Whats the point of Honda when Toyota exists? >not as reliable as Toyota >more expensive than Toyota >only sells fwd cuckboxes
>>27641050>Whats the point of Honda when Toyota exists?honda is the greatest engine manufacturer in the entire world, ever.
>>27641050They had a great run from the mid 80s to mid 00s. Honda made the best fwd cars back then, simple as. Double wishbone, DOHC vtec, manual transmission. The civic and accord were more fun to drive than the corolla and camry, while being just as reliable.
>>27641050But at least they still make good motorcycles unlike Toyota
SH-AWD alone is already better than anything Toyota has, let alone the NSX and its future successor.Toyota has the Poopra (BMW)Lexus (slushbox barges that understeer)The GR8-*explodes*and the GR Yar-*diff overheats*Admittedly, though.Toyota can actually make a truck, and that's something honda cannot do.
>>27641066they don't make the LS, so lets not go that far.
>>27641066ICE is obsolete and will probably be banned for consumer use in the next decade or two so where does that leave Honda?
>>27641080LS cant rev for shit>>27641082wtf is ice?
>>27641087>wtf is ice?Slang for crystal meth
>>27641087>LS cant rev for shitstill better than not having a V8 at all (Honda)
>>27641066They’re a GREAT motor company, but definitely not the best. They make the best 4 bangers and motorcycle/lawnmower engines and top tier (not best) V6s. They don’t have any reputation or even widespread production for I6s, V8s, diesel engines, 10/12 cyls, ect. For vehicles sold to the public. There is no best motor company. Certain companies may make the best configuration of a particular engine though. As a car manufacturer Honda has always had an Achilles heel in automatic transmissions that makes them far less reliable in general compared to other jap automakers. Yeah the manuals they have are great, but 90% of the cars they sell are automatic, and very frequently in history they have has issues so widespread they’ve lost multiple class action lawsuits. As we speak there are even certain models that Honda is require by law to replace the transmission free or charge upon failure due to court mandates and faulty technology.
>>27641082ice will never be obsolete. people like their drinks coooooold. are you retarded
>>27641066How? They don’t even make V8s, V10s, I6s, or reputable diesels. All they know how to make is a couple great I4s and V6s but most are landmower-tier I4s.
>>27641074SH-AWD feels terrible when driven hard and just makes the car unpredictable, and completely uncontrollable in certain situations. Not to mention the system weighs like 400lbs or something ridiculous. Really cool on paper, doesnt work too well in practice.
>>27641165literally the opposite of what's described about them in cars like the TLX Type S and NSX.
>>27641050toyotas are for people who dont care about cars.honda is for everyone else
They make the best 2 row cuckover.
>>27641066Used to be. Honda is just another overpriced, inferior generic as Toyota. Cope harder
>>27641066>Civic 2.0L 158hp with belt CVT>Corolla 2.0L 169 hp with direct 1st gear + belt CVTLets not get into how Honda's hybrid system has less sustained hp, less peak hp and lower mpg than Toyota or even Ford's setup.
>>2764105010th gen Accord Sport/Touring with the 2.0L are fantastic cars. Everything else I can really care less about.
>>27641050Competition is good, without them Toyota would be even shittier than they've already become. As far as I'm concerned their reliability is only lore now, nothing post 2005 has rhe same level of longevity. We're talking about 20 year old vehicles at this point, very few are even still available for purchase.
>>27641050>only sells fwd cuckboxesNot always
>>27641050The whole purpose oh Honda is to make engines for swapping into proper cars.
>>27641074>Honda enthusiast creaming his pants over a transgay awd automatic drivetrain systemPottery
>>27641050Hondas are more comfortable and larger than Toyotas. Better quality interior and materials. Almost as reliable but definitely coasting on reputation here.They're also more fun to drive.
Because they make better looking cars and also are more interesting and handle betterToyota is for people who decide on making their personality revolve around how reliable their car is and how financially savvy they are despite financing a car they still can't afford
>>27641087>wtf is ice?Internal combustion engine.
>>27641082>ICE is obsoleteNo.>and will probably be banned for consumer use in the next decade or twoProbably.
>>27641102they lost in the automatic transmission game in the 2000's because they were very reluctant to ever build a planetary automatic. all of their automatics were automated manuals with a torque converter in between. the early ones throughout the 80's and 90's were simple, firm, quick, and fantastic. especially when compared to the crappy 3-speeds other manufacturers were offering. Honda had TC lockup in 2nd, 3rd, and 4th as early as 1986.When they complicated things with computers, solenoids (clutch pressure control, pressure switches) to make shifts feel smoother, their weaknesses began to show. they also cheaped out on the bearings for V6 applications starting in the 6th gen Accord and had lubrication problems in the 5-speed automatics in the mid 2000's.Honda wouldn't use a planetary automatic until 2018 with their 10-speed automatic.
>>27643431They kept making bad bets. Hondajet was a ridiculous money sink.
>>27641134>Indy and F1Why they never made any production models we'll never know
>>27641050>Whats the point of Honda when Toyota exists? I can still get a commuter car with a manual transmission, which Toyota no longer offers.
>>27641050This, pic this is mental. Also Cub.
>>27641050>>not as reliable as Toyot-ACKK
>>27643534You called?
>>27643579Meh. ;)
>>27641495In Honda's defense, the K20 is a port injected engine compared to the Corolla's dual injection. It's missing 11hp but it's a much simpler engine. It is also available with a manual transmission.
>>27644056>>27641495but the Toyota Hybrids are definitely better
>>27641066"""light""" and """"reliable"""" but Honda has no FAA certified engines. Hmmm.
>>27641495lmao comparing the civic's beater 2.0 with the hopped up rolla SE/XSE 2.0add another 2 rows to your faggot spreadsheet:>Civic 1.5T - 174hp with belt CVT>Civic Si - 200hp with 6 speed manual
>>27641066They were. Now Honda is not alive anymore, it has no blood. It doesn't even have blood in its blood.
>>27641082>will probably be banned for consumer use in the next decade or twoNo it won't. The sale of purely ICE may be eventually banned, but the use of ICE will not be banned for a long time.
>>27641050They make a lot more things than just cars.That company is a behemoth in ways that few are.
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>>27641050imo Hondas are better than Lexus, other than Toyota 4x4s, their cars are 2nd rate to Hondas
>>27644372Same, Lexus is just the same garbage as Toyota with a fancy badge
>>27644079Camry 230 hp with 50 mpg and AWD.Also>belt cvtis not a plus. A 1.5T direct injection making 174hp with a belt CVT is inferior to NA 169 hp multiport injection with direct 1st gear + CVT.
>>27641050OP the truth is that toyota is not always available. Sometimes there are wait times of months, even year in case of the Rav4for that reason lets say u get stuck with no car, you must buy one at once, then you go for a honda or mazda for example>>27641066low iq liar>>27641082ev retard liar, hybrid is the future not EV
