>>4308149
took a photography class in uni almost 20 years ago with a full wet darkroom. it was comfy af because a large portion of the students chose to go with digital/inkjet printing so there was never anyone in it and i had free rein. the smells are what i really remember, the chemicals have a distinct odour that you'd recognize if you ever smelled them again. and there's something borderline magical about seeing an image "fade in" on the paper, which you can watch happening in the dev tray. you gotta experience it imo.

>>4308163
is it the same as B&W fixer and C41 bleach?
shit's p nasty

>>4308165
I only worked with b/w so that’s the smell I know. It makes me think of vinegar somehow

>>4308167
Good ol stop bath

>>4308171
i went and took a big whiff from my chemistry bottles now since i got curious, and fixer is the one that has that smell i associate with it. also probably shouldn't go full nose in bottle for these things lol caught me by surprise.

>>4308171
The forbidden gatorade

>>4308167
>It makes me think of vinegar somehow
That's 'cuz it is vinegar
You can use actual vinegar, it's cheaper

>>4308149
Time consuming but very satisfying if you have nice images to print.

>>4308175
>also probably shouldn't go full nose in bottle for these things
Not a great idea in general no unless you know it's safe, but in its case it's just acetic acid so unless you actually snorted the liquid you got away with it this time.

>>4308351
I rememberer back in school when my friends who took a photo class talked about the scary acid they had in the photo lab. Discovering that it was just acetic acid of unknown concentration, while I had at one point used 98% sulphuric acid in chemistry class...

>>4308366
I did both Chen and photo in uni so I got to experience all of the wonderful acids and bases. I should have remembered not to ever smell directly and instead waft it to your nose, but it was nearly 20 years ago in my defence lol.
>>4308351
Gonna look more into that, not like fixer is expensive but if I can get it even cheaper and more plentiful, why not?

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>>4308163
I am lucky enough to work for a local non for profit photocentre, running workshops on intro to darkroom etc.. If you have ever gone scuba diving, it is similar vibes lol. I find it relaxing once you fall into it. Its easy to spend a lot of time in there and you come out feeling exhausted.

Here is a scan of a print from last year.. I am only just getting back in the flow this year.

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>>4308366
>98% sulphuric acid
Isn't 72% its strongest concentration?

My uni has two dark rooms and the photography minor has courses dedicated to just black and white photography & dark room.

I like the dark room a lot. It disorients you in a really weird way, it is probably the combination of the red light, smell of chemicals and how much you need to focus with timing. A dark room can really disorientate your sense of time a in good way, you can spend 6 hours there without even realizing it. Of course at times it is very annoying as well, especially if you working with hard negatives and you have a lapse in concentration, you have to do bunch of steps all over again. No undo in the darkroom, it isn't like photoshop. Overall I think most photographers would benefit a lot from at least trying working in a dark room.

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>>4308149
maximum comfy
getting in there early and being greeted by the smell of the stop bath and the gentle red light

Setting up your baths and your work station, doing your first gradient tests for your print

The feel and rythm of rocking your baths, the meditave state of the artisan focusing on his work and also taking a step back to rest in this calmness

watching the paper floating, the image revealing itself and changing over time

The shimmer and glimmer of silver at the bottom of the bath used for the developer; it appears black, but the scratches shine as soon as you pour that chemistry on them

Getting the print out of the stop bath and looking at it under the light, close to your face, in the red light and with a wet print the contrast is beautiful

I set up a smaller one later in my bathroom, over a summer, to do pinhole photography and 4x5 photos directly on photographic paper, I loved taking showers in the red light for a while
That one was set up for this series of photos, each night I'd light a candle, open the shutter of the camera in front of it, wait till it had burned down completely, developed the "film" and hung it to try, then went to bed
About 4 weeks like that, it was wonderful

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>>4309333
Did it on Washi paper as well, in line with the whole Hiroshi Sugimoto thing, but Ilford Warm worked the best by far (it's got an ISO of 6 if I remember correctly, if I'm incorrect, it can't be more than 15)

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>>4309252
Sulphuric acid water azeotrope is 98%.
Anyway if you like to worry about photo chemicals, fumes from polysulfide toner (if enough acid gets into it) are about as toxic as hydrogen cyanide. Few ml of hydrogen sulphide gas inhaled at once may cause respiratory failure.
(I myself have in past done inorganic chemistry labs which included a lot of precipitating with polysulfide and dissolving with acid.)

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>>4309334
Only the most professional of setups in my line of work (quickly found out that a red candle gives better results)

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>>4309337
I miss my funnee schizo notebook too

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>>4309338
Washi W was sooo delicate
Really interesting texture though, would work great for architecture or abstract landscapes

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>>4309339
Too bad I had a shit phone back then

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>>4309340
probably the biggest part of the fun along with >>4309338 and building tiny shadow projecting ustensils

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>>4309337
Another sinar user spotted. Love that camera system so much.

>>4309340
rolling little waves of developer over a big print to evenly reveal it
hnnnngg

>>4308167
That's the stop bath. Its literally vinegar. Dev and fix are mostly odourless.

>>4308149
It feels like not being able to see what you're fucking doing and splashing weird chemicals on your pants and hoping they're the same color when the lights come on

Red lights aren't used often, those are for orthochromatic film

>>4309777
nigga do you even print, that is what red lights are for

>>4309777
>needs a darkroom to develop film
The encyclopedia figure for “doing it wrong” is just a picture of this nigga lmao

>>4309794
Maybe he only does ULF work, and is actually more based than all of us. Large format spool film usually requires dip and dunk tanks also.

>>4309810
4x5 is pretty great for that, you can do it 5 sheets at a time in a patterson tank with the right adapter

I fucking love working in the dark until I don't even think about my eyes anymore

>>4309810
In theory, you could be right, but in practice I’ve seen the kind of schizos that actually use LF that post on here (doghair farm snapshits man, etc), and I would say they are the opposite of based.

>>4309814
If you’re this obsessed with them they must be based

>>4309816
fuck off doghair reddit man

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>>4309814
>>4309816
How is this for an appropriate use of LF?

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>>4309820

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>>4309821
>>4309820
Superbly based.

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>>4309821
>>4309820
Lmao. My lens was a bit shorter focal length.

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>>4309822
Hell yeah, that's a friendo
Clean your scans though, it's satisfying and worth it

It's pretty meditative, here's all you need; just create a copy of your image and work on that, invert it or apply a curve to spot the specks of dust more easily, you are the ICE (it's actually slightly faster by hand than with the ICE for colour film in the Epson V800, and you do get better results when there's a lot of beeg dust and hair)

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>>4309824
My ways have changed a lot since then, and I don't really deal with dust problems THAT much. I have a much better scanning/film room now. My scanner was on the floor previously...

Also! I've sort of made a half promise to myself that I'm only posting darkroom printed images instead if scans from now on. This funny instance is an exception to my rule. It's a powerful anti trolling technique.

Thanks for reading my blog. I think you did very well getting you cute cat in focus, and the picture is very cozy feeling.

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>>4309820
How is it not?

Look, it's almost as good as a nikon z7 with a basic $500 S prime!

>>4309827
The full res scan or a print would show you how much of a difference there really is. The compressed jpgs look depressingly bad compared to the full res tiff files, especially with color 4x5.

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>>4309827
>nikon z7
>Max Resolution: 8256 x 5504

My 1.47Gb .tiff file of that scan: 15168 x 11987

I win the digital game too with that one

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>>4309830
I can *almost* see the grain, but not yet

>>4309830
>Did not get the sarcastic comment about the futility of gearfagging
At some point in the downsampling game the benefits of added resolution are definitively gone and nobody can tell except for matlab

Here's to your 60" cat print

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>>4309832
You've probably figured this out already, but many people on here are entirely clueless about large format film photography.

I've been learning the schiempflug principle lately, and it really unlocks so much utility from a view camera. You could have kept a similar aperture in your picture, but your whole cat would have been focus! Not necessarily better, but different.

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>>4309834
You can tell in contact prints, even 4x5 prints.
Thinking that resolution is all you get from a large piece of film is just silly.

>>4309832
>almost
you can totally see it

this is where you need a microscope to call hazy trails of chunks of dye "resolved lines" on your test charts and brag.

if you actually use the 181mp great but without crops or big prints you'd have to scheimpflug your cat to death to make it clearly LF photography and not equally likely to be 120 roll film cropped to 4:5

>>4309837
based 20:5 eyesight haver

>>4309838
Thanks. I know I'm based.

Aside from zero visible grain on a contact print the tonality is also much much better.

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>>4309836
>schiempflug principle

Don't know if I'd heard the 'proper' name before; I learned it as "you can manipulate the axis of the lens, or the axis of the film, and they both have different effects", but yeah thats one of the fascinating things about technical cameras you really can't do otherwise

>>4309838
It's defnitely bigger than its "useful" resolution, but that's also kinda the point of LF, you pay a lot but you do get a lot in return

less and less each year I'll admit, but iuntil someone comes up with some kind of digital sheet sensor, it'll stay a niche with lovely specific uses, and a super fun and artistic thing to enjoy

I really want to do more of it some day

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>>4309843
Schiempflug principle is the precise way to set your focal plane using tilt. I felt how it worked intuitively, but now that I know the exact method everything just makes so much more sense, and I can utilize focal manipulation much more effectively.

I heard the word on here, so there's atleast one good thing I can say about this place.

>>4309843
They have 4x5 digital backs that are basically a flatbed scanner, but they suck.

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>>4309844
OOh shit that image just gave me a flashback of seeing the word in class, explained just like that, with the crossing of the planes

I think I used it for this picture

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>>4308163

I used Photographer's Formulary TF4 when I was in college and no matter how much I scrubbed and cleaned myself I smelled it for 3 days afterward.

>>4309820

Cats are always relevant no matter what format.

>>4309875
Beautiful!

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>>4309872
I always ate sushi after a big day in the lab because the acidic smell of the acetic acid crossed with other chemicals makes me crave it

>>4309860
Looks like school inspired some great work from you! Everything is very nicely in focus and sharp.