I actually don't hate it. I saw a review for the Red Sport 400 and it actually made me more accepting of the car. I do know for a fact when the turbos fail it'll be a engine out job though. The only thing worth considering is a used Genesis G70 3.3T (not a Korean car shill but they depreciate hard) and check out Chrysler 300Cs (the last year all came with the 6.4 SRT engine from the Scats)

https://youtu.be/JkBeICfaiO0

>>27601974
>I do know for a fact when the turbos fail it'll be a engine out job though.
I know there were issues with the turbo at some point, but in 2024 wouldn't they be fixed by now? Can it be a 200k mile car?
Competes with other Japanese offerings like Lexus IS and Acura TLX

>>27602105
Probably gonna be a issue at 100,000 miles. But unironically I would be looking at a used Lexus GS-F or a new Chrysler 300C for that amount. Maybe a Scat if you can find a leftover one at a dealer in Florida. You can get one for $50k flat and it's a brand new car.

>>27602119
As a YOUNG WORKING PROFESSIONAL MAN I only need the backseats to throw in some items every now and then, or very short trips. The GS, 300, and charger are full size family hauling sedans, and something about being in a big four door car doesn't sit right with me, even if it's irrational. Same goes for the Chevy SS.
>V8 sedan: IS 500, would have to save up quite a bit more money
>Turbo 6 sedan: Q50 because supposedly great value at around $50k, but you are mentioning some turbo issues.
>V8 coupe: Camaro SS, manual
At the end of the day will probably settle on the coupe but something about a sleek, elegant four door car that isn't a family hauling boat appeals to me. I hope I'm not the only one.
In the past the go-to would just be 3 series, (M340i being the more equivalent of what I'm looking for) but I think I can get better value.

>>27602391
They're all about the same size thoughever. The Charger/300 are larger, but the GSF and Q50 are within 3 inches. I don't think it really matters. Used RCFs are $30-40k too but much older. IS500 is probably gonna end close to $60k OTD.

Other problem with the Q50 is dead steering feel and the transmission being kinda clunky and slow. It's similar to the 5spd Autos in the older Nissan/Infinitis.

Look at the Genesis G70 too. $30k gets you a 2-3 year old car and the interior is a nicer place to be in and from doing 5 minutes of research the 3.3T V6s are ridiculously overbuilt like the VR30/B58. I wouldn't buy one new but I would experiment with a used one to make Korean car depreciation work in my favor. It's the same powertrain as the Stinger, just not fucking ugly.

Another option is F87 M2s, but might be too sport oriented for what you're looking for. M340i is neat but held value too well imo.

I rented a "Premium" car from Enterprise and they gave me a choice. Q50 TT or Vadge Challenger.
I lold and said Gimme the Nissan. Dude was wide eyed, said, "You don't want the Challenger?!?"
Hell no, I was driving out to the coast, where they don't like niggers and I didn't feel like spending $400 on fuel.
Anyways the Nissan was great. Hauled ass and was quiet and comfy. Blended right in with the rich coasties and the Asians looked mad when they saw a tall whitey climb out of it.
I'd buy one if I felt like spending that much. Got a Toileta Avalon instead and it's boring but nice anyways.

>>27601815
Is there a Q60 that comes with all those features? Four doors are bloat.

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>>27602611
Q60 discontinued as of 2023

>>27602514
>https://www.caranddriver.com/rankings/best-sedans/luxury/compact
I have an irrational aversion to Genesis, I think I should let the normies experiment with the upscaling Korean brand before I choose to spend my money on one. Even if it's just as reliable or luxurious or whatever. Maybe caring about brand prestige is dumb, but at the end of the day I don't want to spend money on something I instinctively feel off put by.
IS 500s are close to $70k new unfortunately, because they only make the premium trim. They don't accept custom orders. These will really hold their value so I'm not expecting much depreciation or anything on the used market. I'd rather just save the money and buy new... Though I'm wondering when the final production year will be.
Looking online for GSFs, again these held their value, with mileage as high as 30,000 being in the $50k territory. ISFs, though older, forget about 'em. You're looking at clapped out cars with accidents for more than $30k. RCFs haven't held their value much though surprisingly.
Of course, the German offerings should also be considered, like S4/S5, 3/4 series, C class
>>27602517
>Blended right in with the rich coasties
I'm in a nice area in the Bay Area CA, and I'd feel out of place in a Camaro or Mustang lol.
Maybe I get one anyway and straight pipe it to spite the German-buying coasties.
Then again, I think I'd feel out of place in one regardless of area. Though I enjoy rowing through gears, I don't want to look like I'm driving a race car to work... these are college kids' cars and boomers' cars, not for YOUNG WORKING PROFESSIONAL MEN.

>>27602676
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>>27602514
Stinger looks better than both versions of the g70/thread

I've been thinking about getting a Q50 or Q60 lately. Lots of car for not much money. Shame there's no manual versions, but a comfy daily driver with over 300 hp that is like less than 10 years old for ~20k isn't a bad deal for a used car. I'm sure someone will have some shit to talk so let's hear it, I do want a good deal on a car.

The other car I was considering for my next car is a C6 Corvette.

Twin turbo version isn't as reliable, you want the NA version which is basically just a fatter/comfier G37. But that's not a bad thing. People always want OLD thing but made new. Well guess what, here's an upgraded 350z (the 370z), but newer and comfier.

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>>27601815
The Q45 was the patrician's choice and an elite man of class's car. After 1999 they turned to upgraded Altimas. That's all that car is, skip it and search out a Q45 or the Jap equivalent, the Cima.

>>27602829
G70 is faster and better handling, and I'd say looks better too with those paint jobs compared to NPC gray.
>>27602836
>Shame there's no manual versions
I sometimes wonder about buying a car and then after its warranty runs out, manual swapping it.
I'm a complete fucken wrenchlet though so I wouldn't know how to lol.
>~20k isn't a bad deal for a used car.
It may be sort of hard to find a clean car though. Cheap power means "urban youth" get their hands on these.
>>27602839
>>27602842
I'm only looking for a new Infiniti in the first place so I can get some peace of mind with warranty, know that I alone maintained my car properly, AND the fact that I can easily find it under MSRP.
If I was looking to buy an older car, I'd go literally anywhere else.
>Q45
>201 inches long
I'm not trying to buy a land barge.

>>27602866
You can get the stinger in any of those colors and it won’t come with a gapping grille. The straight line speed of both cars is identical and the stinger has much more practicality.

>>27602611
The 4 door actually weighs less
That being said I still chose the Q60 because I love the look of the coupe so much more

>>27602866
There's nothing wrong with buying a used infiniti that is less than 10 years old, especially if based off a tried and true reliable NA engine. A new car is always going to de appreciate even if it's below MSRP. A used one will have already have had the de appreciation hit it and probably wouldn't be that much more different than a new one while being considerably cheaper. Infinitis just de appreciate badly, not for any fault of their own, just because that's the market. You can find a decent 1 or 2 owner one for not too much money. These aren't 350z yet, but they will be in the future. Consider getting one before these are the clapped out models in 10-15 years.

New cars are pricey, no matter how you slice it. Even if you make above six figures, you should probably buy a less expensive car than what you think you can afford. Sad truth. I make close to 6 figures and if I'm being truthful, I really should only be able to afford 20-30k~ ish of car.

>>27602723
Genesis imo actually handles better and is more fun to drive than the Q50. The problem is the Q50s always had no steering feel and it's the same car from 2013. And the same type of person to look down on one is also the same type to look down on Infiniti for selling Nissans with leather that "couldn't afford a German/Lexus".

My problem with the Infiniti isn't that it's an old car, it's a old car that was good when it came out and now 5 years out of date. It's not necessarily wanting to avoid touchscreens but stuff like the newer car having a better transmission, less lag, nicer interior, less weight (3800lbs) etc. I understand avoiding a Chrysler in the Bay Area, you'll get lumped in with nigs and they'd steal a 300C since it's a the same as a Scat 6.4 (ditto Camaro/Chevy SS).

>>27601815
This is the car an Altima owner gets after getting promoted to manager at a Burger King.

>>27602921
>Genesis
If you're an apartment dweller with a carport or a boomer packrat with no garage space who parks on the street, this might not be terrifying.
Hyundai has been making self igniting cars that self ignite in numerous ways. My garage isn't a fireproof concrete bunker, it's made of wood. It's connected to my house where I sleep. Maybe Hyundai should shift some of their online shilling money to research car designs that don't self ignite. Just a thought.

>>27603005
>Shilling

I'm telling him to buy a 2-3 year old one because Korean cars are worthless used, not to head down to his local dealer where they're offering 2.9% APR financing on America's Best Warranty

Alternatively M340is are finally depreciating.

>>27603020
>I'm telling him to buy a 2-3 year old one
Who wants a car that only lasts 2-3 years after someone else drove it 2-3 years?

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>>27602836
>I sometimes wonder about buying a car and then after its warranty runs out, manual swapping it.
At least for the Q60, it's pretty well documented on how to manual swap that and the ECU lends itself being somewhat preprogrammed for it. European Q50's had a manual option for the 2.0t iirc
>>27602611
Q60 is bloated especially with the AWD but supposedly it has a nicer balance (probably due to the length and size of the car + AWD) than the Q50 according to TFL https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FIhChVm5hv0
This video made me consider getting the AWD version since it has the Attesa system and the fact that the car doesn't have a real LSD. I heard the AWD compensates for it a lil but I could always get a real LSD for it down the line.
Both Q50 and Q60 are more GT cruising than a true performance car, but I think they have great tuning and mod potential. Parts for the engine will live through the new Z at least.

>>27601815
If I didn't buy my tesla I was gong to buy a q50 hybrid, can find good used one for under $15k every few months

>>27602921
It turns out that Q50s are the 3rd most stolen car by % in the country jej.
>>27603172
>At least for the Q60
In terms of the red sports, I'm assuming only 3.7 Qs can be manual swapped pretty "easily," or even the twin turbo 3.0s?
>>27603180
What the fuck is a q50 hybrid

>>27603172
Why don't you want an LSD in it? You said that's something that made you consider it.

And what engine variant would you get? I'd consider the NA version, it seems more reliable. I hear the twin turbo awd versions are like a rocketship though

>>27603190
>What the fuck is a q50 hybrid
https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/l-Used-INFINITI-Q50-Hybrid-d2208#listing=362399439/NONE/DEFAULT

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"should a young working professional man looking for a premium sedan buy this?" Only if he's not a car guy and doesn't mind paying the premium price for a Mazda that will never truly compare to the true leaders. Honestly, if one is looking into this "type" car and has 45 to 55k to burn, I wouldn't look to Infinity. Audi, BMW and some Mercedes, stop fucking around. Infinity is for women and minorities.

>>27603190
>even the twin turbo 3.0s?
https://conceptzperformance.com/blog/installing-a-manual-transmission-in-the-infiniti-q60-red-sport/
Yes, even the 3.0 twin turbos. It's a lot of work, but it's a comparable amount of work for the 3.7 Q's too. Thank these guys for taking the bullet and showcasing every issue and solution they have to get it fully working in the end
>>27603193
>Why don't you want an LSD in it? You said that's something that made you consider it.
These cars are not optioned with an LSD instead they have a brake actuated LSD that somewhat helps stability, but real LSD do exist for this platform but it's not cheap.
> I'd consider the NA version, it seems more reliable. I hear the twin turbo awd versions are like a rocketship though
My previous car was the G37 and the NA VQ was great and bullet proof at 190k miles. It's only gone cause an SUV smashed into it. The 3.0T AWD launches really well and you'll have all the traction and grip you want (body roll does hinder tho). I can't comment on reliability yet but I have heard some people getting turbo replacements around the 70k mile mark while also hearing 100k+ miles running fine with stock turbos. I plan on replacing my turbos for bigger performance ones in the future so I don't consider it a hinderance and I'm at 30kish miles so I got a bit of life before it croaks and I'm under warranty anyways.
Only other thing I've heard about 3.0T is that the Serpentine belt eats itself in some 2017-2018 models, but those aren't that expensive to replace.
Also Red Sport variant has dual water pumps, a turbo speed sensor, and different final drive ratio and that 400 HP tune compared to the other 3.0t.

>>27603247
>Buying some bottom level german car
Why?

>ugly interior

no thanks anon i will never buy an interior that ugly

>>27602514
can korean cars last a long time? i want something to last 100k+miles

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>>27603262
Superiority complex.
All these brands follow BMW. BMW began this market segment. Every year Road and and Track, Car and Driver stack them all up, including the "me too" cars like Infinity, Caddy, and year after year the leader is BMW. Sorry if that hurts your curb feelers.

>>27603306
>german cars
ever

lmao

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>>27603295
Meh, I think it'll be fine since the Stingers came out 2017 with that powertrain. The Stinger/G70s haven't had any real mechanical issues when abused other than weak transmissions at the 550whp mark which is with aftermarket turbos. The turbos on the 3.3Ts can be replaced in the car without dropping the motor and the G70/Stingers have a Torsen LSD.

All I'm gonna tell the OP is to drive both cars. Pic rel is my source re: turbo replacements, Q60 is likely the same as Q50 and 400Z. Shop is a big Nissan/Subaru specialist shop so they know what they're doing, originally started racing Z32s and turbo 350Zs.

>>27601815
It looks so fucking dated, what is this 2015?

>>27601815
it's an infiniti so

>>27603247
>Infinity is for women and minorities.
You can’t make some bold claim like that with a fucking BMW lmao

>>27601815
Looks like a Mazda. Pass. Get a Cadillac cts or dts

>>27602514
>the transmission being kinda clunky and slow. It's similar to the 5spd Autos in the older Nissan/Infinitis.

And that’s a GOOD thing. Unironically one of the best automatics to come out of Japan. People dog the absolute shit out of G and Z cars, you rarely see a transmission fail before the engine. They’re stupidly well built. Even to the point where Nissan just gave it bigger cooling lines and slapped it to the Nissan titan. Those trucks have never had widely reported transmission issues and they are moving a heavy ass full size pickup that also tows.

Say what you will about the 300 hp maxima attached to a kei car cvt, but everything Nissan offers that’s RWD is usually very reliable. Frontiers, titans, Infiniti,ect.

>>27604025
I would agree if I haven't been taking the bus for the last 2 weeks after my Pathfinder threw a P1774 code. They get solenoid/TCM issues at high miles and now I have to drop a valvebody and either repair the broken contacts or just change a solenoid ($50 Duralast = OEM Mitsu)

The 7 speed is rather old, honestly it's my biggest complaint with the car. I wouldn't doubt if the Kia/Hyundai trans is a clone of the ZF8. I actually haven't heard anything bad with them.

>>27604039
That’s a front wheel drive Nissan you deserve all the issues you get. Not the same transmission. Irrelevant to the conversation.

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>>27604050
It's actually a 2011 R51 with a VQ40DE/RE5R05A from a Frontier. It's a failure that's happening more as time passes from vibrations cracking the contacts. Happens to all the cars with that transmission.

https://g35driver.com/forums/drivetrain/469518-removing-valve-body-tcm-p1757-p1759-fix.html