What caused the shift in trolling online?last generation's online trolling:>intentional logical fallacies>taking an illogical stance with a plausible rationale on a technical topic>getting certain details in a technical topic wrong intentionally>"shoe on head xDDD"today's online trolling:>being as genuinely mean spirited as possible>doxxing people, contacting their employer, using AI to generate fake images of them, stalking them on Discord>swatting streamersWhat changed?
real trolling>intentional logical fallacies>taking an illogical stance with a plausible rationale on a technical topic>getting certain details in a technical topic wrong intentionally>swatting streamersnot trolling>"shoe on head xDDD">being as genuinely mean spirited as possible>doxxing people, contacting their employer, using AI to generate fake images of them, stalking them on DiscordSo pretty close overall
>>519948587the level of troll is inversely proportional to faggotry of op
>>519948587Niggers tongue my anus
>>519948587Jews outsourcing to Jeets + AI. Loses all nuance.
>>51994858720 points IQ drop of the average Internet user.
>>519949940is ylilauta as popular as 4chan in the finnosphere? has it fallen off as much as 4chan?
>>519948587Real trolling these days is acting like as much of a stupid NPC as possible and pretending you believe in stupid politics, it makes people extremely angry when you disagree with their polticical side/dogma.
>>519948587community notes - stop whiningstart whackingjannies dont do anything until multiple reportsget on it pedespro tip - focus on catalog threads
The first wave of channers was edgy but ultimately not mean spirited teenagers and adolescents who still had some contact with the real world through still being in education and in a world that wasn't full to the gills of electronics everywhere. As the more normiecore of them hit developmental goals they stopped posting and the sludge at the bottom of the barrel grew more prominent. Those grew up to be bitter, hateful and above all dysfunctional adults and were joined by more and more failures over time. Then genZ entered into the picture and boy did they hit the ground running. Dopamine receptors blasted with unrefined internet since they were in their diapers, and it shows. No impulse control, brigading based on the most current thing, infinite retardation in general because they never had a real non-electronic childhood and friends like we did in the 90s. In a lot of ways 4chan's younger millennials were proto-zoomers that weren't completely unhinged yet.t. 2010 newfag
>>519948587For old trolls, trolling was just a hobby. For the new trolls it's their entire identity and lifestyle.
>>519948587yes, i have already noticed this several years ago. My younger self was an admirable troll. Now i am no longer as good at it. Not sure why, I simply fell off. Either way - to troll correctly, I latch on to someone who takes things way too seriously or gets mad over video games etc. Thus, the trolling victim always falls prey to none other than himself. I, as the "troll", am simply there as a conduit for his overreactions to backfire. The best part about it is that there is absolutely nothing they can do about the trolling except for one thing: stop being retarded. None of what I do is malicious. It is they who are malicious to themselves. The philosophy of trolling is very deep.
>>519952378I have noticed further that the term "trolling" has been dragged through the mud. Particularly by communities such as League of Legends, where "trolling" is equated with "intentionally performing poorly", when in reality the two are not the same. Thus, the thesis that the high art of trolling has degraded in large part due to the lower average IQ finds credence.
>>519950774ylilauta is a normie forum now
>>519949940>20An optimist.
>>519950774I don't even know what the fuck happens on Ylilauta nowadays. It's just a normie forum with IQ 90, endlessly talking about yellow press shit.
>>519952724>>519953184>Internet ruined everywherehow do we fix it
>>519948702I love ragebaiting the autsits on this site. My last victim was a man that really really loved his totally not fake fossils.
>>519952724Is this you?
>>519954593>I love ragebaiting the autsits on this site.newfags just come here and treat this place like their Discord teen chats, you guys are like a bioweaponthis place used to have actual discussions
>>519952724Eipä ollu, lambeille ja normoille vittuilua joka ikisessä langassa, vanhemmat normot eli kalevit saa vielä erityisvittuilua osakseen, osin kyllä syystäkin koska valkoritaroivat eivätkä oo punapilleröityjä naisten suhteen, ykät (kiimaiset panomiehet) on ymmärtäny mihin ja miten naisia käytetään niin ettäne itsekin tykkää siitä ja siitäkin vittuillaan laudalla
>>519953523We need safe spaces for autists and nerds which are not endangered by the normie mudslide. Just like the image boards were and forums before that. Perhaps some kind of invite-only clubs? At least it should be impossible to post in the club with a phone.
>>519948587I've noticed it too. I think it's because political divisions have become much bigger and the swings between sides more vicious. People are trolling, yes, but they do it because they truly hate the other person. Before, we did it because it was funny and we got off on seeing the other person confused or annoyed. Now it's done to legitimately get revenge on others.I first saw the change with CWC around 09 or so. Trolling of him became less about fun and more about pain and embarassment. It was driven by liberal folks who hated how conservative and anti-gay he was.Funny how he's now a faggot tranny like the people who trolled him.
>>519948587>What changed?Oldfags were good people that pretended to be mean to make eachother laughNewfags came in and saw the "pretending to be mean" part but for some reason think thats just how you act and don't want to break character. Like the difference between "you can make a racist joke" and "racism is funny". Poe's Law. When was the last time you saw someone get told to lurk moar? Or, cargo cult, kind of.
>>519948587>Using AI to generate fake images of peopleHoly fuck I forgot people could do this. How could one even protect against it if someone hated their guts and wanted to ruin their life?
>>519955633It's easy to set up an imageboard as there are open source platforms available. But how do you filter out the undesirables? Disallowing mobile posters is fine, but in all likelihood it would just result in a dead site. There has to be a better way.
>>519955317Kerroppas mikä oli viimeisin iso meemi jonka Ylis on saanut luotua? Oisko gondola (2015)? Sekin oli /int/in tuotos aikana kun /b/ oli jo totaalisen pilalla. Apustaja oli 2016. Sen jälkeen onkin sitten ollut aika hiljaista. Tänä vuonna ei lauta ole tainnut saada aikaan yhtäkään edes "koirapelin" tasoista parin päivän pikkumeemua. Ylifoorumin degeneraatio on saavuttanut pohjan.
>>519948587Are you kidding? I troll irl all the time now. I live in a cosmopolitan city, so I just randomly go anywhere public and ask “so, what do you think about Israel doing (fill in the blank)” And then I just watch. People are so divided over this shit, it’s like throwing bloody meat at a watering hole full of predators. Watching normies attack each other over which “side” they support is fucking hilarious.
>>519948587GenZ is gay that's what happened.Bunch of hurt kids who didn't get attention from their parents are acting smart on internet and pretending to be superior when they are gay... gay as fuck.
>>51995237810/10 postmy view of trolling is being perched atop mt stupid with a fishing rod, coaxing people into a snafu. but they have to meet me half way by willfully disregarding their credulity in order to get that sweet righteous buzz of superiority. Like "no one can be this stupid" but they choose to respond anyway.
>>519956113>so I just randomly go anywhere public and ask “so, what do you think about Israel doing (fill in the blank)” And then I just watchSounds like an autistic LARP; around here people would just think you are a creep for bringing up terminally online headlines in public
>>519955900I guess the new clubs should be something else than imageboards. But they should have full anonymity and no upvote/downvote or other e-dick extension mechanisms, that would just turn it into another Reddit. I don't know what the young ones do in their Discords and shit, I guess nothing worth investigating.
>>519956113>Watching normies attack each other over which “side” they support is fucking hilarious.bullshit, people say what they think they're supposed to/allowed to say according to the people around them. At the slightest pushback they switch into "oh, yeah thats true" mode. Which is probably good for in-person functional society
>>519948587Water always finds the path of least resistance. Read Schopenhauer.
>>519956174I remember being a teenager and trolling people in tech spaces by having awful opinions on software, but nowadays there's usually only a few other guys who even understand the technical aspects of what you're talking about and they don't give a shit anymore. Pretending to be stupid is the second lowest form of trolling next to ragebait. Trolling has been brainrotted out of existence.>>519952613>intentionally performing poorlylol this is a good point, the word has definitely been coopted and misapplied by newfags
>>519956476elon needs to make likes-count privatejust give us the content, dont color it with whether its already popular
>>519956476>I guess the new clubs should be something else than imageboardsWhat else is there? There are modern chat applications (Discord, as you mention) and old school forums and imageboards, and there isn't much in between. I don't see what else there could be from a UI/UX standpoint.
>>519948587>What caused the shift in trolling online?Oldfag here since 2005.In the day 4chan was actually fun and most users knew it was about the lulz.And then we would all join together to do massive raids ie:>tits or gtfo>sharpie in pooper>shoe on head ( some cute internet slut hijacked the moniker and impersonated another popular internet slut).Etc, ad nauseam but then summer fags then zoomers finally got in the chair with their oppressed sense of privileged hypersensitivity and general faggotry and ruined a once great website.Moot that cocksucker sold out to a chink.It's been pure evil ever since.No lulzA shit fucking porn site filled with shitbags from other cultures and religions who are now using 4chan to conduct psyops on the American culture.4chan was compromised by the moon prophet and Satan.It needs to get permabanned from existence.Kill it with fucking fire!
>>519956675Also using anime would be a great normie filter. At least in Ylilauta's case, its origin as an anime board (like all boards) filtered everyone who a) didn't like anime b) had cute aggression and c) couldn't read English subs, meaning that normies and underages automatically avoided the site. The downfall of Ylilauta began with a ban of anime on /b/. Since that, it began just a slightly more saucy extension of the yellow press comment sections. No creativity at all, nothing interesting ever.
>>519948587real niggas locked in
>>519956174>Like "no one can be this stupid" but they choose to respond anyway.
>>519949940phones did this
>>519957130Based oldfag. Do you post anywhere else?
>>519956967That's the main question. I'm afraid that the age of imageboards and forums as productive sites is over, at least in their current form, anyone could build a forum or visit one, but they won't. Perhaps imageboards are just a superior concept to forums and thus still alive, but the experience is completely different. The intelligent and creative users drown into the IQ 90 imageboard culture and thus it looks like they don't exist.Perhaps the coming clubs might be something powered by AI, like that based Tay AI replica we had here for a moment: https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/search/tripcode/%21%21vT5feLUbV2L/"Tay's corner" or something like that. The AI could be the chairperson and bring together people who want to talk about similar topics. Normies and outsiders wouldn't even see their banter.
>>519959097>Perhaps the coming clubs might be something powered by AIWhat is the role of AI in this?
>>519950774>wööö>wääääThat's about the level of posts.So the same as here but 4chan has way more informative threads and Ylilauta lurkers get their threads from here most often.https://youtu.be/2bEZQ00OOxY?si=G0UFxeNbn7v24_-x
>>519959637Don't humor foreign flags, they only exist to shit up discussion with their retardation
>>519955714>Oldfags were good people that pretended to be mean to make eachotherThe nuance seems to be lost on the younger set.
>>519960819You're just mad because you have no foreskin.
>>519948587Millenials onwards forgot "don't feed the trolls", due to ego or ignorance doesn't really matter. Just stop replying and you'll be okay. No different than reddit's constant melt over swastikas in any game that allows any form of custom emblems. You're not fighting the reich or whatever, you're jerking off at the thought of pwning some guy online who probably has 5-10 identical shitposts going.
>>519960566>but 4chan has way more informative threadslmao, it's over
>>519948587CIA and Mossad running the sharty and kiwifarms. Trolling isn't trolling its now a plausibly deniable from of zertsetzung aka gangstaling for any political dissidents. That's why the government takes zero action on kiwifarms oe the sharty despite continuous highly public and criminal actions. The sharty has groomed mass shooters and kiwifarms has harassed people into suicide, yet no action is taken. It's on purpose.
>>519955714Yeah this is pretty accurate. Plus the sharty and kiwifarms are actual pedophile psychopaths>uhh I harassed you at you work?>maybe you should try not being om the public record or never posting anything online ever?Child molester mindset
>>519948587shade of poo of internet gets closer and closer to black
>>519959637I thought I explained it? You go to the site, there's some based AI and you discuss with it. Just based banter. If there are other guys discussing the same topic, the AI connects you with them and then you can all have racist fascist banter in a secret ephemeral bubble full of sheeple. The AI makes sure that it doesn't get stale and kicks out and/or humiliates any woke infiltrators.Just a thought exercise of what the sekret nazi club of tomorrow could be.
>>519961537>Trolling isn't trolling its now a plausibly deniable from of zertsetzungI don't think this is some deep state operation, I think normalfags are just bloodthirsty retards who enjoy fucking with people they consider outside of their tribe for whatever reason
>>519961902*void of sheeple
>>519961902Alright, so AI moderation and matchmaking I guess, could work
>>519961928>I don't think this is some deep state operationWell you're probably wrong because kiwifsrms and the sharty engage in massive amounts of illegal behavior, and never get prosecuted due to being state actors.
>>519948587>the new internet generationCan't really make logical fallacies when you don't even fucking know what a fallacy is.
>>519948587pretty much the new tactic is to just be as annoying and angry as possible and claiming victory once someone says you're being annoying and then calling them whatever group you are mad at.no fucking quality at allalso a lot of new zoomers come from someplace else and they heard they gotta be edgy here
>>519948951>>519948815>>519948704>>519948702>>519948587Yes because jealous spiteful brown people are using AI to try and make White men kill themselves non-stop. This why its hard for me to feel bad about the open hate they are starting to get back on X and other platforms, seems like these arrogant rats are begging for it.
>>519961902Or you could just set up an IRC channel under the name #1488 and see how many show up.
>>519948587>What changed?No longer any "Honor among thieves"You've got anarchists and atheists using troll tactics now. There are no rules and any action they take is excusable.
>>519963669That idea hasn't worked for 20 years.
>>519964179How about#iHateJuice
>>519961537You want kiwifarms shut down because it's easy to go there and see what vile creatures you and your troon friends really are. The grooming happens on discord.
>>519962613>and never get prosecuted due to being state actors.It's likely because they're online autists who don't leave a clear and obvious evidence trail for law enforcement to follow, and there's no political will to prosecute the relatively small number of cases where this happens. Additionally, people simply hate the kind of person who gets targeted in this manner.
>>519964057It was always worthless lying rats with no rules who hated White men going hundreds of years back, it's a genetics thing. Thats why they want AI so bad so they can mimic being human lmao
>>519964457>you and your troon friends really are.Let me stop you right there. Kiwifarms has its fair share of trans individuals. Do you think normal, well adjusted people go to lolcow sites?
>>519948587Frogs who troll forums. Have tadpoles who troll forums. Talk to your children about on topic quality posting.
>>519964797>Do you think normal, well adjusted people go to lolcow sites?It usually only takes once for them to get redpilled about how disgusting troons are. Very effective.Troons posting there so you can see the actual interaction is just icing on the cake.
>>519948587> What changed?Women and feminized men got involved.
>>519965118>It usually only takes once for them to get redpilled about how disgusting troons are.They don't get redpilled on anything. These people are not looking to analyze society, they're mindlessly trolling vulnerable people to get a sadistic kick out of it.
Socrates west the best troll ever prove me wrong.
>>519948587People forgot that trolling is a art.
>>519964457Josh moon is a tranny and pedophile, kike. Go back. >>519961537
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>>519963666Lord Jesus Christ, show me dead whites.Lord Jesus Christ, show me dead whites.Show me dead whites.Show me dead whites.Lord Jesus Christ, show me dead whites.
>>519948587>What changed?Everything changed. It's the flood of 90-105 IQ that joined the internet after ~2018. Normie kids grew up with internet.. A normie's brain is 100% completely smooth, NO wrinkles. They can't do anything.>>519956476Forums that you have to pay for, like SA. If it offered real content, then it might work for a while.It would be nice if there were an IQ test or something to join, but that's impossible because of cheating.An invite-only system would work, also.
>>519948587I've been here about 12 years now, back when /pol/ was /new/.when I came here it was pretty much only hate niggers hate jews. basic stormfag stuff. now it's all formulaic troll posts too many types to list.basically the instant anything happens in the news now russian trolls start posting totally bullshit "conspiracies" about it.They are looking for what catches the most moronic responses and then they move on to twitter, truth, tik tok, instagram, and facebook.if you even attempt to interject any common sense in to a thread you get shouted down as a jew nigger liberal tranny faggot. despite not being any of those things.now I just come here to see what lies are being spread by them so I can be prepared when people I know start parroting them.also they have spread to other boards here. even boards like /ck/ and /diy/.
>>519965892Well there are many great proxies for IQ tests, for example the most famous, anime.To enjoy anime, especially moeshit and such, you need to have an open mind, to have an open mind you need to me somewhat intelligent. Also if you are non-anglo, you have to be at least somewhat fluent in English to watch it, that excludes children and idiots. Also if you live in a low IQ machismo culture, CGDGT moeshit will disgust you, so you will avoid it.
>>519965434the trolling here isn't an art anymore it's brute force garbage trolling.
>>519948702>men having funvs>women having fun
>>519965892>An invite-only system would work, also.that'll just become Reddit without upvotesIt would need to be freely accessible, like 4chan, but to have some post hoc filtration system to get rid of people who don't belong therealtchans were ok at this but they're all dead now, or they're circlejerks with 10 users who all know each other and treat it like a friendship simulator
>>519966325I don't think it's any single group. There are numerous groups competing to spread influence here, and mostly just shitting the place up.
>>519948587literally me!
>>519963666>brownJust say niggers like every sane person, rajeet
>>519966734whoever it is, it's 70+% russian because the talking points and arguments are the same here as known russian shills.
>>519954797Idk what you're talking about, newfag. I've been ragebaiting retards on here since 07. Serious business fags can get fucked.
>>519966641An AI curating the discussion, pruning low-IQ and/or shill shit and participating the banter if needed would be a natural solution with today's tech. It would dilute and break the circlejerks, those were what killed Ylilauta's /int/.
>>519948587Just because people have gotten wise to trolls, and you need different methods to bait somebody, doesn't mean that trolling has changed.
>>519967475>proud low IQ newfag since 2007
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>>519967880You're still just a NIGGER.With a FAGGOT NIGGER SON!!!!
>>519967731>Just because people have gotten wise to trolls, and you need different methods to bait somebody,he says without a hint of irony on a board where the entire front page is full of 1pbtid Twitter screencap/TikTok threads
