None of the women has a criminal record, according to a USA TODAY review of national law enforcement records. All were in an ongoing legal immigration process and felt comfortable enough boarding a domestic flight. Immigration agents swept each of them up at airport checkpoints in mid-February, in Puerto Rico and the U.S. Virgin Islands.

Neither ICE nor its parent agency, the Department of Homeland Security, responded to multiple requests for comment.

Nora Ahmed, legal director of the ACLU of Louisiana, said immigrants in legal limbo of any kind should take precautions if they plan to travel.

"The unfortunate answer is they have to be worried," she said. "If you are not a citizen of the United States, and you are going through an immigration process, your first thought needs to be: How can this process be weaponized against me?"

Trump: married an illegal alien
Vance: married an illegal alien

funny how the laws don't apply to them.

>>1392669
Who cares.
>It only matters when it impacts me!
Get cancer.

>>1392669
>"Are you an American citizen?" asked the agent. She answered no
Well there you go.

>>1392676
She was engaged to a citizen and was waiting her chance to take the citizenship test.

But hey, really deporting those criminals. We gotta be careful, if we didn't deport her she might've contributed to a local bake sale. Glad she's off the streets.

>>1392678
Was she here illegally? Yes or no.

>>1392680
She overstayed her visa but is married to a US citizen, which is a bit of a legal grey area because doing the former would get waved off by doing the latter.

But hey I'm just questioning why we're apparently overrun with gang members and ICE decides the greater priority is the new stepmother to a 12 year old.

>>1392681
So yes, right? Say yes. Stop trying to be a slimy faggot and answer the fucking question nigger.

>>1392681
People like her who were complying in some way with the immigration system are easy targets.

>>1392683
Looking it up... and yeah. She was.
>https://www.uscis.gov/green-card/green-card-processes-and-procedures/adjustment-of-status
If you're married to a US citizen you can stay here even if you overstayed your visa because you're valid for a green card.

>>1392685
If you file a petition for a green card. Did she?

Which goes right back to the first fucking question I asked you: Was she here illegally? Yes or no.

>>1392687
Considering she came in via visa, yeah she got here legally. And considering the article literally says in the fourth line they took the steps to get citizenship, yes to the first question too.

>>1392687
>Did she?
She did.
>Bartell and Muñoz wore their wedding rings for the flight home, secure in the knowledge that the U.S. government knew they had applied for her green card.

>>1392687
>>If you file a petition for a green card. Did she?
>Bartell and Muñoz wore their wedding rings for the flight home, secure in the knowledge that the U.S. government knew they had applied for her green card.
Read the fucking article dipshit.

>>1392688
>Considering she came in via visa, yeah she got here legally.
And then it fucking expired, and she didn't do shit. Which means she's here illegally. Furthermore, from what I'm looking up
>In general, you may not file your Form I-485 until a visa is available in your category.
So since she didn't have a valid visa, she couldn't apply for the fucking green card and was here ILLEGALLY.

>And considering the article literally says in the fourth line they took the steps to get citizenship
I don't know how the hell they were taking correct steps when they can't apply for a green card without a valid, non-expired, visa. Which also means she started accruing unlawful presence days - and if she hits the 180 day mark of unlawful presence she could be barred from entering the country for at least three years.

>>1392685
>If you're married to a US citizen you can stay here even if you overstayed your visa because you're valid for a green card
That's not what that says though. It says "you may get a Green Card without having to return to your home country to complete visa processing". Nothing about overstaying a visa

>>1392690
How about you read the US Citizenship and Immigration Services you provided and explain to me how you can apply for a green card when you don't have a valid visa and are inside the country illegally. Dipshit.

>>1392691
>>1392692
>>1392693
>https://www.immigrationhelp.org/learning-center/adjustment-of-status-for-a-green-card-after-a-visa-overstay
Maybe actually check the law first before commenting on how we absolutely needed to deport this lady who has committed 0 crimes as soon as possible.

>>1392694
>Maybe actually check the law first
Retard, I read what you just posted from a .gov site and you were either inadvertently wrong or lying, what you cited does not say that you can overstay a visa.
"Immigrationhelp.org" is not law.

Get a real resource, either law or a .gov explainer, that actually says you can overstay a visa, or shut up

>>1392694
First off before I even read this, a fucking dot org site? What was wrong with the actual dot gov site we had a few minutes ago?

Second,
>Typically, you can’t apply for a green card from the United States if you don’t have valid (unexpired) immigration status.
Well would you look at that.

Third, this dot org website claims a married spouse can apply for a green card even if the visa expired, but following that link only provides information for people with non-expired visas. Not that it matters anyways because I can't find fucking shit anywhere on the legit dot org site that says this. Could you point it out for me - on the dot gov site, not your shitty save the brown people blog.

>>1392694
Lol even your own source says it's not valid a good idea to overstay a visa. Fucking retard, can you even read? It says you need a waiver to be approved
>If you apply for a green card after a visa overstay, a re-entry bar will significantly lengthen your application process or prevent you from applying altogether. You may be able to apply for a waiver that legally forgives your overstay so you can apply for a green card.

>>1392697
>on the legit dot org
Meant to say legit dot gov.

>>1392696
>>1392697
>>1392698
>Nooo, you can't take legal advice! show me the .gov site!
You retards are so eager to ruin this guy and his wife's life because they maybe forgot a single forum, when in reality if this goes to court she'll get a green card exception in a heartbeat on account of having gotten here on a legal visa, committed 0 crimes, and has a US citizen spouse. You know, exactly what that fucking link says.

Maybe actually focus on those criminals you keep raving about instead of someone who would've been a full citizen within a year.

>>1392700
>You retards are so eager to ruin this guy and his wife's life
No you fucking retard. I'm just telling you that you are lying and your sources don't say what you claim that they say. It fucking sucks what's happening to them, but you lying or misrepresenting facts is not going to change that.
Honestly she should not have overstayed her visa, that doesn't seem like it's legal regardless of any other factor at play

>>1392700
lmao what a faggot.
>Nooo, you can't take legal advice! show me the .gov site!
Uh yeah that's usually how legal advice works... They back up their claim with a citation (i.e. in accordance with xy201 paragraph c line 2, etc.).

>You retards are so eager to ruin this guy and his wife's life because they maybe forgot a single forum
How the fuck are we ruining this guy's life by pointing out the fucking law and correct procedures - which HAD THEY FOLLOWED THEM IN THE FIRST PLACE they would not be in this mess. You don't get special treatment.

>when in reality if this goes to court she'll get a green card exception
Then good for her, if it's all done legally.

>You know, exactly what that fucking link says.
No actually I don't know what the fucking link says because your fucking dot org "legal advice" site is making bullshit claims like 'you can get a green card if your visa is expired' and then not explaining how you do that - the opposite of legal advice.

>Maybe actually focus on those criminals you keep raving about
Maybe quit crying about a criminal that's in the country illegally.

>>1392703
>you can get a green card if your visa is expired
I skimmed it, and it kinda claim this. It says that it's an issue and you need to get a special waiver approved, which it sounds like they didn't have that either.

>>1392704
Welp if its there then they should've followed it. I could give a rats ass if she's here or not. What I'm tired of is these cocksuckers on /news/ crying
>she gud she dindu nuffin whataboutism to gang members
Just because you voted for Trump doesn't mean laws stop applying to you and your situation anymore than it does to me and mine. These two idiots fucked up, now they're going to go through admin hell to unfuck themselves. Don't like it? Then don't fuck up next time.

>>1392701
>>1392703
>which HAD THEY FOLLOWED THEM IN THE FIRST PLACE they would not be in this mess.
Except they did, and this still happened. Per the article they applied for a greencard.

Per an actual .gov article:
>https://www.uscis.gov/policy-manual/volume-7-part-a-chapter-6
>Immigrant visas for immediate relatives of U.S. citizens are unlimited, so the visas are always available. In other words, immediate relatives are exempt from the numerical restrictions of other immigrant categories; an immigrant visa is always immediately available at the time they file an adjustment application and at the time of final adjudication, if approved.

>>1392704
>>1392705
Except she applied for a green card, which should've naturally resulted in them saying "you need thee special waiver". So either she did it and they seized her anyways, or the immigration office didn't tell her about it and then arrested her for not doing what they didn't tell her she needed to do.

>>1392706
>Except they did,
Yeah they clearly didn't if her fucking visa expired before she even thought to apply for a green card. And the bitch of it is she could've applied for an extension of her visa, but for reasons unknown did not do.

>Per the article they applied for a greencard.
WITH AN EXPIRED FUCKING VISA YOU DUMB NIGGER. What part of this are you not getting?

>>1392707
>Except she applied for a green card,
After her visa expired.
>which should've naturally resulted in them saying "you need thee special waiver".
Because her visa expired.
>So either she did it and they seized her anyways,
Probably because she's on an expired visa with no green card.
>or the immigration office didn't tell her about it and then arrested her for not doing what they didn't tell her she needed to do.
Yeah it's the immigration office's fault her visa expired and she didn't extend it beforehand or get a green card before it expired. I guess they didn't make it clear enough when they issued it to her. Fucking homo.

It's retarded, but you shouldn't leave the country when in the process of getting a green card. If your caseworker is competent, they will tell you not to leave or risk deportation. She likely would have been deported under any president.

>>1392708
>>1392709
Except her visa only expired because she couldn't go home due to covid.
>When COVID-19 hit the following winter, with flights canceled and borders closed, she couldn't get home, and she overstayed her visa.
And per the .gov site, Visa expirations can be overlooked if they were due to external circumstances
>USCIS, in its discretion, may excuse the failure to file before the period of authorized status expired where the requester demonstrates within the extension of stay or change of status request that:
>The delay was due to extraordinary circumstances beyond the person’s control;

>>1392711
>When COVID-19 hit the following winter, with flights canceled and borders closed, she couldn't get home, and she overstayed her visa.
Which was back in TWENTY TWENTY!!!! HOLY SHIT she has been on an expired visa for YEARS??!?????!?!!!!!!

Nah I take it back. Fuck her. Deport her sorry ass. This isn't just some matter of days administrative fuckup. This is deliberate, intentional, not giving a fuck.

>The delay was due to extraordinary circumstances beyond the person’s control;
So for five years it was beyond her control? She couldn't go into whatever USCIS facility and explain her situation as soon as the lockdowns were over? Nah, get the fuck out.

>>1392669
>ha ha, and might I add: HA!
the leopards are getting fat this year

>>1392712
>how dare she work locally and become a stepmother to a 12 year old
Good to know we're cracking down on the real criminals.

Also you clearly don't know how much an administrative labyrinth immigration and green card/visa applications are. Green cards taking 2-3 years to get approved isn't unheard of. Considering they met in 2019 and got married in 2021... yeah tracks.

>>1392714
>>how dare she work locally and become a stepmother to a 12 year old
Oh no no no no no don't even fucking start with me. How long was her visa expired? Give me the exact number of days.

>Good to know we're cracking down on the real criminals.
Yeah actually. Cry more about you dishonest, bad-faith, cocksucking piece of shit.

>>1392714
>she dindu nuffin!
If this were China, Mexico etc they would've killed her.

>>1392715
>Yeah actually.
Please explain how it's productive to go after people who fully plan on becoming US citizens compared to, you know, actual gang members and criminals.

The irony is the actual criminal migrants wouldn't bother applying for green cards.

>>1392717
No no fuck you. Answer my fucking question first bitch: How long was her visa expired.

Five years? Six?

>>1392718
Probably 4 at most, and since the article says they immediately went to apply for citizenship after getting married in 2021, I'd say at most she had a year expiration before she started applying for a green card (and thus should've gotten an exception due to covid AND a renewed visa due to being the spouse of a US citizen)

Now, please explain how productive it is to waste time and resources forcing a stepmom who's worked in the US for 5 years to waste her family's house down payment on legal fees instead of the actual gang members, drug dealers, and terrorists you keep bitching about.

>>1392719
>Probably 4 at most,
So four fucking years on an expired visa. And you're seriously that much of a faggot that you're going to try and argue that she couldn't get her shit updated because of the covid lockdowns IN FOUR YEARS!!!

Fuck her. Fuck you. Both of you can get the fuck out of my country.

>I'd say at most she had a year expiration before she started applying for a green card
Which is WELL PAST the 180 days of being in the country illegally, which makes her eligible for a ten-year ban.

>and thus should've gotten an exception due to covid
The covid lockdowns that ended in 2021? https://www.uscis.gov/archive/uscis-response-to-covid-19

OOPS!!!

>>1392720
Yeah so, they started applying in 2021. So they started applying around when lockdown ended, and thus would've been perfectly viable for an extension.

Also, still haven't answered why this is a better use of resources than going after actual gang members.

>>1392719
>Probably 4 at most
Sounds like this was their fault then for letting her overstay a visa and never applying for a green card during this period

Look how the left desperately twists everything to try to show that she was here legally. Sad and low-energy.

The woman was not here legally. Period. She was "almost" here legally. She was "in the process of becoming" here legally.

This is why America has been moving to the right for decades.

>>1392719
It is clear that they are going for the easiest targets first. Honest working people are very easy to bully and cops love doing that. Drug dealers fight back and are usually armed. Who the fuck wants to deal with them?

Everyone knows that right wing LE types are the biggest cowards alive.

>>1392721
>Yeah so, they started applying in 2021.
>Apply for an Extension. Most nonimmigrants can mitigate the immigration consequences of COVID-19 by timely filing an application for extension of stay (EOS) or change in status (COS). USCIS continues to accept and process applications and petitions, and many of our forms are available for online filing.
>If You File in a Timely Manner. Nonimmigrants generally do not accrue unlawful presence while the timely-filed, non-frivolous EOS/COS application is pending.

Why didn't she file this in 2020? The whole thing can be done online.

>So they started applying around when lockdown ended
When her shit was expired and she didn't fucking tell anyone. Didn't even make an effort. Four fucking years she's been here on an expired visa and made no phone calls or filled out any forms online - which by the way they were still handling shit without coming into the building.
>DHS will apply this temporary final rule to H-2A petitions requesting an extension of stay, if they were received on or after Dec, 18, 2020 through June 16, 2021.

>>1392724
>Drug dealers fight back and are usually armed. Who the fuck wants to deal with them?
Yeah because Trump isn't going to war with the cartels right now. lol

>>1392721
And before you even fucking start,
>The length of delay must be commensurate with the circumstances. The petitioner or applicant must submit credible evidence to support their request, which USCIS will evaluate in its discretion on a case-by-case basis. These special situations have been used at various times in the past, including for natural disasters and similar crises.

>>1392721
>You may request an extension of stay or change of status using Form I-539, Application to Extend/Change Nonimmigrant Status, or in the case of certain employment-based classifications, Form I-129, Petition for a Nonimmigrant Worker. If an unforeseen circumstance prevented your planned and timely departure, you may extend or change your status and provide an explanation for your failure to depart.

>If you do not apply for the extension or change of status before your authorized period of admission expires, we may excuse the delay if it was due to extraordinary circumstances beyond your control.

>>1392681
>She overstayed her visa but is married to a US citizen,
that is illegal. It is not legally grey at all. She is required to renew her visa until she attains a permanent resident alien (green card) of attains citizenship.

>>1392729
you are correct, he isn't. Unless you believe he is truly going to invade Canada. You really don't know anything

>>1392714
>Green cards taking 2-3 years to get approved isn't unheard of.
so renew your visa.

>>1392739
>that is illegal. It is not legally grey at all. she is required to travel at the posted speed limit.
This is what you sound like.

why are people acting ike this is new stuff? I worked in North Dakota twenty years ago and one of our part-timers was a Canadian citizen with a green card. His faily lived only 80 miles away from the airport we worked at. He let his green card expire out of laziness and went home due to a family emergency and was not allowed back into the US until he straightened it out. As a result he had to be replaced and lost his job.

Shit happens if you don't take care of business. It's a life lesson. Only some people cannot accept that.

>>1392747
Because it's Trump's fault she's too lazy to do paperwork and it's the worst thing he's ever done in history since Hitler. Same old, same old.

>>1392729
How many people on the planes to El Salvador were actually cartel members? Did anyone bother to check before we sent them to an offshore concentration camp?
Trump says a lot of things. Look at what he's doing. He says he's going to war with gang members, but he's actually putting people who look hispanic on a one-way trip out of the country without even checking who they are.
>>1392739
Every government with a shred of decency allows people to stay on expired papers if the forms for their replacement are currently being processed. You can't control when that shit is finally approved, so countries usually give you the benefit of the doubt until the new papers are rejected. It lets them continue from their old papers to their new ones without any significant interruption in their life. Guess it's her fault for assuming that the US was one of those countries, and she gets to go to a detention center for her mistake.
You're either unintentionally or intentionally missing the point - the outrage is because this administration is acting with cruelty towards those that have not done any harm. We should treat everyone in this country like a human being, no matter their immigration status. This callous cruelty is horrifying to people who care for their fellow man.

>>1392746
The speed limit might be a bullshit speed trap, but it is clearly marked.

>>1392750
>>1392747
This is perfectly reasonable when you explain it like this but you have to realize, these people who can't see reason suffer from TDS. It's not about who's right/wrong or what the precedent is. It's a mental illness affecting these people

>>1392752
Violating the speed limit is a misdemeanor just like crossing the border illegally

>>1392753
TDS = Trump Dick Sucking and you have it bad.

>>1392751
>Did anyone bother to check before we sent them to an offshore concentration camp?
Yeah. They had a criminal record.
The Trump admin has a target rich environment of migrants they can deport. They are going after the violent criminals first because it's easier to find them. Rapists, murderers etc. who have their gang affiliation inked into their skin.
It would be more cost effective to shoot them instead of deport them, but Trump is being lenient.
>the outrage is because this administration is acting with cruelty towards those that have not done any harm.
It is not cruel to expect non-citizens to follow the law while they are guests in the United States.
We have no sympathy for aliens who exploit our resources and our people. Traitors especially.

>>1392671
No, not illegals. But they both are aliens.

>>1392751
>How many people on the planes to El Salvador were actually cartel members?
1) I don't know.
2) who fucking cares?
3) We have our own military doing gangster shit in Mexico as we speak, with spy planes and drones patrolling inside Mexican borders. So this argument of 'durr trump is going after this lazy bitch because he's too scared to go after armed drug dealers' is retarded cope.

>>1392751
>Did anyone bother to check before we sent them to an offshore concentration camp?
Ugh. Here we go again with the nazi references. Can you explain why countries like Israel, Poland and Japan can have stricter immigration laws than even we do but nobody calls them nazis or makes shitty third-reich references like you just did?

>>1392761
>Yeah. They had a criminal record.
Apparently one just had tattoos but got sent there anyway. Is that true? Well now we're gonna have a hard fucking time knowing because the guy has been sent to a no rights foreign prison without trial.

>2) who fucking cares?
You should care because it shouldn't be possible for people to be sent to an El Salvador super prison with no visitation rights and no ability to get an unjustly imprisoned person out.

>>1392791
Even Israel, Poland, and Japan don't send their prisoners to foreign mega prisons without a trial, where getting someone who was sent there on false charges out is borderline impossible.

>>1392792
>You should care because it shouldn't be possible for people to be sent to an El Salvador super prison with no visitation rights and no ability to get an unjustly imprisoned person out.
Here we go again. Are they here illegally? Yes or no.

>>1392793
>Even Israel, Poland, and Japan don't send their prisoners to foreign mega prisons without a trial,
No in Israel's case they just fucking shoot people trying to cross the border, as we've had a thread about this a few weeks ago. But again you won't call them nazis.

>>1392799
>Here we go again. Are they here illegally? Yes or no.
Apparently being here illegally means a life sentence without trial.

>>1392799
>Are they here illegally? Yes or no.
How are we supposed to know when the Trump admin refuses to identify them and they were deported before trial?

>>1392806
And here we go again with not answering the fucking question. Are they here illegally? Yes or no.

>>1392810
So he's sending non-Salvadorians to El Salvador?

>>1392814
>Are they here illegally? Yes or no.
See >>1392810. We have very little idea who they are and they had no hearing before they got deported. So I legitimately can't give a solid answer to your question.

>So he's sending non-Salvadorians to El Salvador?
Unironically yes. The people deported were Venezuelans who they claim were part of the Tren de Aragua gang. We're effectively paying El Salvador to imprison them in their own superprison. The problem is there's so little rights given to people in said superprison US lawyers can't even contact someone within if say, it turns out they got the wrong guy.

>>1392792
>Apparently one just had tattoos but got sent there anyway.
Yeah. That's how gang members identify themselves. They advertise their allegiance to the world.

>>1392815
>So I legitimately can't give a solid answer to your question.
And there you go. I'm going to take the word of Trump's administration over some faggot on the internet that I have to pull teeth from to get a simple yes or no answer. Say what the fuck you will about Trump, at least he's not evasive in the shit that he's doing. He'll proudly tell everyone he's kicking motherfuckers out of here that don't belong. And I could give a fuck if they're a gang member or a truck driver, they DO NOT belong here. They are illegal.

>Unironically yes. The people deported were Venezuelans
Oh wow, who gives a fuck? I guess it's kinda ironic that even deported they're still in a country they're not allowed to be in.
>who they claim were part of the Tren de Aragua gang.
Even better. Get them the fuck out.
>We're effectively paying El Salvador to imprison them in their own superprison.
And we've had this conversation before. How much does the average prisoner in the US cost vs where they're at now? Substantially lower.
>The problem is there's so little rights given
Hang on one second... Fuck, where the hell did I put my tiny violin? Damn it!

>>1392819
>Say what the fuck you will about Trump, at least he's not evasive in the shit that he's doing.
You guys are a fucking riot.

>>1392820
I bet I don't have to ask Trump 20 fucking times in a row if someone is here illegally or not.

>>1392819
>I'm going to take the word of Trump's administration over some faggot on the internet that I have to pull teeth from to get a simple yes or no answer.
So why won't they identify who they just threw into a megaprison?

Also, I don't care, unless they actually are a confirmed gang member, maybe don't throw people in a no-rights labor prison for the rest of their lives over what is, on paper, a misdemeanor. Especially without any trial.

I don't understand why anyone would ever by default trust the word of someone who would get in trouble if they said the opposite. It's like believing the guy suspected of theft when he said he didn't do it. Obviously they're not going to admit to the opposite.

I'm more concerned with the fact that hey, maybe we shouldn't have a foreign prison where people can be sent with no trial and then never contacted again. Because shockingly, I don't trust any government to have that power considering it's pretty obviously ripe for abuse.

>>1392819
You're literally going on and on about "BUT THEY'RE HERE ILLEGALLY!" and ignoring how a judge ruled the Trump admin deporting them with no trial was also illegal, only for them to do so anyways.

>>1392830
>I'm more concerned with the fact that hey, maybe we shouldn't have a foreign prison where people can be sent with no trial and then never contacted again.
Lad is taking a principled stance on Guantanamo bay twenty years later..

>>1392834
Yeah more Gitmo is bad actually. Almost like we were on the verge of slowly shutting it down and now we're doing so with even less oversight because we're sending them to prisons that aren't even run by the US.

>>1392830
>So why won't they identify who they just threw into a megaprison?
Beats me. I wish they would so I can point out all the several reasons why they shouldn't be here.

>Also, I don't care, unless they actually are a confirmed gang member, maybe don't throw people in a no-rights labor prison for the rest of their lives over what is, on paper, a misdemeanor. Especially without any trial.
Yeah well maybe don't come to this country illegally... This racist, nazi society that will throw people into concentration camps. Does anyone else remember all those Jewish illegals constantly trying to get into Germany in the 1930s?

But I digress. The fact that they're here illegally already demonstrates contempt of our laws. I'm not going to lose any sleep if they're gone, and if some of them end up in a "concentration camp", then that's just more incentive to stop coming here.

>You're literally going on and on about "BUT THEY'RE HERE ILLEGALLY!"
You're god damn right I will, because I'm tired of all the fucking excuses you make for them. If they're here illegally then they need to leave, whether it's some stupid bitch who was too lazy to ask for an extension on her visa or some rapist/murderers in a gang. And after the bullshit we had to endure under Biden, you have no fucking right to complain. These are the extremes we have to go to just to get immigration under control, because of the fucking games you people played.

>>1392835
The entire point of Gitmo is to send political prisoners to a place where they have no constitutional rights.
>and that's a bad thing!
Not when they're here illegally and committing crimes.
>muh rights!
They gave up their rights willingly when they decided to come here illegally.
>muh judges!
Separation of powers, the duty of the executive branch is to enforce the law.
Emotional arguments don't work here, we don't care.

>>1392830
>So why won't they identify who they just threw into a megaprison?
Because they already know who they are, and every objection is an attempt to slow down the deportation of criminals.

>>1392837
So you're just going to automatically believe they were totally illegal and totally committing crimes based entirely on the word of the people who'd be violating several human rights if they weren't. Yeah sure.

How's that boot taste by the way?

>>1392838
You mean the law as interpreted by judges. What do you think judges even do?

>>1392839
How do you know they're criminals if you don't know who they are and they received no trial?

I just love seeing this. I voted for Trump because I knew he would fuck over these things. Nothing gets me harder than seeing the left bleet in fear. It's the only thing that's kept me from an heroing.

>>1392840
>So you're just going to automatically believe they were totally illegal
Until you prove otherwise, yeah.

>and totally committing crimes
Which they're doing by being here, yes? The fact that you can't even admit that part says everything about you.

>How's that boot taste by the way?
Better than Biden's cock.

>>1392843
Because they have names, addresses and criminal records.

>>1392669
>>USAtonight
can't trust any mainstream media outlets they're all terrorists sympathizers setout to cripple and destroy america.
>>1392681
they're still going after gang members this is just a bit of extra to take care of any new ones coming in. For all we know she could be using her marriage as a coverup to smuggle in drugs and firearms. people have smuggled crack in packets by shoving it up their ass she's probably doing something similar.

>>1392848
>Until you prove otherwise, yeah.
Why do I need to prove they're illegal when you don't even know who they are? Your sole proof is the Trump admin saying so without even giving a single name or picture.

>>1392849
which are? Go ahead, give us a list. Fuck, give me one name. Just one name from the 200+ people Trump just had thrown into a Salvadorean labor prison without trial.

>>1392700
>if this goes to court
big if anon given trump now controls the courts, you overstayed on a visa 0 tolerance. I wish trump would crack down harder on the lgbt domestic terrorists out to violate children though.

>>1392851
>Why do I need to prove they're illegal
Because I just spent hours in this thread arguing with you faggots about a bitch, that you cunts were so upset about and trying to claim it's a legal grey area whether she's allowed to be here - only to find out that not only did her visa expire, it has been expired FOR SEVERAL FUCKING YEARS. So no I'm not taking your word for anything. You cocksuckers can show me some evidence or fuck off. My patience for your faggotry went out the god damn window when I spent all that fucking time looking through the USCIS.gov website, only for it to be for nothing because cunts like you CONVENIENTLY left that part out.

So yeah, your word is dogshit. Prove they're here legally or fuck off.

>>1392855
>I had to check through immigration law incorrectly, now prove these people the Trump admin refuses to identify are illegals!
Again, how are you or I supposed to prove anything when they refuse to identify a single person they just threw into a labor prison? Even the photos El Salvador released CONVIENTLY have all their heads shaved and their faces not visible.

He got what he voted for.

>>1392858
>I had to check through immigration law incorrectly,
Oh yes, please tell me more how you can apply for a green card with an expired visa. The last guy couldn't figure it out beyond "wuh- well my shitty blog said so!"

>Again, how are you or I supposed to prove anything
Welp guess you can't. So we have nothing more to talk about. Keep seething as Trump sends these criminals out of our country and you lose future voters for democrats. I'll be here laughing at you, one flight at a time.

>>1392865
>Oh yes, please tell me more how you can apply for a green card with an expired visa.
You literally can since it expired due to COVID, she applied for a green card while COVID lockdowns were still in effect, and any judge will see a woman who's spent the last 5 years in the US and is actively married to a US native and properly applied for a green card as green card worthy.

Also, keep rooting on Trump deporting random people to El Salvador with no proof of anything other than having tanned skin. I'm sure this is a power he will never abuse and never lie about. Even though a judge literally told them they couldn't do that because it goes against the law.

>>1392868
>she applied for a green card while COVID lockdowns were still in effect
Before or after her visa expired? Y'know that thing she could've got an extension for but didn't?

>Also, keep rooting on Trump deporting random people to El Salvador with no proof of anything other than having tanned skin.
Well that and the being illegal part, yeah. The same reason why this bitch is getting deported.

>>1392869
>Before or after her visa expired?
Let's see. Visa expired during covid, they got married in 2021 (still during covid and lockdowns), they started applying during that... yeah seems like it actually.

Oh, and you still have no proof any of the people deported were even illegal, considering again, no identification. I wonder why they refuse to say who they were?

>>1392851
>which are?
Why do you need to know them? Do you have a particularized interest?

>>1392871
If we go with the far-left's stance that all news against trump is automatically true. Then i guess we should now go with the stance that everything the government says is true and you should believe them or be fucking charged with treason deported if not outright executed.

>>1392871
>Let's see. Visa expired during covid
And she made no effort before that to notify USCIS and get an extension - which they were giving out because of covid. Keep trying to ignore that part.

>they got married in 2021
After her shit expired.

>they started applying during that they started applying during that
So they claim, with an expired visa, which means they couldn't get a fucking green card even if they wanted to.
>You may request an extension of stay or change of status using Form I-539, Application to Extend/Change Nonimmigrant Status, or in the case of certain employment-based classifications, Form I-129, Petition for a Nonimmigrant Worker. If an unforeseen circumstance prevented your planned and timely departure, you may extend or change your status and provide an explanation for your failure to depart.
>If you do not apply for the extension or change of status before your authorized period of admission expires, we may excuse the delay if it was due to extraordinary circumstances beyond your control.

>yeah seems like it actually.
Yeah no. The correct action would have been to notify USCIS during covid and apply online.... Which, again, they were allowing. The fucking building never fully closed down either so if they had to do anything in person, at the very worst they would have to reschedule if they couldn't get a spot - and their effort to do so would've been recorded and not counted as unlawful presence.

Which she didn't do for four fucking years, so the whole thing is a waste of my time.

>Oh, and you still have no proof any of the people deported were even illegal
Just as you have no proof that they were. We've been over this. Your word is dogshit, back up your claim with some evidence or die in a fire.

>>1392875
Because I'd like to know if the people we just deported to a foreign prison to do labor for probably the rest of their lives with no legal recourse are actually guilty of the crimes they're being sentenced for. I wouldn't have to ask if they actually had a trial but, you know, we didn't give them that either.

>>1392844
Same her brother. My spite for the left was the only thing that kept me going through my mom's leukemia.

>>1392880
How does this impact you personally?
Are you an illegal immigrant?

>>1392877
>Just as you have no proof that they were.
Almost like this shouldn't be a topic of debate and should be something we have objective fact for. Fact the Trump admin is refusing to release. This alone should be enough that they shouldn't be sent to a fucking supermax prison where they have no rights or recourse, something even the legal system agrees with.

Also man you're really giving a lot of stock in "Well uh, she should've done it before even though she applied for a green card properly!". The fact you can't accept that, hey, maybe they DID do all these things properly (and the article even outright says they spent months going through even single step needed for a green card) doesn't cross your mind because you enjoy the taste of boot leather.

>>1392884
trump should start throwing americans into these camps and repossessing their properties for being disgusting filth nepobabies.

>>1392884
I don't like the idea of being thrown into an El Salvador prison where neither my family nor lawyer can contact me for any reason. You do realize this logic can be extended to literally ANYONE, right? All it would take for the Trump admin to make someone disappear is say they have a connection to that gang and then vanish them. If there's no trial and no public identification, it doesn't even matter if they're Venezuelan. All they have to do is say someone falls under the Alien Enemies act. It doesn't even matter if you have US citizenship, as Japanese-Americans found out when we used it in World War 2. But hey, at least they were kept in the US.

>>1392886
>maybe they DID do all these things properly
then they wouldn't be in an ice detention cell, you should be thrown into one for the rest of your life for spreading misinformation and dissenting against the government.

>>1392889
Nice appeal to authority retard.

>>1392886
>Almost like this shouldn't be a topic of debate
And yet you still argue with me.

>Also man
I ain't your man, boy.

>you're really giving a lot of stock in "Well uh, she should've done it before even though she applied for a green card properly!".
Yes because USCIS gave her every fucking opportunity in the world to correct this and she decided to avoid it for year. YEARS.

>The fact you can't accept that, hey, maybe they DID do all these things properly
Then why was her visa expired? Don't blame covid again for the 50th time, we've already covered how anyone could get an extension despite that.

>and the article even outright says they spent months going through even single step needed for a green card
Except for the first step... Don't let your visa expire. And if it is going to expire for reasons beyond your control, notify USCIS so they can extend it.

But somehow that important first step slipped her mind.

>doesn't cross your mind because you enjoy the taste of boot leather.
>DURR UR PRO FOLLOWING THE LAW! U DUN WANT CRIMINALS HERE! BOOTLICKER!!!
Yeah yeah, go throw another molotov at a minority-owned store to own the police and fight the power, faggot. I've got things to do so my replies - my reposts more like it because you keep going over the same shit I've covered a million times today - are going to be a while until I get back.

>>1392891
>notify USCIS so they can extend it.
>He thinks immigration law is just one call and you're good
Holy shit my sides. You think they spent months arranging for a green card for fun?

Also, I think it's funny you keep talking about following the law when the very act you're defending was ruled as going against the law by a judge, which the Trump admin then ignored.

>>1392888
>You do realize this logic can be extended to literally ANYONE, right?
Only applies to aliens.
Incidentally, people like you suggested the unvaxxed should be put into camps five years ago because they were a risk to society. This is literally the same argument, except now it's being used against people who are here illegally.

>>1392893
>Only applies to aliens.
Applied to US citizens during the last time we used it.

>But my strawman!
disregarded.

>>1392890
just doing what you've done for the last decade TDS cunt.

>>1392894
Wasn't a strawman.
>https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/partner_surveys/jan_2022/covid_19_democratic_voters_support_harsh_measures_against_unvaccinated
And my point was that you have no right to complain about human rights violations when your side openly endorsed authoritarianism for four years.

>>1392896
You know a strawman poll is still a strawman, right?

Also, you're really arguing that theoretical authoritarianism that didn't happen justifies ACTUAL authoritarianism? Even going off your strawman you're literally saying that support for an authoritarianist idea justifies actually implementing it.

>>1392896
>– Forty-five percent (45%) of Democrats would favor governments requiring citizens to temporarily live in designated facilities or locations if they refuse to get a COVID-19 vaccine. Such a policy would be opposed by a strong majority (71%) of all voters, with 78% of Republicans and 64% of unaffiliated voters saying they would Strongly Oppose putting the unvaccinated in “designated facilities.”
55% of Dems still opposed then. I'd like that number to be higher but that's a majority opposed even if your actual eye for theoretical eye collective punishment argument made sense.

>>1392897
> that didn't happen
Anon, democrats were literally making republicans unhirable because they didn't take an experimental medical treatment. The camps, taking away their kids etc. were serious suggestions because they thought that Biden didn't go far enough. And before that, you were trying to get us fired from our jobs if you found out we voted for Trump in 2016. You called us nazis, racists, homophobes and so on.

Why the fuck would I care about moral and legal arguments e.g defending the rights of illegal aliens when you clearly didn't give a shit about the rights of your fellow countrymen?
>But what about l-l-law and order!
What fucking law and order? What fucking constitution? The things you decided to burn because you thought condemning your fellow americans would make America a better place?

So yes, I do support mass deportations without due process. And I hope democrats start some shit so they can be thrown out too.
>maybe we were wrong
>maybe we were misled
I don't care, fuck off and die already.

>>1392899
Rassmussen polls skew +10 trumpward which is why 538 dropped them

>>1392900
my lord the persecution complex is thick on this one

>>1392900
Imagine getting fired from your job because you risked shutting down the whole office, so you make up fanfic that "hey, they COULD'VE had us in 1984!" and deciding that's a good justification for actually deporting people to labor camps with no oversight.

You're literally making the thing you were afraid of come true. Don't think the monster will ignore you just because you were ok with it.

>>1392901
Assuming they were the slightest bit slyly Trump biased that probably means there were more than 55% opposed.

>>1392892
>Holy shit my sides. You think they spent months arranging for a green card for fun?
I know she spent years doing fuck all for her visa.

>Also, I think it's funny you keep talking about following the law when the very act you're defending was ruled as going against the law by a judge, which the Trump admin then ignored.
Since when does a district judge, A D.C. lefty judge appointed by Obama, have the power to tell the president what the fuck to do?

>>1392905
They are notorious for massaging their polling data to make it skew pro-Republican going back to the Bush era. I remember something about them being caught polling only on military bases or something to that effect.

>>1392910
>Since when does a district judge, A D.C. lefty judge appointed by Obama, have the power to tell the president what the fuck to do?
>Since when does a judge get to decide what is actually legal conduct
Let's see here... Hm... Yeah...

July 4th, 1776 actually.

>>1392904
>risked shutting down the whole office
As perpetuated by the enforcement methods of a president who couldn't prnounce "authority". And now we know the vaccine weakens the immune system of people who take it.
I hope Trump runs for a third term and establishes the American empire, unironically.

>>1392912
>but the law says-
SORRY I CAN'T HEAR YOU OVER THE SOUND OF ALL THESE MIGRANTS BEING DEPORTED

>>1392914
>And now we know the vaccine weakens the immune system of people who take it.
Source on this?

>>1392915
If you don't care what the law says, why do you care about illegal migrants at all? The law is the only thing saying they're committing a crime.

>>1392916
russia shills

>>1392897
democrats should stop being hypocrites or people aren't going to care no more. you don't get to cry two wrongs don't make a right while you constantly act like pampered piss children fuck off. you deserve everything that's coming to you and worst I hope trump builds camps to burn you alive.
>ACTUAL authoritarianism
if you could've implemented it you would've don't pretend otherwise now fuck off and wait for your turn to get executed.

>>1392929
>if you could've implemented it you would've don't pretend otherwise now fuck off and wait for your turn to get executed.
But they didn't? You're literally doing the second wrong in your own analogy.

You're literally using what Biden DIDN'T do to justify Trump actually doing it.

>>1392912
>July 4th, 1776 actually.
lol really faggot? No seriously, explain where this district judge can tell the fucking president what they can and cannot do.

Because if we're going to go down this logic, that means there are over 640 district judges that have the power to stop a president in office. So every judge has to be in agreement with POTUS decisions, and in our politically divided country that's not possible.

>>1392918
>If you don't care what the law says,
I'm not that anon... although I would love to digress for a moment. How is it that the left that engaged in lawfare and persecuted both Trump and went after Jan 6ers on bullshit charges of insurrection, but didn't do shit for their side and all the insanity they pulled in 2020 - from attempting to storm the white house to sedition - and you're going to lecture me on law and order?

>>1392924
>>1392916
nice fake news spreader so glad you totally didn't censor news about side effects from vaccines to spread your far-left propaganda that vaccines are good absolutely no side effects or negative effects just ignore that we've censored every social media outlet and turned the internet into an echochamber praise the vaccine. To the point mark zuckerberg is openly saying the biden administration forced facebook to censor anything negative about the covid vaccine.

>>1392931
>muh unitary executive theory
I want the facebook memes to leave

>>1392931
>Local retard does not understand the justice system
If the judge assigned to the case says that your action is not legal, it isn't legal. You can appeal that to a higher court but until that higher court rules otherwise, you still can't do it.

>and you're going to lecture me on law and order?
Considering you're the one advocating for literally ignoring a judge's ruling and tossing people into a foreign prison without trial, yes.

>>1392930
you literally doxed people for voting republican, you don't get to play the humanity card now you fucking hypocrite. Hurry up and kill yourself then before the big orange man comes.
I hope trump starts rounding your type up looks through your social media footprint and pins you for some minor domestic terrorist sentiment before sending you to guantanamo bay until you mysteriously pass away with a broken jaw line and a ripped Anal Sphincter

>>1392935
Holy strawman batman! And he brought his larping gear too!

>>1392936
Ok retard I'm going to enjoy seeing you get rounded up and executed. Good luck screaming we didn't go that far we only tried to socially execute you guys.

>>1392938
...you do understand you sound like a school shooter right now, right?

>YOU GUYS SOCIALLY MURDERED ME, SO I'M GONNA ACTUALLY MURDER YOU!
>Pumped Up Kicks Intensifies

>>1392934
>If the judge assigned to the case says that your action is not legal, it isn't legal.
He's not assigned to the case though and this isn't a fucking trial either. This is a lowly district judge with an opinion. Until it goes to the Supreme Court, him and you both can fuck off.

>Considering you're the one advocating for literally ignoring a judge's ruling
A "district" judge who has no authority over what Trump does overseas. Imagine if some red state judge in Utah told Biden "Hey you can't teach trans shit in schools.", and you're going to act like democrats wouldn't laugh this off.

>tossing people into a foreign prison
Except they're from that country so it's not foreign to them.
>in before muh venezuelan gang members

>>1392941
>overseas
you're incredibly esl, and ironically posting from overseas

>>1392941
>He's not assigned to the case though and this isn't a fucking trial either. This is a lowly district judge with an opinion.
You think he's just saying this casually? There is literally a court order for them not to deport anyone else. One they ironically are following other than the two flights they snuck out and are now trying to exact words their way into "well uh, TECHNICALLY, he only said not to let them fly! He didn't write it!"

Their deportation is a court case. His job was to make a ruling. You're so fucking retarded it hurts.

>>1392939
No i'm saying i hope trump does it to you retard how does it feel after a decade of acting like psychotic piss babies to have it done back to you?

>>1392945
Sorry I missed the part where Biden had people deported with no trial, against the ruling of a judge, to a foreign prison with no contact with any kind of legal council.

>>1392948
he only professionally and socially executed them, denied them the ability to have an opinion or a job and buried the "leftist" racists being complete menaces to society. But thats fine its all fine isn't it.
Just like you being thrown into a prison to be raped to death for your opinion should be fine. Just like trump deporting you and starting production on soylent green should be fine its all fine.

>>1392953
hi russia shill. this is a blue board, your manrape fetish belongs elsewhere, thanks

>>1392956
hi tranny, please march to the closest mental asylum and stop raping kids.

>>1392943
>You think he's just saying this casually?
Yeah I think this is another Hail Mary attempt by the left to a) fuck with Trump, b) hinder progress, and c) show they're not completely hopeless.

>There is literally a court order for them not to deport anyone else.
And Trump rightfully ignored it. Cope, seethe, mald, dialate, etc. etc. Until it goes to the Supreme Court, this order doesn't mean shit. We're not stopping the entire executive branch over a fucking D.C. nobody judge. He can elevate it and spend years fighting it in court, but we're not pausing getting these criminals the fuck out of here just so we can keep playing these stupid games with dems.

>One they ironically are following other than the two flights they snuck out and are now trying to exact words their way into "well uh, TECHNICALLY, he only said not to let them fly! He didn't write it!"
Worst case scenario, Trump can always drop an Executive Order and bypass this judge... go ahead and tell me how he can't. And again, if this was the other way around and Biden was still in office, you'd be saying the same thing I am.

>You're so fucking retarded it hurts.
Coming from the faggot who can't comprehend that bitch had an expired visa and was here illegally for years.

>>1392957
i know you have lots of fetishes but please post them on the nsfw boards russia shill. no need to melt down

>>1392959
you're the ones crying and crashing out about how its not fair that karma is coming back to bite you. Please relax sit down and go get fucked in prison you domestic terrorist scum.

>>1392962
i said don't melt down, i'm not your caregiver and i'm not here to console you

>>1392958
>Yeah I think this is another Hail Mary attempt by the left to a) fuck with Trump, b) hinder progress, and c) show they're not completely hopeless.
Unfortunately reality disagrees with you.

>Until it goes to the Supreme Court, this order doesn't mean shit.
Ironically, even the Trump admin disagrees with you. They're trying to weasel their way out of the two flights they sent out before the judge ruled on it and holding back the other ones. And what is this logic? Wouldn't this mean literally no rulings are allowed until the Supreme Court gets them in a year or two?

>Worst case scenario, Trump can always drop an Executive Order and bypass this judge... go ahead and tell me how he can't.
Executive Orders that go against the law are invalid, this is true. Did they not teach you the separation of powers and how each branch of government works in school?

>>1392968
that poster you're responding to is clearly a paid shill, didn't you notice. we're absolutely infested with them these days, it's such a shame

>>1392971
True, true.

>>1392963
I will be consoled when you get deported and thrown into Guantanamo bay for your crimes against humanity.

>>1392975
you don't even know what i look like anon. you need to stop projecting your weird manrape fantasies on everyone

>>1392968
>Unfortunately reality disagrees with you.
Oh yes I'm sure dems had nothing to do with this one... Tell me who were the plaintiffs again? Democracy Forward? A fucking left-wing group that hates Trump and has been filing constant lawsuits against him all the time? Yeah how about that reality, faggot?

>Ironically, even the Trump admin disagrees with you.
>"I don't care what the judges think. I don't care what the Left thinks. We're coming," Homan, said, adding, "Another fight. Another fight every day."
Hmmmm... who disagrees with who now?

>Executive Orders that go against the law are invalid, this is true.
Oh really!?! Like Biden's COVID mandates? Oh wait, that doesn't count right because he's on your team.

Fuck you.

>>1392979
shill logic, everyone

>>1392979
>>"I don't care what the judges think. I don't care what the Left thinks. We're coming," Homan, said, adding, "Another fight. Another fight every day."
>Hmmmm... who disagrees with who now?
The irony is they say that in public but in court they claim the opposite and instead of saying the judge is incorrect are trying to argue his order didn't apply to the flights already taking off.

>>1393000
>trump admin disagrees with you
>here's trump admin agreeing with me
>yeah but they didn't say that in court so it doesn't count
Pathetic. And way to disregard everything else I said. I guess I wouldn't want to talk about Democracy Forward either if I got called out for lying.

>>1393003
>>yeah but they didn't say that in court so it doesn't count
Yes this is how law works lmao.

Also the source of the lawsuit doesn't matter if the action is against the law regardless. Seethe and cope.

>>1393004
>Yes this is how law works lmao.
Yeah except your original claim of
>Ironically, even the Trump admin disagrees with you.
Was incorrect and had fuck all to do with the law.... Unless people can only agree with you in a court room. Jesus Christ the games you play.

>Also the source of the lawsuit doesn't matter
So we went from
>this is another hail mary from the left
to
>lol no it isn't muh reality
to
>Democracy Forward
to
>rofl that don't matter

... I love these conversations.

>>1393005
What the Trump administration says in a court of law supersedes any public statements, because in a court of law they actually have to hold to it. I don't know why this is so hard to understand.

Also, the source of the lawsuit has never mattered. The ruling on the action is. You legitimately don't understand how the legal system works and it honestly explains a lot.

>>1393009
he's not american. much like donnie, he's out of his element

>>1393009
>These people don't agree with you!
>Yes they do, here's a quote where they're saying the same thing I was saying 10 minutes ago.
>That doesn't count! He didn't say it in a court of law!
People can agree with other people without involving courts. I don't know why this is so hard to understand... No actually I do, you got called out and are moving goalposts like a motherfucker to try and salvage any argument you thought you had.

>Also, the source of the lawsuit has never mattered.
Yes it does. This was pushed by lefties, just like I said at the beginning. Trying to move goalposts isn't going to save you from the fact that this judge's decision came about from actions initiated by the left - specifically, Democracy Forward.

>>1393022
You really don't seem to comprehend the legal system at all. For example, if I were to say, have a "news" channel, but told the courts it's actually an entertainment channel, only the latter is legally true. Likewise, if Dogshit Incorporated were to bring up how the President just violated the constitution and the judge agreed, it doesn't matter if Dogshit Incorporated was exposed as a foreign fraud company the next day, it still means the action was illegal.

Please go to school anon.

>>1393022
you're not american

>>1392943
>There is literally a court order for them not to deport anyone else.
1) That court order was issued when the Venezuelans were already out of the USA.
2) A district judge doesn't have the authority to override the executive powers of POTUS
3) You will never be a woman.

>>1393025
>2) A district judge doesn't have the authority to override the executive powers of POTUS
Executive powers have to be legal dipshit. Until a judge can give a ruling saying it is, no go.

>>1393023
>You really don't seem to comprehend the legal system at all.
Okay anon. Tell me how I need a court order to agree with someone.

>Likewise, if Dogshit Incorporated were to bring up how the President just violated the constitution and the judge agreed, it doesn't matter if Dogshit Incorporated was exposed as a foreign fraud company the next day, it still means the action was illegal.
Since you, and they, claim this was a violation of the constitution that means it has to go to the Supreme Court to get hashed out there. Also I just realized another reason why I fucking hate democrats: imagine requiring that the president has to go all the way through the Supreme Court just to re-affirm that he has the authority to remove illegal immigrants from the country. This is why I hate the left so much.

>>1393033
you're literally not american

>>1393030
>Executive powers have to be legal dipshit.
NTA, remember when I brought up Biden's illegal as fuck COVID restrictions, and you were all quiet about that topic?

>>1393033
>Okay anon. Tell me how I need a court order to agree with someone.
Anon still doesn't understand the difference between a public statement and a legal one.

>Since you, and they, claim this was a violation of the constitution that means it has to go to the Supreme Court to get hashed out there
Yes, very good anon. You've finally understood the concept of a legal ruling. And you know you can't just do it anyways until then too, which is why the Trump admin is trying to find a mountain of excuses for why they did so.

>>1392916
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10222767/
>However, emerging evidence suggests that the reported increase in IgG4 levels detected after repeated vaccination with the mRNA vaccines may not be a protective mechanism; rather, it constitutes an immune tolerance mechanism to the spike protein that could promote unopposed SARS-CoV2 infection and replication by suppressing natural antiviral responses.
The tl;dr explanation is that your body produces certain types immunoglobulin (Ig) in response to certain threats.
If the body detects a true threat (virus, cancer etc) it will produce IgG3 antibodies. IgG4 antibodies are used in response to shit like allergens, which tells the body to downregulate its immuno-response from "oh shit oh fuck" to "alright, this isn't a threat, let's relax".
Sometimes the body confuses which kinds of (Ig) it needs to produce. People suffering from hayfever sneeze, have inflamed sinuses etc because those are the immune system trying to protect itself from something it thinks is a threat.
The opposite also happens. Sometimes the body treats everything like an allergy, which means it can't combat cancers and other pathogens as effectively. These are also called IgG4-related diseases.

>>1393030
>Executive powers have to be legal dipshit.
Not how our legal system works.
If the president does something fucky, his actions can only be remedied in court. A judge cannot unilaterally restrict his actions.

>>1393036
>Anon still doesn't understand the difference between a public statement and a legal one.
Anon still thinks you need a court order to agree with someone.

Here let's try to do this as simple as possible: Does Tom Homan agree with me? Yes or no.

>And you know you can't just do it anyways until then too
If that were true then none of Biden's COVID restrictions and vaccine mandates would've gone through. People wouldn't have lost their jobs or got kicked out of the military for refusing.

>>1393038
>judicial review, power of the courts of a country to examine the actions of the legislative, executive, and administrative arms of the government and to determine whether such actions are consistent with the constitution. Actions judged inconsistent are declared unconstitutional and, therefore, null and void.
here esl shill, have some help with your studies

>>1393043
Presidents break the law all the time, retard. The only way to resolve that issue is to bring it to the courts. But the courts cannot abrogate the powers of POTUS because he hurts their feelings. A judge cannot preemptively stop POTUS from exercising his constitutional powers.

>>1393045
>Presidents break the law all the time
at least you admit he's breaking the law. all the other shit, though, i have to admit i didn't read it

>>1393046
Okay. Then you're going to be perpetually outraged like a retard because you fundamentally don't understand how separation of powers or due process works.
>Many such cases

>>1393047
i do actually, since i'm the only american between the two of us. you can keep earning your pittance sperging out here but that doesn't change reality

>>1393048
Nigger, my president is going to keep deporting your co-ethnics and ignore idiot judges regardless of whether you think I'm american. And I'm going to keep laughing at you for being a powerless dickhead all the while.

>>1393037
This got addressed.
>https://medicalnewsbulletin.com/what-does-the-science-say-about-covid-19-boosters-and-igg4/
TLDR: It's either so minor it doesn't matter or literally doesn't matter at all. it's also less to do with the covid vaccine and more with repeatedly getting the same booster.

>>1393051
>my president
i accept that, actually, since you're a russia shill. but that still doesn't make you american

It's amazing that some shill managed to make people talk about practically everything other than the fact that a wife got detained by ICE for a misdemeanor because she's brown and assumed the country she found love in had a shred of compassion.

>>1393045
So he's breaking the law. Got it. The president isn't a king and separation of powers exist.

>>1393052
Yeah I guess the upswing of super-cancers is just from all that processed bread or whatever.

>>1393056
>muh laws
They're already out of the country.

>>1393059
there have been a lot more shills such as yourself, haven't there. i guess you can be classified as a super cancer if you want

>>1393063
And they were deported illegally without trial. Rights activists gonna have a field day with this one.

>>1392931
>No seriously, explain where this district judge can tell the fucking president what they can and cannot do.
6. This Court has subject matter jurisdiction under 28 U.S.C. § 2241 et seq. (habeas corpus), art. I, § 9, cl. 2 of the U.S. Constitution (Suspension Clause), 28 U.S.C. § 1331 (federal question), 28 U.S.C. § 1346 (United States as defendant), 28 U.S.C. § 1361 (mandamus), and 28 U.S.C. § 1651 (All Writs Act). Defendants have waived sovereign immunity for purposes of this suit. 5 U.S.C. §§ 702, 706.

>>1393065
>rights activists
Okay. While you're setting up lawsuits, Trump is going to keep deporting people.
You're not going to be able to file paperwork fast enough before the people you're pretending to represent get booted out of the fucking country.

>>1393055
No she got detained because her visa was expired for several years and she was here illegally. Nice try.

>>1393066
The Supreme Court held in Ludecke v Watkins that the President's decision is not reviewable. Trump would be in defiance of the US Supreme Court if he followed that Judge's "order"
https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/335/160/
>Held:
>The Alien Enemy Act precludes judicial review of the removal order.

>>1393067
Good luck with trying that when their lawyers can countersue for millions. That's such a slam dunk unlawful deportation case lawyers will swarm that shit like they smelled blood in the water.

>>1393071
Their 'client' is out of US jurisdiction retard.

>>1393072
illegally

>>1393070
The problem is the ruling was not that the court superseded the alien enemies act, but rather the use of the act itself was invalid, as it was meant for direct warfare instead of use on a single gang with less than 5k members. Trump is effectively attempting to use wartime powers in peacetime, which is illegal.

>>1393074
>peacetime
NTA, we're bombing people in Yemen as we speak.

>>1393075
you're really bad at pretending to be american

>>1393075
1. That doesn't count as a war and he didn't declare a war
2. Even if he did it would still have to affect people we're actually at war with. Which ironically I'm not even sure we can do considering the act has never been used for a gang instead of, you know, an entire nation.

>>1393078
America hasn't had an actual declaration of war since WW2... I guess Korea, Vietnam, The Gulf War, The War on Terror, etc. doesn't count then.

>>1393070
>Whenever there is a declared war between the United States and any foreign nation or government, or any invasion or predatory incursion is perpetrated, attempted, or threatened against the territory of the United States by any foreign nation or government, and the President makes public proclamation of the event, all natives, citizens, denizens, or subjects of the hostile nation or government
As anon said, we're not at war with Venezuela. Tren de Aragua is not a nation or government.

>>1393083
>or any invasion or predatory incursion is perpetrated

>>1393084
is this a self description, shill?

>>1393084
Is he gonna do all Venezuelans now?

>>1393083
>When an alien who becomes liable as an enemy, in the manner prescribed in section 21 of this title, is not chargeable with actual hostility, or other crime against the public safety, he shall be allowed, for the recovery, disposal, and removal of his goods and effects, and for his departure, the full time which is or shall be stipulated by any treaty then in force between the United States and the hostile nation or government of which he is a native citizen, denizen, or subject; and where no such treaty exists, or is in force, the President may ascertain and declare such reasonable time as may be consistent with the public safety, and according to the dictates of humanity and national hospitality.
>the dictates of humanity and national hospitality
Somehow, I kinda doubt this is being followed through with.

>>1393081
We haven't used this act since WW2 either.

>>1393090
So how exactly do we physically make a treaty with a gang?

Actually reading the law really highlights just why the judge sided against him. This shit just isn't applicable for a single gang, nevermind in peacetime. He should've just tried declaring them terrorists like he did with the cartels.

>>1392680
It is not black or white, you gaslighting piece of shit. Its a grey legal area. If its yes, then Trump also broke the law.

>>1392687
Do you suck Trump dick? I assume yes. You don't get a no. There is no legal area. You just suck Trump dick.

>>1392700
The dumbest thing is this guy is ONE OF THEIR OWN. These fuckers won't even play ball with their fucking kin.

>>1392701
You have been proven wrong so many times. Take the fucking L, assface.

>>1393093
After reading the EO he's essentially declaring the gang a guerilla warfare group (and all "actually hostile"). But it's pretty crazy if it turns out it makes legal sense to do it against only the gang, and not even have to prove to anyone they're members of the gang. That's a very abusable power, obs.

>>1393107
Does it even work for a guerilla warfare group? A lot of the language specifies an enemy nation.

>>1393103
>It is not black or white,
Yes it is. Her visa expired for several years, she was here illegally that whole time. Simple.
>you gaslighting piece of shit.
What did I lie about? Tell me.

>>1393107
95% of things Trump signs will be overturned within 5 years.

>>1393231
Yeah, but if this SCOTUS bows down to him, this new interpretation of the AEA is gonna be the law of the land until they overturn it, and they serve for life.

>>1393249
Or I guess congress could always amend the law. It hasn't been changed since 1918 or something but it's not exactly the Constitution.

>>1392669
fell for it again award.

>>1392669
Question for everyone here: is having a visa a right or a privilege?

>>1392669
Oh noooo....that sucks.

Get fucked Nazi dumbass

>"I was in the wrong in marrying the illegal invader. I thank Trump and MAGA for giving me a clean slate and another chance at life."

>>1393070
>[Footnote 17]
>
>The additional question as to whether the person restrained is in fact an alien enemy fourteen years of age or older may also be reviewed by the courts. See cases cited note 8 supra. This question is not raised in this case.