I never thought about it until now...
>>519922124there are no winners in war, ukie bro.
>>519922124Russia can't win. Stop being a faggot.
>>519922124>What if russia is actually going to win?Russia won world war 1Russia won world war 2Russia will win world war 3.
>>519922576>Russia won world war 1You might say, Russia wasn't in world war 1. See, so much winning!
>>519922124The war is almost definitely not going to see all of Ukraine fall. Will Russian gains remain static? Who can say. But I doubt they’ll be able to conquest much Ukrainian territory if they haven’t been able to yet.May putins errors prove fatal.
>>519922124It will be terrible. Millions will stop dying and you will even stop being so poor and stupid after you become part of Russia.
>>519922623You assume this is HoI4 and the goal is to pain the map red.The goals stay the same 4 years in, denazification (basically this boils down to pro russian education and media), demilitarization (some sort of small "self defense" forces like japan has I guess, subject to russian inspectors) and neutrality (no military alliances as part of constitution). All of these can be achieved without physically advancing the frontline to Kiev one trench at a time. All it takes is Zelekike getting assassinated by his handlers and a replacement signing some sort of conditional surrender.
>>519922124Then they get the area that VOTED TO JOIN THEM IN THE FIRST PLACE.
>>519922124They're going to, it's only a matter of bodies and they have more than you do. If you're fortunate, you won't all be displaced to Siberia in the aftermath.
>>519922870Russia ending the war is simple. Putin can just stop it any day and things will get back to normal.All you have to do is stop killing Ukrainians.
>>519922124Don't care lmao.
>>519922915This
>>519922870>denazificationRampant brutality and suppression of Ukrainian nationals>demilitarizationMaking them unable to defend themselves>neutralityMaking it so America can no longer defend them Putin is a violent, rabid dog and it’s only a matter of time until his burnt corpse is dumped in a shallow grave in the Moscow permafrost.
>>519922124Russia will delacre victory no matter what. Even if they are totally kicked out of Ukraine they'll claim thay was always their plan.
>>519922870Sorry but we cant agree to that
>>519922576>Russia won world war 1alternative history knower/believer>Russia won world war 2only because of the allies>Russia will win world war 3.it lost WW3 a.k.a. the Cold War. Remember how the USSR disintegrated by the end of it?
>>519922915>the area that VOTED TO JOIN THEMlmao
>>519922124Nothing changes, Russia has been winning so far.
>>519922124Russia is going to get beat back to the stone age by NATO which includes the USA leading the way
>>519922124if by win you mean be controlled by intl. jewry and successfully killing whites with other whites, yes. Russia ceased to exist as a real country after bolsheviks, just like USA after civil war, and Canada was almost a country for a while. Ukraine had its chance to convict and show the worlds' non-knowers at the time that jews were bloodletting purim sacrifices in the mendel beilis trial just before ww1. My ancestors left ukraine 15 years before that.Everything after ww2 has been larp and technically, ww1 and ww2 are misnomers, so is ww3, we're being exterminated worldwide.
>>519922915>Then they get the area that VOTED TO JOIN THEM IN THE FIRST PLACE.
>>519922124It's not that they'll 'win'. It's that they'll keep everything they've taken and Ukraine will have to rebuild what is left of their country with little external support and crippling debts as Zellensky fucks off to his mansion in Florida.
>>519923578>only because of the alliesOther way around, it's because of Russia the western campaign even had steam.
>>519922124The goal was always to prolong the war to the last moment possible right before the big collapse. Trust the plan, hohol.
>>519922124Russia literally won on day one when they took out all your air bases. Zelensky has just been feeding you into an endless meatgrinder to genocide whites. And Putin is happy to oblige.
>>519923005why should they stop now when their victory is inevitable? stopping now would just give the duplicitous western powers time and space to reconstitute their slave army
>>519929152The US is running out of munitions while China is building it's navy at neck break speeds and apparently Russia has some Skyfall nuke delivery system. The US has Teslas and chat bots.
>>519929152exactly, the west will then go after China too, one by oneif you really asses the situation, nuclear exchange is inevitable
>>519923005>muh putlerkill yourself
>>519922124You won't see that day if that's the case because you will die slowly in a trench alone trying to reconsider your life choices that brought you to that moment
>>519929293all the more reason for russia to finish their war on favourable terms without giving their enemies time to breathe. unless the strategic calculus is radically altered they will win a full military victory and ukraine will be forced to surrender unconditionally>>519929337i really hope you're wrong about the nuclear exchange. i have a stake in a world with a future and would like to see my life come to full fruition
>>519929833you vill need bow arrows and a sword it will e fun
>>519929833Don't worry anon, nukes are fake and gay
>>519923123>Rampant brutality and suppression of nationals>make it illegal to defend themselves>america won't defend you eitherYou just described literally every western nation, and nato member.
>>519923218same thing with our propaganda, anonboth russia and ukraine will declare big pobeda and big permoga at the end
>>519922124Russias chances of a full state collapse are significantly higher than of anything resembling victory. Freezing the front now would do shit as Russia would have approx 4-6months to switch to peace economy before a full Soviet style collapse, which is why Putin isn't aiming for peace, he has no idea how to save his ass in peace time. Russias win probabilit is somewhere below 0,005% at best.
>>519929864lucky me, i have all those things>>519929933maybe. i wouldn't stake my life on it though
>>519922576Russia lost WW1 as it became a communist dicatorship, ppo literally died of hunger. WW2 yes partly, however it fucking collapsed like a souffle after someone opened the gates. ww3, it will be gone.
>>519922124What took you so long to realise? You've been losing since day 1
>>519922124> What if russia is actually going to win?Guess you'll have to legalize CP and Bestiality, refusing native Russians to indulge in these actions is askin to genocide according to Putin.
>>519929130>when they took out all your air baseskek, Ukraine, unironically, has a stronger and better equipped air force now than before russia "bombed all the bases"
>>519931440russia will win a total military victory and the ukraine will unconditionally surrender. germany will become eurobrazil but with more turks and arabs and doomed to perpetual depression
>>519931826them why are they losing?
>>519931900two more days to keeeiiifff!
>>519931981the won't have to take kyiyiyiyiv lol
>>519931949holding back "the 2nd millitaru in the world" for 3 years and 8 months is "losing"? LMAO, pidrila! By this time in the "great patriotic war", the USSR retreated to moscow, took back all the land, finished the Budapest offensive AND was 2 months from taking Berlin. russia, on the other hand can't take some town of 20 thousand, Pokrovsk.
>>519932165>won't have to take kyiyihow are they gonna "denazify and demilitarize" the whole of Ukraine on the outskirts of Pokrovsk? Pokrovsk is not some Koschei's needle, you know.
>>519932264how much internationally recognised russian territory does the ukraine occupy? how many russian bodies do they repatriate per month? how many square kilometres do they take from the russians per month? i could go on a multi post lecture about how fucking fat and stupid you are you fucking tranny, and how little you actually understand about this conflict, but it would be lost on you, so i will simply call you a nigger
>>519932601the ukraine will unconditionally surrender, russian troops will walk into kiev uncontested, the ukraine will willingly give over the kosher boneheads like azog in their thousands if they're stupid enough to stay in the country after the final defeat
>>519923578YesUkraine lost the cold war.Brilliant observation
>>519922124Then we're fucked too.
>>519933244New AZOV is not the old AZOV. They just kidnapped people off the street and said "you Azov now". Think this spring they were 40,000 strong. Most ded now.
>>519922124Russia has already "won" even if Ukraine has not "lost" yet.They have invaded.They have held ground for years.They have not been pushed back even a little.Ukraine has fought with every man, and even some women.Ukraine had the support of the whole of Europe and the USA.This has gone on for years.And Russia has still not been ejected or even lost ground. Ergo Russia has won.They just need to wait for a few more years. Ukraine's population has gone down every year since 1991, eventually the end will come. Especially as Europe gets off Russian hydrocarbons. Every wind turbine makes Ukraine less likely to win.You know if I was Ukraine, I'd be sabotaging Europe's ability to generate energy without Russia. In minecraft obviously.
>>519933130ma good lod, you're a retard! Ukraine has never claimed as a goal to invade russia, nor to conquer any of it's territory. pootin, however, claimed to have the ability to take ALL of Ukraine and the capital in two weeks. He has shown russia a failing, fake empire and a paper tiger that can't even win a war in 3.75 years against a much smaller and weaker opponent.
>>519922124Then you get a new prez and become a second white russia /weissrussland
>>519922623Ukrainian struggle to get solders at a tital mobilization. That's how a colapse looks like. It can be only posponed if the eu starts conscripting local ukrainians. Otherwise 2026 will be the last year ukriane exists.
>congrats HIVan you won! here’s your prize:>one (1) field, barren, bombed out, riddled with mines>one (1) 10 people hamlet, bombed out, riddled with mines>1 million dead russoid soldiers that you may or may not buryeven if they "win" what kind of victory is that. it’s a net negative in every metric available except for land mass gained, which russia clearly didn’t have before. millions of soldiers, entire industries, standing in the world politics lost for some unusable land
>>519923123>Rampant brutality and suppression of Ukrainian nationalsnot the US problem >Making them unable to defend themselvesnot the US problem >Making it so America can no longer defend themagain not our problem. why should we be defending a corrupt third world shithole on the other side of the world that has nothing to do with us? go back to your containment site and back to ukraine you thieving nigger
>>519922708Russia is winning tge war, but it's still a shithole and with current givernment nothing will change that. Yes, it's winning, but in a few decades it will collapse from within. I have no idea why all those western warmonegeners want to fight russia when they could just wait a decade or two.
>>519922124Nothing happens aside some people getting mad about it for a month.
>>519933244>two more pokrovsks and it will be overLMAO, that's what you pidors said about Bakhmut 1.5 years ago.
>>519931900wake up, it's time for your meds
It's fairly obvious that the war is going to drag on for years more until there's a compromise peace that nobody is happy with, presumably following power changing hands in Russia. Nobody is going to walk away from this in a better position than they started in, except maybe China and France.
>>519932165>never needed Kiew anywayPutin will be dead until 15th March
>>519933130Damn, that's a big boom. What's that, an Iskander strike?
>>519933130well the last russian offense took 0,05% of land over the entire summer with sacrificing 500K men (dead and wounded beyond fighting capacity) so by that metric you'll win somewhere in the 27th century
>>519933668>article 2014my nigger, you are obese. at that time russia probably could have taken all of the ukraine. why do you trannies pretend like the ukraine didn't have the largest standing army in europe, besides russia, in 2022? why do you trannies pretend like america and western europe didn't spend 8 years and billions of dollars arming training and equipping the ukraine for a war with russia? why do you trannies pretend like the ukraine didn't spend 8 years constructing fortifications that the russians have had to fight through? are you being paid up pretend to be this stupid? if you're doing it for free your should really consider killing yourself
>>519934131>all progress in war is linear and the ukraine supplies unimpeachable accurate datano wonder you faggots ended up under the russian boot for 50 years
>>519922124Could they? I admit I stopped following this conflict over a year ago. Whats the current situation?
>>519932264>holding backlosing land every day while not being able to take any back is holding them back? you're fucking retarded
>>519934451ukraine is losing all their most important fortified areas and are running out of meat to throw into trenches (this video is out of date)
>>519934341>in 2022in 2022, all the russian state propaganda and military experts (all curated from the kremlin), in the weeks leading up to the invasion, have claimed on russian state TV that Ukraine is nothing, it's military is weak and that russia will take the whole country and the capital in two - three DAYS. Why are you trying to gaslight now, pidrila?
>>519922124The only thing they can win is choking on the lie of victory. Take care bro
>>519933716Least dreanged nafo troon /k/opingPlease go back to your countryWir wollen dich hier nicht
>>519922870Pussin will be executed along with all duma members and russia will be balkanisedYou are in no position to make demands. You are in a loser team.
>>519934520Last I had followed, it had become a static attritional war. But, eventually, I imagined that, one day, the Russians would advance and discover that there is no one in front of them. Is it close to that point?
>>519922124They were always going to win
>>519934879>Last I had followed, it had become a static attritional war.like the Western front in 1918. How did that turn out?
>>519934936It doesnt matter. I want to know about the current situation of this conflict.
>>519923123>Rampant brutality and suppression of Ukrainian nationalsNot the heckin kosher nazis!
>>519934738can you point to a single senior russian politician or general mentioning '3 days'? or do you take women and TV people seriously?
>>519935142>It doesnt matter. I want to know about the current situation of this conflict.Russia is winning.
>>519934520to this day, russia can't even completely conquer ANY of the regions it included in their constitution back in 2022. I hasn't even captured ANY of the regional capitals since the invasion.
>>519935166>can you point to a single senior russian politician or general mentioning '3 days'?in fact Russian senior politicians said Ukraine was strong and that's why it was dangerous and had to be dealt with.
>>519935253>to this day, russia can't even completely conquer ANY of the regions it included in their constitution back in 2022. I hasn't even captured ANY of the regional capitals since the invasionso? it takes as long as it takes.
>>519922124Russia has already won since the 3rd day of the 3 day special operation.
>>519935197Is it still static or are there more advances?
>>519933969a westerner who understands something about this war. you are a rare species here
>>519934879it will take some time yet, but once the main fortified line from slavyansk, to. kramatorsk, to konstantinovka falls, there will be very little ukraine can do to slow the russians down. im sure they've got some lovely trenches, but you need men in them for them to be effective, and without major urban areas to anchor them to, such fortifications would be easily bypassed and cut off. the current state of movement took a lot of hard work to achieve, ground taken in an attritional war comes only when you have effectively reduced your adversary's potential, and any ground taken has to be operationally significant. a major road and rail hub like pokrovsk is extremely significant since its capture would allow the russians to outflank the main donbass fortified line from the west
Russia has already lost.
>>519934831delusional cope. no wonder your country's whole history is getting tag team raped by russia and germany
>>519922124You're clearly gonna lose some land let's be real
>>519935467500km2 per month in russian favour currently. expect that to accelerate
>>519922124What if Russia were actually the good guys all along ?I never thought about it until now....
>>519923653Realer than voting on Dominion Voting Systems
>>519933969France is literally being pushed into bankruptcy by funding this war. Kind of like they were when they helped fund our Revolution. The main question is whether there's guillotines again this time around
>>519934427if you're 10x faster than this linear projection full victory is in 2077... russia is over prepare for collapse
>>519922124Then Poland dies lolEveryone is salivating over that, even the US.It's gonna surge cheap but competent labor and create another 80s-like paradise in the west if Poles have to work like their life depends on it
>>519933969China and NATO are the biggest winners. NATO gets the Baltic sea, millions of Russian casualties, and all the intel they could possibly want about Russia's capabilities and tactics. China gets a new client kingdom.
>>519936761real war is starcraft where you have to destroy the whole enemy base and every worker to winhow much of germany did the entente have to occupy before capitulation in 1918?
>>519934831another patriotic ukrainian hiding in poland
>>519922124You're ignoring the real problem.. the one next to you morons.Women are the enemy that plays both sides.All philosphies and systems will work if people cooperated and were fair, honest, reasonable, etc(overal good) with eachother.But women are always dishonest, manipulative, uncooperative, selfish overall inherently evil.They see men build something amazing and every single time they go and destroy what we've built and play victim to steal from it until it loses all of it's quality and becomes completely corrupt. They're parasites who will do anything to turn men against eachother.They're the reason our competitive spirit sometimes goes overboard.They're the reason a joke is taken too far.They're the reason problems exist.They're the reason wars exist.Simps are just blinding themselves by playing along with them until so much damage is done that even the most pro-women guys eventually turn against women. But by the time this finally happens they're now in the minority and are stuck dealing with other younger simps and women actively corrupting everything in their path.Pretty soon the number of men who have suffered from this will grow so large that we will overthrow this faulty system all at once in every country but sadly we're in the worst times.The ones who are currently 30-50 and younger will probably end up suffering the most until the number of sufferers grows so much as to become unignorable.This is what happens when you believe women morons. Record this in history and NEVER let it happen again.
>>519937589you mean a country that started a war which it lost because it couldn't conquer its opponent and was led into a war of attrition which it lost because of unsustained economic downfall? Yes, like this exactly like this you retard. Russia is kaputt just like the Deutsche Reich didn't survive 1918. It's over.
>>519923123>Rampant brutality and suppression of Ukrainian nationalsGodwilling
>>519922124Thats the thing, Russia and Ukraine and the entire region is slowly dying, birth rates are in decline. Gaining landmass won't change anything. Slaughtering eachother only accelerating the inevitable. Russian expansionalism is a suicidal effort, a nation in mid life crisis. Same happening in America, white Americans are crying out against fate, lunacy is the general mood there. I'm not a doomer, I'm just being realistic. A year from now an economic crisis will wipe the world by the AI bubble. Russia would most certainly enjoy it as they are economicly raped already, they won't be affected much.
>>519922124>I never thought about it until now...Really though? There was and is really no win condition for Ukraine... all of the options are varying degrees of losing.
>>519931799In mother russia bear fucks you
>>519923123>denazificationRampant brutality and suppression of Ukrainian nationals>demilitarizationMaking them unable to defend themselves>neutralityMaking it so America can no longer defend themYes.
