I'm addicted to appreciating natural beauty, and this is the evolution of that. I live on the Olympic peninsula and have been taking my bike on solo camping trips in Olympic national forest as well as many day trips.My "goal" is to try to go as deep and long into the wilderness as I can, but this is for the purpose of enjoying the wilderness to the fullest. I'm just a beginner but am learning with each trip and nerd out obsessively researching things.It feels like the ultimate open-world video game. Of course this is precisely the kind of experience that such games emulate.My bicycle is a Surly Ogre which is ideal for my purposes and rides like a dream. It has an overbuilt chromoly steel frame to be bombproof and handle lots of weight.
>>2771127Neat.Have you found the 700 year old Cedar and stand of 300+ year old spruce at Murdock beach yet? Pretty gucchi and most tourists walk right by them because they're not on the trail/beach. Highway 112 is kinda sketch for bikers though...The old park road that follows the Elwah is a great way to access trail heads by bike... lots of people ride their bikes to the un-paved trails above the old damn site and ditch their bikes and keep going.
>>2771127I've been cycling for years now, the ride won't end, I got water filters,shovel,axe,electricity, a nice kitchen and tires that don't go flat so I can run over cactus and barb wire and thorns, I even have a spare wheel mounted under my trailer, this set up can face the apocalypse and keep rolling,
>>2771127Why do women need so much shit with them?I bet one whole bag is fill with make-up and beauty products
>>2771230Atleast she bikes.I'd take her over 99% of the psychopath whores from seattle. It's probably a dude though.
Isnt there a bikepacking guide for absolute beginners somewhere? I can’t for the life of my find anything if the sort. I propose we use this thread to talk all about it.What biike? What bare minimums, gear wise? How to deal with different weather types and seasons (extreme winters, very hot summers, downpour), essentially, how do you not die to exposure?How would financing the journeys go? Do you even need to finance them? Can you just use water filters and a weekend hunting course?Are there any recommended physical prerequisites (i.e. you need to be able to bike x miles in y hours with z weight)Etc etc.
>>2771127Wheeled vehicles aren't allowed in designated wilderness areas.
>>2771127I got myself a Naked touring touring bike with S & S couplers, made by a custom builder Sam Wittingham on Quadra Island. Bought 2nd hand for $1100.I had agreed on $1200, but he lost the special wrench used on the couplers, so reduced the price. I had Seated on Craigslist a few weeks earlier and called him immediately but he said that somebody was already coming to look at it so I put it out of my mind. I saw the ad a few weeks later and called him up again he said the guy never showed so I did.Has the stronger tubes for loaded travel, gripshift, and lots of mounting points for racks and fenders. Only problem is it's days and forks are a little limited on the sizes of tires you can offer on 700c Wheels so I was thinking of converting it to a 26 in wheel so I can get around that.Not sure about using panniers, but I have a BOB trailer and sack.
>>2771861Wheelchair people btfo
>>2771893They can use mobility horses.
>>2771127>spending all this money to go biking for 45 minutes
>>2771259>How would financing the journeys go?It's called a job.Once on tour your only expenses are food, you can afford food, can't you?
>>2771259https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4yMKKxgAtNw
>>2771127Why do you lug that big pole around?
>>2772097Once you grow out of memepacking and get a rear rack, you might as well just put panniers on it.You have my personal guarantee, you will not be riding in places where your handlebars and body can fit but the panniers somehow don't.
>>2772120Panniers = extra weight & drag, a packs more versatile & doesn't encourage you to bring more than you'll actually need like panniers do. imho
>>2772139How many gallons of water do you pack? I pack 3 gallons sometimes 4, that's only 3 or 4 days before something crucial needs to be done and this thread is about staying/out/ as long as possible on a cycle, water probably isn't going to be a problem where op is but other places it is
>>2771230>>2771237>WomanYeah this one posted before talking about what fursona (or was it some dragon fucking Shit?) His Bike has.
>>2772139>More versatile I think a rack and pannier is a lot more versatile than 10 different small bags.
>>2772173Damn bro where the hell do you ride that you need 3 gallons?
>>2772201
>>2772199>10 different small bags1 pack on a rear rack, 2 stem bags & 1 handlebar bag. Whatever floats your boat, but I'll do more miles with less.
>>27721734 litres max, all roads lead to water.
It's not about going from point a to b it's about being out as long as possible this includes going off road to camp for days or weeks, as far as miles go when exploring you are more about the square of the land than the line across it, it's a whole other dimension
>>2772061>80 IQ public educated retard takeNot everyone is as dumb as you are lad.
>>2771198gotta say that's pretty next level, friend
>>2772215I honestly think it's a dunning Kruger thing.I'm also for less bags and something pretty close to a meme packing set up because it's proven to work for me.but people will look at it and just go "no I want only fully loaded rear paniers"idk, I guess just get out and try shit.bikepacking is fun.
>>2771259There are of course many, many books about backpacking; most of their considerations apply equally to camping off of your bike, especially as they're even more anal about weight and distribution, for good reason. I like The Complete Walker by Colin Fletcher, even though even the most recent edition is now quite old and the specific gear recs are out of date. Recent editions are well into the era of plastic-alloy-and-"Tek Fabric" everything anyway, and you should learn all you need to about taking a long camping trip...There have also been many books about bike/cycle touring; they can get unnecessarily opinionated and navel-gazy about technology because cycling has had such distinct eras, but if you take it with a grain of salt and combine with the above book you'll know what you need to. IMHO "bikepacking" is something of a meme term born out of the current need to continuously fracture and rename everything known to man. Especially so when you realize oldschool touring bosses 100+ years ago were largely getting into the woods on shit roads. But I guess it don't matta.As far as bikes go, learn a little about frames, what makes a "touring bike," get a bike and get comfortable, above all ride it a lot. If you go out and start doing multiple-day jaunts as a beginner you'll probably be miserable. First-gen mountain bikes from the 80's have geometry similar to a touring bike, they handle the weight, room for big tires for innawoods, many already have attachment points for the racks and things you will need, and these days you can score an excellent one for $200 or less if you keep your eyes on craigslist etc. Get a friend who knows a little about bikes to tell you if it's a good one, or ask /n/. Don't listen to the consoomers unless you have a lot of extra money, top-line 80's bikes are often lighter and more spry than new steel equivalents, and always cheaper>>>/n/2016856
>>2771127As chance has it, I'm currently on such a trip. I'm going from Hanoi to Bangkok via Laos. I bought a new trekking bike for 100$ in Hanoi. Unfortunately it only sports 26" wheels, but the Vietnemese are short on average and my usual 28" would have been outside of the budget, just like flying in my bike from Europe. Initially, I wanted to buy a used bike the flea market or something, but the options were meager. What I ended up with seems sturdy enough, though also cheap, kinda paradoxically. It has 3x7 gears of which I pretty much exclusively use the highest one, which is still rather slow. The disc brakes are squeaky but work like a charm so far. I could honestly do without the shocks at the front they're not really useful and only use weight. Plus, I'm always apprehensive of those things, once had the lower part slide out of the upper part during a small jump (from sidewalk to pavement), landed on my face and got knocked out for a bit.Did 92 km the first day and 147 the second. The whole route is 1275 km. So far so good, had to change one tube, orher than that no mechanical issues, but my dick and inner thighs hurt from all the friction. Need to buy more spare tubes and skin cream.As for equipment, I have a hiking backpack, a small tent, plastic planes to keep my stuff sort of dry and a few changes of clothes. You can buy dry parashooter rations at convenience stores here, of which I now own a considerable stock for times when there won't be small restaurants lining the road. Up until now, I've been eating Pho everyday.What I'm puzzeling over currently is what I'm gonna do with my dirty laundry, even if I manage to wash it, I don't wanna hang around to dry it, nevermind the constant rain I've been subjected to these last 2 days.>>2771198You mean to say you do this indefinitely??? Surely not, right?>>2771259You just go, dude.
>>2772460>There are of course many, many books about backpacking; most of their considerations apply equally to camping off of your bike, especially as they're even more anal about weight and distribution, for good reason. I like The Complete Walker by Colin Fletcher, even though even the most recent edition is now quite old and the specific gear recs are out of date. Recent editions are well into the era of plastic-alloy-and-"Tek Fabric" everything anyway, and you should learn all you need to about taking a long camping trip...please for the love of god anon share all the books you like with a QRD on each of them and I will pray you get a tomboy dommy mommy gf tonight
>>2771237Its some insane retard from /x who rapes his bike and thinks he is James Bond irl.>Yeah he fucked that thing
>>2771127That seat looks really uncomfortable
>>2772692BUMP!The only homo here is you and your big retarded muh truk
>>2772525Yes, it has been years, before the trike I would backpack but my dog is getting old and I want her to live at ease in her last years, it's like day 20,000 outside
>>2772525Also buying a cheap bike and just sending it is admirable,respect
thoughts on gates belt drive?
>>2774514Solution in search of a problem, and it forces you to use a gear hub or a pinion gearbox, both of which will introduce drag and a weight penalty.And I don't know about rohloffs and pinions, but I've had first hand experience with alfine and know it likes to skip under heavy torque (aka when you need it the most).
>>2774531whats the difference between a internal gear hub and a gearbox? does skipping damage the gearhub? ive seen people say you cant pedal while changing gears on an alfineI think the nearly zero maintenance promise of the belt gives it a niche, especially for touring, no? a closed system is also certainly more resistant to seizing up in snow or mud like a derailleur will
>>2774535Gear hub is in the hub (duh) and a gearbox is in the frame. A gearbox means less rotating mass and (possibly) slightly better efficiency, but it requires a frame made specifically for it.But then a belt drive already requires a frame made specifically for it.And unless you're riding tens of thousands of miles away from any sort of civilization (so basically only sub-saharan Africa or maybe the more remote parts of Russia, Mongolia and the neighboring -stans), drivetrain maintenance is a non-issue. Just replace the chains and cogs as they wear. Snow is a non-issue and if the mud is thick enough to cause problems with a derailleur, it would probably also make your belt come off.
>>2774531Holy shit Rohloffs are expensive
>>2774555Don't look up pinion compatible frames.
>>2774549ty for the reply. how fucked am I if I just impulse bought an alfine bike I got a deal on
>>2771872Me again just added another one of these bikes except this time it's a titanium road bike but for some reason the owner got a set of panniers and a custom titanium rack to go with it. He just sent me the receipt for it it was 2015 it was just under $10,000 for the whole thing and I got it for $3,300
>>2775240Are you gonna take it /out/
>>2775254I want some fenders on it but I can wait a few days on that and try it out. I live out and see the sky country near Whistler so it's good place to do that
daily reminder that you are replying to a furry troon that is desperate for your attention because no one on /n/ would pay attention to him otherwise
>>2775257Took it for 50 km shakedown cruise, the Brooks love their saddle is going to need some time to break in. I remembered now why I don't use them from my race bikes because of the extra height it has and I have to put the seat post in a bit. I also have to raise the Horn of the saddle a little bit as I'm sliding forward when I'm riding hands-free. Not sure about the Brooks leather bar wrap either it's a tiny bit slippery but maybe I just need different gloves for it. It's got lots of room for large carcass tires with knobby's and it has fender mounts. Also it's built for white off-road Duty
>>2775874When are we gonna see some pics of these bikes>>2775271projecting
Imagine going over mountains with a trike and trailer
Exploring
Crossing a continent
>>2777207>>2777206>>2777205Neat, thanks for sharing anon.
i'm planning a week long biking/camping trip through germany's eifel region, first time doing something of the sort. unsure about the concept of 'bikepacking' though. sure it'd be nice to stay off the asphalt but mountainbiking has always left somewhat of a bitter taste in my mouth, i guess from an environmental and respect towards other people on the trail, with 'singletrack' in mind mostly. one could also argue that there's no need to rush innawoods to begin with.still looking forward to my trip though; the route i'm planning is distributed more or less evenly across paved and unpaved roads, should help me getting a better sense of judgement for possible future biking trips. if this thread is still up by the time i get back i suppose i can share some of my experience in here too.>>2777206this shit rocks though, nice anon
oh and my bad for doubleposting but >>2772525 good shit as well, do keep updating
>>2771198That bike does not look trusty at all. Whats your average speed?
I've been dreaming about doing a cross country trip for awhile now... but the problem is I have a 90lb dog. So lately I've been thinking about buying a trailer.You guys ever see someone drag a big ass dog around for long distances?
Any bike recs for tall fucks? I think I need ~500/650mm reach/stack. Only one I can find that even comes close is the Kona Unit with 510/615mm
>>2779930It a trike and it went over the mountains which is the best test of trust, silly goose
>>2780221Kona unit is a damn solid bike
>>2780332unfortunately it is likely too small.
>>2777205>>2777206>>2777207I am very jealous of your adventure. What have been some of the highs and lows you've had along the way? Any tips for someone that wants to tow a trailer like yours?
how do you keep a cell phone charged?? do you need to waste energy from your wheels with some weird resistance thing? is there a better way? batteries are kind of heavy
>>2781326>how do you keep a cell phone charged??Big powerbank with enough juice to keep my phone charged for a week with quickcharge 4 and charger that can support it, stop somewhere with access to a socket once a week and you can keep your phone going.Fast chagrining is important because for example I make half an hour stop for a dinner and they let me use their socket to charge my power bank, if I had to basic 1 amp charger I would get mere 2.5 watthours in that time but with quickcharge 4 on my bank and charger I can get about 20 watthours charged. I tried solar panel on my rear panniers but unless it got direct unobstructed midday sunlight voltage would be so low my powerbank wouldn't detect it and even in ideal conditions it doesn't output much, imo only worth it if you are going somewhere with little to no access to electricity >do you need to waste energy from your wheels with some weird resistance thing?God no, don't use that thing, it requires complicated installation or whole new wheel, introduces resistance and weight even when not working and when it works it has low output and low efficiency so you don't even get that much for all that resistance when it's running, worse than a solar panel. >batteries are kind of heavyYeah but it's worth it, you don't want to run out of charge in the middle of nowhere
>>2781332I'm wondering what to do on a month's long hike. The weight of the battery would be significantly more important in this case
>>2781334Are you going to be hiking far away from civilization with no access to electricity somewhen from Spring to early Autumn when sun is high and where sky is clear most of the time?Then do consider getting a solar panel. I have talked with a guy who had one with built in power bank and he would place it in the sun every time he rested and when he was walking he would hang it over his backpack and apparently it did give him a fair bit of charge, just enough to keep his phone alive when he wasn't using it much.However if you aren't going any further than 3 days away from a power socket you are better of just getting power bank of the same weight as your solar panel.And if you are planning your long hike during late Autumn or winter or somewhere with constant overcast sky then solar won't amount to much so you'll have to suck up increased weight of battery if you want to keep your phone alive.
>>2781344it's interesting to me that he was able to get it to work. sounds like the conditions have to be just right in order for it to be useful at all
>>2781365>it's interesting to me that he was able to get it to workIt was the middle of sunny summer so it's not surprising. What is worth nothing is how important the panel's angle to the sun is, usually just leaving your panel aimed directly at unobstructed sun for an hour will give you more charge than half a day of it hanging vertically on your backpack but hanging it is still worth it usually because you still get some charge out of it just like when it's overcast or in light shade.>sounds like the conditions have to be just right in order for it to be useful at allThat's exactly how it is, it's only worth it if you have a lot of strong and unobstructed sunlight during your trip.
>>2781470I would not want to hike for months in direct sunlight
I'll be bicycling into East Palestine, Ohio this weekend. I live about 30 miles from there.
>>2781535Don't forget to take a hazmat suit and enough air supply to cross the whole zone
Sounds amazing!
>>2777207trike-bro, find some recycled cardboard//plastic sheets/bags and /diy/ yourself some fairings>Kansas welcomes youespecially in flat areas, where the weight penalty is negligible. There's a few different types to try, but they should all give you noticeable food-cost gains if you're really pedaling across the country
whoa the fuck are you have you no addapted to drinking non boiled water fuckinbg fffucccccckkccikiwkwqdnwq,jkdjflkejqklw
>>2780221What kind of bike are we talking, road, all road, trail, bike packing etc? If looking for hard tails like the Kona most of there bikes with more upright geometry in 58 or 60cm should work. I think the large Jones also works for that, Surly Grappler, also in the drop bar category. Otherwise you may need to build up from a frame. Crust XXL sizes, Soma 61 or 63cm sizes on the Jawbone, etc. On the cheaper side I would hunt down the biggest decent MTB frame you can find. Spend the money on a handle bar with lots of rise, 70-100mm and you can rebuild the entire drive train for very little. Some of the nicer ones have 7 speed HG hub bodies. If you don't want 3x7 a new driver and 300 odd bucks gets you a brand new 10 or 11spd Deore set up.Everything is going to be a little different. If you can't fine stuff to ride in the local shops I would do a bike fit and find out exactly what size you need. If the goal is to buy a
>>2780059look up svein tuft
>>2783587I was looking for a hard fork for bikepacking, but I'd either need to build it or burn $ on a custom. Probably going with the kona honzo esd, 525r/652s should be big enough.
I wish I could afford winter gear to tour in near and below freezing temperatures
>>2784272Why?Riding in the cold is misery.Camping in the cold is misery.
>>2784274I like snow and I have never done ride longer than a few hours in winter so I want to try but gear I would need for this kind of temperatures is really expensive.
>>2784279You only really need an outer shell (any cheap windbreaker will do) and fleece in varying quantities.Cheap skiing gloves and a windproof cap and you're set. You won't be comfortable but you won't be cold, and pricey cycling specific gear is only marginally better.
>>2784284My problem are tires, tent and sleeping bag mostly, I would need a new sleeping bag for this temperature, tent has old fibreglass poles that get really brittle in cold I would need to replace with aluminium and I would obviously need new tires for snow and ice, getting all of those would get expensive.Clothes are also a problem, I have stuff for riding in low temperatures but shoes and trousers just wouldn't be good enough for rides this long, I would need something new.Unfortunately I'm not in a good spot cash wise atm so I just can't afford it all this year.
>>2771127Bro, you have the same pedals as me.Awesome pannier bags. I'm saving to get a set like that!
going on my first bikepacking trip this weekend. wish me luck bros
>>2785464blessedirt.
I'm considering getting a bike again (been a little over a year since I've had one), living questionable area so would be keeping the bike indoors, but with how my room is (at least currently) a bike would take up a decent bit of space, and shared accommodation so I don't want to take up shared space (despite the other 2 tenants not minding) - are there non-damaging wall mounts? I'm a rentf*g and landlord has told me no on previous occasions (such as taping a cable along the ceiling for wired internet because "it might peel the paint") and while I probably could screw in a wall mount without them finding out for at least another few months, I don't think I want to deal with paying for "damages" since that's what they're shit themselves about
>>2787014actually, adding on to this, what would be a good bike for (probably infrequent) bikepacking, majority would be cycling to and from work (~10-15 minutes each way?)? likely wouldn't be doing any major packing if it matters, but I don't think I'd be quite ready spending over a thousand the last bike I had was something from Giant with 26" wheels, that's the extent that I recall would larger tyres be better? wider tyred?
>>2777205>>2777206>>2777207Be careful on the roads fren. Must be pretty dangerous in North America, isn't it? Any close calls yet or people being dicks to you?
Went to Cancun with the goal of cycling to Mexico City. Made it 4 days before having to bail due to getting sick.The final day I thought I was going to die on my way to a local bus depot. This was my first trip and it was probably too ambitious. My maps were inaccurate so it through off my resuppling. I'm resting up right now then going to plan some trips in the US.
>>2787385Everything has been wonderful
Anyone toured part of the East Coast Greenway on a bike? I'd like to take a few weeks to travel as a car-free vagabond across a portion of America next summer, before returning to work.
I just bought pic rel for $800 thanks to a sale and some rewards cash. Did I do good?https://www.rei.com/product/220761/co-op-cycles-adv-11-bike?color=MARITIME%2520NAVY&store=129I want to do the southern route to FL next spring
>>2788787The racks are aluminium so they will snap at some point. It's not a question of if, but when. Probably won't happen on your first tour but you'll want to upgrade to steel ones eventually.
