What a great car and a shame that a clean one is getting more rare/expensive.
good thing a camaro is better in every way without the rice tax.
>>27599557worse than it’s father in every concievible way
>>27599571https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhckuhUxcgAi mean they're pretty good but no
>>27599557Ugly, nigsan, meh
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>>27599588yeah they're both good cars from a performance standpointbut the nissan came out a decade before the camaro so such similar performance is kinda embarassing on chevrolet's part
>>27599588my god that's a fat 4banger
>>27599603>nigsan losing to a 4 cylinder on all seasons is somehow embarrassing to anyone but nigsanwhatever mental gymnastics helps you cope.
>>27599557Chevy SS with manual transmission
>>27599588>>27599603>>27599607ah sorry, i thought you were comparing it to the 6 cylinder chevy SS. here's a video for you to suck on:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xkDvQs_acE
>>27599620>drag race videosyea, we already established that the nigsan Z doesn't handle very good, and if you want a real sports car you'd be better off with a camaro.
>>27599622ok lmaoi bet you're the same gtr vs vette autist
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>>27599643>the camaro wins 2 out of 3 of the comparisons did you mean the nigsan got rekt?
>>27599615They've been selling for under $40k on Doug & Bids
>>27599588>>27599643>the car with more horsepower winsWeird world
>>27599690exccept the 4 cylinder camaro has less horsepower and still won. just another reason why the japs should've used the camaro platform in the new Poopra and Z. they would've had a god tier handling vehicle on their hands.
>>27599557>Nissan >good Lel
>>27599588the 370z is faster to 60
>>27599701i dont even know why other cars exist, they should all just be camaros with body kits
>>27599897unironically better than the BMW with a bodykit we got in the form of the poopra.
>>27599900yeah it should've been a camaro with a body kitsigh gm bros when will everyone else learn
>>27599643camero wins on tracks with more straights and 370 wins on tracks with more sweeping turns.ones better at straight line, ones better at turns, who would have thought...
>>27599557>literally sounds like a vacuum cleaner ev from gt3-gt6>expensive>slow>fat>raped by a barra swapped/stock turbo>uglyi dont get it, i wanted one when i was a little nigger about 15-20 years ago but they've aged pretty BAD
>>27600256laguna seca and VIR has more turns than Tsukuba. in fact, Tsukuba has a higher straight-line to turn ratio.
>>27599557i want one so bad brosive been saving up for one and i hope to get it sometime this or next year
>>27599557They stopped building them 3 years ago. There's 75k of them in the US.
>>27602093godspeed brother, they're some of the most fun + reliable cars you can get in the $15-25k range right nowbtw the sport trim is well worth it unless you were already planning on getting an aftermarket suspension, wheels, and lsd>>27602109that's very little compared to its domestic competition
>V6 muscle car, japan :O>V6 muscle car, america >:(
>>27603077Muscle cars have backseats
>>27599557god this thing is ugly,just admit the only reason you like this car is because it's japanese and your weebs
>>27599588Looks uglyStop shilling this crap
>>27599588Camaros come in 4cylinder flavors now? Dafuq? Sorry I checked out of life for a few years, a lot of things ar enew to me
>>27603196370 at the time of release looked alright but it aged like shit compared to the 350, the little sharp corner things on the headlights look so fucking bad now, it's gross
>>27603202Yes and certain shill posters can't stop shilling them despite how ugly they are and refuse to address the pain of owning a turbo 4cylinder 'muscle car'
>>27603205Looks infinitely better to me than a 350z
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>>27602127>$15-25kmight as well get a lightly used gr86
>>27599557my favorite z, love it
>>27600411Tsukuba is a smaller track. The perceived "straight lines" are much shorter than the stuff on laguna seca and road atlanta, and half of the corners on tsukuba are hairpins, something which is lacking on a lot of racetracks and breaks up the momentum on straight line cars>>27599571The camaro has worse engine options all round unless you're going for the v8. In fact its been established since the dawn of time that anything below the v8 is cope. The 370z was designed around its v6 and is better value for money purely for the fact that its been out for over a decade and can be had for around $10k while camaros have the muscle car tax, and you can barely find a 5th gen for under $10k. So at the pricepoint the z is at, unless you're buying a brand new nismo, a 370z is all around a better car. In fact, with the money you save, you can easily put out a better car for the track than a camaro. Also if we're looking at stats, even if a 2.0 1le edges out a 2013 nismo on some tracks, its really not by much seeing that a civic type r claps the camaro's cheeks on the track and the 370z almost goes even with it
>>27603077>Well established cheap sports car from japan with a design centering around the v6 engine: (:O>American car with malibu engine that has an extra 10+ years of r&d under it and is only an improvement in bare numbers ): (Do amerifats have tunnel vision? Maybe someone doesn't want sagging headliner after 40k miles, or the automotive equivalent of blood in their stool out of warranty
>>27603599Fun fact all GM V6s especially the 3.6 used in the 5th AND 6th Gen Camaro AND their 4cyl Ecotecs have chronic timing chain issues at 40-120k miles. It's not a matter of IF but WHEN it happens. The chain stretches or the tensioner craps itselfThat V6 is Audi-levels of complicated and it comes in almost every GM product except for their half ton pickups and Corvette.
>>27603599>cheap
>>27603634What about it?
>>27603583>Tsukuba is a smaller trackdoesn't matter, there's a reason Laguna seca is a test benchmark for all manufacturers testing the greatest handling cars, along with the nurburgring. nobody test on tsukuba. the Camaro and Z have the same straight line performance (4.7 0-100km), so there's no excuse for losing on 2 out of the 3 shown other than the camaro does better on tracks that actually have more corners and are actually used in serious motorsports (what FIA races take place on Tsukuba?).>The camaro has worse engine options all round Not really, GM's ecotec is a dominate force in drag racing. they're easy to get more power out of, and GM used to sell kits for things like the cobalt SS backed with a warranty.>The 370z was designed around its v6The Camaro was designed around all of its engine options. the Alpha platform started out as a V6 and a 4 cylinder in the form of the ATS and was considered the best handling sports sedan.>and can be had for around $10ki wouldn't touch some 100k mile Z that's been street raced by some beaner for 10k.>the money you save, you can easily put out a better car for the track than a camaroand have a much less reliable and/or comfortable daily driver. id rather just have a better handling car than one i have to lower, throw a rollcage in, throw on slicks etc, just to beat a camaro on all seasons.>shitvic with better power to weight ratiothe V6 camaro has the same laptime as the shitvic, without FWD understeer.>370z almost goes even with itit almost goes even with a car on all seasons...? congrats.
>>27603870>nobody tests on tsukubaExcept all of japan apparently since stuff like the gtr nismo was literally designed around it>GM's ecotec is a dominate force in drag racing. they're easy to get more power out ofKEK this has to be the most delusional part of your whole argument>the camaro was designed around all of its engine optionsIt was designed around the v8. Stop kidding yourself. If they put any thought into the other engines, they'd be sitting far further back in the bay to get better distribution, but they aren't. The camaro's identity is the v8.>i wouldn't touch some 100k mile Z that's been street raced by some beaner for 10kI'll take a z over anything below an ss camaro seeing how anything not ohv is disposable from gm as stated earlier>id rather just have a better handling car than one i have to lower, throw a rollcage in, throw on slicks etc, just to beat a camaro on all seasonsAgain I have no clue what world you live in but its clear you've never been around a track. You could throw coilovers and some crossbracing and the z would be ahead of the camaro already. Its crazy how people glaze the alpha platform all day when the camaro is literally middle of the pack and has a train ran on it by everything in its bracket without the 1le package. Also a z is more reliable than everything other than a base v8 camaro, especially when dod is involved>the V6 camaro has the same laptime as the shitvic, without FWD understeer.So basically the civic with its heat soaked understeering tires crying for grip still mogs a camaro, got it.
>>27603519This
>>27603781>>27603519
>>27603945>>27603948>samefag shilling le ebin eighto-sixoi'd tell you to leave in your copemobile but walking would probably be faster
>>27603519no thank you. i know what i want
>>27603994To work on a 10 year old car?
>>27603996yes, happy to in fact
>>27603996See >>27603977 and find an actual sports car to shill
>>27599643>3,900 pounds Holy shit.
>>27603931>Except all of japan apparently since stuff like the gtr nismo was literally designed around itthe GTR nismo was primarily developed around the nurburgring. they did more testing there than anywhere else. even the japs need to test on real tracks when they want to be competitive on the world stage.>KEK this has to be the most delusional part of your whole argumentGM's ecotec hold the 4 cylinder drag racing record and is faster than any Nigsan V6 lmfao!>It was designed around the v8.it was designed around an engine the platform didn't originally ship with? okay, retard.>they'd be sitting far further back an LS engine can sit further back than most OHC engines in any car it wasn't designed for by simply being physically smaller, retard.>anything not ohv is disposable from gm as stated earliervs everything from nigsan being disposable lmao!>Again I have no clue what world you live inthe one where the Z is clearly losing to a camaro who's laptime is being quoted on all seasons>>27599588>You could throw coilovers and some crossbracing and the z would be ahead of the camaro already. all you'd have to do is throw summer tires on the camaro, and you'd increase the gap by several seconds, pic related on that same track.>Also a z is more reliablelmao, i can find cobalts with more mileage on than any Z.>1:25.75 with summer tires vs 1:28.18 without>nearly 3 seconds ahead of the Z with nothing but a change in summer rubber that the Z already comes with standardbut muh Z mawdz!>So basically the civic with its heat soaked understeering tires crying for grip still mogs a camaroin a straight line with more power, yes.
>>27603996oh also a base 370z has better handling + skidpad results at all speeds than the GR86 despite weighing almost 500 lbs morekinda goes to show that toog fags are full of shit when it comes to anything car-related
>>27604015i aint reading allat i just want a Z i dont need some autistic specs dick measuring session
>>27604015forgot my pic.
>>27604017>>27604006>>27604000I see you all enjoy wrenching on cars you're still making payments on. You know why the oil galley gasket looks like a dick? Because you'll get fucked if a shop does it.
>>27604026why would i finance a used car? i'm not you
>>27603781Lol that Z has a rebuilt title and 92k miles. If it's a lower trim, then it has no LSD. Typical nigshit.
>>27603977>>27603994>>27604006find an actual sports car to shill
>>27599557Pssst. Hey kid. 3.7 mustangs. It's the same car it just has a horse on the front so it goes for a discount.
>>27603623GM sisters... Our response? They're gonna start asking us to post tools next!!
>>27603781God damn the rear end on that Z is fucking ugly lmao
>>27604015>GM's ecotec hold the 4 cylinder drag racing record and is faster than any Nigsan V6 lmfao!Oh of course, surely any ecotec can btfo a stock vhr! They definitely don't detonate their rods before 300hpDo yourself a favor and get checked out by your pcp bud
>>27599620Cirno should NOT be behind the wheel
>>27605011she drives (2011)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Hs8oEoLMuE
>>27604835>surely any ecotec can btfo a stock vhr!the one in the camaro did on all seasons KEK
>>27599557Really is.I so badly want a Camaro, really really badly but in my area people are asking stupid money for them, 5 gen SS's are going for 30k and up.Z's are still cheaper but getting there.
>>27605186i would save up for the Camaro. if you actually want one badly, you'll regret not getting it and settling on something else.
>>27605186Just go to a dealership and test drive the two cars, as in put the pedal to the metal and swerve them around on the street. Both are quite fun cars in my experience, but only you can determine whether the driving experience is worth the purchase (and associated costs) at the end of the day
>>27604026everything that requires work = LE BAD!!!!everybody in your faggot fucking generation needs to be murdered
>>27604026that looks more like a uterus to me my guy
>>27607421found the wrenching enthusiast, I guess you took the S.W.E.A.T pledge?
>>27603870>there's a reason Laguna seca is a test benchmarkBecause of it's accessibility That's literally itEvery major automaker does testing of vehicles in America, namely on the west coast of America, and Laguna Seca is always open to manufacturers
>>27607667This is what people don't get. A car gets designed and benchmarked on the home turf, then they take it to another track to run testing and tune it there as well. Japan is no different. You cannot tell me that its mere coincidence that the r35 nismo is the fastest unmodified car around tsukuba
>>27607667its more accessible to fly vehicles to america to test instead of just doing it at home? or is it because laguna seca has elevation changes and everything you'd want to account for on a track whilst Tsukuba doesn't.>>27607982>You cannot tell me that its mere coincidence that the r35 nismo is the fastest unmodified car around tsukubaits the only unmodified car that a manufacturer even cared about testing there. even the New Supra and New NSX was not developed or tested at Tsukuba. the LFA wasn't either.its almost like its just highly insignificant when it comes to tracks and would only be used to advertise a vehicle's performance in Japan alone, whereas Laguna Seca can be used to advertise a vehicle's performance to the world.
>>27599557How does Nissan make some bangers like this and shit the bed with their economy cars?
>>27608466No, it's because every car company in the world has R&D facilities in either California or Michigan. Especially the Japanese car companies.
>>27599571You know GM doesn’t sell the Camaro in most countries so third party companies import them at a premium? Do you see large numbers of Camaros sold in Japan, Australia, Europe? No. Why would I buy a Camaro if I could have a manual 911 GTS for less? Only drug dealers and cashed up bogans buy Camaros here.
>>27608722It seems like they don’t even try with their FWD models. Nestling everything RWD or proper AWD Nissan makes is a brick shithouse that has top tier reliability, frontier/titan, G/Z/now Q cars(kinda. Loses points for turbos), GTR, ect.
>>27599557>a shame that a clean one is getting more rareHow can you say "they're becoming rare" when you can go to your local Nissan dealer and order a brand new one today? They're still making them (albeit with a slightly different appearance).Unless you actually prefer the 370z more than the "new" Z, but the improvements to the engine should far outweigh any aesthetic preference for the 370z. It's not like either version is a very good looking car, anyway ... so considering that they're basically identical cars, except one has a better engine, I don't know why anyone would say "it's a shame" that the older model with the worse engine are getting harder to find.tl;dr: If you want a 370z, buy a Z.
>>27609045The OP is in america. this suggestion is for him. obviously if you live in some cucked shithole like australia or Europe with less car freedumbs don't bother and just stick to the bus.
>>27609007and if Tsukuba was worth a shit they'd build them there, which goes back to my original point.
>>27609290the new Z does look sick in yellow, but you could get a c7 z06 for like 5-10k more or get a GTR for 10-15k morethe 370z, on the other hand, is like 15-20k (maybe 25k for a pristine, highest trim, low-mileage example) which makes it a much better value proposition unless you really want a new car
>>27599557I want to be hood rich
>>27609045$330,000 Australian Dollars to USD is about $215,622 in freedom bucks…amiright?I would rather get something else than a Camaro. Maybe a 4-door r31 or whatever skyrine for fun. Already got a fairrady so I could use a comfier car for longer trips.
>>27609651The US has a laundry list of cucked vehicle laws, and cars that are illegal to import to your country. Enjoy your crumbling infrastructure and perpetual 'culture war' brainrot, buddy. You should read a book to better understand why certain products are developed for certain markets. That's why the 370z exists.
>>27609290>paying Supra money for a ZLol
>>27604000Imagine being that much of a feather weight that a piece of cardboard ruins your career. bikers are gay.
>>27599643That is a 5th gen SS against a Nismo. Dollar for dollar, that should be a comparison against the 6th gen SS 1LE.MSRP for the Nismo 370z was about 46k and a 2020 1SS was 38k + 7k for the 1LE.5th gen was designed to be a straight line car like the muss-hole cars.
>>27610842I had a stroke and pressed post early.>>27603583>39k car that always had a dealer discount is only 1% slower than a "46k" car that is always marked up. >>27605186The 5th gen has better aftermarket support but is otherwise completely outclassed by the 6th gen. Don't be fooled by the cheaper price.I come from a family of car people. We've had 67 SS350, 70 Formula 400, multiple Datsun Zs, a nismo 370z, Mk3 and mk4 Supra, Subies, 2 JCWs and more. When the 350z first came out in 2002 with a starting price of 26k is was an amazing deal. When the 370z came out it was a good refresh and the lower trims were still a good bargain. But Nissan left it out to dry while simultaneously upping the price every year. The GT/SS easily outperformed it, sometimes even the lower trim models could give the 370z a run for its money.In its final year even the 2nd gen gr86 was able to keep pace. These things suck when left bone-stock.Its a different story if you are lucky enough to find an unmolested low-spec Z and are willing to put about 10k in mods into it. Those might be the closest thing Japan ever came to making a hotrod.OP is right but its a bit of a paradox. At this point there are only 2 kinds of Zs left. Who wants to buy someone elses project; who would be willing to sell a car so pristine to someone that they know will turn around and mod it?
>>27610881taking inflation into account, the 370z was actually less expensive than the 350z at all trim levels, and the same would be true for the new z if dealers actually sold it at msrpthe same is true for their sport/touring trims, but for the price of their nismo variants you could usually get a vette that would outperform it anyway (especially for the new Z nismo, hell you could even get a used r35 gtr if you wanna stick with nissan)
>>27610782>The US has a laundry list of cucked vehicle lawsand yet, we still own better cars than europe and australia on average, with america being a far better place for car enthusiast as a whole.>and cars that are illegal to import to your countryonly the shit ones. the last car that was worth a shit became legal to import (R34)>That's why the 370z exists.it exist for countries who can't have a superior camaro, yes.
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>>27611203Did you know the 6th Gen Camaro uses the ‘Alpha-platform’ which is just the Australian developed Zeta platform by Holden right? If you have any questions I’d be happy to teach you bro.
>>27611356>‘Alpha-platform’ which is just the Australian developed Zeta platformbased retard
>>27609290these people don't actually like the 350/70z, they like the fact that they were once affordable in the 4-digit range
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>>27613223>General Motors engineers determined that downsizing the GM Sigma II platform that underpinned the second-generation CTS would result in a vehicle that was too heavy and that using an economical, front-wheel drive platform would sacrifice performance. Under the leadership of Dave Leone, General Motors engineers created a brand-new platform which was designed to be light and compact, capable of handling both rear- and all-wheel drive configurations and having a near 50/50 weight distribution.[4][5] The new platform developed by the General Motors engineers for the ATS is now called the GM Alpha platformbased retard who can't read further.
