So this baby is comprised entirely of hydrogen and helium, both elements which are lighter than air? So if you brought the sun to earth, it would float in the sky yet is so supermassive it pulls all planets in the solar system to circle around it as it careens around the center of the galaxy? I don't get it. Where is the lie? Is it gravity? is it space fabric or space time? Is this not common sense? Am I just retarded? Are YOU just retarded? Real talk, wtf
>Am I just retarded?yeah
>>517938540Explain it to me as if I was 5 years old than
>>517938689>thanNigger I’ll help you: scale
It's lighter than air; that's why it floats in space.
>>517938794If gravity is real, wouldn't the sun bend space fabric into a perfect sphere? Then why are the orbiting planets movements circular and not spherical? >>517939899Then what pulls the planets to it?
>>517940096It's so light, it pulls everything with it as it rises through the air.
>>517938150>Am I just retarded?I'm afraid so, Anon, but you can find answers to your questions just not here. Since you're not asking about politically charged topics you'll probably get good answers by asking chatgpt or another AI.
>>517940440It's political because it means we are being lied to and everything we've been told, right up to the fundamentals of existence, are elaborate lies and hoaxes.
>>517938150Roman used to Worship the SunNot a dead kike beggar on a stick
>>517940381But there is no air density it space. The sun might be lighter than air but space is still lighter than the sun
>>517940613Just because you don't understand concepts in physics/astronomy doesn't mean it's fake.There's a reason so much effort is going into creating a self-sustaining nuclear fusion reactor i.e. what a star like the Sun does, it'd be the end game for power generation. Who knows, maybe that's why it's always 20 years away.
>>517938150>Am I just retarded? Are YOU just retarded?I trust God.You trust science fiction.I'll take my chances.
>>517941294>There's a reason so much effort is going into creatingThat's kind of my point though. The sun may as well be a man made creation as part of an engine that is the entire solar system. >>517941576>Trust GodWhich God?
The Sun is not a nuclear bomb, it is an electric plasma light bulb.
steel is heavier than feathers
>>517941576You know that number 3 on the list is completely untrue, right. Pilots calculate for centrifugal force like snipers so when their target is far enough out
>>517938150Not entirely, there should also be heavier elements up to sulfur in there, that are less stable.
>>517938150The sun is actually liquid/solid.
>>517938150heat that hot gets weird mystical space properties, also, it's core is literally condensed sun sghetti. the sun also used to be yellow before the cunts on top decided we needed a white sun (iykyk)
>>517941972Apparently, when it was first born, all it contained was hydrogen and helium. Other elements exist in it now apparently but only a tiny amount
>>517940613Yes, nuclear physics taught in universities is a lie. It's a religion masquerading as objective truths. Nothing in this subject is provable by experimentation in any way, so most of it should be thrown out as being unknowable.
>>517940613No. It means you're a stupid fucking nigger who shouldnt have a say in society.
>>517941901ah don get et
>>517942258#PLUTOISAPLANET
>>517938150Hydrogen and helium are the outer layers. Once the hydrogen is mostly consumed, it will swell to encompass the inner planets, then shrink again and begin using helium.
>>517938150God damn you are one stupid motherfucker.
>>517942258If that is to scale, our planet is still made of rock and the sun of helium apparently. This makes no sense. The sun is either lighter than air or is a mechanical engine that was engineered by an advanced civilization
>>517942823>Last resort of the imbecile
>>517938150Helium and Hydrogen in the Sun have no idea what is Oxygen and Nitrogen.
>>517942823How am I the stupid one? The composition of the sun basically disproves gravity. It's all magnetism
>>517938150Angular momentum to the 'grain' of space is much more powerful than gravity
>>517938150>am I just retarded? Yes.Mass is mass. If the sun was made of very dense matter, like the earth, it would still weigh the same as the sun but be smaller, as heavier elements are denser than helium, like your brain, for example - and all other planets would behave exactly the same (orbit the "dense" star).There's no "air" (particles) in space, there's almost (save for a particle here and there) nothing at all so it is almost a perfect vacuum. This includes asteroids and planets - space is really big. You can confirm this yourself with a telescope. Galileo understood this concept centuries ago.Gravity is bound to gravity. As long as it is "stronger" than the constant expansion of space-time between masses of particles, it will pull and react to one another.Since the sun is most of the mass in our star (star = the sun) system, it is the most powerful gravity in the "zone", and all other masses, like the planets, moons, asteroids, comets and even dust is bound to it and can never escape it - save for masses that move extremely fast in the right trajectory, such as out of the solar system objects that are moving too fast to be bound to the stars gravity - they're still affected by it when they get near. Like 3i Atlas.That's also the reason our solar system is bound to the supermassive blackhole in the center of our galaxy, Sagittarius a*.In a sentence? Your mama so fat, everything gravitates towards it, you retard.
Some religions like Zoroastrianism worship sun god but you're not ready for that conversation.
>>517938150>Where is the lie?What the jews are hiding from you is Flat Sun Theory. Look it up, our universe is not what the kikes say it is.
>>517938150also don't ask about vacuum in space
>>517938150dont forget to squeeze the air out of the bag before you weigh your produce at the grocery storehaha just kidding i know you survive on wheat and basedbean oil you stupid coon, and you purchase it in the most marked-up format, too, nigger
>>517945595oh cool i can't refer to beans that exist on earth on this shitty web site, cool no wonder you are all so insane
>>517943617>It's all magnetismFucking magnets, how do they work? Didn't you juggalos die out when they shut down the fanta bottling factory?
>>517941732>Which God?There is only one God. Search up the ontological argument.
>>517945689lurk moar
>>517940096>Then what pulls the planets to it?magnets
Nearly all of science since Newton is pure bullshit and will be outed as such in the next 50-100 years. It's based on false jewish materialist axioms and based on the premise that we are mere passive observers in reality rather than active contributors. This is why jew physicists get hard thinking about determinism and the universe being structured in a deterministic way of mathematical order, because the idea that the average person might have free will or agency terrifies them and makes them kvetch.
op just think of the sun as a hydrogen tank that someone opened and light a match to. it will burn off the gas inside until it's all gone. if you brought it to earth it would scorch the atmosphere burning it off and kill everything.when you have enough hydrogen, it forms its own spherical shaped tank under gravitation. starts burning from within, and the heat escapes in the form of radiation. because the valve is too small so only light can get through. (in the tank example you can increase the flame or decrease it by adjusting the valve nozzle). likewise in the sun example, the amount of gas you have at the beginning affects the burn rate and size of the valve opening. if you remember your high school chemistry class, hydrogen can exist as a liquid, gas, solid or plasma depending on the pressure/temperatures involved. so what's going on in the sun is not quite the same thing as the gases you are familiar with here on earth.
>>517938150>>517945341>Gravity is real therefore 85% of matter in the universe is "dark matter" and can't be explained or measure except for its absence and the existence of gravity itself. Sure thing Albert Jew-steinyour mom went to college
>>517938689Our Sun started out as something called a protostar. A protostar is a very young star that is still gathering mass from its parent molecular cloud in space. It is the earliest phase in a star's life. For a low-mass star (like our Sun or lower), it lasts about 500,000 years. The phase begins when a molecular cloud fragment first collapses under the force of self-gravity and an opaque, pressure-supported core forms inside the collapsing fragment. It ends when the infalling gas is depleted, leaving a pre-main-sequence star, which contracts to later become a main-sequence star at the onset of hydrogen fusion producing helium, heat, and shining like a star.
>>517942871holy shit you are a fucking retard
>>517938150Consider if you had a sun the size of a golf ball, so not big enough to consume the entire earth. If you dropped it, would it float in earth's atmosphere? No, it wouldn't because, even though the sun is comprised of lighter elements, they are not in gas form, they are in a very dense plasma state. Consider the density of water. When it is in a vapor state, it rises in the air. When it is in a liquid state, which is more dense, it falls (as rain).Now, to consider gravity, even if the sun weren't dense, it could still exert a gravitational pull... you could have a much larger object in size but the same mass... the same quantity of hydrogen and helium but spread out to occupy more than a thousand times the amount of space. It would exert the same gravity as it does now. But it would quickly collapse on itself because it would be simply gas, so it would have no structure to resist the pull of its gravity and it would collapse. And, as it collapsed, it would heat up, and its state would change into plasma and it would turn into a sun.
>>517938150You post under a meme flag and ask if you're retarded? Of course you are. Fucking retard.
>>517946820Where did you read me talking about dark matter? Are you also retarded?Dark matter is bullshit, the universe is electromagnetic, but this concept is surely too hard to grasp for this thread OP.
>>517946820we have dark matter coming through the solar system right now you retard
>if you brought the sun to earth, it would float in the skysource?
>>517948469The average density of the Sun is about 1.408 grams per cubic centimeter, which is roughly one-quarter that of Earth, and about the same as corn syrup. The Sun would sink in the ocean and not float in the sky.
>>517948080This is bait, right? Dark matter only "exists". Because gravity can't explain the mass of the universe. Because gravity isn't real. From Google>Dark matter is an invisible, mysterious substance that constitutes most of the universe's matter, but it does not emit, absorb, or reflect light, making it undetectable
>>517947617>Dark matter is bullshit, the universe is electromagnetic, but this concept is surely too hard to grasp for this thread OPOnly problem is that this was my point exactly. Life as we know it is only possible due to absolute precision os circumstances yet, our understanding of physics is based on such a crude concept of gravity. "Dude, shit is heavy so it bends other shit and that's why planets orbit stars". I don't buy it
>>517938150they just inverted the earth and dome, making the earth spherical and the universe flat and vast, so all the goyim observations from earth still match itthis is the key, everything else like sizes, elements, distances etc is pure bullshit patched up as issues appearedthe heliocentric world view is literally one of the most retarded stories ever told
>>517942871Would you rather have a 100 pound rock or a 100 pound bale of cotton balls dropped on your nuts?
>>517951585How about 100 pounds of fire?How many fires is that exactly?
>>517938150>So if you brought the sun to earth, it would float in the skyNo, the Earth would plasmatize.
>>517946944so you're trying to teach above average (> 120 IQ) physics conceptsto a 75 IQ retardyou think it's going to work ?why don't you explain to him the standard model, faggot
>>517938150just try figuring out how we "know" the sun is 93 million miles away and not 186 million milesyou will find out that all the distances are calculated from a single, out-of-the-ass assumption, and that the whole model is literally garbage
>>517940096Those idiotic 2d models you are referring to are completely inaccurate. Space, outside of time, is 4 dimensional. We are in a 3d segment of it just like a shadow exists in a 2d segment of our 3d environment. We have the same ability to experience 4d as our shadow does 3. When your shadow is cast on an never object you can see how it ripples. Our section of 3d space is so large it is otherwise flat. Mass disrupts that flatness from the 4th dimension and our 3d shadow ripples around it but from all directions. Our experience of gravity on earth is inverted. Being drawn towards the sun is the action of falling up not down.
>>517939899>It's lighter than air; that's why it floats in spaceBut anon, there's no air in space for it to float in. The sun's material is light at the outside, but it is so large it gets compressed under its own gravity so that at the core it is more than 12 times denser than lead. That's enough compression to sustain nuclear fusion.
>>517938689Mass curves space-time around it and objects orbit around mass which curves spacetime adequately enough to capture it like a marble circling the drain in a sink but never actually falling in because the orbit exists in the state of equilibrium where it's neither too fast to escape nor too slow to fall in.
>>517951960>Dude gravityIt doesn't take intelligence to understand gravity. We learn about it when we are children. It was easy to understand than. But I'm an adult now and you're telling me a nebula made of hydrogen and helium became so big, it became dense and collapsed on itself creating a perfect sphere undergoing perpetual fusion reaction and that explains our solar system and all life on earth? All because a space cloud became so large that it became dense and heavy? I'm supposed to believe all this because they showed us 2d models of gravity by placing a marble on a piece of fabric when we were in grade school?It's easy to understand shit when you dont understand shit, I guess
>>517940897Nothing = air.Lighter than air = floast.Simple as.
>>517951960yes of course. the standard model of particle physics is like a recipe book for everything in the universe. it tells us what the tiniest building blocks of matter are, and how they interact with each other. there are two types of tiny particles called quarks and leptons that make up all matter. quarks are what protons and neutrons are made out of inside of atoms. leptons are particles like the electron which zooms around. besides the two types of matter particles, there is another type of particle called a force particle. these are particles like photons which causes light and electricity, gluons which hold quarks together inside protons and neutrons, bosons which cause radioactivity and mass, and we are working to this day to discover or refute the existence of a graviton that would cause gravity. the standard model is the best explanation we have of what everything is made of in our universe and how it all works; except for gravity, dark matter, dark energy, and some other details related to black holes, quantum tunneling, virtual particles, and the big bang.
>>517952804>creating a perfect sphereAs opposed to what a d20 dice, an amorphous blob? The fact you're implying this is somehow strange or unexpected shows you've got no idea what you're talking about. >perpetual fusion reactionIt's not perpetual
>>517948080>the fucking this>the fucking thatlolarp>>517950500>undetectable>matter They're earning their paychecks.
>>517938150Hydrogen is the most abundant element in the universe. Empty space has many scattered particles floating in it, one of which being protons. By definition a proton is a positively charged Hydrogen ion. So empty space has a bunch of Hydrogen atoms floating around in it.You're right that Hydrogen is very light, but that means that you need more gravity to keep it from flying away. That's why you don't see as much Hydrogen on Earth outside of chemicals like water because the Sun's energy is enough to heat the Hydrogen to escape velocity, but not on larger bodies like the gas giants or on the Sun itself. The higher gravity on those bodies is enough to trap the Hydrogen. This leads to snowball effect: more gravity -> pulls more Hydrogen -> increases gravity -> pulls more Hydrogen. So to answer your question: the reason the Sun is full of Hydrogen is because of its gravity, and the reason for its gravity is because of all the Hydrogen in it. Gravity only looks at mass. It doesn't care about density until the gravity becomes high enough to challenge the strong force like in a neutron star. I hope this helps you understand.
>>517952804It's not perpetual, it'll stop eventually.
The Earth is flat because it was revealed to me in a dream.
>>517938150it's a portal to another dimension
>>517953591>most abundant molecule in the universe>lmaohbtw there's none on earth, enjoy your fossil fules
>>517938150I hate it when retards "learn" new things.
>>517938150>pullsIt hasn't pulled anything for billions of years.There is an orbit that is constant and gravity stays constant until acted upon.The odds of anything changing that constant is astronomical (literally)
>>517938689Gravity depends how massive something is, not how dense it is. Sun is mostly made of very light stuff. But there's a lot of it.Think ton of feathers vs ton of lead.
>>517953861I didn't say that there was none Earth. Most of the Hydrogen is in the form of chemicals like water and hydrocarbons which aren't as light as Hydrogen.
>>517953591>I hope this helps you understandIt really doesn't. When we were children, we were taught to define words without using the world itself. Gravity doesn't seem definable without referring back to gravity itself
>>517938150>black metallic hydrogenIt's the fundamental element. Black holes emit the stuff. Electric Universe model has problems from a century of quantum flogiston merchant science, but it's in the ballpark. Bean counter atomists only make gains the hardest way— and observing materials under extremene environmental conditions ought to vitiate their bullshit, eventually—
>>517954100Listen, if you think you're so smart, then why don't you try finding the theory of everything then? Until then, gravity just is what it is because that's what we observe.
>>517954100Gravity is a force of mutual attraction between massed particles. There's a definition that doesn't include the word gravity. Moron.
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