>Belarus and Russian forces doing massive military exercises near Polish border ("Zapad 2025")>parking nuclear-capable Iskander-M launchers near the border to simulate strikes against NATO bases>Poland responds by mobilizing 40.000+ men to their border regionsAmazing how nobody even talks about this, as if it's just routine.
Because it's just posturing. Poland is a member of NATO, they're not THAT fucking stupid, but it's good to see Poland responding and being ready.
>>515865121>as if it's just routine.Because it literally is
>>515865550>military exercises >as if it's just routine.woah you are so smart
>>515865121Isn't Poland NATO?Can't Trump just Hbomb Moscow if two weeks ever actually passes?
>>515865506>>515866077noone will risk an atomic war for Poopland
>>515865121Geopolitics gives me the ick, I would rather talk about women, incels, charlie (pbuh), and the other 1000000+ copy pasted threads.
Military are here on higher alert. Was also rumors about that there was trail of some spies, and security forces are trying to get them. Not sure, caught them already or not.
>>515866146An atomic war with what, Russia's "hypersonic" subs that turn out to be shopping carts?The Cold War should have gone hot, these apes cannot live without mindlessly nigging
>>515866146Agreed
>>515867162Russia regularly tests their atomic missiles
BasedGonna go to łorsał and record all the multi passport rats trying to catch a plane and flee of their lives when the T-90ies start rolling in. :)
>>515865121yes, because its a nothing burger
>>515865121Because nobody cares about Poland.
>>515865121>nooooo, you can't conduct military exercises near our borders!>only we can do it near yours!
>>515866146>nobody will start ww1 over serbia>nobody will start ww2 over polandboth great wars started over a shithole
>>515867953It won't stop on us, Hans! The berlin wall is getting a makeover. Who knows maybe this time they'll be a new one in paris as well. :D
>>515865121I can't wait to rape russian men
>>515865121Ok and if russians were human and not mindless apes they would have turn entire europe into chernobyl already, eliminating 700 million plague rats.
>>515868145you mean when atomic weapons didnt even eistgood point
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>>515869951is that you?
>>515866146Why is Russia going to risk atomic war to invade Poland? are the retarded?
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>>515865550was it routine when ukraine was invaded
>>515871189No one will nuke Russia over Poland. They will just sacrifice it as they always have.
>>515865121Nothing ever happens
>>515868506They still don't exist. Retard. :)
>>515871524well, thats not exactly better for Poland is it
>>515871255is that you?
>>515871405You think there wont be resistance? they cant even take Donbass
>>515866146You willing to bet?
Looks like GAYTO is going to get it's ass pushed in back west. LMFAO!So much for the "blue wave". XDLets see if their bluffs work again and they actually defend western yoorope, or will they fall back all the way to spain.
Orks are comingPoland light the fireWill NAFO answer their calling?
>>515871324Yes, cockhole chimpouts assisted by foreign enemies are fairly routine historically speaking.
>>515871324They do Zapad on a regular basis, moron. This wasn't unexpected
>>515872767Right after previous one, they invaded Ukraine.Right now they do not have enough troops to make successful invasion. But they can still do some damage, and if things change, do mobilization later.
>>515873119No way they'll do anything this year or during ZAPAD itself but I do get the impression that it makes the first quarter of 2026 a risk period imho.
>>515873119But they also had Zapad exercises before 2021 one as well. But who cares, Russian and Belarusian militaries are probably tightly link on a higher level anyways, their soldiers also speak the same language and use the same script. What ever they learn or train on that exercise will be less relevant for the actual combat than what they can actually learn in Ukraine. So who cares, let them swing their dicks around, NATO does and should do the same.
>>515874148>NATOhahahaha
>>515865121Poland is Russian rightful clay.
>>515873581In one of previous exercises (like 2012 or smth), their training scenario included "preventive nuking of Warszaw".By conventional logic, full scale invasion in Ukraine also was retarded, and their media propagandists ridiculed USA warnings about invasion. Yet they did it.Now after presidency changes, there was changes in CIA too. Heard that Tulsi Gabbard did a lot of cuttings in CIA. Are they reconnaissance capacity still similar as year ago? Who knows. Tulsi does not care about Europe much. More about Israel.
>>515873119Russia invading Poland is suicide. Poland alone is enough to destroy Russia if they're retarded enough to open another front.
>>515874641That's the thing. It all depends on whether Russia chimps out or not, because they're practicing the same offensive scenarios over and over again, and there's no real telling which one they'll want to do.By all means was the invasion on Ukraine retarded, but it does imply that if they feel like doing some meddling, and they're feeling particularly stupid that day, they will just go for it.
>>515874477isnt moscow a polish toilet since like the 1600s?
>>515874148They used exercise as excuse to move large amount of equipment around.Around 5 days ago ended one of NATO exercises here, Namejs 2025. Where NATO moved some of THEIR equipment around.Now airspace in border areas are closed, in height up to 6000m. Turkish Airlines or whatever companies which are allowed in both EU and Russian airspaces can still travel, but if there will be suspicious objects in air, air defense will be warranted to shoot down. As airspace is closed. If they try to use para gliders to send diversion teams, they can be shoot at.
>>515866157I would like to talk about submarine technology with a Swede one day. But I'm simply not prepared, I don't think anyone is.
>>515874737If they nuke Warszaw, and then use confusion and blitz for Poland. It would be interesting to see what happens then.
>>515874737>Poland alone is enough to destroy Russialol
>>515868145εὖ λέγεις, ὦ τᾶν
>>515874641>>515874991yeah I'm having flashbacks of 2021. Back in the good old days, Russia and Poland could restore the balance of power by partitioning Ukraine. But that we can't do that…
>>515865121>NOOOOOOKKS>MUH NOOOOOOOOKS
One false move is all it takes at this point. Rolling for false moves.
>>515876026That "partitioning" is more as thinking pattern of 19th century. Times has changed.
>>515875180Are people in Latvia genuinely afraid that war with Russia is a very possible scenario? Do opinions about the possible war differ between Latvians and Russians ? Any possibility for Russian minority to stir shit up to a point where mother Russia would need to save them from fascist Latvians?
Honestly, why would ruskies go for Poland next. If anything, they're testing the waters for a possible zerg rush on the Baltic states in the near future.
>>515873119Russia can't spare the men. They haven't even taken Pokrovsk after months and months
>>515865121> be Russia> out of money> out of tanks> out of gas> out of men They won’t do shit because they have no shit to do anything with. Poland would double ass rape them on their own, let alone with NATO’s backing
>>515866146They don't have to. We already have nukes aimed at moscow, st Peter aka fallout zone. Try us you pathetic zigger.
>>515876922>Are people in Latvia genuinely afraid that war with Russia is a very possible scenario?"afraid" is not correct term. More as stressed.>Any possibility for Russian minority to stir shit up to a point where mother Russia would need to save them from fascist Latvians?Bunch of those have been arrested. And some who had citizenship of Russian Federation, expelled from country. Even if they were born here. And that kept their "noise level" lower. Because, majority of them does not want to move to Russia. I am talking about those who have very, very favorable pro-Kremlin views.Ocassionally some espionage or sabotage case have been reported. But diplomat expulsion had became more rare. Now they mostly recruit their "assets" in social networks like Telegram. About 6 month old data was, that in roughly half of times, those "assets" did not got paid what they were promised. Russia did not paid pensioneers of Russian Federation living in Estonia and Latvia for about 9 months. Just like week ago they started to receive their pensions. Thing is, that here laws also changed. If they does not have passport with biometric data, they cannot extend their residence permits. If they does not receive pension, they does not have money to go to embasy and exchange for valid passport.Around 800 of citizens of Russian Federation did not complete exam for latvian language, and will have to leave country till November.So yes, there are some actions so they would not need to live among fascist latvians, and could return to Russia and live happily ever.
>>515877355For successful invasion they indeed lack men. But there can be some diversions, and limited scale actions.
>>515877994you dont have nukes, you delusional pooplack
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>>515865121Russia is the kikes dirty little secret. Nobody wants to immigrate to Russia, so they started a war to kill whites.Poland went full nationalist, so they must be dragged into the war, similar to Russia, to kill white people.
>>515878202>Around 800 of citizens of Russian Federation did not complete exam for latvian language, and will have to leave country till November.thats not very refugees welcome. why are nato helping your nazi country.
>>515871324Ukraine invaded Russia simply by existing.
>>515878202Sounds alright I suppose, sounds like Latvia is doing the best it legally can do to prevent possible Russian minority insurgencies. I believe the war between Russia and Baltics is only realistically possible if Russian minority starts having some "funny ideas". Though that's my biased opinion since all the wars here since ottomans left were because of minority populations. Be it ww1 (huge Serbian minority in Bosnia and Croatia + ethnic Croatian supporters of Yugoslav nation), ww2 (whole Ustaša, chetnik and partisan triangle), 90's... But you know much better for your situation.
HERE’S A QUICK REDPILL DROP1) The puccia fagtroonia are troons. They are. They can’t do shit. They are losing 17:1. Ukrainian based army completely smashes them2) Poland needs to mobilise and strike the orczzia IMMEDIATELY. Like ASAP. Fucking now. Just head for a swift blow against Smolensk and you’re all set, the mosquew is near. Muzzie shithole the orczzia will fall easy peasy. Mobilise Poland and deploy Polish troops to Ukraine immediately
>>515878713>taking twitter screencaps as factsanon if their missiles dont work then who keeps striking ukraine? lmfao
>>515879362In pre-war, there was around 50k or citizens of Russian Federation living here. Russian speaking was around 500k. Non citizens of Latvia (mostly russian speaking), around 180k.New law came in power, that citizens of Russian Federation who want to extend their residence permit, they need to prove that they know latvian language on VERY BASIC (A2) level. At first round, around 2k of them ignored requirement, and received letter that they need to leave country within 90 days.It looks that it is working, as their glowie activities here are slowing down.
>>515877410This based white brother gets it
>>515871189Because Putin wants to have fun and he's already old he doesn't give a shit about the world.
>>515880052>>515880135>I hate myself and my country! nuclear war would be cool actually!welcome you'll fit in here nicely
>>515880052That's a nice /pol/speech you got, I must admit. Literally by the book.
>>515880308>nuclear war would be cool actuallyAt least all this will end.
>>515880308He is right though. Here is proof.
>>515879901I live in a city where around 40% are russian speaking. Apartment prices are relatively high (if compare with Russia). If they sell their apartment here, they can get similarly sized in Russia for around 4x cheaper. Not Moscow or St Petersburg. But some third or fourth tier city. There is plenty of jobs available in Russia. Things what in Russia are worse, is that cars and car parts are more expensive. And consumer electronics. Food, fuel, utilities for apartments, thats all is cheaper there. Salaries also half of what is here, but lower living expenses kinda compensate for that. For some of them, moving to Russia might indeed be improvement in quality of living.
>>515880288Just like you Slovak.
>>515880729Trolling aside I unironically feel sorry for you. They have way too many people for your culture to exist without worries. It's hard. They should just let you guys have your own country. It's not worth any imperialistic hassle to be in Baltic anyways.
>>515880118Only A2? That's ridiculously low requirement. In Croatia during high school (don't remember grade school), we learned English and electively German on B2 level, with elective advanced course C1. Requiring only A2 for a native language of the country you live in is crazy.
>>515865121It kind of is routine desu.
>>515865121Ukraine wants to force NATOs hand thats why they're using Russian missile systems on russian territory and flying Russian drones over NATO. Its all so clear, can't you see anon?
>>515880961Yup and honestly Balts are few in numbers. Oh no, a million and some people want to protect their language and culture, hold an irrelevant land with zero resources, I'd just leave 'em be. Their demands do not seem unreasonable and even if they were strict, because of what I said it would be reasonable.
nothing ever happens
>>515880933We are very, very stubborn here.It will not be easy, but we will beat them.
>>515880729Latvian passport also gives them ability to move pretty much freely throughout the rest of EU, right? Do Russians mostly move to Russia or do they like to move to rest of Europe as well? If you or the government keeps track of those statistics.
>>515881298It is very hard to kill people off, especially today, but you can subjugate them and even make them fight for your own interest. NATO is one version of that, however the west functions on principle that both sides are kinda happy. Even I can see that.
>>515880961Yes, for A2 it takes around 2 weeks to learn. But some of those who despises us, they do not want to learn out of spite. And in such way, this requirement kinda works as broad filter, to reduce pool of potential "assets" for russian intelligence operatives to recruit.
>>515881706Russia probably doesn't need operatives that can't bother learning A2 level.But it will probably get rid of the dregs.It's usually older people that are that stubborn, no?
>>515880085I could believe it. I moved here from the west. The smartest engineers I’ve ever seen are from Russia and Belarus, but you could not get them to fix anything without the hand of god at their backs. From what I’ve heard from personal accounts of the late Soviet Union, this very well may have been true, even if they did (and I’m sure they did, knowing them) have the capability to fix them.
>>515865121because it is routine, retard. just like bombers and jets flying border patrols daily
>>515881491>Do Russians mostly move to Russia or do they like to move to rest of Europe as well?Residence permit allows citizens of Russian Federation move around EU. Non citizens of Latvia, they did not needed visa for entry in Russia, while citizens of Latvia needed. In pre War times. And that slowed down rate at which non-citizens of Latvia did naturalization exams to get citizenship. As they liked to go on vaccation in Russia. Also, if they are not citizens, they did not had to go on mandatory military service. Know several cases, when they explicitly rejected citizenship, so not to have to serve in military. As there is law that, if they have finished educational establishment in latvian language (middle school or college), then they automatically get citizenship when they have 18 years. >If you or the government keeps track of those statistics.They have statistics, but it is not published. Have numerous russian speaking colleagues, and I am fluent in russian (it was my second language). They really liked to go on vacation in Russia. At least, those who were older than 40.
>>515882212>The smartest engineers are Russian/Belarussian they just can't do any engineeringOk.
>>515881510When I come to think about it... What does alliance Russia or Russia itself offer that's better than what EU/EEA offers? Better life quality? Better situation regarding demographics, healthcare, safety (how police and judiciary system handles crime, problematic groups of people etc), social conservatism, social and political freedom's and so on. EU has plenty of problems, many of which are not problems for many people that hold very different opinions from me, but I see no benefits that Russia could offer to Croatia over EU, or even Serbia, when talking about quality of live and development. Except maybe for relations with Albanians and Bosniaks (maybe Croats as well?). Big issues for some, but I dunno. Maybe Russia can offer us better access to nuclear energy and technology when I genuinely come to think about it.
>>515881510In my family, there were people who were taken by soviets, and never seen again. Some other sent to gulags. And similar cases was in a lot of families. To think that yet again, we will allow them to come and to take away what we worked so long, without a fight. It is naive.
>>515880657>"proof">its a 4chan screenshotyoure not serious are you?
>>515881974For someone, who reports on NATO equipment, there is no need for latvian language knowledge. To burn something down, to take pictures.
>>515882611My guy, when they do the engineering, they’re geniuses, but everyone here is lazy and cynical. They’ll prove they’re the smartest in the room for fun, but when it comes to actual work they’ll generate political squabbles and talk about feasibility studies and research (which inevitably never end) to get out of the actual work of fixing anything. I had a side hustle at an IT thing here. They were of much, much higher quality than the west at an equivalent firm in terms of intellect, but it’s like herding cats. They could have fixed what needed to be fixed if they wanted to, but they invented bureaucracy to fuck around instead for good money. They’re too cynical to work. They will only work with a gun to their heads (hence the great rebuilding under Stalin).
>>515882694Nothing and the only reason I am against the west is because they bombed us so I have to double down on sunk cost fallacy. And that's also the reason most other people are against the west.If 90s went smoothy and we didn't larp there wouldn't be such suicidal ideas like opposing the west while being surrounded by it.The west is better option. They have more money. Cold War proved which ideology is the victor. Russia even lost grounds in Ukraine.Okay, 2014 Maidan was a coup helped by the west. But Russia also does psyops just like the west, every serious country does underhanded things, but they got defeated at their own pro-Russian ground.The west is rotting, but it was always superior, and the only way someone else can be superior to the west is if west falls. That's hard to swallow but simply true.For example, look at the current eastern pride, Poland, the only reason they're loudmouths is because they have no refugees and they can walk the city at night. Big achievement honestly. Even in western sphere you have the eastern countries who can only feel pride if west fuck ups completely.They have their problems, but Russia and China are also degrading, everyone is.
>>515882505Weird how you can function very well as s country (from my outsider point of view, never been to Latvia)while having a large amount of population that doesn't give a shit about the country and its ethnic majority, maybe even detests it. Money keeps it all together, like you alluded to.
>>515865121it was probably that fucking paradeOne humiliating parade and now our delusional adversary thinks we are a paper tiger.Wonderful
>>515865121>as if it's just routine.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Zapad_exercises
>>515883338>For example, look at the current eastern pride, Poland, the only reason they're loudmouths is because they have no refugees and they can walk the city at night.They have like millions of them. Or two millions.On per-capita numbers, we in Latvia had higher levels of refugees than in Germany (we are small country). But they are ukrainians, and it is WAAAAAY easier to work with them, as there is similar-enough culture and can communicate in language both know. Than with say, guy from Eritrea.
>>515883368Very introvert people. Estonians are even more, and fins are on yet another level.
>>515866146>Why should you make war based upon a scrap of paper?You Germans never learn, do you
>>515883338At least it keeps you more critical about the West. Though I personally don't really understand the grudge about the bombings, it was a war after all, at least it wasn't about ethnic conflicts and cleansings like WW2 or Cro/BiH wars. >They have their problems, but Russia and China are also degrading, everyone is.Absolutely agreed. And I don't know what to think of it, every advanced nation (except Israel) is in a very very bad position long term. Shitty times are coming, better make the most of it while good times still last. If technology and infrastructure degrades because less advanced people get in charge, plenty will die, especially in advanced nations where many people are alive because of the standard of living we can afford and services we get access to. With that I mostly mean elders, prematurely born babies and chronically ill. As a diabetic type 1, I have no doubts that Africans and Arabs or whoever else won't be able to produce and distribute insulin. So if society really collapses, I'm fucked anyways, can't do anything about it. Same with many other people.
>>515884933>At least it keeps you more critical about the WestAnd poor and unstable. Fuck being critical, what can we be exactly critical of?We might say "they have refugees", but look at Croatia, you got them practically overnight, we could be swarming with them soon, nobody can guarantee we won't, maybe it won't be just some manual labourers and a few bus drivers.> Though I personally don't really understand the grudge about the bombings, it was a war after all, at least it wasn't about ethnic conflicts They bombed the country proper, but there was a conflict and cleansing in Kosovo under their protection then and later.They mismanaged their hand. Serbs could have been bought by the west. However US at that time in the 90s was at their peak. They felt like they had a massive dick and decided to bomb us, kind of as a political warning to other countries that are dumb enough to not give into them. At least that's my interpretation and of some other people. I don't think it was necessary, as we were economically done and Milosevic would have eventually went away, and Serbia could have been integrated.> If technology and infrastructure degrades because less...Especially dangerous in shitholes like ours. We sat in classroom learning about brain and workforce drain from Balkans to abroad, calling it "the white death".That will all be clearly felt in future if not now already.In Croatia you might not want to coup your government since it's not as shit. Here it is shit. But something to think about: our average age is 45+. It shows in real life. These old fucks are lazy and don't want to actually protest, and fight with police. Balkan people already have multiple diagnosis once they reach older age (no offense at you - you didn't choose it by your lifestyle, likely). And older people are already disappointed by previous failures from 5th october.The biggest question in future, how much collectives are willing to adapt and resist the boot of the government?
>>515880308self important narcissist
>>515885923>And poor and unstable...Ehh, I suppose, but you show great determination with these protests, it's not talked about enough. And other EU countries have huge government problems anyway, ruining their nation's. It's sad really. At least you protest, and you do a damn fine job. We have like 70k Asian workers right now, not too easy to get a concrete number because we don't count individual people but individual work permits. But no one at EU forced us or even talked us into importing them, at least that I know of. It is all because of employers and agencies importing them. Issue it is but easy to solve. And I'm happy that immigration numbers of Croats are taking a turn. Because of our large diaspora, we have a big pool of potential immigrant's. We'll see how it all plays out. >We sat in classroom learning about brain and workforce drainWe did as well. I'm not personally worried about it short term because we are small open country, so lack of domestic professionals can be patched by imports of goods and services. Like how Chinese companies are starting to do big infrastructure projects, they do it for a fair price, bring their expertise here and do a job for at least the same quality as domestic ones, maybe even better. Slovenian companies also do a lot of small constructions here in border area where I live. And more and more Croats are moving back, old, middle aged and young one's. Dunno how's in Serbia.>In Croatia you might not want to coup your government since it's not as shitDefinitely not. Government here doesn't even have a majority, didn't have one since like 2011 or even earlier I believe. It's always bailed by minority votes and other parties (domovinski pokret now or Hrvatska narodna stranka/HNS before), or some individuals from opposition. If HDZ steps too far, it will loose power immediately. It lost presidential election with a ridiculous margin lol. HDZ ain't as bad as many people say, many are actually competent and good people.
