celica alltrac or eclipse GSX?
>>27602019>trannyverse engineI'd rather walk
>>27602019I will only buy a J*panese car when they figure out rustproofing
>>27602019eclipse but only at an angle that shows off the POWER BULGE, and also in bright red with the pick-a-nic basket spoiler because it looks just like the generic race cars in the ps1 racing games i loved
>>276020192g eclipse has such a great ass, only the carrera 4s has it beat
>>27602046>it looks like the generic race cars in the ps1 gamesAnon, those "generic race cars" were just Eclipses slightly changed to avoid copyright
>>27602019Sportwagen Alltrack
These were my two favorite cars as a teen. :3Both the 4G63t and 3S-GTE still have parts availability, but I assume the GSX will have better parts availability. The All-Trac is probably more-reliable, but good luck getting transmission parts if you need 'em.I think the GSX looks better (and I had a GS in HS so I really like DSMs) but all-tracs are rare as shit and have that X factor.I now hate AWD (12th year of Subaru DDing) and would recommend a gloriously-dangerous SW20 in stead.
>>27602262i'd get a subaru if they didn't have dogshit engines.
>>27602311>dogshit engines.I've grown a distaste for Subarus and AWD, but I don't get this meme. Their engines are great (and sound great). I even have the one engine that gets headgasket failures (EJ253) at 140k miles and I'm not worried at all. Slow as fuck and gets worse gas mileage than a truck tho.
>>27602320flat 4s wear the worst of any layout. it's just physics. and also they're super weak
>>27602329>flat 4s wear the worst of any layout. it's just physics.Absolutely untrue, look at V6s. Flat-4s are some of the most-balanced engines. Subaru just cheaped-out on headgaskets for one engine 20 years ago (the one I have) and everyone assumed it was inherent to flats in general.
>>27602338i'm talking about gravity wearing the cylinders into eggs
>>27602019gt4
>>27602399>i'm talking about gravity wearing the cylinders into eggsIt crossed my mind when I envisioned a free-body-diagram, but the proof is in the pudding and generally flat-4s are just as reliable as I-4s. I don't see any evidence of stock Subarus (excl the headgasket-eating EJ253 which, again, is what I have) getting engine failures at higher rates than other cars.
>>27602765they burn oil like mad at high miles
>>27602019is that even a question?
>>27602241yes that's the pointi want it and i want to stick a big white stripe and NAMCO letters on the back
>>27602884my meme ej25d has 225k (original engine) and doesn't burn much
>>27602892Why would you want a GS/RS?
>>27602020Lol ski issue wrenchlet. Gitgud
>>27603040post your fwd shitbox you converted to rwd yourself then
>>27603056Boo hoo wrechlet, you gonna cry about breaking a nail too while you get overwhelmed by a sideways engine?I'm not an insecure FAGGOT like you who needs to flex in order to justify retarded asinine opinions.
>>27603056He can't even post A car. Let alone one he's modified. >>27603065>t. doesn't even own a car and is clearly projecting about being insecure and no wrenching skillsSad Anon.
>>27603065>doesn't post anything kys projecting wrenchlet dilettante
>>27602019I just realized I have not seen a 2g dsm on the road or even car meets in my flyover state in 5+ years. And I have been daily driving Z32s and E36s for that whole time.
>>27602020This.The correct choice is the all-trac motor swapped the right way around into the last good Celica.
>>27602028>Is it the salt we pour on the roads?>NO! It's the car manufacturers who are wrong...
>>27603233doesn't help that every wigger buys these things to rice the fuck out of them just to do a burnout in an intersection & drive through a burger king.
>>27602019
>>27602924GS/RS 95-99 Eclipses are not DSMs.
>>27604633They were made and designed by Diamond Star Motors, they're DSMs.
>>27605332so it's a Mitsubishi or DSM?
>>27606719Both, clearly.
>>27603580Let's ignore that nippon 1000x folded steel still rusts much faster than any other brands under the same conditions
>>27605332>>27606750Initially Diamond-Star Motors was a 50-50 joint venture between Chrysler and Mitsubishi. However, in 1991 the Japanese company purchased its partner's interest, and thereafter the manufacture of Chrysler vehicles was on a contractual basis. Chrysler sold its equity stake to Mitsubishi in 1993, and Diamond-Star Motors was renamed Mitsubishi Motors Manufacturing America (MMMA) on July 1, 1995.[3] Despite the departure, the two companies have maintained various co-operative manufacturing agreements since and considered all vehicle produced until 1995[9] as Diamond Star Motors. No Mitsubishi Sirius engine, no DSM.
>>27606798Every car company has their rotboxes. 1990s-2000s GMs and Fords (even 2010s like GMT900s rot out QUICK)MkV VWs W210 Mercedes E36/46 BMWs (even E90/92s are rotting out)Now try to find a rusty 2000s Toyota or Honda. They actually got them right by that time.
>>27606992>2010s like GMT900s rot out QUICKcan confirm mine was new off the dealer lot and rusting beyond believe 3 years after buying.
>>27606989Well according to your logic the 2G GSX isn't a DSM either. I've owned a non-turbo 2G DSM, there were DSM stickers under the hood.
How do you guys feel about the A60 Celicas? I know it's not the one everyone pictures when someone says "Celica" but I think it has its own charms. There's a GTS available a few states over with 190,000 miles going for ~$6,500 but I'm afraid it could shit the bed and rack up maintainace bills soon after I buy it just due to age and mileage.Think it's worth the risk? Would be my first actual car past the crumbling Civic I've been driving for 11 years since I was a teenager. I just want a fun car, bros.
>>27602020whats wrong with transverse engine? Genuinely curious as Im a wrenchlet aspiring to start wrenching
>>27609262Implies that it's probably FWD or FWD based/derivedNothing legitimately wrong just a purist, /o/ is like /mu/ or /v/ where your opinions are worthless and automatically wrong if it's different from the OPs
>>27609268thanks anon, thought it was much worse judging from the reaction but yeah shouldve expected
>>27609262Harder to work on belt driven accessories or anything else on the front of the engine as they're now sandwiched between it and the frame rail. Terrible weight distribution because every single one has the engine 90+ percent in front of the front axle, lol you think subarus and audis are bad about that? Try every car with a transversely mounted engine ever and especially V6 ones. Manual transmission shifter feel will never be as good because you can't mount the shifter directly to the transmission, you have to use a cable or linkage. And most importantly, transverse engine means FWD (or dogshit AWD that never works as well as proper longitudinal systems.) No fucking thanks.
>>27609280Hondas are comically easy to work on while being FWD with the best shifter feel out of any car only rivalled by Miatas, and Subarus are longitudinal and also have excellent shifters.Turbo V6s are often longitudinal with ridiculous packaging, turbo replacements on most of them are engine out jobs. B5 S4, Z32TT are old cars that come to mind
>>27609280Transverse engines are cool.
>>27609288Depends on the Honda, I did a water outlet on an eighth gen accord k24 and they buried that motherfucker
>>27609251it's the sexiest but it's not AWD
>>27607127iirc only early 95 eclipses (build date sometime in 94) use the DSM sticker, anything later uses a mitsubishi sticker.>>27609251hardest part about owning them is finding a good example and finding body parts, it's got a 22re and a w58 so drivetrain-wise it's pretty solid.source: i own both a early 2g gsx and a a65
>>27609390The DSM name gets thrown around a lot when talking Eclipses
>>27609288>Turbo V6s are often longitudinal with ridiculous packaging, turbo replacements on most of them are engine out jobs. B5 S4, Z32TT are old cars that come to mindSame applies to transverse turbo V6s, 3000GTs are notoriously terrible to work on. The only olf turbo V6s I can think on that would be easy to work on are the GMs (firebirds, Sy/Ty). I suppose a turbo replacement on an A610 wouldn't be too difficult at least.
