I've never understood why parents force their children to learn instruments like piano or violin.Does learning music guarantee your child a good job?Will your child become a musician?Could your child become a nationally touring musical maestro?He probably won't even land a gig playing piano in a bar, struggling to afford food each month.What's the point of forcing a child to learn an instrument they dislike?
kids growing up learning an instrument have on average 15 more IQ points
>>517348527>What's the point of forcing kids to learn an instrument?Creative thinking.
>>517348527Good for their brain, teaches them the importance of investing time and energy for future outcomes, might lead to future career, fun hobby.
>>517348527They shouldn't force them, but if they want to play an instrument, get them one ffs and offer to pay for lessons if they want to go further
>>517348527monky brains
>>517348585>kids growing up learning an instrument have on average 15 more IQ points>Become rock star>Do sooooo much fucking cocaine and heroin>Become sub 70IQ has been
Chinks do that shit because they see every other chink doing it. The chinese take that "keeping up with the Joneses" to a psychotic level.
>>517348768Rock stars don't exist anymore boomer
>>517348527You're a lesser race so of course you wouldn't get it
>>517348527it's a good thing to teach kids but making them perform and go really heavy into it is stupid. the point is to teach them about music, which imparts other valuable lessons.
Neuron activation.
>>517348585no one with a triple digit IQ believes that teaching a kid an instrument increases their IQ by 15 points.
>>517348527Music is proven to harmonize the hemispheres of the brain. As an added bonus, if they achieve anything near mastery over the instrument, they will be revered by higher social classes, making especially young women more likely to marry above their league.
They do it for the most part, because retarded parents think their kid is going to become some kind of a super pianist and the parents can then feel second hand glory about it.In reality the kid will likely grow to resent the instrument as the obsessive parents make them practice too much.They should only do it if they have a passion for it.
>>517348527The point is to keep your child busy and build a resume for college. Learning a second language is another thing a lot of parents push their kids into. When you’re white or Asian it’s not enough to just have the best grades in your school you have to do all these extracurricular activities to stand out.
>>517348799They do it because they think putting it on your college application helps you get into a more prestigious school. that's all they care about.
>>517348527Asian parents do it to compensate for their failures in life. Basically, if an Asian parent didn't get to become a doctor, musician, etc. they will force their kid to do it and live through their kid
>>517348901learning a second language is an extremely useful and practical thing.
I'm kinda hoping my kid plays something but not forcing him. He's 3 and loves music plus my late dad was pretty awesome on harmonica. I know that's supposed to be easy to play but he was legit
>>517348585>>517348683>>517348620>>517348829Bullshit, I knew 3 instruments well enough to perform in my music school’s ensemble, and I’m a fucking retard irl Check mate
>>517348886There's a gazillion studies on it. Here's one such study.https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3101523/
>>517348527Have you ever met a stupid person who could play an instrument well?
Appreciation for music is part of a well rounded human being. Your question only shows that you have fallen for the industrialized education model, which holds that the only purpose of raising a child is to make them a better factory wagie so that Line Go Up. The mindset that everything in life should be credentialed and monetized is poison; reject it. Good music is timeless and thereby transmits cultural heritage; learning to make, or at least replicate, good music is participation in civilizational health.
>>517348527I wasn't forced but I learned two instruments when I was young and later a third. I love classical music and listen multiple times per week. You have no interest or understanding of these things, you shouldn't try and you shouldn't force your kids. It's not for you.
>>517348527>Lust-provoking image>Irrelevant time-wasting question
>>517348527the same reason you should get your kids to go to the gym.It builds into them the positive feedback loop and the important lesson that hard work pays off.The only way you will learn to play a piece of music, is by practicing. And you notice the improvement, yesterday you cuoldn't do it. Today you can.Same with going to the gym, last week you can do 7 pull ups, this week you can do 8.Trackable measureable improvement resulting from work = when you grow up you know to achieve anything you have to put in the hours.If you dont and just sit like a lazy bum on the internet all day then nothing good will happen, you end up like OP and other retarded 4channers. many such cases.
>>517348976True, it can be if you use it.
>>517349104having increased iq doesnt mean shit in this world
>>517348888This, I never “made it,”in a fame sense but Ive essentially mastered guitar as far as a normie is concerned (I don’t believe you can actually master an instrument I like to think I’m always learning), and even as an otherwise average 32yo normoid I can still pick up a guitar and noodle around for a couple seconds and have boomers slack jawed and chicks fawning over me asking me why I’m not famous telling me to go play for money or start a band, I’m like nigga I’m 32 that ship has sailed lol
>>517348527Because synapsonogenisis stops expanding at 25 years old, going from 300% synapse development, to 100% synapse development.So not teaching your kids as many possible skill as you can means you failed as a parent.just like your inability to understand why musical instruments has multiple purposes is a failure of your parents.
>>517348527>cargo cult bourgeois idiocy 200 years out of dateThirdies being allowed into civilized countries being try-hards.
>>517349104you're actually incredibly stupid. like I'm shocked.
>>517349203This argument is as good as mine (>>517349146) if not better.
>>517349144yes, niggers are often excellent players.
>>517349202sick, but i lol'd
>>517348527Knew one girl who's grandfather taught her violin "so you can always make money without having to sell yourself". Old Croatian dude he was
>>517348527>What's the point of forcing a child to learn an instrumentits tradition and an example of human achievement, idiot. Before electronic entertainment, this was the norm. Early development of neuron pathways related to musical understanding opens up greater possibilities in life down the line. It also helps dissuade children from doing destructive things in their free time. You wouldn't understand though factory worker faggot- should have learned an instrument.
>>517349284I know. I never learned to play an instrument.
>>517348527Playing instruments in cathartic. It also makes you experience music better. So you don't end up a zoomer monkey bobbing head to rap beats
>>517349202
>>517348829this
>>517349231Whenever I'm feeling down and internally reciting my mantras of self hatred in my head, they always end with "but I can play piano pretty well lol" and then I feel fine
>>517349552>>517349410who is more Indian?
>>517348527imagine if your dumb nigger brain didn't understand the difference between salty or sweet, or if you couldn't tell the difference between the shades of red or yellow or other colors, or if you couldn't tell the difference between something smelling like shit and fermented food.that's what tone deaf black and white niggers are mentally ill with, they can't understand the difference between good and bad music, so they listen to shit all day long consuming shit and developing shit personalities and eventually shitting their shitty nigger brain taste all over social media so people who hate this nigger shit has to listen to it when watching youtube shorts or even just getting my hair cut or dining out.learn to play an instrument even if its the one you hate, so you learn to have good taste and don't pollute the neighborhood and social media with your nigger tonedeaf noise
>>517348527Art appreciation is the traditional way of cultivating young minds' mental faculty for a aristocratic and harmonious society. Ofc parents who treat their children as either accessories or their societal horse bets were sold on the idea of such elevation in class by teachers and associations alike, would push their children towards achievements to stand out, which saps the enjoyment and socialization out of it.It is not about money.
>>517348527>bug can't understand pursuing something for any reason other than money
>>517349639Probably me
>>517349000Leave a guitar around
>>517348527Bach signed every composition with something like, "For the glory of God." You wouldn't understand why music is important because you're a godless bug. Just bob your head to the mumblerap, retard.
>>517349027And yet you can't join a band and just ply notes??
>>517349027>Check mateI bet you got plenty of pussy too at parties, meaning you won and your retardation doesn't matterCheckmate nigga
>>517348527Asian parents do it because it looks good on your resume, it's a skill and it signals high status/culture. Asian parents are playing the game to win and they start early.That said, learning music is inherently good for anyone. You will always be a better person overall after learning an instrument. Tiger moms choose piano/violin because those instruments signal class, but if you're learning harmonica or guitar that's just as good.
>>517348527Learning an instrument and a second language both raise iq
i will have a cracked copy of FL studio on my computer for mine
>>517349027Your mother wanted you to do better than this.
>>517348527Making your kids learn something is good you retard or else they become adhd faggots
>>517349242>So not teaching your kids as many possible skill as you can means you failed as a parentBut there's always an opportunity cost where the children could be using the that same time to be taught something else. This is a very basic concept and overlooking it shows your parents didn't adequately teach you how to utilize logic or how to keep quiet instead of making a fool of yourself
>>517348527Qssuming your talking about just instruments and not vocal stuff, It's an IQ thing and has to do with layering patterns. If you don't get it then no amount of explaining will help.
>>517348527Music is a very rewarding hobby but it requires a significant time investment to merely get past the beginner stage. When you are younger your brain is more attuned to learning new skills and there is also less of a burden to be able to perform to a certain standard. Being able to play an instrument gives you something you can do for life with friends or on your own that brings joy and keeps you away from being another doomscroller prodding through life without anything meaningful to dedicate yourself on. It also teaches you early on that you have to work hard to achieve your goals, and that failing is ok, as long as you keep putting in the time and effort you can reach the goals you set for yourself.
>>517348527It was supposed to be for church(Jesus Christ) related purposes.
>>517350118Nigger I have a job that pays more than I could ever make as an artist who ‘just plays in a band’, it’s not a transferable skill unless you literally have nothing else in your life but music >>517350332I wouldn’t know, I don’t go outside >>517350650I genuinely never met my mother, maybe she would?!
>>517350780>But there's always an opportunity cost where the children could be using the that same time to be taught something elseNo shit you faggot there's nothing illogical about teaching your kids how to play classical instruments and music
This is like seeing a thread from Ethiopia titled>What's the point of lip plates? I don't get it
>>517350930>No shit you faggot there's nothing illogical about teaching your kids how to play classical instruments and musicThere's nothing illogical about making 50 cents every minute, the question is why would you do it if you can make 1 dollar in the same time frame instead?This is exactly my point about opportunity cost you flamming faggot
>>517348527It teaches discipline and practice, skills which translate to every other fucking thing. And also keeps them away from gay distractions.>whats the point of putting a kid into sports, chances are they wont be getting into a major league anyway
>>517350780Music is as old as people, it's a pretty safe bet in terms of time investment. In classical education it was in the second tier Quadrivium, ranked second only to the Trivium of grammar/logic/rhetoric. Probably more important than whatever cartoons you want to let them watch.
>>517348527>pianoliteral cultural appropriation of White culturechinx, all asians, all non-whites wish they could be White European
>>517348720monke brans spotted
>>517350912>I genuinely never met my mother, maybe she would?!How did you get out of her without meeting her? Did she push you out into the hole of a trash can and run away real fast?
>>517348527You can only ever be really good at something if you learn it as a child. If nobody was forcing kids to play piano, then there would be no good piano players. Kids have no idea what they want in life, they are not full persons yet. Their adult self will probably be grateful for having a skill which would be impossible to acquire as an adult.
>>517348527Music is fun.>>517350875My favorite part of Christianity is how much of a focus they put on acoustic architecture. A cathedral built to be the resonator for a singing congregation with a pipe organ at it's heart is the most beautiful application of mathematics, engineering, and community.
>>517348527exercises different parts of your brainexposure to a variety of activities and experiences is good for your mind when it's growing
>>517348585thisop is an ignorant retard/thread
>>517348585>>517348620>>517348683Why don't you invest their energy in learning something actually useful. No one gives a single fuck if you play piano or violin or guitar or whatever dumb shit that won't help you in any way in life.
I was never forced to play an instrument, but I learned on my own free time classical guitar and cello, then went to school and studied voice and piano, and now I have a job as a church organist and choir director, and I dabble in clarinet for fun. My kids will be forced to play at least three instruments and they will never hear a single nigger song in their life.
>>517348527Beings with souls are naturally drawn to it, sorry you have to be forced. I loved playing music as a kid. It's not supposed to put food on the table or make money and trying to turn it into something profitable ruins the whole point.On top of the natural rhythm side of it, there is a calculated logic involved in hitting the right keys on the piano or strings on a guitar and that is extremely good for your brain. Plus its a creative outlet so you don't end up make terrible threads like this one or OC like picrel.
>>517348527College applicationsLearning that consistent practice makes people good at something. Getting used to dedicating an hour uninterrupted to learn something. The parent gets one hour of alone time while the kid is in class. Having some social graces and being able to entertain people or impress a date.
>>517348527If your kid ever wants to take music serious, they are at such an advantage if they started young. Its like a language, and learning it at that age makes it so they are essentially "native fluent" in music. If you wait until your 20s you always feel like the equivalent of an ESL tard no matter how much you practice and its frustrating.
>>517351379Prolly, lol
china pipeline : piano -> gaokao -> belt and road slaveUS pipeline : tiktok -> drop out of college -> onlyfansthats why this will be china's millenium of rejuvenation and conversely US' millenium of humiliation
>>517348620>Creative thinking.Ah yes, mechanically mimicking an action with zero room for deviation from the correct method is so well known for making a mind creative. If you said writing music you might maybe have had a point.
>>517348527>What's the point of forcing a child to learn an instrument they dislike?This sounds like an Asian problem.
Ignore all the crap like>>517348585that talks about, "Oh, it has this and that benefit for your baby's IQ/development/hand-eye coordination" and other such excuses. Yes, those benefits are proven, but the trend of people "forcing" their children to learn instruments is purely masturbatory. These parents often-which is to say, USUALLY-don't even play that instrument themselves, so you and I both know that all the ostensible benefits are something they saw in a news article or parenting magazine. It's in the same vein as the tiger mom crap: Dumbass parents with unfairly high expectations trying to beat their dumbass kids into aping something they saw high-IQ kids doing. They want to have kids that reflect well on themselves so they can feel a vicarious sense of accomplishment when Little Timmy or Sally becomes a super-smart A+ kid like the kid on the 7 AM news.If you play an instrument, or sing, or collect jazz records or some shit, or are otherwise similarly inclined to a genuine appreciation of music, then obviously you can scratch what I said. Passing that down is masturbatory for different reasons. But the whole, "YOU LEARN VIOLIN/PIANO NAO" thing from parents, in the United States at least, is mostly done for the reason of wanting one's kid to reflect well on one's self.
>>517351612Wrong
>>517348527teaching discipline. the idea that learning something takes time and starts off pretty slow but also leads to results builds confidence as they are good at somethingopens pathways in learning. music has its own specific rules that generalize into learning in general >>517349027i mean none of this works if you just skip the learning part and tell people they are good at it
>>517354310Have you attended a musical school or understand roughly how those institutions operate?
>>517351612It *is* useful, but it's not accomplished through Soccer Mom Karen spazzing the fuck out over her child's piano lessons that she put into their after-school time like it was fucking cram school.Actual, ensouled human beings do not need to be rapped across the knuckles with a ruler to give a shit about music. They do not need to be made to play Au Claire de la Lune or Hot Cross Buns ad infinitum while a pissed-off mom blows a blood vessel. They will have moments, like when the musical score in a movie or game REALLY moves them for the first time, or when they buy their first album as a teenager and blast that shit on repeat, or when they're just singing some dumb drunken song with their friends and for a brief instant they can actually *feel* the harmony of their voices resonating in their chest, that will make them think, "Wow, music is really worth it!" It will happen organically. The key is in SUPPORTING it when that happens, and developing that spark, not in mandating the spark's existence to begin with.
>>517348585If his iq was higher he’d learn something more useful like modern music. Ain’t no one going to a piano concert. Kid is better off singing and rapping.Like who here plays the recorder like back in fourth grade>>517348814Ain’t will replace them .
>>517351612these are kids we're talking about. the results of music learning and art learning in general can be slow but are apparent in their execution (if its actually being taught and that learning is rewarded, and not something they can escape where it doesn't matter if its just them playing mindlessly)kids are pretty bad at seeing the forest beyond the trees, underlining the value learning something has. so if you only focus on teaching them hard academics with the idea that "it needs to be useful" it'll crush their spirit, they'll question anything that seemed not useful until they discount it all as useless in their rebellious phase music is also something they can perform, so its an easy thing for them to use to make friendsi guess you can teach them to be good at sports too
>>517348527Every kid I’ve known who was “forced” to learn an instrument was a high achiever.
>>517354650>Like who here plays the recorder like back in fourth gradeIf you don't have a core memory of this shit then I don't wanna talk
>>517354650The recorder is a beautiful instrument, I wish I had kept it up. I'm planning to re-learn it alongside my kids.
>>517348527it's a good thing but it shouldn't be forced
Also, I just want to throw this out there: The reason that music is traditionally included in a classical education isn't because it makes you more well-rounded. It's included for the same reasons that astronomy and geometry are included. An understanding, or even an intuitive sense, of harmony and interval, leads one to understanding the nature of the universe better. This isn't just fluff, either. Think about it: Even the colors of light given off by an element burning are determined by the interval between where electrons were and where they end up, with those colors of light being given off as frequencies determined by that particular interval being crossed. Everything that exists materially in a universe of duality exists as the interval between two or more things. Understanding that really is important, and being exposed to music does help accomplish such an understanding. But I promise you that Tiger Mom Karen freaking out over Little Timmy's piano lessons is not concerned with such things. She is aping something she doesn't get. She just wants Little Timmy to be impressive at his recital.
>good for brain>good for IQIQ is retarded and made up. If you believe this shit, you unironically believe chinks are one of the 3 countries with an above average IQ. Besides this, literally playing videogames stimulates your brain more than instruments. Kill yourself, artsy bisexuals.
>>517348585And how will that make them to be richer?
>>517348585More like 5 IQ points. Anything increasing more than 10 points is genetic.
>>517349104As I said, that's like a 5-7 points increase max.
>>517356777Music classes in grade school aren't about overall brain stimulation, but training basic life skills. Fine motor skill control, breath control, coordination, creative/critical thinking, etc in a non-competitive environment that also doesn't encourage hyperfocus are crucial for overall development. Had I stuck with music instead of gaming, I'd have also at least had a marketable skill instead of being the guy in his mid 30s crushing children in online Pokemon battles saying I've still got it
>>517348527As a musician who started later on, I wish my parents had me taught lessons early in life. It would have saved me a lot of trouble.
It's just part of a proper upbringing. Same with time outdoors, other creative outlets like drawing, educational toys, and practical skills in how to make and fix things. If they take to something thats great and if not that's fine too but at least get them the basics. Helicopter moms, weird asian parents in a status competition with each other, and burnouts who want to live vicariously through their kids who all demand it and force their kids to continue year after year are different but just sharing with your kid and building a musical household where families can sing and play and collaborate with each other is a healthier household and makes for good childhood memories. Teaching your kid more than just how to be a good productive goy for mr shekelstein shouldn't be a controversial opinion on /pol/.
>>517354112Reading has an even greater impact on IQ. But if I cite studies, I wonder if your dumb ass will let your kid grow up feral.
>>517348527>lust provoking image
>>517357383you are retarded- everything you listed can also be trained in videogames. they've changed a lot since you were playing shitty 2d scrollers.
>>517348527I'm 32 and wish I had learned an instrument in my life, it would have made me more disciplined and being able to play an instrument is kinda cool.I'm really into Jazz for years now but never bothered to learn piano or any other instrument like a clarinet.
>>517349027Way to be a failure when you're handed a winning hand. Faggot.
>>517351612>why don't you invest their energy in becoming a more useful golem like me
>parents force you to play guitar>your an old man now>old woman comes to your place>notices guitar>"oh, do you play guitar?"
>>517359852Old videos games are more like learning an instrument. Like being able to 1cc metal slug or something.
>>517348527White kids just pay to get into fraternities while everyone else has to actually perform to get ahead.
>>517348527I learned guitar on my ownfigured how to read tabs, which is very simple, printed tabs of songs I like, now can also read classic notation.I don't care about earning money out of it, chatgpt.com generates lyrics and guitar tabs for me, I record the songs (using my gaming microphone for vocals) and upload the songs on soundcloud and youtube, I have many musician friends on facebook and many girls that are interested in me.
>>517348527It's one of the few things that studies show will improve cognitive ability.Learning an instrument is a traditional avenue for the upper class; like any skill it's something to fall back on if you fail elsewhere. Being proficient musically actually opens you up to a whole industry, not just that of musician, since learning theory and notation go along with learning an instrument. >>517348886Yea, no one believes it, which is why high functioning upper and upper-middle class parents all make their kids learn an instrument. RETARD.
Not a single kid in the ghetto I grew up in took music lessons. No one could afford it. Couldn’t afford Boy Scout uniforms, brand name clothes, the latest electronic toys. All that shit was for the middle class and higher. The parents do it as a way of signaling to other parents that they too are part of their social class. Sending their kids to after school private tutoring, same thing. So what? I was top of my class in school, BTFO of those other tutored kids on the SAT and otherwise, excelled at tennis, and later taught myself guitar and bass. A rich parent can send their kids to piano lessons, but their kid will remain a dumbass.
/pol/ praises composers like Bach but suddenly a child playing a piano is bad?The child will play classical music that will benefit their brain growth.I know you would rather throw an ipad to your kid and blast nigger music but some of us are actually white.
>>517348527It develops him into more than a labor drone, thus increasing the likelihood of ending up better than a labor drone.
>>517353262> what china's rejuvenation looks like btw
>>517348859Actually this. Before the age of five the human brain is very elastic and can readily learn languages, and if developed mathematics. The neural pathways needed to learn an instrument are similar to math, so kids that learn music tend to also do better at math. But once the brain loses its elasticity after early childhood so learning languages or math becomes much harder later in life. Rich parents know this so try to foster healthy brain development in their children. So far the chemicals needed to allow the brain to readily learn language, music, etc as an adult have not been identified; but cannabinoids show promise
>>517348527They do it because it gives them the impression of belonging to the upper classes. You could do it with upper class type of sportball or any other activity the parents force on their kids to be "achievers". The actual content of the "achievement" is secondary. No one becomes more intelligent from performing music, its something you do if you like it.
>>517348527Learn to write
>>517348527Mouths that are busy playing the flute can’t be used to suck nigger cock. Remember: idle mouths are the Devil’s fleshlight.
>>517348527Most don't know what they like or what is in their best interest. That's why parents are theoretically supposed to have rights. An uncultured swine like you either doesn't have kids or has no idea how to raise kids. Children need structure and discipline and routine to stay on the straight and narrow path. It's also hard to match the brain development in a child that is learning to play an instrument, read music or a new language.
Kids are pretty stupid honestly, may as well force them to do something interesting. Even if they don't keep playing the instrument later in life, I think they'll look back on the time fondly. Most of the things I did in my childhood were pointless, but at least playing an instrument feels like some sort of an accomplishment
>>517357104It is genetic, smart people teach their kids an instrument. They teach their kid because they’re 15 iq points higher
>>517348527motor skills, rhythm, discipline and so on.not everything you make your child do is about specifically doing that thing. it's also about instilling some basic skills that can be transferred to countless other fields. same how you'll want your child to some sports, even if you do not expect them to continue practicing that specific sport in the future. it's just about assisting their development and ensuring they don't end up as mental cripples.
>>517348527I always hated instruments and thought it was fucking gay. As an adult I wish I played. I know so many people who love their instrument and it gives them so much joy playing it when they're bored. seems cool. My parents wanted me to learn piano. I wish I did
>>517348527Anything is better than screens and Netflix and iPads anon.
>>517348527>What's the point of forcing a child to learn an instrument they dislike?so they get CPTSD if you force them hard enough. so if they don't want to play an instrument, let them quit.if I had children I'd make them train in martial arts and meditation though. both are very essential for survival. and of course I'd help them in whatever they might be interested, be it music or etc.
>>517348527it's cargo cult mentalityblind mimicry without understanding>if my children play instrument, they will be successful like musicians... who are often poor despite being talented!>>517348620unless you are composing music from scratch, it's robotic thinking just to train yourself to mimic what others have written>>517348683games are better for brain because there's more problem solving, a wider variety of scenarios, more precise timings at times, requires broad thinking>investing time in musicafter the cassette/cd/mp3 player was invented, it's a bit of a waste putting years of life into it...>might lead to future careerchances are slim, especially in today's world>>517348712this, get them exposed to good musicif they are drawn to it, then encourage them to tryif they stick with it, good, if not, no big deal, they were probably supposed to be a dentist or something instead
>>517348527So they can entertain friends and family with music. Music is good for the brain and soul. Teach the kid piano and guitar, so they can play wonderwall in the college quad.
>>517348527My parents forced me and my sister to play piano when I actually wanted to learn taekwondo. I hated it at first because I thought it was lame and also because I figured they were just being cheap since my aunt was our teacher. But everything changed when I entered high school. Knowing how to play an instrument gave us a boost in social standing, and even teachers tended to favor us. Thanks, Mommy.
>>517348768>learning an instrument growing up>ending up in a rockbandpick one lmao. Rockbands are for burnouts who started learning when they were already like 15 and too old to ever be great so they rely on instruments that are easy to play because of frets and long scale lengths and use distortion to hide the fact that their technique is shit. The fact that the majority of famous rock bands can barely play their own songs live is an indictment of the entire genre. They "end up" as 70iq hasbeens because that's all they ever were, if they were any greater they wouldn't have ended up in a buttrock band.
>>517348585kids growing up learning meditatiom have on average 200 more IQ points
Playing music is a basic human skill anon. If you cant sing or play anything, thats like not knowing how to cook steak or shoot a gun. Like cooking and long range combat, music is something that is universal to all people while separating us from the rest of the natural world. You dont have to make it your whole life and passion (and shouldnt) but you really are missing out on the human experience if you dont play or sing, like a cuck listening in the corner while their favorite artist fucks music into life.
>>517348527Hand eye coordination development having your brain learn shit helps to develop it. It's the same with logical games
>>517366860how many songs have you written? lol
>>517366860same thing could be said for.... say, sewing. without sewing nobody would have clothes. but what I'm trying to say, just like sewing, is that music isn't for everyone.
>>517348527Discipline.If you can dodge a wrench you can dodge a ball.I mean if you can learn an instrument you can learn other stuff.Maybe, hopefully, you take them to performances of their instrument that inspire them enough to continue and flourish and grow.All knowledge has synergistic translation.
>>517366367Your head is so far up your ass lol. The difficulty or complexity of the art is not the criteria for anyone except jealous, contrarian nerds.
>>517367089Plenty Ive kept, plenty Ive left. Why the lol?>>517367129Right but my point is that you should be able to do all sorts of basic things even if it isnt “your thing”. Just like you can figure out>thread needle, weave to unite fabricyou can figure out>move fingers/respirate in this rhythm to make something that sounds decent
>>517357104According to Harvard 25-50% of IQ is genetics and the rest is epigeneticsMeaning your diet, environment, experiences (reading, music, exercise) etc;
>>517354650Nigger rap would've washed up like rock by the time they grow up.Piano is timeless, even nigger trap features the instrument
>>517348585Let me fix that for you, so seem to have gotten the data reversed.Kids with an average 15 more IQ points grow up learning an instrument.
>>517348527Learning instruments and shit like languages improves brain plasticity. Sure you don't need it to be a goy wageslave but it's not as useless as jerking off
>>517349639>>517349410>>517351166The sar isn’t wrong, you bob your head to nigger mumble rap don’t you
>>517348527It makes a difference between to be or not to be... here forever.
>>517354650You sound like a kike, but even they understand the beauty of western classical music
>>517348527It's increase their memory/brains.
>>517348527Artistic pursuits are self-justifying. If you don't understand, then you might not even be human, and are simply incapable of getting it.
>>517349326No, they're not
>what's the point of teaching our kids anything>why do we need to bring in loads of Indian and Chinese kids to run our STEM companiesPick two.
>>517348585>15 more IQ pointsWe got AI now, what's the point?It's same as with bodybuilding now.
>>517348527Strings and horns are white culture.
>>517348527It's a hobby.Most kids who do sports don't end up becoming career athletes either.
>>517348527Fuck inststrument, Painting is better.
My biggest regret in life is not learning at least one instrument during my formative years. My dad forced me to devote all my time to a sport I never did past high school, not even for leisure.
>>517360261I'm a little older than you and I just recently picked up piano, it's great fun and the progress is way faster than you think if you don't focus on classic training and instead just look up synthesia tutorials for songs you like on youtube. I can already play 2 pretty impressive songs after less than 2 months of playing. Just buy a cheap electric piano with weighted keys.
>>517348527Mostly the same as learning another language though music can help with math somewhat as well. It's that part where you have translate the music on a sheet into something your brain uses that's where the magic happens, same for learning a new language with all it's myriad rules.The translation is where the magic happens forcing you to think in ways you don't usually think unless you're a virtuoso and it just comes naturally to you, but then you're a genius of sorts to begin with.
>>517348712This.
>>517348712>and offer to pay for lessons if they want to go furtheruhm no. The little shits will work in the field for minimum wage if they want lessons.
>>517348527So they don't waste their whole free time on brain rot shit. What's so hard to understand? A child can spare 3h a week to learn something and will probably cherish their free time more.
>>517348941I once read that Harvard's school orchestra always needs bassoonists, so playing the bassoon can help you get into Harvard. Then I laughed because the only person in my high school who got into Harvard just so happened to play the bassoon.
>>517348527Musicianship shapes brains and neural pathways
>>517354807>>517355008>>517354650I wish we could afford the recorder, but here in the philippines we do not have such luxury. The only instrument I learned how to play was the desk as torrential typhoon flood waters carried everything in the classroom away each year
>>517348527Its massive exercise for their developing brains. If you care about your kids you should FORCE them into a sport and a kind of art. Any explanation to not do so are just excuses from a lazy parent.
>>517348527Forcing is one thing, pursuading is another. No kid should be threatened or "forced" to do something, but people throw around that word as if it means less than it does.For kids, being put on instrument lessons means:-learning discipline-learning that things don't come easily-learning how to challenge yourself, both personally and publically (recital)-learning the universal language, then carrying it with you for life-being able to prove to yourself that you are capable of incredible things-being granted a window into the souls of other human beingsIt build self-esteem and is 100% positive as a life skill, granted you aren't being caned for missing notes.
Make your child learn to speak Cantonese and play Bach fugues on the piano. Have your child do tumbling and juggling from an early age for physical development. Homeschool curriculum: the Trivium and math proofs. That should boost your child's IQ by 20 points.
>>517348527>What's the point of forcing kids to learn an instrument?it's a healthy cognitively stimulating hobby as opposed to vidya or social media or gooning
>>517373373This. Forcing is counterproductive. Encouraging is productive.
>>517366335i learned martial arts and instruments
>>517373533Same here. Glad I did.
>>517348527it makes them not fucking retarded. thats whyits pretty well documented too. its about a standard deviation higher on most tests of intelligenceyou shouldnt FORCE them to do anything related to music tho. theyll just end up hating it.just make the instruments available, and if they want more direct lessons, THEN you give em the fancy piano teacher afterschool
>>517348527Piano players get sex on demand>t. not a piano player
>>517373523humans are ohms law followers though, so you need to lay down the law for kids. Give them a choice and they'll play roblox on a tablet for that 1000 hrs instead of becoming something great.
>>517374265No tablets, no TV during their formative years.
>>517348527This is something I've been thinking about recently too, how pissed I am that I learned music for years as a kid. Not because it's useless, but because I didn't actually learn anything because it was taught so fucking shit. It's the coolest and basically the only actually useful skill you can learn as a child. You can just play for fun and have a constructive hobby or you can become a millionaire nowadays with YouTube.What else could you do that with? The times of learning math and becoming an engineer or some shit are over, and you never actually used the stuff you learn for that anyway, neither did any normal people have that as a hobby. Maybe sports can be good for health and to not be a loser, but it doesn't really have the reward of learning a skill like music does.
>>517363304And here you are on 4chan. Dude we all graduated at the top of our class without trying Truth is your “natural talent” edged out some mids with tutoring and now they’re off living their best life and your sulking about it on a Asian porn forum
>>517348585I can't believe I'm the first one to point out that the connection isn't causal.The most obvious confounder is childhood poverty, which we should expect to be strongly correlated with low IQ and not learning musical instruments. Parental IQ is the next most obvious and I suspect with both of those we'd have explained the entire effect.
>>517348527But chinks love to play the flute in Brussels orchestra, Chang.
>>517366367lel you rustled some feathers for sure. Now do one about cRap.
>>517348585I bet you playing video games at a high level gives you same result. But yeah this is the number 1 reason. Same reason you let kids do sports. >Physical activity is always good>Competition with people your age is always good>If a team sport builds the ability to work with others even if you don't agree or know each other all to well>>517348768Kids learning violins and pianos don't usually become rockstars. They don't usually even become musicians. At most they use the skills to hit on girls in college. >>517348976Same here. But I think it caps out at 2. I speak English, German, Czech, Croatian and Japanese.I have a theory here. Most people I meet online that are Europe aren't stupid. The most stupid Europeans i meet online are British or Irish. I call this the English IQ barrrier. Almost every damn Czech, Swede, German, Hungarian, Serbian, Frenchy, Spainard and so on isn't out right retarded. And I suspect it's because they had to go through the IQ barrier and learn English but learning english wasn't just English it was another culture. And this resulted in the retards being filtered out. >>517349220It's not the be all end all but if we look at the things you can do as a tool kit, IQ is one of the best hammers to have. >>517374387I'd have to disagree with this. I learned German purely by watchign TV never having steped into Germany until I was 15. All I had was German TV for fun shows and I simply learned by immersion as a kid.
>>517348527>Does learning music guarantee your child a good job?I play cello, I busk, it's given me a lot of cash throughout med school. If everything goes wrong in my life, but I still have my hands, I'll never starve. Not everyone can say that. >Will your child become a musician? My brother did music at uni and now does music tech jobs, he may never go touring but playing violin and piano put him in the right circles. >Could your child become a nationally touring musical maestro? Maybe if you give up on everything else, you can't be the best at music and also have a normal life, go to uni, be a doctor etc. At that point the drive probably has to come from within unless the kid actually worships the parent who's pushing them down that path.>He probably won't even land a gig playing piano in a bar, struggling to afford food each month.Maybe in America. Probably even there the big cities are a gold mine. >What's the point of forcing a child to learn an instrument they dislike?I think every kid should go through doing something they don't like, especially if it's something that has a lot of routine to the process of improving, and music is perfect because it's a meaningful artform. Makes you more divine.The reason being is you can extrapolate overcoming your inner toddler to other areas of your life even if you never do music as a profession. It's the same reason it's good to do maths in school, even if you never use it you still learn how to think.
>>517349785Man I find the most profound stuff on 4chan sprinkled with profanity and racism, it's the best.
>>517375143>I bet you playing video games at a high level gives you same result.Depends on the game. Tetris helps develop visual-spatial abilities.>I'd have to disagree with this. I learned German purely by watching TV Again, it depends on what you watch. But on the whole, TV is bad for developing young brains.https://archive.org/details/little-light-pseudology-the-art-of-lying
>>517348527Oh wow, why teach your children theory, technique, harmony and improvisation, all skills that any other skill in your life borrows from, plus having the borderline wizardry of showing yourself as better than other people around you instantly to people who actually believe you're better for it?No, I'm not teaching elite music to my children because of depression. I'm smart, I'll do what I want, my children is better off buying toys and doomscrooling tiktok. What the suzuki method even is?
>>517348527This is Jeet think.
>>517355233>>517354112Fuck is Little Timmy gonna do
>>517348585Thank you
>>517348814He's not a boomer just a Jeet.
>>517348527> The ultimate goal in life is to find a job.This fucking chocolate factory and watch assembling country...
>>517348527Improves discipline and boosts cognitive development.
>>517348527>I've never understood why parents force their children to learn instruments like piano or violin.Because you're dumb and knows nothing. I can only pity wisdom comes only after you had your life spent on frivolities.>Does learning music guarantee your child a good job?lol what a measure to lead life>Will your child become a musician?Maybe, maybe not. He well be considered better by anyone who sees him play anyways>Could your child become a nationally touring musical maestro?Lemme guess, you will only make any effort on your life for "perceived prestige". Just go lay down on your bed and wait to be dead, nothing will happen>He probably won't even land a gig playing piano in a bar, struggling to afford food each month....as everyone his age without a silver spoon up his ass? At least he can play?>What's the point of forcing a child to learn an instrument they dislike?"Oh, my child don't like to play the piano because I'm so much of an incompetent father I never read a book and don't know what positive reinforcement is"Skill issue
>>517348527>What's the point of forcing kids to learn an instrument?What is the point of forcing kids to learn anything? Kids who were forced to learn math didn't learn it. They're just dumb as bricks now.
Did anyone else play the flutophone in 3rd grade?
>>517375798>What the suzuki method even is?suzuki method has the right idea (ear training FIRST, then theory)but the way they do it is maniacal and completely overbearingidk if i ve EVER met someone who went through legit suzuki instruction and didnt come out DESPISING the violin
>>517348527Music is math. It develops pathways in the brain that lead to increased intelligence.
I can play this song with about 80% accuracy:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0Iq3H8ooL0I'd like to learn Piano, but grew up (and still am) poor as fuck. Never learned how to read sheet music or anything. Tried the top 2 page results of google to teach myself and couldn't.Only 105 IQ so maybe it's just not for me.
>>517376166Because they're japanese, of course, and their turbo autism can deal with it, they "kumon" the shit out of it. The early positive reinforcement people applies on western child prodigy methods are very effective, so it's not overbearing if playing the piano have the same effect on the kid that going out to play ball with other kids.
>>517348527Asian parents do it for weird reasons. I distinctly remembering asking my parents that I wanted to play the violin. Unfortunately they put me in a violin program doing Suzuki method which gave me stellar ear training but awful rhythm.I almost went to college for it but my senior year of high school I didn't make it to a state wide competition and only petered out at the regional level by one chair. Decided then and there it wasn't worth it. I still have my instruments but they need to be serviced by a luthier. I do choral singing instead because it's easier.Regardless I did it for fun.
>>517376070>He well be considered better by anyone who sees him play anyways>I play it for others for muh "perceived prestige"What a shallow loser you are>A...at least he can play?LMAO fucking cope ahahahahahahahahaha>"Oh, my child don't like to play the piano because I'm so much of an incompetent father I never read a book and don't know what positive reinforcement is"If you want positive reinforcement you can also teach them to be a butcher you fucking retard. You're a waste of air and you should seriously consider an heroing
>>517376330Is this a fucking toy? Just buy a yamaha P45 and lock yourself in a room for 2 years with it. Also Moonlight Sonata is not for your first rodeo
>>517376810It's a rhythm arcade game. I have zero musical training and just play rhythm games with my free time. I am well aware this askin to a guitar hero player thinking that just because they can beat Through the Fire and Flames with an 80% that they can play real guitar.
>>517376330What game and keyboard accessory?
>>517348527You shouldn't have kid at allBut without music life would be a mistake
>>517377249 Nostalgia Op. 3It's an arcade cabinet.
It's just Asians larping as upper class whites. Basic imitation. They don't have the inner need or interest for the arts, they just see this as an entry into high society. That's why they send their kids to all these prestigious white upper class schools even though it does nothing for them on the fundamental level for they lack the type of brains needed for higher education.
>>517376806Oh, you can't see the difference between playing your instrument to your neighbours and family and co-workers and be recognized as an amazing human being, all you care is to win national championship and be recognized as an insufferable asshole by your neighbours, family and coworkers. You know absolutely nothing about what prestige means and how to have it, noted>you can also teach them to be a butcher you fucking retardOf course you can. What's stopping you? It's so productive! I bet your butcher kid will swim in pussy>You're a waste of air Thank you, you too>>517376903Yes, toss the toys and spend more time with the instrument instead. Consider that most child prodigies have 10+ years experience when they reach 20 years old, and at least 2 of these were banging at the instrument without any proficience. There is literature testifying that it takes at least 2 years of full focus to get to high proficiency, so if you have a job and can only play like an hour every day, resignation is your main virtue, because it will take you way longer than 2 years, so better start now.
>>517377702Thanks
>>517377811I'm poverty-stricken, so I can't just go "buy" a piano, let alone play it in paper wall thin apartment. I'm a youtuber, so I technically have infinite free time. My channel generates about as much revenue as a $20 an hour wagie working 40 hours, just without the health benefits and shit a wagie job gets you. Except I spend at most maybe 15 minutes to 19 hours a day making videos, depending on how hard I want to go on a video. I've been a tournament contender in rhythm games for the past 20 years or so, so all the musical talents those give (beath rhythm, bpm timing, etc) I should be proficient in. I just don't think it's worth it. Won't make me any friends, will be hard as fuck to monetize. (Make vidya game cover with piano -> copyright claimed by some dork who already did it first, or just get no views cause my audience wouldn't give a shit.)Really my only reason to get good at piano would be to get good at the "toy."
>>517348527>4channer doesnt understand the concept of hobbies or keeping kids busyclassic
>>517376903>I am well aware this askin to a guitar hero player thinking that just because they can beat Through the Fire and Flames with an 80% that they can play real guitar.yea thats retarded. but you at least clearly have the coordination and discipline to learn if you wanted toyou just gotta actually fucking do itso pick an instrument. piano is probably the best to learn theory from. but i did it with guitar (arguably the worst to learn theory on) and it ended up fineif you dont wanna just start from the top and learn to read sheetmusic, learn how to use solfegge (and later, chromatic solfegge) to identify intervals. then learn to identify chord qualities. then just sit next to the radio or your record player and try to learn songs by ear. ear training is the most important part. a lot of ppl tend to spend more time drilling themselves with the metroinome and finger exercises, but being able to hear something and play it (or respond to it) in real time is the ACTUAL fun part of music imo
Anons have a good point with the whole "why learn to piano when mp3 player exists"But what about composing music? Digitally or physically.
>>517349104have you heard of the relationship between correlation and causation. not trying to be mean just asking
>>517374668You are right, it's bullshit and the wrong way of thinking too. The people suggesting it are subhuman like the soulless chink parents who force their kids. Just learn music for what it is.
>>517356777>before video games kids were less retarded>after video games kids are kys tier hypertardsHey rabbi, whatcha doin'?
>>517378150>I'm poverty-stricken, so I can't just go "buy" a piano, let alone play it in paper wall thin apartment.every piano ive ever owned (3, but still) has been me checking the internet for free pianos. theyre big, and ppl dont wanna move em, so its pretty common actually that ppl will just want rid of them. moving anything bigger than the stand-up pianos fucking SUCKS, but just get some buddies and a u-haul (or ryder truck if youre tedpilled), and dont live on the 3rd floor lolyou might have to get it tuned, as pianos dont take well to getting moved/banged around, but thats not that much desuyou could also check any 2nd hand store ever and get a cheap electric casio keyboard. its better than nothing
>>517378841>Get some buddies.I have no friends. >A u-haulCosts money. It's just not meant to happen. Niggers would just break in and steal it anyway.
Some schools are really bad for this, they'd sicc a fucking recorder on you and that's it. I had more fun slapping a fucking triangle than I ever did with a recorder.Later on I played guitar very casually until I got mallet finger
>>517348527Encourages lateral thinking and hand/eye coordination
>>517378150Brother, wageslave for some months and buy a Casio P45, there, you have a learning piano>I'm a youtuberOh, I see. You're a moron. We're done here
>>517378966trust me m8NO ONE is stealing a fucking piano lolcheck a second hand store for a shitty casioits basically a toy compared to a real piano, but you can absolutely learn on them. and were talking like 5-20 bucks. maybe.just play music. itll absolutely improve your life and mental well-being. its just good for you. and youre obviously already interested in it, so why not
>>517348585That's because they usually come from upper class households.
>>517349865Money is a lower class obsession. Arts appreciation is one way the middle class filters them out. Unfortunately cheap credit and garbage pop culture have made it harder to do so.
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>>517370997Strings and woodwinds to be more precise
>>517349203>the same reason you should get your kids to go to the gym.Gym and playing violin are completely different.Let me illustrate.
>>517348585fpbp, plus guys who can play instruments are a lot less likely to become incels.
Don't force your kids to play an instrument but encourage them.Practicing music sucks, but once you nail down some songs it is FUN to play music.
>>517349027You would have been even more retarded
>>517382109unironically this, the band geeks back in school were getting laid the most out of anybody
>>517354807I started playing this, and shortly after, I started thinking about cocks. Now I’m blowing guys left to right. That’s pretty much all I do. I wish my parents didn’t force me to play the flute. But at the same time I’m thankful. I wouldn’t be enjoying all these cocks without it.
>>517382287Yeah, but never quality pussy. Was the same thing here. Those who got it first always got some raunchy chubby converse wearing pussy.
>>517348527My mother is a music teacher, i played the piano for like 10 years. Wasnt particulary talented in that though.
>>517349231Don't let age stop you anon. Well I mean obviously you won't be famous or anything, but I didn't join a band until my 30s.
>>517348768Theres worse fates than becoming a rock star, being world famous, having cocaine fueled orgies with pretty young women then fading out and dying while your legacy lives on in music. Most of humanity doesnt get that nice of a life.
In the 19th century there was a fad in western universities to adopt ancient Greek attitudes to education.And the Greeks believed that students -- the future leaders of the nation -- should be well rounded individuals, not just academic experts.So students were expected to be proficient in music and sports, not just book study.This is different in other cultures (Asian/Jewish) where students are expect to concentrate 100% on academics.
>>517379771this simple 'modifier' skews like all of these studies, and they even admit there's no good control for it. this is basically me defending nonwhites, but it is what it is
>>517348585My source? I made it the fuck up.
>>517348527>I've never understood why parents force their children to learn
>>517348527It's good for their minds but parents also tend to do it for prestige
>>517348527Can think about a few good things>Higher self-esteem, support from parents >more time investment in children >Better hand eye coordination>Practically just like a second language>Frustration/failure tolerance>Children can boast about how much he can play an instrument>Instantly Better social status, even if playing the flute>>517383932Lucky bastard, Meanwhile mongrels like me had teacher parents who didn't teach me shit. An artist mother who didn't bother to teach me how to draw or do literally anything :(
>>517348527Language skills and muscle memory are best established at a young age before the brain and body really form routine habits. Assuming your kid is interested, it's unironically the best time for them to learn music or another language.The problem is that these sort of talents in western society were largely an middle-upper class thing as historically those children had the free time to do so. Now it's more of a hobby thing, but foreign big people ram their kids through anything extracurricular not as a way to assimilate but as a way to one-up the natives. You can see this with pajeet spelling bees where for the average white family spelling bees are a fun side gig thing your kids do if they have an active interest where pajeets have appeared and made their kids and the whole environment super try hard to the point nobody white cares anymore. And the children will just grow to resent both their parents and the society that will never truly accept them.
>>517379771>>517385222That's certainly a part of it, but there is evidence that musical training at a young age influences how the brain develops (in a positive way). Kind of similar to how reading at a young age also is one of the few known hacks to making your kid smarter.
>>517356777mortii matii de jidanObviously video games made you understand the above.
>>517348585kids growing up learning the holocaust is fake and christcucks handed jews control of your nation's money supply have on average 50 more IQ points
>>517353900>what is phrasing, articulation, dynamics, etc.Two people can play the same piece with perfect technique and zero errors but the creative choices they make will make their performances sound vastly different. Classical pieces don't get re-recorded all the time just for fun (well it's fun to play a great masterpiece so that's part of it). Different performers will have different interpretations and styles of playing which make it sound very different. I know for some certain pieces; there are specific versions I am very used to and prefer.Also that's not even getting into shit like jazz which obviously has entire sections of improvisation.
>>517348585You say like that's a good thingSubhuman lowbrow niggers like you have no idea how shit it feels to be more intelligent than an average person, to notice how shit this world is and your own inability to change it unless you stab people endlessly in the back. Not that this world deserves to be saved anyway.
>>517348527just play the fucking piano anh tu
>>517348527>what's the point of forcing knowledge and skill growth inside of an elastic learning machine
>>517348527genius is stoked through the arts, great minds don’t develop purely through a textbook bubble, and Einstein loved playing the violin
>>517348527Develops the brain. creativity. it serves as social hook in both teenager age and adulthood.
>>517348527fine motor skill activities in youth increase neoplasticity, and increase the speed and durability on dendritic connections between synapses in the brain. Increases focus and discipline . Stress relief, and anxiolytic. Also increases chances of mating success. Literally makes your brain reach its full potential.>t. music teacher
>>517348768>>517366367>"become" a 70iq grug or whatever>but also in a world famous rock band, make millions of dollars, get tons of life experience seeing the world, and have lots of sex with beautiful women>get to spread your seed amongst groupies giving you dozens of children you don't have to care for all over the world, making you more fit than some random seething faggot on pol?sounds great
if any anon is reading this, force yourself to learn an instrument right nowdont even do an hour a day, just 15 minutes, anyone can do thata lot of people get good at sight reading but thats more like being a musical robot, you need to practice enough to "break through" and your brain will be capable of improvisations and solos. when your muscle memory is just barely good enough, find a backing track and attempt to solo in that key, all instruments can do it
>>517348527I don't believe in forcing them, but I'd definitely encourage it. It's good for their brain development and it's a lovely skill to have. Especially in this era of retardation and apathy
>>517348527>Does learning music guarantee your child a good job?No, but it certainly doesn't prevent you from getting a job.>Will your child become a musician?>Could your child become a nationally touring musical maestro?Some of them will, yes. Most great musicians started their training very early.
>>517348527Whenever you read about history's greatest composers like Kenji Ito or Nobuo Uematsu, it seems like they were drawn to the piano themselves rather than having it forced on them.
>>517348527Learning an instrument, in conjunction with musical theory restructures the brain to be much more in tune with mathematical patterns and really patterns in general, same as learning multiple languages. Both my kids go to music school and learn 2 languages other than Russian. And no, it's not to show them off as my pet projects to other upper middle class Muscovites, It's literally for their brain development. I can already see they are both miles ahead of me at their age in intelligence and understanding, and they don't even hate it all that much because my wife also went to music school, so she can explain all the arcane tonal shifting incantations and forbidden knowledge that may as well be cuneiform to me.For my part, I converse in English and Czech with them before they even entered middle school. Just did math olympics round with my son too. It feels good to raise non-retards.
>>517348527teaching them hand eye coordination and rhythm, two important skills. also, being good at an instrument is a huge bonus in the dating market
>>517348527So they can grow up and get featured into a facial abuse video for 100 USD.
>>517348527Good to get kids in the habit of having at least one high skill hobby. Doesn't have to be an instrument, could be learning ancient Greek, an instrument is just generally easier to measure their progress.
>>517348527I play the guitar. It gets me baddie hoes
>What's the point of having a fundamental understanding of music theory?idk man maybe to appreciate any kind of melody beyond the comprehension capacity of a fucking dog or something you nigger
>doing anything is worthless unless it makes you MONEYbugman, gypsy and amerilard behavior
>>517385886I feel your pain. Mom was an artist too and never taught me shit about art. ADHD cunt was too busy leeching off my hard-working dad, chasing half-a-dozen career paths that never panned out, and treating me like either a handbag to be dragged everywhere or a trophy to show off.Though she did teach me how to write well, I'll say that much for her.
>>517348585Kids with high iq tend to wear fancy clothes, clearly the silk made them smart
>>517390130your kids don't know shitmastery takes years of focus which they will not even get closeyou are deluding yourself or have very low standards
>>517348527most parents are sick in the head and want to force their children to do anything the child hates. This often leads to them having failed jobs and careers that the parents pushed them into.
>>517348527No, but it helps you develop finger-dexterity, actually helps you be better at learning sequential information and pattern recognition. It also grants you a social edge.
>>517351434All of my kids appreciate that I forced them to take piano lessons as children. It was the dividing line between them growing up with very little money and growing up in poverty.We didn't have much money, but we did not live in poverty. They didn't get $200 tennis shoes, they got piano lessons instead.It took them well into adulthood to realize that their friends who got $200 tennis shoes or sparkly trinkets were not the lucky ones.
>>517354112You seem to be very fond of masturbation.
>>517354798That's because it teaches many things.But, the most important thing is, there has to be a parent willing to take the time to "force" the kid to take lessons and "force" practice.People whose parents invest time like that usually end up with successful children.
>>517360261Learn the ukulele.There's hundreds of vids on YT.It's very easy and will teach you the basics if you want to move on to bass or guitar or other stringed instruments.A tenor uke is just a small, 4 stringed guitar.
>>517348527Because it's a nice skill to have. My parents never let me learn an instrument and I was a complete retard in music class in school. I was even afraid of it sometimes because I would get bad grades. My kids learned the paino and played as long as they wanted too. Only recently they quit. But they're pretty good at it.
>>517348527Nirvana super fag Dave Grohl never had any formally musical training/can't read music and fucker can play the guitar, drums, on elite level.
>>517390130music theory is kind of funny in that the most complex sounding terms are in reality the most basic of concepts. I could say some shit that sounds smart like “oh yeah bro the German augmented sixth is enharmonic to the tritone substitution of the secondary dominant” but when it comes down it we are really just discussing a common cadence of a bVI chord leading to the usual V, just borrowing a little from the parallel minor scale (or specifically Mixolydian b6 if someone wants to be all WELL AKSHUALLY about it)
Your kid learning an instrument can be useful, but please do it in a social manner and not in a competitive one. Also try to pick an instrument that gets you pussy.>t. Piano virgin who had to spent half of his youth in private classical piano lessons and competitions
>>517395139> It took them well into adulthood to realize that their friends who got $200 tennis shoes or sparkly trinkets were not the lucky onesShithead boomer justifies forcing their kids into shit with some made up egotistical scenario. People like you is why stuff like flat earth exists.
>>517396672Who are you Steve Martin? The faggiest instrument possible. At least fat ass John Popper got pussy with his harmonica.
It was probably the one thing that I really hated my parents for. I really wanted to play the violin at 6. But my parents just told me "violin was too hard and I would just give up" or "violin is for fags, real men play the guitar" (dad is a blue collar hillbilly) or "you are too young to learn that". They couldn't even be bothered to do basic research into it that most violinists start at 6.Finally got lessons as an adult at 33 and I'm actually pretty good at it. Been doing Celtic Fiddle and Classical. It's good to learn a high skill hobby at a young age and if you are associated with a music school they often have seasonal concerts that are nice social events to network with other quality people. I often think I would have had better luck socially if I had been involved in the music community at a younger age. Dad just wanted to shoot animals and gut fish tho so that took priority for the family.My son wants to take piano lessons so I'm enrolling him in those in a couple months.
>>517378966>Niggers would just break in and steal it anyway.Niggers won't steal a piano. That takes actual effort.
>>517349146>hear, hear!
>>517348527This is a shill thread, but its an effective one. The answer is obvious, no need for 300 posts.
>>517348527>doesnt want jr. playing halen in the morning. NGMI
>>517397587They all know how to play the piano and can read basic music.Their friends who had nigger tier parents (usually only a mother) ended up with a trash can full of worn out shoes. Anon, I am sorry your mother didn't care about you enough to push you to learn things other than immediate gratification.
>>517397932Learning to play uke makes it much easier to learn to play the banjo.
>>517398098>social events to network with other quality peopleThis is an important thing, as well. Also gives confidence, as performing in front of an audience can help in many other aspects of life.
>>517398098>Finally got lessons as an adult at 33 and I'm actually pretty good at iLolLmao even
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DcsvNANiRAg
>>517366090your parents never loved you, cope harder retard
>>517348527>whats the point of anything >I hate kids>i hate myselfJust fucking do it already xD
>why should my child be a balanced individual who knows how to do things they don't necessarily want to do, be able to express themselves and enact beauty through dextrous use of a tool, and have a talent that helps their brains process information more effectively and quickly?How brown are you? I know you asian people can run the gamut from dirt black to greenish white so I'm just curious.
>>517348527As someone who was diagnosed with ADHD and caused all types of problems in the classroom, this is literally what kept me out of trouble.Looking back it was almost as if it was a pacifier lmao.
>>517376810Jupiter 8
>>517348527It's a good way to keep them from being an incel.
>>517349552the endless cityscapes of crystal palaces filled with classical music in nuanced detail literally saved me from total implosion.
>>517400183>>517398098Kek
>>517375295it's not just nice, it's science...because of the implication...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFH9K7-l2zAhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8v2p8en3ekpour vous, anon...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uiknhtq9mRc
>>517348527>What's the point of forcing kids to learn an instrument?the point for these useless shits learning instruments is that these retards could actually start editing the hmv and pmv to the beat finally.fucking idiots here, on god.
>>517348527it's better than burning ants all day timmy.
>>517348527So they can play and understand music as adults
>>517375143>But I think it caps out at 2.would this have been the case if you'd nested the languages; ie, learning german using english, japanese using german, and so forth?
>>517398098> I really wanted to play the violin at 6.same but ended up with sax and stopped not long after. how did you come by classical music exposure apparently independent any familial influence? older cartoon featuring classical music was certainly a great favor to all children.
>>517401547I see, it's Guitar Hero with a piano. I was like 20 hours in Guitar Hero and I figured out I shoudl buy a guitar and play that instead of a toy. I'm not even close to good, of course, but the longer the time goes, the better I get, and more time I have to play the guitar instead of wageslave to pay the bills, because I have a proper profession that pays well without slaving. nor woman and children to raise. I can only go up from here, you should start now so you can go up too.
Philistines are worse than niggers.
>>517348527> an instrument they dislike?Just let your kid choose between piano and violin.
