote, it was based on biology. When men were forced to be drafted, it was because of biology. When inheritance went to first-born sons, it was determined by biology. When there were laws requiring men to provide for their wives, it was based on biology. When pregnancy was covered by "women's health" it was because of biology.
So since it is undeniable that "man" and "woman" have always been BIOLOGICAL terms, please show me your evidence that a feminine man is BIOLOGICALLY the same as a feminine woman. And show the proof that a tomboy is BIOLOGICALLY the same as a masculine man. Otherwise fuck off and stop gaslighting.
>>
>>1378043
This is peak retard gibberish
Stay away from doctors (wo)man. They'll put you on lists.
>>
>>1378043
>doesn't know that his micropenis is an elongated clitoris
>doesn't know his prostate is the same as the gspot
>doesn't know the seam on his scrotum is where his vagina fused together during his fetal stage
>doesn't know gender is due to the brain being sexed as well
>doesn't know transpeople are intersex people, but the congenital development was in the brain, not genitals
Literally the only difference between male and female is the activation of the Y chromosome.
When you go to the bathroom, and see a big buff bro, do you ask to see if he can produce semen for you, before you let him in? Or do you instantly recognize this transman, as a man? You really think we should send this big buff transgender man into the bathroom with your little cisgender daughter/niece? Should we send the sexy little transgender women into the bathroom with your cisgender son/nephew?
In addition to this, intersex people are any people who have development that was inappropriately sexed, including the brain. So, intersex/trans bodies and minds are literally sexed in a fashion that inherently makes no sense to you.
>>
>>1377764
Republicans are huge consumers of tranny porn and gay hookup apps
>>
>>1377796
>REal SOLDiEr hERe. OiF/oeF. sHut YOuR fuCking MOUtH FaggOT. you Think i'm TRuSTInG SoME MeNtALlY-ill ChilD FuCKeR BEHinD my BACK, you're ouT of yoUR GODdaMn mINd.
>what thE FUCk Did YOu JusT FUcKINg SAY AbouT Me, You lItTLE bitch? I'Ll haVe YOU knoW i gRADUAted TOP OF MY cLaSS iN the nAvY SEaLS, aND I'vE bEEN InvolvED In nUMeROUS SeCREt RAids oN AL-qUAEDA, And i HAVE oVeR 300 CONfIrmeD KIlls. i aM tRAiNeD in GoRilla WarFAre AND i'M The tOp snIper In THe EnTiRe Us aRmeD FoRcEs. YOU aRe NoThInG to me BUt jUst ANoTHEr TArGet. i wIlL wiPe YoU THe fuck oUt With PreCISIon THE LiKEs oF WHIcH HAS NEver beEn sEEn BEFORE oN tHIs eartH, maRk my fuCKinG WORDs. YOu THINK You caN GEt awAy WiTH saYInG thaT ShIt TO me OVer THe intErNet? ThiNk AgAiN, FuCKeR. AS WE sPeaK i Am CoNTActiNg My sEcret NEtWoRk of SpIes AcRoSs thE Usa aND yOur Ip Is BEInG TRaCEd RiGht NOw so YoU beTTEr PRePARE foR THE StorM, magGOT. THE stOrM ThAt wIpes Out THe PaThEtIc litTlE thing YoU call yOUR LIFe. you'RE FuckiNG DEad, KiD. I caN be aNywHErE, anYtIMe, aNd I can kILL yOu In oveR SEVEn hundRED WAYs, ANd ThAt'S just WiTh mY bare HaNDs. nOT ONLY Am i EXTeNSiVeLY TrAiNed In UNaRMED COmBaT, BUt i hAvE ACCesS To THe eNTiRe arseNaL of THE uNiTeD statES MarIne COrPS And i WILl uSe iT to iTs fuLL extENT To wipE yoUr misERABLe asS ofF tHe faCE OF ThE COnTinENt, YOu LittlE shIt. If onLY you cOULD HavE kNoWn wHAT UNHOlY rETriBuTion yOuR lIttLE "CLEveR" comMenT wAs About TO BrING DoWn upOn you, mAybE yOu woulD hAvE HeLD yoUr fUckIng TongUe. but you CoULdn't, You dIDN'T, anD now You're PAyInG THE pricE, YOU goddamN iDIOT. i WiLl sHiT FUrY alL oVer YoU and You wilL DrOWN in It. yOu'Re fUcKinG dEaD, KiDdo.
I swear to God the biggest faggots are NOT the troons but the military



[Advertise on 4chan]

Delete Post: [File Only] Style:
[a / b / c / d / e / f / g / gif / h / hr / k / m / o / p / r / s / t / u / v / vg / vm / vmg / vr / vrpg / vst / w / wg] [i / ic] [r9k / s4s / vip / qa] [cm / hm / lgbt / y] [3 / aco / adv / an / bant / biz / cgl / ck / co / diy / fa / fit / gd / hc / his / int / jp / lit / mlp / mu / n / news / out / po / pol / pw / qst / sci / soc / sp / tg / toy / trv / tv / vp / vt / wsg / wsr / x / xs] [Edit][Settings] [Search] [Mobile] [Home]
[Disable Mobile View / Use Desktop Site]

[Enable Mobile View / Use Mobile Site]

All trademarks and copyrights on this page are owned by their respective parties. Images uploaded are the responsibility of the Poster. Comments are owned by the Poster.