I could have saved it
I miss the beavers. Is it true the grasslands were all forest before they chopped it down and killed the beavers?
at least this board has deteriorated to the point where shitpost threads are just bumping off other shitpost threads and not anything actually interesting
>>2767786No. The grasslands were an ancient ocean/beach/marshland.
>>2767788The jannie here could be dead for all we know
>>2767786They were loosely connected marshlands with riparian forests. Texas and Oklahoma used to have massive old growth forests and the Great Black swamp used to cover from northern ohio to Indiana.The first thing the introduced grazing animals did was eradicate the midwest mesquite and native grasses. This was after the beaver were eradicated and well into the process of bulldozing the old dams and wetlands.
>>2767788>complains about board quality>still posts hereImagine being so miserable that you stick around a place you hate so much
>>2768446Imagine being such a soilless husk of a creature that you consider talking about Pre industrial revolution America in the context of the environment "trolling."This place is infested with boomers who love clearcutting and have spent exponentially more time learning deiseal repair than they've ever spent learning about nature.
>>2768446I was a regular poster here pre-covid and left during the normalfag surgewould look at the catalog occasionally since then and leave immediately for obvious reasonscame back last week and am sticking around out of boredom, at least its not /k/
>>2768652Ranier
>>2767783>>2767791 Imagine the amount of gigantic undiscovered fossils of animals and rare ores buried under that miles of sediment
>>2769482Almost none in the Great Plane if any. The Midwest is the center of the craton and is basically the exposed surface of the tectonic plate that has been repeatedly stripped bare by interglacial periods.
>>2767783I enjoyed this book. It's short so I read it twice
>>2767786No. That place gets a lot less rain. There are forests here but most of them have been cleared out naturally by bison and other herbivores eating grass and gradually displacing the planes trees and things.
>>2768652Can’t be bored and also enjoy /out/ in the same instance newfagKino shot btw
>>2767783>da mid westruined by white opiod addicted trailer park trash
>>2771931The "midwest" is east of the plains. Over in the rusty cheesy lakelands. I do agree that they're named wrong and the cheeselakes should be named the middle east and the plains states the midwest though.
>>2767783i could have saved it
>>2771942What am I looking at here? This is a map of vancouver B.C. as the ice sheets retreat but it looks as if the sea level is falling rather than rising. Are you complaining about the sediment deposits from the fraser creating an agriculture-ready delta?
>>2771931>If I repeat the same lie over Ok rabbi, we both know you live in NYC and never leave your Eruv
>>2771942Based ancient flood poster. It was caused by a meteor impact in central china.
>no one could have saved it
>>2772224we used to have a based coastline and now its just pozzed and lame blueberry farms
>>2772275burns bog is based though still >>normies and immigrants btfo
>>2772252Air conditioning is the worst thing to ever happen to florida.
>>2768445>great plains>northern ohio to Indiana
>>2767786>Is it true the grasslands were all forestno.
>>2772304Agreed. If the power went off this state would become a paradise within a montht. no AC
>>2773820They were dispersed wetlands with riparian forests. There used to be way more trees in the midwest and texas and Oklahoma absolutely used to have much more massive forests than are remaining today.Although I guess a one word response is about as much brain cells as you can muster.
>>2773824I don't know about paradise but all northerner-cancer would leave and the south Americans wouldn't have anyone to pay them to clean houses and do yard care so they'd probably starve of go north to the (((Sanctuary Cities)))
>>2768451Hey fuck you diesel repair is a great time/o/ is also directly above /out/ if youre a mobilefag
>>2772277>yellowstone, all of colorado, and almost all of montana underwaterI would not have expected that at all given their elevations Maybe the mountains looked more like islands then
>>2771918you severely underestimate my ability to start arguments if you think a slow board means inescapable boredom lol
>>2767786>is it true the grasslands were all forestNo.
>>2773840>There used to be way more trees in the midwestWere are talking about the great plains. not the midwest you midwit. Animals like pronghorn and Bison did not live in forest you retard. fuck you and your beavers.
>>2767786Only right along the river and its tributaries. Most washed over by the dam system.
>>2767786No, they weren't forests, but they were effectively unrecognizable from the farmland slop they've become.
>>2772275people don't seem to appreciate how rare perfect soil and climate conditions are for blueberry farms to thrive
>>2776571This was before the current rockies rose up. The last of the ancestral rockies were eroding into that seaway at the time of the image
>>2777011we dont need blueberry farms in general. people dont eat that many blueberries and most are exported to china anyway. there are already wild blueberries, salal and huckleberries here and these farms are just taking up space that could be marsh and habitat.
>>2768446I've never understood why people do this.
>>2771891The prairies were created by Indians setting fires. Only the high plains are too dry and windy for tree growth. Same as the Amazon rainforest used to be full of clearings and agricultural before European diseases killed off most of the natives and returned it to solid rainforest.
>>2776660>I don't know anything about the ecological history of north America: the postFeel bad about being retarded.>>2776661Yes, the great central basin was loaded with beavers and loosely connected wetlands surrounded by riparian forests. Don't mistake your ignorance for historical facts.>>2776742Riparian disjointed wetlands with riparian forests. Small Trees (technically wooded shrubs) in the low, grass in the high parts.You public educated retards believe everything the farming and logging conglomerates tell you.
>>2777402The high planes used to have mesquite and other dispersed shrubs that introduced grazing animals like cow and sheep obliterated along with the native grasses.
>>2777411>Feel bad about being retarded.Explain how grazing animals like Bison and the second fastest land animal in the world and the fastest over long distances- the Pronghorn- evolved in the forests. Why did Lewis and Clark not document vast forests on their journey instead of vast plains as far as the eye could see?
>>2777956>Explain to a retard what a riparian forest is and loosely connected wetlands created by a hundred million beavers.You're an intellectually lazy piece of garbage who didn't read their book. Get back to me when you're done with it so I can explain to you what you just read at your 8th grade reading level.
>>2778118>cant answer the questions>doubles down on cope and retardationstick your beavers up your ass you stupid cunt.
>>2778193You asked a very obviously retarded question.What do beavers eat? Wooded plants.How many beavers were in the great Midwest drainage basin? Hundreds of millions--according to trapping records.What did Louis and Clark see everywhere as they went trough the northern Midwest states (you really should look at the path they took and read their book)...beavers. They saw beavers everywhere.A riparian forest is a waters edge forest. As mentioned before some people consider willow a tree and others consider it a shrub.So you asserted you'd read a book you very clearly haven't read and made a retarded statement using the book as a basis and also don't know shit about the path they took or the trapping reports from the era. You somehow believe 100,000,0000 beavers lived on grass.You're mad because I'm shattering your delusional lie you somehow pass off as actual history and your ego clearly can't handle it.
>>2778201>still can’t answer the question>What did Louis and Clark see everywhere as they went trough the northern Midwest states>traveling on a river the entire timeAre you being obstinate or are you genuinely retarded? Of course they saw beavers they were on a fucking river you dolt. They killed 38 beavers between the first one in Council, Bluffs, Iowa and fort Mandan, where they spent the winter. They were good eating. They killed dozens more afterwards, and on the way back. Of course, beavers a very common in the riparian bottom, land of creeks and rivers that doesn’t negate the fact that those creeks and rivers traversed through vast plains filled with Bison, elk, antelope, wolf and bear etc… I’ve read their journals as well as Philip Gass. Nothing you have said addresses the fact that there were no vast forest across north, and South Dakota and eastern Montana when Lewis and Clark travel through there nor had there been for eons. You still havent addressed the question of how something like a pronghorn designed to run incredibly fast across open space could evolve if they were forests instead of plains. Or how bison evolved to eat the grazing grasses across plains, not browse the shrubs of a forest. Explain Lewis’ description:“I asscended to the top of the cutt bluff this morning, from whence I had a most delightfull view of the country, the whole of which except the vally formed by the Missouri is void of timber or underbrush, exposing to the first glance of the spectator immence herds of Buffaloe, Elk, deer, Antelopes feeding in one common and boundless pasture.”I’m very familiar with the path Lewis and Clark took at least as a pertains to the great plains and Montana. I’ve actually canoed portions of the trail myself. I doubt you’ve ever left the basement.
>>2778201>What did Louis and Clark see everywhere as they went trough the northern Midwest statesLet Cap’n Lewis tell you:“Capt. C & myself stroled out to the top of the hights in the fork of these rivers from whence we had an extensive and most enchanting view; the country in every derection around us was one vast plain in which unnumerable herds of Buffalow were seen attended by their shepperds the wolves; the solatary antelope which now had their young were distribued over it’s face; some herds of elk were also seen; the verdure perfectly cloathed the ground, to the South we saw a range of lofty mountains; . . . these were partially covered with snow.”Definitely beavers in the creek bottoms, but the majority of the landscape were treeless plains.
>>2778292People seem to forget that the dam system has covered up the river side forests and many dozens of wooded islands that once dotted the river. Examples that remain are La Framboise island, Goat Island, Farm Island, and previously American Island as seen in the pic.
>>2778282You're very good at lying. Way to ignore everything I wrote and paint a narrative that dodges the very obvious fact you didn't read their book. I'm thinking you're a legit sociopath at this point. Your dishonesty is consistent with that kind of broken mind.>>2778298He's told several lies already. Super dishonest dude. He's trying to say the hundreds of millions, not thousands, millions of beavers that lived in the great Midwest drainage basin lived on grass.If you go to montana you have the high flat ground--which was grass and small shrubs; but all of the culverts and gullys (which there are tons of) were loaded with beaver dams and surrounded by forests. Not massive trees, riparian forests, which are deciduous trees like willow, dogwood, ash.My whole point, which they continue to lie about, is riparian forests were dominant. Riparian forests follow the rivers and the flatlands were indeed prairies--but they also had more intermittent trees like mesquite.With the amount of dishonesty that dude has it's pretty clear he's a mind broken logger.
>>2778383>gets BTFO by Lewis himself>cant address or answer simple questions>accuses others of lying>can’t actually point out a single lie>thinks the great plains are the Midwest>thinks the Great Plains were all forests>Violently projects his sociopathy onto othersYWNBB: you will never be a beaver
>>2778482I was talking about the entire great Midwest drainage bason and you're talking about a single expedition and ignoring everything I said.The common practice of midwits is to narrow the focus of the discussion and misrepresent the facts--you've done both.You keep demonstrating you're disingenuous and have no hesitation to lie. This is very very common of timber shills.You admitted Lewis and Clark saw beavers everywhere but pretend those beavers didn't live on trees.If you aren't a bot you have some very deeply rooted mental issues.You're lies are obvious dude. You're almost a cartoon character tier villain in something made as a warning for children.
>>2778383>He’s told several lies already>Super dishonest dude>my whole point, which they continue to lie about>theyKek he got btfo so hard he went full schizo
>>2778491>OP posts a map of the Great Plains>Is it true the grasslands were all forest before they chopped it down and killed the beavers?>They were dispersed wetlands with riparian forests>in the midwest>How many beavers were in the great Midwest drainage basin?>in the midwest >topic is great plains>What did Louis and Clark see everywhere>Vast plains>"void of timber>"boundless pasture">you're talking about a single expedition>backpedaling>You admitted Lewis and Clark saw beavers everywhere but pretend those beavers didn't live on trees.You have never been to Montana or the Dakotas so you dont know. The riparian habitat on the Great Plains extends only yards from the water source. So, while there being a lot of creeks and some rivers for beavers to thrive, the VAST majority of the countryside is semi-arid plains DEVOID of trees. Lewis and Clark often had trouble finding wood for camp despite them being on the banks of the river. So, there were def a lot of beavers on the creeks (which is why Colter turned around and went back) but that does not translate to the Great Plains actually being covered forests. Only a retard would think or suggest that. PicRel is decision point. L&C spent 5 days here deciding which way to go. It hasnt changed much since then. The Missouri is the biggest river in the Great plains. You can see the riparian habitat is confined the river bottom which is quite small in relation to the surrounding plains. As Patrick Gass described the headwaters of the Missouri: "a verry pleasant part of the country in this valley, which appears to be 10 or 12 miles wide all Smooth prarie except a fiew groves of cotton trees willows & bushes beaver dams &C. on the River"TLDR: the Great Plains are not the midwest. Lewis and Clark encountered a lot of beavers on the waterways in the great plains but those water ways constitute a tiny portion of the landscape. The Great Plains were not covered in forest before they killed all the beavers.
>>2778543>You've never been to MontanaMy family owns massive swaths of land and has one of the oldest brands in the US.>>2778543>The riparian plains extends only yards from the water sourceToday--not 100 years ago>lewis and clarkThere you go again trying to shift their expedition as representative of the whole midwest drainage basin and lie about beavers eating grass.the picture you took is what it looks like today and pretending it's representative of 100 years ago is a bold faced lie. Most of the ephemeral streams today had water in them year round when there were beaver dams.Picrel is a map of the great planes you disingenous piece of garbage. Texas and olkahoma used to have much larger forests.>>2778529I get it dude, you're a sociopath I didn't need more proof but there it is.
>>2773818Oklahoma and Texas used to have way bigger forests than today and many many more beavers that bult dams in all the tributaries feeding the entire Mississippi/Missouri drainage basin. Every large blue line depicted on this map has hundreds if not thousands of little blue lines to numerous to be depicted on this map and those were all beaver dams with riparian forest.
>>2778543>TLDRThe great plains are part of the great Midwest drainage basin. Lewis and Clark encountered beavers in almost every river they came acrossIf you look at the drainage basin map, which you haven't because you clearly cant read maps, it is completly covered with stream that were full of hundreds of millions of beaversThe great planes had loosely connected wetlands with significantly more forest than today.The rest is you misrepresenting what I'm saying because that's what you do.
>>2778545>>2778546>>2778552>>2778545>There you go again trying to shift their expedition as representative of the whole midwest drainage basinOP specifically was refering to the Great plains. You have not provided a single shred of evidence to support your claim that the Great Plains were really covered in forests when L&C went thru. Why is that? >not 100 years agoprove it. Why do you ignore the all the descriptions from expedition participants that prove that you are full of shit"all Smooth prarie except a fiew groves of cotton trees willows & bushes beaver dams &C. on the River"By all means keep digging yourself a bigger hole. LOL
>>2778640>No PROOF>Ignores the hundreds of millions of beavers that were extracted from the great midwest drainage basin >Ignores the drainage maps >Pretends I said coveredWhat I said is there was significantly more, I never ever said covered--that's always been you misrepresenting (lying) about what I've said.>Ignore the descriptions of the expiditionI haven't--you are pretending it's representative of the entire great planes while paradoxically pretending beavers live on grass.>all smooth prairiesI said the high ground (which there was a lot) was covered in grass and all the ephemeral streams today were mostly beaver ponds. They aren't smooth they are rolling-very subtle-hills but they absolutely are not smooth.So, again you're pretending the great plains aren't part of the great midwest drainage bason; are pretending that I said "covered" when I said "significantly more" and are misrepresenting everything I'm saying while ignoring all the maps that prove you're an idiot.There is no hole, there you using Don Lemon tier logic to misrepresent what I say or outright ignore it.Texas and oklahoma are part of the great plains you mouth breathing moron. The real problem is you can't comprehend a drainage basin map.If you could actually read a terrain map, which it is very clear you cant, the math is simple: 100,000,000 beavers lived in the entire mid west drainage basin--of which the great plains are a part of--which would host significantly more riparian forest (exponentially) than we see today.I never ever said covered with forest--that was always you lying. So, socipath--keep going; you keep proving me right and your mental disorder is truly truly amazing.
>>2778653>>Ignores the hundreds of millions of beaversbullshit you lying cunt. I fully acknowledged all the beavers L&C encountered. Still not proof the Great plains were really forests>I never ever said coveredlol. Backpedalling in earnest now.This was the original question>is it true the grasslands were all forest before they chopped it down and killed the beavers?To which I replied>No.to which you replied retardedly:>>I don't know anything about the ecological history of north America: the postWhich implies you DO think the grasslands were all forests before they chopped it downYou are getting BTFO and you cannot handle it. Your autism will not let you accept that fact that you are just fucking wrong. >you are pretending it's representative of the entire great planesL&C traveled right thru the heart of the great plains for ~ 2000 miles. Describing it in great detail. They never mentioned vast forests. In fact, the first mention of "forest" in the journals doesnt occur until they reach the Rockies. Why? But they did mention vast plains "void of timber" and "boundless pasture" as far as the eye could see. >pretending beavers live on grass.fuck off with this disingenious, lying bullshit. They ate cottonwood and willow. In fact, Lewis noted they prefered the narrow leaf cottonwood to the other 2 types of cottonwood found in the creek beds. The presence of beavers does not mean the plains were really covered in forests.>>2778545>not 100 years agoStill nothing you said is in any way proof or evidence of your claim. Please provide some- just reeeing about beavers doesnt constitute evidence. Meanwhile people who WERE THERE over 200yrs ago described the terrrain in great detail...which you completely ignore. So, please reply with more reeeeing and projection. None of that changes the fact the great plains were not covered in forests before they killed all the beavers.
>>2778653>>2778675>Meanwhile people who WERE THERE over 200yrs ago described the terrrain in great detailhere is a great example- somewhere in present day Nebraska "July 19th afte[r] breakfast which was on a rosted Ribs of a Deer a little and a little Coffee I walked on Shore intending only to Keep up with the Boat, Soon after I got on Shore, Saw Some fresh elk Sign, which I was induced to prosue those animals by their track to the hills after assending and passing thro a narrow Strip of wood Land, Came Suddenly into an open and bound less Prarie, I Say bound less because I could not See the extent of the plain in any Derection, the timber appeared to be confined to the River Creeks & Small branches, this Prarie was Covered with grass about 18 Inches or 2 feat high and contained little of any thing else, except as before mentioned on the River Creeks &c, This prospect was So Sudden & entertaining that I forgot the object of my prosute and turned my attention to the Variety which presented themselves to my view"Who logged the prairie?
Didn't read. The goal of the Lewis and Clark expedition was to find a waterway that lead to the west coast for trade it was not to explore the great planes. They stayed on the Missouri River and did not explore the tributaries.Beavers do not live on the Mississippi. Beavers live on all the feeder rivers and small streams that feed it.Claiming that Lewis and Clark left the Mississippi to explore the great planes is a lie. Claiming that the single expedition done by Lewis and Clark that followed the Mississippi to Montana can encapsulate the great plains biome is a lie.You're either a disingenuous lar or verry, very, very stupid. The great planes drainage basin is ideal beaver habitat and beavers didn't' live on gras like you claim.>>2778640>>2778653>>2778675>>2778703
>>2779098>*Mississippi MissouriMy bad. Beavers don't live on either of them--they live on the small rivers, not the big ones. You see them on the big rivers (and in the oceans) but they live in lodges adjacent to dams (on small rivers not big ones).
>>2779098>Didn't read.you should have you would have learned something.>beavers didn't' live on gras like you claim.where is this claim? Can you offer any evidence that the great plains biome was any different than that described L&C?>My bad.Indeed. Thats become a patternhttps://lewis-clark.org/sciences/mammals/beaver/
>>2767783Then, as now, no one was interested in saving it.(((They))) were only interested in developing it and profiting from it.
>>2779115>If I repeat the same lie over and over that makes it true.yes, the pattern of you lying and misconstruing the truth and obfuscating facts is a very obvious pattern.The Lewis and Clark Expedition followed the Mississippi to the Missouri river and was searching for an inland passage to the west.It did not explore the great planes--it followed the river.You have no argument--just a bunch of lies you keep repeating.You have a mental disorder. >>2779137yeah, the dude is a corporate boot licker obviously he thinks like they do and lies the same way.
>>2779149>cant answer the questions>cant provide any evidence for claims>ignores evidence to the contrary>keeps reeeing with projectionlol
>>2779152You're a psychopath. Stop pretending you're interested in anything I've said because what you haven't ignored, which is most of it, you've misrepresented or lied about.
>>2779174>Gets BTFO>projectsmany such cases. sad!
>>2767783you people are fucking insufferable.
>>2779581>reee he didn't counter my logical fallacy and just kept calling me out for lying--lol I win!Ok don lemon
>>2780816I never lied you fucking retard.
>>2777956There are subspecies of Bison that live entirely in the forest in Europe and North America. And Antelope are giraffids which can eat a diet of mostly tree leaves as their staple but can also graze on grasses as well, they are most adapted to savanna (areas with up to 30% forest cover 70% grass cover). During the ice age (only 12kya) before the great North American floods, much of the great plains and southern Europe would have been woody park land and taiga and tundra, similar to northern Alberta today. Mammoths lived as far south as Mexico.
>>2781759Pronghorn are not actually antelope. Why do they run so fast?
>>2781754>I never lied>Claims one expedition from the Missouri river is representative of the Great Midwest drainage basinLOLOk, add gaslighting to the list, don lemon.
>>2781759He's not here to discuss. Facts don't matter at all to them. The amount of dishonesty is clearly driven by some sort of sociopathy. Estimates of 300,000,000 to 400,000,000 beavers removed from the great midwest drainage bason, which they still refuse to admit covers most of the great planes, doesn't matter at all to them. Their entire narrative is "Lewis and clark didn't document anything not on or immediately adjacent to the Missouri therefore it didn't exsist".."except ignore all those beavers they saw migrating or looking for mates"
>>2781776>Midwest drainage basin>topic is Great PlainsCan you point out where I made that claim? And when you don’t or can’t then perhaps you can explain why you are lying…
>>2781778So many words, such a little substance. You are not intellectually honest, and therefore a very poor debater. > nevermind that Lewis and Clark took many side trips up tributaries and some of the corps members spent days away from the river, traveling the plains hunting.Your narrative is that Lewis and Clark didn’t see the great plains, because they only traveled on the river… it’s got to be one of the most retarded takes I’ve ever heard on this board.
>>2781767They are incorrectly called antelope in America but they are still of the giraffid family and their main habitat historically is savannah, even in America. Hills and mounds and basins used to be covered in forest, similar to modern day northern Saskatchewan and Alberta and a teensy tiny part of North Dakota. Not to mention every single wash and creek basin was completely forested for its entire length.
>>2781767Oh and if you want to see direct megaflood evidence that washed away a lot of ancient forest, look at Nebraska, 200 mile wide ripples, right next to a forested hilly region.
>>2781798>>2781801>The great midwest drainage basin doesn't cover the great planes >It is retarded to say that lewis and clark never left the Missouri that their observations aren't representative of the 180 Million acres of the great planesok don lemonKeep on lighting that gas>>2781815>>2781811Representative data and coherent logic clearly is beyond the capability of this bot.
>>2781823You ever look at a satellite image map of the high great plains? There's still a few locations of native forest left over after the floods and after white settlement (the number one demographic that murdered forests, uneducated whites, and ironically the number one demographic that plants forests is educated whites).
>>2781827I look at them all the time. The are almost innumerable draws and ephemeral streams that were once loaded with beavers and wetlands. This isn't unique to whites. Asia, south america, and africa all have evidence of centuries of deforestation. I do despise cristcucks for their manipulation of "curating the earth" to mean do whatever the fuck you want to the land.
>>2781830I mistook you for the other poster. I agree with you we need more beavers, wetlands, and forests everywhere. A lot of people don't realize that one dedicated man can plant several thousand trees in his free time.
amused to see that there's a Lewis & Clark fandom and they're at each other's throats
That's rough, buddy.
>>2767783thats a incorrect map the great plains also includes most of eastern iowa and east minnesota
>>2782284>eastern iowa and east minnesotadont you mean western MN/IA?
>>2767783>I could have saved it
>>2777411what goes on here?
>>2783541The highest murder rate in the United States.
>>2781811>Not to mention every single wash and creek basin was completely forested for its entire length.>”forested” with willow, dogwood, choke cherry and snowberryLol. It’s ironic then that Lewis and Clark often had trouble finding firewood even though they were on the biggest source of riparian habitat in the great plains and even had to move fort Mandan to a better spot for lack of wood to build it with.A lot of the riparian habitat in the plains is/was just willows and shrubs. Some stands of cottonwood for sure but a lot of shrub dominated and even tall grass dominated riparian habitat.
>>2783646>The biggest source of riparian habitatYou're very dumb. Beavers don't live in the main channels of massive rivers--they live in the feeder streams. Here goes Don Lemon repeating the same lie that one trip up the Missouri is representative of the entire Midwest drainage basin.Have you ever tried to burn fresh cut choke cherry? You don't know anything about anything.
>>2783661>still reeeeing about beavers>doesn’t know the Missouri is full of side channels and back waters full of beaver habitat>Ignores all the beaver Lewis and Clark ate on the Missouri>Still no evidence the great plains were really covered in forest.Lol.
>>2783766I never said the great planes were covered in forest--another lie by you.Good work Don Lemon, way to circle back on the same lies you tell over and over.Quote the passage where they talk about not being able to find firewood: Protip for anyone reading this drivel, he wont.
>>2783766Let me help you out Don, even though you're still claiming the missouri river is representative of the entire midwest and making circular argumentshttps://lewisandclarkjournals.unl.edu/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&qfield=text&qtext=firewood"But much if not all of this was unimagined during the first days of travel beyond Canoe Camp. For nearly a week the expedition struggled with the twists, turns, and rapids of the Clearwater and Snake. As Lewis and Clark neared the Columbia-Snake confluence, they constantly had to deal with dangerous rocks, capsized canoes, and wet gear. Fully occupied in navigating through the many Snake River rapids, the explorers perhaps missed the subtle signs that they were approaching the eastern edge of the great Columbia Plain. One indication they did record was the growing scarcity of firewood. "For clarity--they had firewood issues on the Columbia which is NOT even part of the great planes.I look forward to Don's next feat of mental gymnastics.
>>2783787>you're still claiming the missouri river is representative of the entire MidwestWhere is this claim? The topic is the great plains per the pic in OP’s post you fucking retard>not being able to find firewoodI never said that. I said they had a hard time finding it at times. Nevertheless….“ The morning was clear and cold. We embarked after breakfast; passed a small creek on the north side and a beautiful valley on the same side. Timber is very scarce, and only some few scattering trees along the river. Our hunters [21] came in at noon, who had been out all day yesterday: they had killed 5 deer and a goat. There are a few deer and goats in this part of the country; and otter and beaver in plenty along the river, but no other kind of game that we could discover… We went 15 miles and encamped on the South side where we had great difficulty in procuring a sufficient quantity of wood to cook with.Plenty of beaver and yet timber was scarce lol“ Here the river turns at right angles to the left, till it reaches the hills on the south side, then winds gradually to the right. There is no timber in this part of the country; but continued prairie on both sides of the river. A person by going on one of the hills may have a view as far as the eye can reach without any obstruction, or intervening object; and enjoy the most delightful prospects”“They also found the Yellow-Stone river a pleasant and navigable stream, with a rich soil along it; but timber scarce.”“ We set out early in a fine morning, and passed through a desert country; in which there is no timber on any part, except a few scattered pines on the hills”Clark:“Saw a gange of Elk as we had no provision Concluded to kill Some Killd two and dined being oblige to Substitute dry buffalow dung in place of wood”“Those plains are leavel without much water and no timber all the timber on the Stone River would not thickly timber 100 acres of land.”Lol
>>2783825LOLLook at him go lads.So you just admitted that the Lewis and Clark expedition doesn't support any of your claims about riparian forests in the great planes. Thanks--that's all you needed to say.I accept your concession. That was the foundation of your argument about the forest cover of the great planes and you just admitted it isn't true.So, in conclusion, the great midwest drainage bason, which covers much of the great planes, used to have significantly more forest coverage than today and was loaded with wetlands made by hundreds of millions of beavers and the associated riparian habitat.Also--cite your sources. I gave a link to where I pulled my quote from and you just magically pulled your quotes out of thin air. Try again."a few pine on the hills" lolol but no forests amirite... lol gaslight more Don lemon.To educate you, yet again because you keep forgetting what I tell you, Beavers do not live in main arterial rivers they live in the side streams that feed the main rivers--the beavers eaten by lewis and clark were transient, not living in an established wetland or were at the end of a wetland chain which can extended the entire length of a tributary stream.You don't know anything about anything..
>>2783849>cant answer>gets completely BTFO>keeps reeeing about the Midwest when the topic is the Great Plains>wishes he was a beaver>triggeredLol. >Try againAre you saying i made it up? Getting desperate lolIts Gass’s journal:https://lewisandclarkjournals.unl.edu/item/lc.jrn.1805-08-14You lose.
>>2783849>the beavers eaten by lewis and clark were transient,My sides!!! The amount of retardation and autism-based cope to make this statement is profound. When is your next therapy appointment? You might want to mention this episode. Lol
>>2783866>>2783867Thanks for proving me right in every statement that I've made, Don Lemon. Your incoherent rage is truly impressive and I do appreciate your concession, as incoherent and disjointed as it is as the rest of your nonsensical rambling.At no point did you address or even comprehend any of my arguments nor validate any of yours. LOL.
>>2783825>https://lewisandclarkjournals.unl.edu/item/lc.jrn.1805-08-14"Courses and distances traveled by Capt. Clark.August 14th 1805.S. 14° W. 7 to the gap of the mountain at the rattlesnake Clifts where theriver enters the mountains. the same being 16 miles by themeanders of the river. the river cold shoally and one con-tinued rapid throughout. passed a number of small Islandsand bayous on either side. passed bold running stream onStard. at 1 M. called track Creek. also another at 6 M. higherup, on Lard. side and encamped on Lard. 2 Miles by watershort of the extremity of this course distance by land scarcely½ a MileMiles7 "All the journal entries you listed, from August 14th were written in Beaverhead county Montana--that is in WESTERN Montana and not even in the great planes.That's why you didn't post the source at first and jumped straight into incoherent rage when I asked for it.Fucking priceless don lemon, absolutely priceless. I just assumed you are here to shit up this thread and that truth doesn't matter to you at all and here you keep proving me right.
>>2783870>>2783872Didnt read lol
>>2783394imagine the wars that could've been fought
>>2783878I know--that was the whole point of my post!LOL Yet again you admit I'm right about something else.
>>2771891100% wrong.The forests were leveled for agriculture after all the beavers were eradicated.
>>2783914>imagine the wars that could've been foughtAnon. How do you think the ice age ended? The nuclear exchange duing the finno-korean hyperwar melted most of the ice caps
>>2767783>>2767786>Is it true the grasslands were all forest before they chopped it down and killed the beavers?No
>>2783941who is she? so beautiful, i wanna camp with her
>>2784309stop watching porn faggot
>>2783971>>2784309>>2784331These are bots.
>>2783541Don't worry about it.
not the same but>tfw live in desert and wish I could have my own wetlands
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