do anons have any fabric/fiber recommendations for clothing that protects against the sun and is not plastic?i assume tighter weaves/knits are also better since there's less air between them, but i also don't want to die of heatstroke
>>2830216Dense cotton or some kind of viscose should work best. In a thin weave, obviously, so it's not too warm.
>>2830218i thought cotton offers barely any sun protection at all
>>2830219https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4053584/You can easily achieve decent sun protection with cotton. Not sure how many companies actually make that kind of garment because most people aren't that averse to synthetics, but it sure is possible.
>>2830225yah but it looks like only interlock and full milano (just barely) cotton fabrics offer decent protectionis wool any good?
Nigger just wear clothing
>>2830219why wouldnt it? if it is opaque to sunlight then it will protect you
>>2830216Smartwool is pretty good.https://www.smartwool.com/
>>2830239Better than cotton apparently, but do you really want to wear wool in weather that requires sun protection?>>2830295>>2830353Literally look at the paperThe worst cotton knit has a UPF of 8, which means you can stay in the sun 8 times as long. If you have the kind of skin that gets sunburnt in 1 hour, then stay in the sun for 8 hours... you get the idea. I generally agree that the kind of people who demand UPF50 or something (which is easily possible for synthetic garments) are overdoing it, but still. Many also worry about skin aging (probably also overdoing it).
>>2830443>do you really want to wear wool in weather that requires sun protection?all weather requires sun protection anoni guess you're kind of comparing a cotton shirt to a wool shirt anyway, i'm not sure which one would be more comfortable i hear people wear thin wool stuff nowadays
>>2830443>do you really want to wear wool in weather that requires sun protection?i think merino is very comfy in the heat and love my duckworth long sleeve shirt. old wool bike jerseys were also a game changer when biking. polyester is probably the most accessible choice as you can commonly find quality brands at the thrift store for cheap. i believe the UPF tax is worth considering, but only for 1-2 key items like a shirt and hat, and only if you're okay with paying like $100 for a garment when you could find more or less the same thing at savers for $10.>>2830749>all weather requires sun protection anonthe single best piece of female beauty advice i've heard is to wear sunscreen every day, especially in winter. it's always worth listening to women about skincare and such, they grow up leaning how to be as beautiful as possible for as long as possible.
>>2830789>wear sunscreen every day, especially in winterI'm not doing that because I'm not gay. If my face has a few wrinkles, my girl can take that as a sign of maturity or something.
>>2830843using moisturizer and sunscreen is not "gay"
>>2830858It is a bit
>>2830865i fail to see how taking minor preventative action against the single most destructive force on earth to skin is at all rational, sorry. just buy a sunscreen stick bro, it takes 5 seconds to apply
>>2830789>merino is very comfy in the heat>old wool bike jerseys were also a game changer when bikingcould you elaborate a bit more on this anon? i know merino wool at least is not very durable (which is why it's often finished with plastic stuff to improve abrasion resistance and other stuff i think)what is your old wool stuff like?i just mainly want to get a good top and bottom that is good in the sun, maybe i will look into gloves as welli know I'm a bit of an autist about sun protection but i think the world as a whole would benefit more from caring about it, it just seems like a lot since a lot of people don't care so it's not very normal
>>2830875its fine that you are using sunscreen, and you correct that it is the wise thing to do, but it IS gay.
>>2830789smearing aluminum paste on your face every day seems like it might be as bad for your skin as a bit of sun
>>2831063>aluminum pasteyoure supposed to use zinc you retard
sorry, point still stands
>>2830875>ohhhh hold on a second guys, I gotta apply my sunscreen!Do you not realize how insanely gay that sounds?
While protection from the sun is important, I'm more worried about being cool and comfortable. What do you guys recommend for good clothing brands for sleeveless tshirts, shorts, regular shirts, etc. and what do you wear when /out/?
>>2831116Do you not realize how insanely brown it sounds to call sunscreen gay?
>>2831163Lol go moisturize gayboy
>>2831163>Wearing sunscreen when /out/ for extended times to prevent sunburntAcceptable>Wearing sunscreen 24/7 to avoid wrinklesGay.
>>2830960wool is way more durable than people think. it's one of the strongest natural fibers. you wanna seek out the highest GSM (grams per square meter) weight that's appropriate for the application. and like every other garment, the stitching quality is very important. you have to wash it by hand so it's not for everyone.my old bike jerseys are just european wool ones from ebay. somewhat hard to find affordable and large enough ones without moth holes, buyer beware. it's just normal 100% lana on the label, nothing special there. the adverts/logos are kinda cool.if you're concerned about sun protection, i think the best bang for your buck would be a 50 UPF sun hoodie and hat. and buy some of those tiny sunscreen sticks that are formed like deodorant, very handy to not slather it on your hands on trail. gloves are overkill, any good sun hoodie will have thumb holes.>>2831116>reach into pocket>rub sunscreen stick on face>can do this while walking>>2831163gottem lmao
>>2831359>you have to wash it by handdoes your washing machine not let you do gentle cycles with cold water?
Post your clothing brands
>>2831388i only recently had full control of my washing machine and i chose a bosch 500 series that does have a wool cycle. it's easy to do a bulk wash and designate a cotton towel for the next machine wash.
>>2831359When people think of wool they think of those chunky ass sweaters that medieval peasants used to wear. Merino wool is insanely comfy and is great at keeping you cool
>>2831490Where do you get your merino stuff from?
>>2830216Normal cotton, don't forget the head.>>2831153 Wet cotton>>2830219Only protects the parts of skin that are covered
>>2830443>UPF of 8, which means you can stay in the sun 8 times as long. If you have the kind of skin that gets sunburnt in 1 hour, then stay in the sun for 8 hours.
>>2831739>Brown man finds out white people exist
>>2831063Some sunscreens use UV blocking chemicals rather than reflective material
>>2832138absorption is always better than reflecting for sun protection as the UV cant reflect off the stuff then off the air then back onto you
>>2831164He fucking got all of you
>>2832224are you retarded? reflecting sunscreens are just better in basically every way (not cost though)absorbing ones break down when they get hit by uv, they dont last as long on skin and you have to reapply constantly. for reflecting ones you only have to reapply if you wipe it off somehow>uv reflecting off the airretard, if uv does this how did it get from outside our atmosphere to inside? it went though a shitload of air and didnt get reflected
>>2831405>/fa/ asking to be spoonfed
>>2831405There's literal thousands of brands, and most of them make decent stuff.
>>2832897its there are, not there is
>>2832898
Don't discuss brands, discuss principles.I got myself a polycotton parka (which is somewhat rare for some reason?) and layer stuff below. The only problem I had last winter is that my layering wasn't thick enough. I have a brutally light loft jacket, some fleece, some merino underwear. IMO that's a great setup, merino for base layer, fleece for a breathable mid layer, loft for a light yet very warm layer. Gonna get myself an actually warm one for next year. Three layers is enough for the pathetic excuse for a winter we get these days; for real winter I would probably rather get four, dunno which layer to duplicate though. In the summer I wear pure synthetic pants, in the winter polycotton. The summer pants are not very durable, but it is what it is. I wear a synthetic button up shirt in summer, without anything below. It has good UV protection for my pasty skin, but it's not very comfortable. Probably going to get a knit sun garment or something soon.
>>2832900>a knit sun garmentAnyone have experiences with those btw.? I would guess they're a bit warmer than a thin weave?
>>2831359>wool is way more durable than people think. it's one of the strongest natural fibersStopped reading right there. The reason wool never caught on as a summer garment is because anything <150gsm falls apart in the fucking washing machine.
>>2832902>falls apart in the fucking washing machineUse a front loader without an agitator like a civilized human.
>>2832903>have to be delicate when washing it>but it will hold up outdoorsHahahahahahahaha MY FUCKING SIDES!
>>2832905Not what I said my man.You're correct that wool and especially merino is a very weak fibre, but you can absolutely wash it in the right machines with the right cycles.
>>2832908Frankly, I wonder: Melton wool outerwear is somewhat established among outdoor types. Will wool gabardine make a similar return at some point? From what I read, it's a great softshell kind of material. The first trench coats were made of wool gabardine.
>>2831359>wool is way more durable than people think. it's one of the strongest natural fibers. you wanna seek out the highest GSM (grams per square meter) weight that's appropriate for the application.i agree, one thing i will say is it seems like merino wool isn't actually super strong since it's usually very thin and companies often have to use a silicone finish on it to improve durability (good luck finding one without this lol there's like 2 that don't)>if you're concerned about sun protection, i think the best bang for your buck would be a 50 UPF sun hoodie and hathats are good but i think they help less than you think, they're better for keeping the sun out of your eyes, better than no hat i guess, umbrellas are probably betteri have also heard that sunscreen sticks are pretty bad since it's hard to apply the correct amount, i dont trust most sunscreen anyway and feel it's better to go overboard on it since a sunscreen tests are retarded and i just always assume they protect worse than they say they do
I HATE layering. I hate wearing tons of shit. For me, I only wear a long sleeve merino shirt and a jacket which I remove if I get to hot. And I carry a comfy wool blanket and make a bonfire if I get too cold. Simple as. Fuck layering.
What do you guys wear for shorts and pants on the trails?
>>2830789>love my duckworth long sleeve shirtI love their Vapor line- I have the hoody and wear it all the time in the summer. super thin and super comfortable....but its 50% poly....
>>2830219Why would you think this ?
>>2830216>fabric fober that is not plasticconsider the following:I used to be like you and insisted on only wearing natural materials. Didn't want to break the bank either so cotton it was.the absolute misery in winter. I'm completely fine if I get to be inside anywherw by the end of the day, clothes will more or less dry. At least go from wet to uncomfortably damp. But once you have to rest like that outside you'll be shivering and suffering and its particularly fun bejng cold asf in the morning and having to change into your wet and cold clothes and shoes. Your clothes will also be fragile and comstantly toen and ripped. Sure it's sort of fun to tell yourself youre suffering for your ideals and only weaklings quit for a few seasons. But eventually you'll get to the point where you have to come to terms with reality. If it really has to be natural: Wool. Wool, leather and fur perhaps but mostly wool.But: Synthetics really is the solution. Gets wet, dries on your body in no time. Still insulates when wet. Doesnt constantly brwak and rip. Just dont aet yourself on fire.
>>2832902>The reason wool never caught on as a summer garmentExcept it did - for people who can afford it, that is. The rest stillw ear cotton and synthetics.>is because anything <150gsm falls apart in the fucking washing machine.No clue what the fabric weights are, but my merino shirts all go in the washing machine, and the first (and so far only) time one "fell apart" was two weeks ago. Small hole in a shirt I've been wearing for running and working in the garden, and washed pretty much every week for four years. Stitched it up, and now it'll go for another year or so, I guess.
not necessarily outdoors related question since citycuckbut how much difference does a base layer make in difference to cold?last winter I was wearing cotton tshirt and underneath a fleece or even two + minimally insulated or just shell jacket I was not warm enough at what was most a -15c wintermy more insulated parka is breaking down and I was not about to buy one with winter ending right there and I used a cotton tshirt and same fleece underneath and was never cold, no wonder since it was purely more insulation butwhy I wonder is I wanna get rid off clothing and be more minimalist but I don't think a shell jacket + fleece + a basic bitch poly/wool layer1 would be enough for this would it? you would keep something more insulating no?am I overthinking how much difference a base layer compared to cotton will make? or will it be like magic?should I just buy an insulated jacket and call it a day or should I layermaxx?
>>2835136The closer and more form fitting the insulation is to your body, the better it will work. This is because it has less overall surface and because it won't have warm air pushed out and through it by movement. So yes, insulating base layers work well, but they're obviously not magic. If you want to improve warmth with a baselayer, i suggest a warm, very flexible one, for example knit terrycloth.>I don't think a shell jacket + fleece + a basic bitch poly/wool layer1 would be enough for this would itNot for -15°C - not if you're static (like you're a citycuck waiting for a bus or something). At that temperature, you're best off with a padded jacket.>am I overthinking how much difference a base layer compared to cotton will make?Probably. Wool is warmer than cotton, assuming similar structures, but not by much. Where the effect becomes most pronounced is when it gets wet.>should I just buy an insulated jacket and call it a day or should I layermaxx?It's not an either or. A light to medium insulated jacket is a great last insulation layer. Wear base-fleece-padded-shell when it's very cold, or mix and match when it's less cold. Very flexible.Well, this is for /out/. Citycuckery has additional requirements-you want to wear something presentable, which is likely not a merino baselayer and likely also not a fleece (also, that may become too warm). Consider your civilian indoor clothing and add warmth from there, not from a base layer. Especially since you cannot easily put your base layer on and off in the city.-You may not want to put several jackets on and off. That's why the normalfag only wears indoor clothing+jacket and has several jackets for different levels of cold. I guess this comes back to your last question - but that's a matter of personal preference only you can answer. For out, the answer is always layering.
>>2835164This but with a twist.Abon is right regarding the static part. But it's the outist that has additional requirements:You need the ability to adjust warmth your clothing provides on the fly. Like take off your puffy jacket, squeeze it down and into a pocket when running. Later out it back on when resting and start to get cold. Townsfolk are inanimate all day. Normal people go back and firth between periods of medium effort, high effort and rest.Heating up will reduce your capability of high effort but worse sweating will make you persistently uncomfortable and reduce insulation.So make sure when it's very cold you have stuff that comes off and packs away fast and small.
>>2830219It's not so simple.Denim material is a cotton canvas, and it outperforms all "sun clothing" on the market today by a huge factor.
>>2835214Cotton denim is thick as fuck compared to the kind of fabric you actually want to wear in hot weather.
>>2835216Maybe, but it works.
Is this stupid:Hate ticks. Mosquitos are okay in my area they don't commonly spread disease.Ticks do. I had lyme disease show up on an unrelated blood test before.>permethinBut how? Sure on the shoes. Also socks. Comes summer maybe no boots, no high socks. Maybe sandals.Pant legs? Boot blousers? Gaiters? Shorts in summer.Are we even sure ticks only ever come onto you below the waistline?>idea>permethrin sweatbandsjust do a few sweatbands.Wear them on arms and legs, depending on the length of the shirt and pants youre wearing.Minimum permethrin use, spread and exposure.Actual barrier against ricks? I'm confident to usually spot them on exposed arms and legs in time.Or is this a shit idea and just not enough of a barrier?
>>2830219>cotton offers no sun protectiondude do you see through clothes?have you gone out in the sun and pulled a cotton hoodie over your head? Did the sun shine beneath it?
>>2835269It would be better than nothing, but fully covered in permethrin treated clothes would obviously be better.Ive also seen people wrap ducktape that faces outward around their legs or ankles that catches bugs that crawl over it, but I wouldnt rely on just that alone either.
>>2835409I imagine that to be quite retarded, wasting tape much and perhaps wouldn't hold up, at least not if youre curious as me and have to dive into every thicket to see whats in there.Disgusting pic. I hate those fuckers so much.Today I sat on a tree. Didnt realise it was an ant tree.Honestly? I dont really mind ants that much.But those fuckers must all feel the wrath of the lighter.
>>2830875sunscreen is for gay faggots. real men either get sunburnt or turn into sandnigger lookalikes
>>2835214>>2835270i mean obviously thickness matters a toni cant see through a thick enough cotton hoodie but i can put a cotton tshirt in front of my eyes and see perfectly fine, doesn't mean it's see throughmost fabrics are not opaque unless they're pretty thick>>2835056some studies i read on the UV protection offered by various fabrics, mostly cotton with some wool and synthetics mentioned>>2835061do people still wear leather stuff besides shoes? i agree otherwise, sorry for being a natural fiber autist
Gonna ask again:Is there a ways to get the permethrin on / into the blue tarp? AFAIK it acts like a dye right, things need to soak it up and dry. Waterproof tarps dont soak it up.I want a groundsheet ticks cant crawl onto.
>>2830218Cotton is terrible for physical activities.OP, there are sun hoodies that are light, breathable and protect against sunburns. They are synthetic, but feel like thin cotton. Check on Amazon, you can find them cheap.
>>2836287You can get away with it at high temperatures.
>>2836287but those get really stinky
>>2830216Ive recently switched out all my daily wear to (merino) wool of some sort, andnI would like to go a more traditional/natural way with the rest of my gear, where Im sort of at a halt is finding a good solution for rain protection. Would some kind of thick wool anorak/jacket work, e.g vadmel/loden fabric, or would something like cotton treated with beeswax(or other wax if recommended) be better? I'm thinking worst rain scenario, preferably not a thick jacket/anorak as I run warm. Doesnt have to be a specific product recommendation, but I love would love some pointers.>inb4justgetsynthetic
>>2839045>I'm thinking worst rain scenarioWaxed cotton poncho kind of thing.The traditional european rain protection is a wool cloak. The fabric should be brushed, densely felted fabric. In germany it's called strichloden and the cloak is called wetterfleck. Disadvantage, it soaks up water eventually, gets heavy as fuck. Waxed cotton is heavy as well, but at least it doesn't soak up water. Wool is breathable and somewhat warm (can be good or bad).
>>2835216Agreed. And for all weather, No one wears that shit except as a fashion statement.
>>2830216Light layers with gaps. Pretty much what people in the middle east wear.
>>2830216Is there a single brand of outdoor clothing that is not run by fa99ots? Every major brand has the chomo flag or race communist stuff on at least some of their gear and as a straight white man with white children, I don't want to financially support my enemies if I can avoid it.
>>2839087that's what you get for buying goytex
whats a good all weather outdoor sweater or brand?
>>2839087When a retard writes shit like this...this is what I picture.
>>2839087>Imagine thinking you're some kind of warrior in a culture war and not some retard mong from the USBack to your cointainment board, /pol/fag
>>2839087Try eastern european brands.>>2839164It's kinda hard to fuck up a sweater, so there's many good options. The important things are-Right material for your needs and wants-Right fit for your bodyIf you find one that suits you, check online for reviews.If you really want a suggestion, try woolpower for "performance" merino blends, patagonia for high quality fleece, decathlon for low quality (still worth the price) fleece.
>>2839047Thank you, I think a waxed cotton poncho will be the way to go, as that might be possible to double up as a half shelter, and Ive generally had good experience with ponchos. Gonna consider if perhaps a waxed cotton backpack would be nice, or if leather or loden would be better.
>>2830216I live in socal and really like sun hoodies. There is a reason people from the deserts in the Middle East all wear super light baggy as fuck full body clothing. It’s a similar concept without the Assalamu alaikum.
