yt people rly waited in line to shoot eachother LMAO
>>519598066>fecaloids think movies are real
>>519598066that's how you shot multiple volleys at your charging enemy before you maybe fought in meleethe europeans literally conquered the world with this against the melee people
Worked against negroids, then again the zulus weren't people
Even when we shoot each other we (white people) have the ability to wait in line.
>>519598191They didn't do what the patriot portrayed. It's not a historical documentary. They used cover and other things you'd expect.
>>519598388it was a sign of strength to be portrayed that you didn't need to hide behind cover, so all artistic portrayals had this depictionJohn Sedgwick stood up out of cover of enemy gunfire and claimed "They couldn't hit an elephant at this distance"
>>519598066Cavalery. I know it because I play videogames.
>>519598066There was no better way to do it at the time given the technology. Whatever way you think would be better, wasn't.
>>519598066Wait till you learn about line of battle
>>519598388certainly they used cover when they couldrifles often fought different from muskets until some time after ~1800 too, fast firing volume vs. slow precision fire and its respective tactics
>>519599050that'd be a retarded positioning, though. If the enemy misses one ship by a hair they hit the next one easily. you'd want atleast a dozen few ft between the battleships
>>519598066Niggers don't understand what a smoothbore musket is.
>>519599256I don't think you understand the cannons of the time.You had to get pretty close and fire broadside, This is just a picture and a bit stylised but that's how it was done back then.
Get a load of this guy
if you play the total war games it genuinely helps you understand why massed fire was actually the best possible strategy
>>519599256at some distance it wasn't much of a problem to hit except by how much you can turn a cannon either horizontally or verticallyso yea they sometimes drove really quite close to each other to try and get more cannons on target broadside, with more distance the other ships would already be unable to turn their cannons horizontally enough and fire
>>519598066Whites always win their wars. Unless they're American or German.
>>519598066Its like the stand offs in western movies, shit that never happened, invented by hollywood jews. Sort of like the medieval battles in movies where they fight for days when in reality hardly anyone can move after 10m.
>>519598066Meanwhile niggers ate each other, yikes.
>>519599760what? even in roman times battles often lasted hours, and not just the end of sieges of course... also battles in the open fields
>>519598066Bitch, I know you ain't talking shit about colonial era warfare among whites. They conquered your continent and jews sold your black-asses into slavery.
>>519599425>>519599606That's interesting to think about how much has changed. I was told splintering the other crew to death was the main goal over sinking the other boat and this would lead
>>519598066I mean it worked though. Until they met some real killers in North America, then they had to learn and adapt.
>>519598892Bunch up and form lines vs cavalry, spread out vs cannons. Not really sure what you're supposed to do when being charged by horses with cannons though.
kind of, the differences/effectiveness between shot and shock was highly and widely debated.
>>519599962>I was told splintering the other crew to deathThat was the main cause of severe injury/death during these cannon battles.I looked into Fort Boyard recently.This was a French Fort built into the sea to protect an area that couldn't be defended against British attacks as the cannons could not cover the gap from two islands. By the time the Fort was built, Cannon technology rapidly improved and the Fort which cost a fortune and many years to build was never used as the cannons could now reach the British invaders from the islands.
>>519598126>>519598388There really were massed shooting matches with huge formations out in the open, that absolutely happened regularly.It is ALSO the case that when men had the opportunity to use, or create, cover, they did use it.All armies utilized loose order skirmishers or sharpshooters to some extent, some of the time, and different armies had different proportions of them etc etc. Some deployed skirmishers in smaller or larger groups, some with rifles, some with short carbines, some with what the regulars had, etc. Loose formations could not inflict sufficient shock on charging cavalry OR infantry to stop their advance, and while they could shoot from prone or from low cover, they also received a hundred times the incoming fire if confronted with line infantry with no backup. Things like spreading out, taking cover, firing from kneeling or prone, these were attempted when commanders thought them practical measures, but masses of men standing and shooting were still the norm for field engagements.
>>519600184>Until they met some real killers in North AmericaYou have to remember that Britain not only fought against British colonists in America but also 3 other nations that helped American colonists too.Also bear in mind that the British were also fighting France and Spain on their doorstep at the same time . . . .so the 'War of Independence' isn't quite the win you thought it was.
>>519600184Skirmish tactics were nothing new, they're just infinitely more useful when you're fighting a defensive engagement or civilian ambush because you have the luxury of fighting from a position of your choosing.The Americans still fought linearly in open fields.
>>519598066Now they just tell on each other then go back home and jerk off to the memory of fucking over their own. Then in the next breath "muh white people this or muh white people that",only mins after knifing one of their own in the back with a smile. Gets rather convoluted, don't you think?
>>519599425You'd occasionally see ships take pot shots at extreme range, even a mile or more, though penetration drops off dramatically.
>>519599962yes though there were a range of options, some also had to make the attempt to cripple the enemy's maneuverability (sails, rudder, a hole in the hull that might tilt or slow the enemy) or set it on fire or actually try and hit the powder stores or w/ebut in relatively to very close up broadside combat it probably was just to shred the enemy gun crews as much as possible so the return fire diminishes
>>519600451Lmao yes it is, you would never accept those kind of paltry excuses from another.
>>519600676>yes it isIt was the birth of your nation so you have every right to champion it but in British History, it was just another Tuesday and no big loss. We had far more dangers closer to home to worry about. I'm not trying to be funny but that is they way it was.
>>519600304that does remind me of french tanks during ww2, heavy firepower with autoloaders and heavy armor slowing them down, but deemed inneffective after HEAT rounds were introduced
>>519598066whites follow the rules even if it means our certain death. that's why white civilization took over you free spirited niggers.
>>519600917>no big loss.If bongs would have just given us the right to vote on our own taxation like good little pay piggies
>>519598546>Sedgwick strode around in the open and was quoted as saying, "What? Men dodging this way for single bullets? What will you do when they open fire along the whole line?" Although ashamed, his men continued to flinch and he said, "Why are you dodging like this? They couldn't hit an elephant at this distance."[7] ... He was shot by a Whitworth rifle bullet moments later under the left eye
Early modern european warfare is my brand of tism, the amount of retarded faggotry that is spewed about the period makes me hate jews even more
>>519600451I was referring to the chugs, they were masters at guerilla warfare. It was more than just skirmish tactics that they used, they’re documented to have commonly lured their enemies into ambushes by taunting them. They’d deceive settlers into trading with them only to kill them, I think this is where the term “Indian giver” came from. Their raiding parties were the original task force units, stalking their enemies and swiftly attacking at sunrise. I don’t think any of isn’t surprising considering they were constantly at war with each other, it’s only natural they would develop such tactics.
>>519600676America has always been highly contested
>>519598388The idea was to get into range and blast a quick succession of volleys at the enemy until they break. Entrenched enemies were hit with cannon fire and flanked.Battles were forced because armies have limited supplies.
>>519598066Sit down, brownoid
>>519601175I wonder how history would have changed if he was successful in bolstering his men to charge enemy fire
>>519601252>Their raiding parties were the original task force unitsHate to burst your bubble anon but these tactics are not unique, they have been used against invaders since time began.
>>519599435This is proof that blacks aren't orcs.Orcs would've pushed through the gunfire and the dead to slaughter them filthy pinkskin tarks.
>>519600566i need to reeadup more on naval combat, it's pretty damn cool
>>519601457Then it must have been lost knowledge. Because those tactics historically are associated with chugs
>>519601602>Then it must have been lost knowledge.Your knowledge perhaps.The Romans encountered it in Britain 55BC.They had to try again later in 47AD and it took 40 years to control what is called England. The Picts north of the border still used these techniques but as what is called modern day Scotland had nothing to offer, the Romans just walled it off and didn't bother. It's nothing new anon. And it's certainly not some 'New' American invention.
>>519601249do you have any recomendatings for documentaries covering this time period?
People who don't understand the pike-and-shot era of warfare will never get it, and therefore, they will never adopt firearms in the first place.
>>519598066Those guns weren't totally accurate and it was possible to stand in front of them and not get hit.
>>519600566>in relatively to very close up broadside combat it probably was just to shred the enemy gun crewsit really depends, innityou may want to use round shot to blow holes in the waterline of the enemy ship, bombs to try to kill some of the gunners (they might kill some of your own too, ofc), chain to wreck her sails/masts/rigging, or just clear the decks with grapeshot in preparation for boardingthe most advantageous scenario would have been to "rake" the enemy ship from astern with a full broadside, which was half the point of trying to "cross the T" in fleet battles
>>519602514>People who don't understand the pike-and-shot era of warfare will never get itI live about 10 miles away from the last battle fought on English soil, so please tell me more?
Wasn‘t my joke funny? :( i should habe worded it differently … something like: The real nightmare of nonwhites, standing in line. Something like that. But i was barely awake at that point.
>>519601460Nah, 800 anglo dorfs against 5000 orcs with chariot support and the dorfs still win
>>519599256Who are you to judge it, Mister Armchair Admiral?
>>519598066Obviously their techniques worked if they conquered 25% of global land mass.
>>519598066Blacks couldn't invent the wheel.Blacks died 10,000:50 at Rorke's Drift.Blacks can't aim and act like monkeys with the AKs Whites have given them.
>>519598066They didn't actually and also shit thread
>>519598066basically this is what we did when we had no machine guns and everyone had to shoot the gun once themselves to make it workwhen you were walking along and suddenly you saw a hundred people in a line all pointing guns at you it's like seeing a machine gun pointing at you, the bullets are going to come fast
>>519599256They had at least one ship lenght between each other. They needed space to manoeuver without crashing each other, but still stick close so the ennemy cannot exploit a gap. But artistic representations don't really show very well the distance between ships.
>>519600451You mean we didnt fight king George so our gay black slaves would be free from his NAZI opression and have the right to change genders?
>>519598066The shitskins trembled in fear and kissed the ground when they saw a White man. It's really kind of funny when you think about it.
>>519600451>'War of Independence' isn't quite the win you thought it was.We were taught that the French navy won the decisive victory in that war.
>>519598066That was a movie. They tend to shoot in a group yes but it less like in the movies and games. However European soldiers rarely could aim well hints why they group up and shoot like they did to make it harder to push. American soldier tend to be hunters and self trained in with their rifles so they could aim better than a soldier who only started shooting after joining.
>>519601175Tbf that was a one in a million shot
>>519598066Homie you try to give orders to a bunch of people who aren't in formation. Also, standing together is the easiest way to stop a guy on a horse from killing you
>>519600508Yes and until that sort behavior is corrected among whites we will continue to be taken over
>>519598066Stupid niggers cant understand strategy. There's countless reasons why they fight like that im tired of writing out essays for mongoloids who can't be motivated to get off your ass and do some very simple Google searches. Yes they fight in lines for the most partYes it was the most effective way at managing and controlling your army on and off the battlefield.Yes they also had smaller units that would train and fight in skirmish formation (ducking, spreading out, taking cover)It's self evident that this was, at the time and at that technology, the best way to fight and win battles, it was used to conquer the planetIt was also kino af, which is also partly why they did it. Seeing an unstoppable red wave march towards you bayonets charged, not stopping or slowing for any cannon or musketball, stepping together with fife and drum playing British Grenediers would make you shit your pants and run, literally
>>519599435>it thinks it can fightLOLOLOLOLOL
>>519601322>>519599435>prime British army loses to JamaicansYou whites can’t fight .
>>519598066UK conquered the world with line infantry, btw. All nigger and brown savages were utterly annihilated by this tactic.
>>519613486>conquered the world Lmfao you got your shit kicked in by maroons. We annihilated the British army
>>519598066blacks wait in line to eat each otherwe are not the same
>>519613652Nigger you got enslaved and raped for a hundred years
>>519613802>it doesn’t know what a maroon isMaroons drank out of your skulls retard. We never endured slavery.
>>519598388Irregulars did.There were no NCOs, no radios, no small unit commanders or leadership. Units fought as a company, with a single company commander issuing orders by trumpet and drumbeat (because their voice was inaudible over the sounds of battle)Coordination was key to success so units needed to stay together, in formation, within sight of their standard-bearer and within earshot of the trumpet and drum. They very much walked in lines over open fields and stood their eating fire while reloading their muskets. You didn't take cover unless the whole company took cover. The development of the platoon and small unit leadership revolutionized gunpowder warfare but it wasn't until the end of the first world war when telephone and rasio were reaching maturity that true squad-level small unit tactics become viable at scale, resulting in both sides suddenly easily breaking through the other's defenses and the war quickly ending.Irregular troops didn't do this because they weren't actually organized into strict units or bound by strict leadership. They had the autonomy to spread out, take cover, perform ambushes and so on. This freedom is what made US resistance so effective in the Revolution, and what made Spanish guerrillas so effective against Napoleon's armies. They also deserted by the thousands, because there was no quartermaster around to catch and punish cowards.
>>519613950That's because island niggers are irrelevant. Peurto Rico managed to fight off constant Spanish invasions for like two hundred years but no one talks about them because no one cares.
>>519614376You’re so relevant you’re getting raped by the entire planet right now. The only thing relevant about you is no one likes you lmao
>>519613950Maroon, quadroon, mulignan, whatever, you're all niggers, you're all slaves. Go back to Africa.
those are the same people that effortlessly took over the world with that exact tactic though 150 british soldiers defeated 4000 zulus using that exact same move
>>519614493Maroons drank your blood, stop talking
>>519598066Not only were they so instilled with discipline they’d match in orderly formation into the face of death, the most perilous assignments and vanguards were coveted and almost always awarded to units that volunteered for them. A coin flip chance of death rewarding glory and perhaps more pay was an easy yes for many of the time. Disease, starvation, and exposure were also often bigger killers than combat when all movements were by foot; supply lines rarely held to an adequate level.
>>519598066now we're going to kill you
>>519616885All because you losers were too retarded to stay home with your wife and plant some seeeds lmao
>>519617206I’ve no doubt that made sense in your nigger brain.
>>519617206you're brown and not even human I'm going to wipe out your entire dysgenic waste of a family, you fucking brown kike
>>519598066Brandon Fisichella would have some words for you.
>>519614254>changes the face of warfare
>>519598892That's what I was gonna say... Those close formations were necessary to repel cavalry charges.. Loose formation got trampled by cavalry formations of thousand of war horses.
>>519598066How many of those crooked teeth child fuckers took to break India beyond repair?
>>519619600India has always been broke beyond repair, as it is full of indians, they just tried to make it slightly less shitty for a while before realizing the futility of it all.
